https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-manufacturer-rs-group-ends-license-after-a-decade
RS stopped manufacturing raspberies
Official response to this is here - https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t38702&hilit=RS#p2028301
[...] Our licence agreement with RS Group came to an end in June 2022,
with the result that they no longer manufacture Raspberry Pi products.
Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
Official response to this is here -
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t38702&hilit=RS#p2028301
[...] Our licence agreement with RS Group came to an end in June 2022,
with the result that they no longer manufacture Raspberry Pi products.
Nice bit of passive-form marketing speak for: we decided that we did not
want to extend the licence agreement because we think we can make more
money that way. (Or: we=they!)
Not that there's anything wrong with making money.
On 21/08/2022 23:10, A. Dumas wrote:
Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
Official response to this is here -
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t38702&hilit=RS#p2028301
[...] Our licence agreement with RS Group came to an end in June 2022, >>> with the result that they no longer manufacture Raspberry Pi products.
Nice bit of passive-form marketing speak for: we decided that we did not
want to extend the licence agreement because we think we can make more
money that way. (Or: we=they!)
Not that there's anything wrong with making money.
At the moment there isn't enough chips to keep one manufacturer at full production, never mind two.
Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
Official response to this is here -
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t38702&hilit=RS#p2028301
[...] Our licence agreement with RS Group came to an end in June 2022,
with the result that they no longer manufacture Raspberry Pi products.
Nice bit of passive-form marketing speak for: we decided that we did not
want to extend the licence agreement because we think we can make more
money that way. (Or: we=they!)
Not that there's anything wrong with making money.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 22:10:04 -0000 (UTC), A. Dumas wrote:
Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
Official response to this is here -
https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t38702&hilit=RS#p2028301
[...] Our licence agreement with RS Group came to an end in June 2022, >>> with the result that they no longer manufacture Raspberry Pi products.
Nice bit of passive-form marketing speak for: we decided that we did not
want to extend the licence agreement because we think we can make more
money that way. (Or: we=they!)
Not that there's anything wrong with making money.
Perhaps it was RS who did not wish to resume?
that press release does not
comment either way but RS have started producing their own SBC so may not wish to produce a competing device?
alister wrote:
RS have started producing their own SBC so may not
wish to produce a competing device?
I can't seem to find anything about it.
A. Dumas wrote:
alister wrote:
RS have started producing their own SBC so may not
wish to produce a competing device?
I can't seem to find anything about it.
This, perhaps?
<https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/192228/OKdo-brings-an-end-to-SBC--single-board-computer--shortage-with-exciting-new-partnership.aspx>
<https://www.okdo.com>VERY interesting.
VERY interesting. Pi showed the way,
and this looks set to lumber after it and capture decent market share
On 24/08/2022 15:23, Andy Burns wrote:
A. Dumas wrote:VERY interesting.
alister wrote:
RS have started producing their own SBC so may not wish to produce a
competing device?
I can't seem to find anything about it.
This, perhaps?
<https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/192228/OKdo-brings-an-end-to- SBC--single-board-computer--shortage-with-exciting-new-partnership.aspx>
<https://www.okdo.com>
Pi showed the way, and this looks set to lumber after it and capture
decent market share
Andy Burns wrote:
<https://www.okdo.com>
VERY interesting.
Pi showed the way, and this looks set to lumber after it and capture decent market share
This, perhaps?
<https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/192228/OKdo-brings-an-end-to-SBC--single-board-computer--shortage-with-exciting-new-partnership.aspx>
<https://www.okdo.com>
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
<https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/192228/OKdo-brings-an-end-to-SBC--single-board-computer--shortage-with-exciting-new-partnership.aspx>[snip]
The problem with a lot of these me-too boards is the software quality is about comparable with budget Android phones: they ship a release and call
the product done. That's what the Radxa forum seems to confirm. I would be concerned that any me-too product doesn't have nearly as good software as
the official Raspberry Pi product line does.
The hardware is a bit better (the Pi hardware has always been a collection
of missed opportunities) but it's software that really matters.
On Wed, 24 Aug 2022 19:18:55 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/08/2022 15:23, Andy Burns wrote:SBC--single-board-computer--shortage-with-exciting-new-partnership.aspx>
A. Dumas wrote:
alister wrote:
RS have started producing their own SBC so may not wish to produce a >>>>> competing device?
I can't seem to find anything about it.
This, perhaps?
<https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/192228/OKdo-brings-an-end-to-
VERY interesting.
<https://www.okdo.com>
Pi showed the way, and this looks set to lumber after it and capture
decent market share
that I would think depends on the price point & also community support
which is by far the Raspberry Pi foundations biggest asset.
I can't work out what the difference is with the Rock 4 SE advertised by RS and the other Rock Pi 4 versions listed by Radxa.
Is it just RS doing their own branding thing?
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, which is one of the most popular
Pi-inspired x86 SBCs. With Intel x86 hardware you don't really need
the manufacturer to keep developing their own set of Linux kernel
patches and drivers because the mainline Linux kernel developers
are sufficiently motivated/paid to do that themselves.
https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX
RS aren't starting with that model though, based on the article.
Theo wrote:
I can't work out what the difference is with the Rock 4 SE advertised by
RS and the other Rock Pi 4 versions listed by Radxa.
Looks like a bit of reworking around the power supply corner and the ethernet chip
<http://andyburns.uk/misc/rockpi4b_vs_rock4se.png>
Is it just RS doing their own branding thing?
Getting rid of the "Pi" name
"ROCK or ROCK Pi
[...] (Note ROCK is always in upper case.)
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, which is one of the most popular
Pi-inspired x86 SBCs. With Intel x86 hardware you don't really need
the manufacturer to keep developing their own set of Linux kernel
patches and drivers because the mainline Linux kernel developers
are sufficiently motivated/paid to do that themselves.
https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX
RS aren't starting with that model though, based on the article.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, which is one of the most popular
Pi-inspired x86 SBCs. With Intel x86 hardware you don't really need
the manufacturer to keep developing their own set of Linux kernel
patches and drivers because the mainline Linux kernel developers
are sufficiently motivated/paid to do that themselves.
https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX
RS aren't starting with that model though, based on the article.
I think those are out of production. The only listing on Amazon has it selling for over $300. Mine was $100 when I bought it from Allnet about a year and a half ago in the maxed-out configuration (4 GB RAM, 128 GB eMMC), but when you go to their website now, all configurations are either sold out or unavailable, and have been for a while.
scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, which is one of the most popular
Pi-inspired x86 SBCs. With Intel x86 hardware you don't really need
the manufacturer to keep developing their own set of Linux kernel
patches and drivers because the mainline Linux kernel developers
are sufficiently motivated/paid to do that themselves.
https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX
RS aren't starting with that model though, based on the article.
I think those are out of production. The only listing on Amazon has it
selling for over $300. Mine was $100 when I bought it from Allnet about a >> year and a half ago in the maxed-out configuration (4 GB RAM, 128 GB eMMC), >> but when you go to their website now, all configurations are either sold out >> or unavailable, and have been for a while.
They're still on Aliexpress, which is where I'd probably go to buy
one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001723184608.html https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004525588026.html
On 25/08/2022 22:06, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:I bought 5 pairs of power transitorors from Ali express last month.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, which is one of the most popular
Pi-inspired x86 SBCs. With Intel x86 hardware you don't really need
the manufacturer to keep developing their own set of Linux kernel
patches and drivers because the mainline Linux kernel developers
are sufficiently motivated/paid to do that themselves.
https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX
RS aren't starting with that model though, based on the article.
I think those are out of production. The only listing on Amazon has it
selling for over $300. Mine was $100 when I bought it from Allnet about a >>> year and a half ago in the maxed-out configuration (4 GB RAM, 128 GB eMMC), >>> but when you go to their website now, all configurations are either sold out
or unavailable, and have been for a while.
They're still on Aliexpress, which is where I'd probably go to buy
one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001723184608.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004525588026.html
I used 3 of each - all failed within an hour, and the final one
destroyed a loudspeaker voice coil
They hadn't the voltage rating of what they were stamped with. Restamped rejects.
Nice bit of passive-form marketing speak for: we decided that we did not
want to extend the licence agreement because we think we can make more
money that way. (Or: we=they!)
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, ...
On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 6:10:05 p.m. UTC-4, A. Dumas wrote:
Nice bit of passive-form marketing speak for: we decided that we did not
want to extend the licence agreement because we think we can make more
money that way. (Or: we=they!)
That's not the reason at all. Anyone who's a Raspberry Pi AR knows, but they can't tell you.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 25/08/2022 22:06, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us wrote:I bought 5 pairs of power transitorors from Ali express last month.
Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
Radxa do have the ROCK Pi X, which is one of the most popular
Pi-inspired x86 SBCs. With Intel x86 hardware you don't really need
the manufacturer to keep developing their own set of Linux kernel
patches and drivers because the mainline Linux kernel developers
are sufficiently motivated/paid to do that themselves.
https://wiki.radxa.com/RockpiX
RS aren't starting with that model though, based on the article.
I think those are out of production. The only listing on Amazon has it >>>> selling for over $300. Mine was $100 when I bought it from Allnet about a >>>> year and a half ago in the maxed-out configuration (4 GB RAM, 128 GB eMMC),
but when you go to their website now, all configurations are either sold out
or unavailable, and have been for a while.
They're still on Aliexpress, which is where I'd probably go to buy
one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001723184608.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004525588026.html
I used 3 of each - all failed within an hour, and the final one
destroyed a loudspeaker voice coil
I don't doubt it, but Chinese crap is Chinese crap wherever you buy
it from. For example the Banana Pi boards are sold on Aliexpress by
SinoVoip (among others), the manufacturer, so they're obviously the
same quality that you'll get elsewhere, whether that's good enough
or not.
In the case of the ROCK Pi X I'd be most concerned about the
omission of a heatsink.
They hadn't the voltage rating of what they were stamped with. Restamped
rejects.
Cheap power transistors are classics for Chinese fakes. I think the Chinese-brand SBCs are more likely to be legit, though I'm
suspicious of the sellers offering Raspberry Pis. Reading the
reviews helps a lot, hopefully you left a negative one about those transistors.
Hey, I am not disagreeing with anything to say. I bought a cheap Chinese electric guitar last year. The woodwork was fabulous, the machine heads
and bridge were not bad, the fretboard needed attention from a light
hammer, but the pickups and control knobs went straight into the bin.
After installing copper foil screening and NEW Chinese pickups, and
knobs, it is now really fabulous.
A $1000 guitar for about $350.
On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 12:20:30 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Hey, I am not disagreeing with anything to say. I bought a cheap Chinese
electric guitar last year. The woodwork was fabulous, the machine heads
and bridge were not bad, the fretboard needed attention from a light
hammer, but the pickups and control knobs went straight into the bin.
After installing copper foil screening and NEW Chinese pickups, and
knobs, it is now really fabulous.
A $1000 guitar for about $350.
I bought a Chinese made Guild jumbo recently for €580. It's all but identical to the €3500 American made version[1] (same woods, same construction, same machine heads, plays and sounds the same - less bling) no need to change anything the pickup is by Fishman and it was perfectly set
up off the shelf. Of course it helps no end that Guild set the quality control standards - and *that* is what determines whether you get crap or something great out of China.
[1] Not just my opinion - every reviewer says the same about them.
Well done then. Nice guitar. Mine was way cheaper than that and I knew
that areas would be sub standard at that price. But then people by $3500 Fenders and spend another $1000 on a luthier to set them up properly.
On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 14:53:23 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Well done then. Nice guitar. Mine was way cheaper than that and I knew
It is the most expensive one I own. I have a wonderful Epiphone
Studio Gothic that only cost me €200 (second hand of course) and an Ovation I got for €250 which eats batteries if I use the electronics, sounds
great unamplified and can only be played sitting down curled round it
thanks to the bowl shaped back - I often wonder why I bought it.
that areas would be sub standard at that price. But then people by $3500
Fenders and spend another $1000 on a luthier to set them up properly.
I know of luthiers who would charge less than that to teach you how
to do it yourself - setting up a guitar properly isn't exactly difficult unless you go to the extent of filing the frets to achieve perfection, even that isn't really hard as long as you have the tools and the patience (i've done it once with great results - but I built that guitar from scratch).
My oldest guitar (just over 48 years now) is currently in the hands
of a luthier and violin maker having the neck reset and the bridge straightened which will cost me about €350 including setting it up afterwards. That guitar cost be £34 back in 1974 but it out performed everything in the shop less than £130. I was somewhat shocked to realise that what I had always thought of as a cheap but very nice guitar cost the equivalent of about €450 in today's money. Guitars have become very cheap.
I'm building a scratch 12 string electric. Will have to learn all that
stuff.
On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:14:52 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm building a scratch 12 string electric. Will have to learn all that
stuff.
The most vital tool you will need is a *really* good straight edge longer than the fretboard - although I can't help thinking that in these
days of cheap lasers it should be possible to arrange a beam with a wide level edge to highlight where it needs filing down.
On 27/08/2022 22:57, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
The most vital tool you will need is a *really* good straight
edge longer than the fretboard - although I can't help thinking that in these days of cheap lasers it should be possible to arrange a beam with
a wide level edge to highlight where it needs filing down.
Saw a video of a pro luthier who had such a beast It was a spirit level
from a dirt cheap DIY store. He said 'its just as good ' :-)
On 27/08/2022 22:57, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:14:52 +0100 The Natural PhilosopherSaw a video of a pro luthier who had such a beast It was a spirit level
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm building a scratch 12 string electric. Will have to learn all that
stuff.
The most vital tool you will need is a *really* good straight edge
longer than the fretboard - although I can't help thinking that in
these days of cheap lasers it should be possible to arrange a beam with
a wide level edge to highlight where it needs filing down.
from a dirt cheap DIY store. He said 'its just as good ' :-)
Fret rockers will pretty much ID the high spots.
Dunno if this is much use or not for guitar frets, but:
One of my more useful tools for getting a good wing profile on a model aircraft wing is a 'Great Planes' Easy Touch bar-sander, which I'd guess would also do the job you need.
On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 17:59:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2022 22:57, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:14:52 +0100 The Natural PhilosopherSaw a video of a pro luthier who had such a beast It was a spirit level
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm building a scratch 12 string electric. Will have to learn all that >>>> stuff.
The most vital tool you will need is a *really* good straight edge
longer than the fretboard - although I can't help thinking that in
these days of cheap lasers it should be possible to arrange a beam with
a wide level edge to highlight where it needs filing down.
from a dirt cheap DIY store. He said 'its just as good ' :-)
Fret rockers will pretty much ID the high spots.
Dunno if this is much use or not for guitar frets, but:
One of my more useful tools for getting a good wing profile on a model aircraft wing is a 'Great Planes' Easy Touch bar-sander, which I'd guess would also do the job you need. It is an alloy extrusion in the form of an 840mm x 50mm flat alloy extrusion with a nice 25 x 19 hollow handle
running its full length. You stick 50mm adhesive sandpaper strip on its
flat surface and sell for under $10 in the US, though they seem to be in rather short supply ATM.
Permagrit also do double sided sanding blocks of up to 560mm long, but for around 46 quid.
On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 20:08:15 -0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> wrote:
Dunno if this is much use or not for guitar frets, but:
One of my more useful tools for getting a good wing profile on a model
aircraft wing is a 'Great Planes' Easy Touch bar-sander, which I'd guess
would also do the job you need.
Probably not - the perfect fret is round topped with the peak in a
dead straight line across the fretboard (let's not talk about curved fretboards) at exactly the same height all the way across nice and smooth
and perfectly flush at the ends. The idea being to stop the string at
exactly the right distance and not have it buzz against any others.
Really fine files of various shapes are the usual abrasive tools,
it's a slow painstaking job and you will be reminded of every single place you came short of perfection every time you play the guitar. If your immediate response to this is to make another and do it better - rinse and repeat ad infinitum - then one day people will start calling you a
luthier, otherwise you're probably a musician who will find a luthier to do it next time.
On 28/08/2022 21:08, Martin Gregorie wrote:
On Sun, 28 Aug 2022 17:59:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 27/08/2022 22:57, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2022 20:14:52 +0100 The Natural PhilosopherSaw a video of a pro luthier who had such a beast It was a spirit
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I'm building a scratch 12 string electric. Will have to learn all
that stuff.
The most vital tool you will need is a *really* good straight edge
longer than the fretboard - although I can't help thinking that in
these days of cheap lasers it should be possible to arrange a beam
with a wide level edge to highlight where it needs filing down.
level from a dirt cheap DIY store. He said 'its just as good ' :-)
Fret rockers will pretty much ID the high spots.
Dunno if this is much use or not for guitar frets, but:
One of my more useful tools for getting a good wing profile on a model
aircraft wing is a 'Great Planes' Easy Touch bar-sander, which I'd
guess would also do the job you need. It is an alloy extrusion in the
form of an 840mm x 50mm flat alloy extrusion with a nice 25 x 19 hollow
handle running its full length. You stick 50mm adhesive sandpaper strip
on its flat surface and sell for under $10 in the US, though they seem
to be in rather short supply ATM.
Permagrit also do double sided sanding blocks of up to 560mm long, but
for around 46 quid.
Permagrit are great. I tend to have several on the go for MY model
planes and indeed all sorts of odd other jobs.
In the case of the ROCK Pi X I'd be most concerned about the
omission of a heatsink.
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