There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

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On 01/12/2023 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

It has been a massively popular brute.


--
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higher education positively fortifies it."

- Stephen Vizinczey

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56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

Raspberry Pi Ltd don't sell on Amazon, so any supply there is from
unauthorised resellers, aka scalpers.

https://rpilocator.com/?cat=PI5
shows who has stock in which regions.

Theo

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On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

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On 12/1/23 4:01 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 01/12/2023 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

It has been a massively popular brute.

Long wait.

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On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:

On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

It seems every Pi has a different power connector.

4B tripped me up with USB 'C' which is different from Zero and Pico.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.



--
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kind word alone.

Al Capone

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On 02/12/2023 11:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.

It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with numbers 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery Programmable Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.

Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.

IOW what we call here 'a right buggers muddle'

--
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kind word alone.

Al Capone

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.

It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones
labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with numbers 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery Programmable Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.

Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

Very often it's down to the USB cable you use, many/most are simply
not up to carrying the current (especially at start-up) that RPis
need. I have two Pi 4s and they are fairly fussy (not as fussy as a 5
of course) and they will run on 2.5 amp USB outlets but only with a
good, preferably short, USB cable.

Also, of course, a USB 1 or 2 outlet has a maximum specified current
output of only 500mA and even USB 3 is only supposed to be 900mA.
Many outlets can supply more but on the other hand USB sockets on
laptops and such are often only capable of the USB standard current
outputs.

--
Chris Green
·

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 11:40:56 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 02/12/2023 11:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.

IOW what we call here 'a right buggers muddle'

That pretty much sums it up - all things considered it's surprising
how often it gets the job done.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

    It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and >> wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones
labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with
numbers
1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery
Programmable
Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.

    Not all combinations are possible and fewer are permitted by the
standards but there is still plenty of room for diversity.

IOW what we call here 'a right buggers muddle'

I don't think USB mini was "unofficial", they were quite quickly
replaced by USB micro though, so it was the cheap cable that would
wear/break rather than the port on the expensive device.

A few weird and wonderful non-standard connectors did exist, typically
on cameras.

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On 02/12/2023 11:47, Chris Green wrote:

Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

Very often it's down to the USB cable you use, many/most are simply
not up to carrying the current (especially at start-up) that RPis
need. I have two Pi 4s and they are fairly fussy (not as fussy as a 5
of course) and they will run on 2.5 amp USB outlets but only with a
good, preferably short, USB cable.

Also, of course, a USB 1 or 2 outlet has a maximum specified current
output of only 500mA and even USB 3 is only supposed to be 900mA.
Many outlets can supply more but on the other hand USB sockets on
laptops and such are often only capable of the USB standard current
outputs.

I have 20 watt USB plugs, that is:

5V=3A
9V=2.2A
12V=1.67A

The trick being the USB standard expects higher power devices to boost
the voltage, that is how fast phone chargers work. However, the rPi5
expects 27W at 5.1V, not at a higher voltage.

The net result is that my rPi5 runs, but shuts down after a few minutes.
Loads of undervoltage errors. Strangely, Pi OS seems to stay up better
than Ubuntu, but I haven't checked that rigorously. It also runs hot,
which the Orange Pi 5 does not.

So I'm waiting for an official PSU.

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mm0fmf wrote:

Having just punted for a new phone I'm now having to switch to USB-C
cables. I've managed to acquire over 30 USB micro-B cables over the last
11 years.

I started moving to type-C devices in 2015, with a Nokia N1 tablet. All
my 'daily' devices (laptops, phones, mice, keyboards, dock, chargers)
are now type C.

I have a handful of 'specialised' devices that are still mini/micro
type-B but not worth junking just for the hell of it.

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On 02/12/2023 12:58, Andy Burns wrote:

A few weird and wonderful non-standard connectors did exist, typically
on cameras.

Yes. I have a Panasonic Lumix that has such a socket. At the time I
bought it, a cheap and nasty USB micro-B cable could be had for £1.00.
It would work but would not TX data fast nor pass a decent charging
current, but would work. Or for £2.99 you could buy a nice USB micro-B
that would charge at the full current (2A) and your data would fair fly
across.

Panasonic wanted £59.99 for the cable. Fuck 'em and the horse they rode
in on! They did provide a battery charging dock so the cable wasn't needed.

Having just punted for a new phone I'm now having to switch to USB-C
cables. I've managed to acquire over 30 USB micro-B cables over the last
11 years.

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:

On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

It seems every Pi has a different power connector.

4B tripped me up with USB 'C' which is different from Zero and Pico.

Being bare boards, I find the power connector problem easy to solve
for the Pis. For my Pi Zeros I snip a USB-A extension cable in half
and solder the wires up to the test pads under the Micro USB
connectors. Then I can just use USB plugpacks and devices directly,
with none of this connector nonsense. I cable-tie the cables to one
of the mounting holes on the PCB, which works well for strain
relief.

Still, now with USB-C they're introducing some intelligent cables
that electronically tell the host what their power capacity is,
thereby defying such attempts at simple DIY solutions. The future
looks bleak.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.

They seem to have stopped trying for compatibility in preference
for doing all things for all men. Give it twenty years and plumbers
will by carrying around USB Type-P adapter kits in order to fix a
leaky pipe. :)

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On 02/12/2023 16:17, Andy Burns wrote:

mm0fmf wrote:

Having just punted for a new phone I'm now having to switch to USB-C
cables. I've managed to acquire over 30 USB micro-B cables over the
last 11 years.

I started moving to type-C devices in 2015, with a Nokia N1 tablet. All
my 'daily' devices (laptops, phones, mice, keyboards, dock, chargers)
are now type C.

I have a handful of 'specialised' devices that are still mini/micro
type-B but not worth junking just for the hell of it.

I was surprised just how long it's been till I ended up with USB C on
anything. There's USB 3.0 A on this desktop, USB 3.0 A on my Linux
desktop, USB 3.0 A on my old laptop and USB 3.1 Gen1 A on my new laptop
with 1 USB C with Thunderbolt. I've plenty of USB disk caddies that have
USB 3.0 B or USB 3.0 micro B. But only 1 device with a C that arrived on Monday. It had a USB A to C in the box. I've not checked it does
anything other than charge the phone though!

That's the great thing with standards... so many to choose from !

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On 2023-12-02, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:

On 12/1/23 03:44, 56g.1173 wrote:

There are a couple of CASES that claim to fit
the Pi5 - mostly wi-fi blocking metal - but
no actual Pi5's yet.

If you do buy one, make sure you buy the official USB PSU.

It seems every Pi has a different power connector.

4B tripped me up with USB 'C' which is different from Zero and Pico.

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a
standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

None of this nonsense, with the Orange Pi 5, it runs on standard USB kit.

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.

Can anyone guess which XKCD cartoon this is? :-)

https://xkcd.com/927/

HTH

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@jacob21819.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

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On 3 Dec 2023 03:41:40 GMT, Robert Riches wrote:

Can anyone guess which XKCD cartoon this is? :-)

https://xkcd.com/927/

No, so I peeked - Spot On.


--

Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 13:25:38 +0000, Pancho
<Pancho.Jones@proton.me> wrote:

The trick being the USB standard expects higher power devices to boost
the voltage, that is how fast phone chargers work. However, the rPi5
expects 27W at 5.1V, not at a higher voltage.

Exactly, a phone charger is a totally different beast than a 5V
Power Supply Unit.
--
Kees Nuyt

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On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with a standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp, 5v,
USB charger.

Unless you need a lot of power for PCIe or USB devices, the Raspberry Pi
4B's 3A charger will work fine.

---druck

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On 12/4/23 20:44, druck wrote:

On 01/12/2023 22:59, Pancho wrote:

I bought a rPi5 without the official USB PSU, and it doesn't work with
a standard USB plug. So now I'm waiting for the out of stock 5 amp,
5v, USB charger.

Unless you need a lot of power for PCIe or USB devices, the Raspberry Pi
4B's 3A charger will work fine.

Possibly, but the rpi4 charger is non-standard too, and I don't have
one. My rpi4 runs fine on a standard charger, given I run it headless.
The rpi4 didn't like being run off one of a pair of integral USBs in the
mains wall socket, with an attached USB SSD. Not that I would push my
luck....

Anyway, today Pimoroni tell me they have dispatched me an official rpi5 charger, and cooler, by Royal Mail/Next Day delivery. So maybe I will
get it before new year.

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On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:44:35 +0000, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
wrote:

the Raspberry Pi
4B's 3A charger will work fine.

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.
--
Kees Nuyt

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:46:50 +0100
Kees Nuyt <k.nuyt@nospam.demon.nl> wrote:

On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:44:35 +0000, druck <news@druck.org.uk>
wrote:

the Raspberry Pi
4B's 3A charger will work fine.

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.

It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 16:34 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.

        It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.

I can attest to that , I've used it to keep an Apple MacBook Pro alive
when I left the power supply behind at the office!
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:05:21 +0000
Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 16:34 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.

        It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.

I can attest to that , I've used it to keep an Apple MacBook Pro alive
when I left the power supply behind at the office!

Not so much a charger as a battery life extender?

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

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On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 17:43 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:05:21 +0000
Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 16:34 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.

        It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone.

I can attest to that , I've used it to keep an Apple MacBook Pro
alive
when I left the power supply behind at the office!

Not so much a charger as a battery life extender?

Emergency Life Support for Apple products, more like. Sorry I've been
watching too many pre 1970s Doctor Who episodes.
--
Tactical Nuclear Kittens

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On 12/5/23 6:06 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:

On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 17:43 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 17:05:21 +0000
Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:

On Tue, 2023-12-05 at 16:34 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

Let's call it a PSU (Power Supply Unit), it is not a charger.

        It supports USB-PD so you can use it to charge a phone. >>>

I can attest to that , I've used it to keep an Apple MacBook Pro
alive
when I left the power supply behind at the office!

Not so much a charger as a battery life extender?

Emergency Life Support for Apple products, more like. Sorry I've been watching too many pre 1970s Doctor Who episodes.

Hey ... I *love* pre-70s Dr. Who episodes !
Almost no FX budget ... actors/writing had
to actually carry the narrative !

Try Pluto-TV ... loads of Who 1/2/3 episodes.

Over time, and exposure, I've developed a certain
respect for Hartnell and Troughton. The USA got
VERY limited exposure, mostly through "public
television", and for a long time a LOT of those
episodes were just "lost". Searching through
archives in odd ex-Empire countries have produced
MANY "lost" episodes. A few are incomplete - but
I've seen ones with the missing bits aesthetically
replaced by animations. Apparently all the SOUND
and script-descriptions were preserved ... which
was a big help. "AI" will eventually be able to
weave together convincing replacement video.

"Who" is in BIG DEMAND outside the UK. Such a
long-running, complex, series is intriguing.
It's "very British" and the historical/artistic
value is huge.

As for Apple ... well ... it's become as "evil"
as M$ - almost a cult in fact. Hate 'em.

DO own an old Apple-II ... with goodies ... but
that was from before they became Evil. Once I
retire I'll spend some time restoring the hardware
and discs for the Full Experience. The old 6502
chip could do a LOT of neat stuff when properly
motivated. Never diss the Apple-II/C64.

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On 2023-12-06, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

"Who" is in BIG DEMAND outside the UK. Such a
long-running, complex, series is intriguing.
It's "very British" and the historical/artistic
value is huge.

Although I had heard of it for some time, I never
actually watched it until several years ago, when
I started at the 2005 reboot. It has a kind of
quirkiness that I like.

As for Apple ... well ... it's become as "evil"
as M$ - almost a cult in fact. Hate 'em.

Hence the .sig I created a few years ago. See below.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is a dictatorship.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

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On 12/6/23 12:40 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

On 2023-12-06, 56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

"Who" is in BIG DEMAND outside the UK. Such a
long-running, complex, series is intriguing.
It's "very British" and the historical/artistic
value is huge.

Although I had heard of it for some time, I never
actually watched it until several years ago, when
I started at the 2005 reboot. It has a kind of
quirkiness that I like.

Try Pluto-TV ... it carries the OLD OLD episodes
on its "Who Classic" channel.

The "new" episodes are rather different from the
originals. The old ones had a rather small FX
budget. The narrative was carried by WRITERS
instead. Oft a bit cludgy, but still attractive.

It was still very "quirky".

The series had an odd start ... the first episode
aired on the same day as the JFK assassination and
was thus ignored entirely. The BBC was convinced
to run it AGAIN a week or so later - and it became
a big hit ... indeed for 60 years now.

As for Apple ... well ... it's become as "evil"
as M$ - almost a cult in fact. Hate 'em.

Hence the .sig I created a few years ago. See below.

I *suppose* Linux could be viewed as a "cult"
also ... except that it WORKS SO DAMNED WELL
and for ZERO dollars/pounds/francs/whatever.

I've just retired. My replacements BARELY program
and are ONLY expert at using M$ commercial products.
They see Linux, and PIs, as a sort of dread disease.
This is what the new management thinks is Most Vital.
Classic Pointy-Haired-Bosses syndrome to the max.
They WILL be screwed, badly, soon enough - but at
this point they don't SEE it. Their "PLAN" is to blame
every screw-up on M$ instead of themselves. I'll be
getting my pension and SS checks, so, well, screw 'em.
Nearly 40 years of study/effort just FLUSHED. Bad
Decisions = Bad Results but it's no longer MY fault.

Could NEVER impress on them that Winders is just
the seagull-befouled tip of the proverbial iceberg
and Linux/Unix is the REAL computing world.

Guess I'll get a GitHub page and put useful "utilities"
on it. Prevents brain rot. Linux/Unix/Pi ARE the
Better Way.

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56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

Could NEVER impress on them that Winders is just
the seagull-befouled tip of the proverbial iceberg
and Linux/Unix is the REAL computing world.

Guess I'll get a GitHub page and put useful "utilities"
on it. Prevents brain rot. Linux/Unix/Pi ARE the
Better Way.

But you choose Microsoft's way to host open-source software?!

Put them on your own website, and unlike M$/GitHub don't fill it
full of pointless, poorly-compatible, Javascript just in order to
show a directory listing!

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On 02/12/2023 11:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:51:48 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I am rapidly realising there is no 'standard' USB...

At least 4 standards exist.

It's multi-dimensional. There are standards for the connectors and wiring labelled with letters A, B, C and micro (also non-standard ones labelled mini), then there are standards for the data labelled with numbers 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2 etc. and finally there are standards (some
de-facto) and non-standards for power delivery with names of ever
increasing length culminating in (so far) "USB Power Delivery Programmable Power Supply" with its cable warming 240 watt rating.

The standards for the peripheral end (printer, mobile phone, USB hard
drive) end resolved fairly quickly into:

- USB B (square) for printers

- mini (D connector) for older USB HDDs

- micro (slightly slimmer D) for newer HDDs and most non-Apple mobile phones

- USB C (rectangle with rounded corners, with 180 degree rotational
symmetry - at *last*) for all recent devices

It's a shame that there has never been a properly certified
bi-directional A plug so you don't have to spend ages faffing around
trying to plug a lead into a PC (often with the sockets recessed in a
bay, to protect them from the cable being knocked). I've seen some leads
with bidirectional A plugs that plug in either way to a standard
(polarised) A socket, but they are rare and have never been widely
adopted on all leads.

There are still a few proprietary connectors. I have a Garmin smart
watch that uses a rounded-rectangle connector with four round pins in
line. https://i.postimg.cc/nzGNYtqp/20231222-220706.jpg It is
deliberately very shallow so it doesn't intrude a long way into the
watch, which means that the plug-socket joint is very flimsy: if I knock
the watch after I've plugged in the charging cable, it comes out :-( The
metal ring on the plug is larger than the corresponding ring in the
socket, and could do with being a tighter fit.


Then you've got the Apple Lightning connector which has an unshielded
bit of PCB with exposed pins. I'm always petrified of bending the plug
slightly while it's plugged in, and snapping the PCB. I still think the
metal "ring" that surrounds the contacts on mini, micro and C is a Good
Thing because it helps stiffen the plug and protect the contacts. But
despite *looking* flimsy, I've never had a Lightning plug actually snap
off while inserted into a device: Apple did a good job.

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On 12/7/23 3:55 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

56g.1173 <56g.1173@ztq9.net> wrote:

Could NEVER impress on them that Winders is just
the seagull-befouled tip of the proverbial iceberg
and Linux/Unix is the REAL computing world.

Guess I'll get a GitHub page and put useful "utilities"
on it. Prevents brain rot. Linux/Unix/Pi ARE the
Better Way.

But you choose Microsoft's way to host open-source software?!

Put them on your own website, and unlike M$/GitHub don't fill it
full of pointless, poorly-compatible, Javascript just in order to
show a directory listing!

GitHub isn't the ONLY place to post software.

I do not want my own web-site for several reasons,
PAYING for it being just one. Various kinds of
liability are others.

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