Dennis Meadows, member of the WEF, has called for an 86% reduction in the human population, arguing that "the goal can be achieved peacefully." He went on to say that the genocide of 86% is "inevitable."

Part of his argument is that most of the world's population must be wiped out so that survivors can "have freedom," giving new meaning to the word.

This part of the WEF's mission makes me reconsider "They're changing the racial Demographic to get Democrat votes." Now I believe there's more: They're collecting "redundant humans" in the USA, because it's easier to centralize them in such a desirable place as opposed to some LDC. In Europe, they're luring them to Germany.

Perhaps once the majority of the "redundant humans" reach their centralized destinations, then it will be time for the elites to hightail it to the Kerguyen Islands, or wherever, so they can "peacefully" press the 86% button.

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-advisor-do-we-need-so-many-humans/

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Dennis Meadows, member of the WEF, has called for an 86% reduction in the human
population, arguing that "the goal can be achieved peacefully." He went on to s
y that the genocide of 86% is "inevitable."

Can you provide a link to this? I would like to share it.

I really cannot understand how some people ignore or don't care about calls
for "active" depopulation like this one. It seems that the people who are
less concerned are the same ones who think that the Republicans are the
Nazis. Active depopulation, by removing specific demographics -- Jews,
Slavs -- was exactly what the German Nazis were up to.

It is all very elitist... rich persons who determine how many of the rest
of us need to be removed.


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y that the genocide of 86% is "inevitable."

Can you provide a link to this? I would like to share it.

I put it on the bottom of that post:

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-advisor-do-we-need-so-many-humans/

I realize that "slaynews" isn't very reputable, but that short article breaks down the "agenda" nicely, and contains a link to the video of Harari referring to the "useless people" and that the genocide of them (us) is "inevitable."

I really cannot understand how some people ignore or don't care about calls for "active" depopulation like this one. It seems that the people who are less concerned are the same ones who think that the Republicans are the Nazis. Active depopulation, by removing specific demographics
-- Jews, Slavs -- was exactly what the German Nazis were up to.

What I don't understand is, if you attended just 1 WEF meeting, does that make you a "member?" Because Trump attended at least 1 of them. But does every attendee attend every conference? (It would be a crime if I don't also mention that both Sinema and Manchin attended recently!)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

Dennis Meadows, member of the WEF, has called for an 86% reduction in
the human population, arguing that "the goal can be achieved
peacefully." He went on to say that the genocide of 86% is
"inevitable."

All part of the "Climate Change" false Narrative.

Part of his argument is that most of the world's population must be
wiped out so that survivors can "have freedom," giving new meaning to
the word.

They like to redefine words to mean the opposite of what they actually mean.

I wonder if these people are required to study George Orwell.

This part of the WEF's mission makes me reconsider "They're changing
the racial Demographic to get Democrat votes." Now I believe there's
more: They're collecting "redundant humans" in the USA, because it's easier to centralize them in such a desirable place as opposed to some LDC. In Europe, they're luring them to Germany.

There's multiple layers here.
1. They want a COMPLIANT population and Americans, in general, are not compliant.
2. So we have the jabs, bad food, pollution, etc. to reduce the population - mostly American. Remember that the "migrants" didn't have to get the jab.
3. Then we have the illegal aliens, who like to breed like crazy, come in. But these people are more compliant.


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Can you provide a link to this? I would like to share it.

I put it on the bottom of that post:

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-advisor-do-we-need-so-many-humans/

Sorry, I missed it. Thanks!

I really cannot understand how some people ignore or don't care about calls for "active" depopulation like this one. It seems that the people who are less concerned are the same ones who think that the Republicans are the Nazis. Active depopulation, by removing specific demographics -- Jews, Slavs -- was exactly what the German Nazis were up to.

What I don't understand is, if you attended just 1 WEF meeting, does that make
ou a "member?" Because Trump attended at least 1 of them. But does every atten
e attend every conference? (It would be a crime if I don't also mention that b
h Sinema and Manchin attended recently!)

I questioned that back when someone pointed out that Sinema and Manchin attended at least one. On the one hand, I would be leery to attend one so
as not to be associated with them. On the other, if you have the
opportunity to attend and do, it gives you first hand info as to what they
are up to.

I am guessing that there are "members" and that the group also invites politicians and other dignitaries to their meetings -- i.e. non-members.
Maybe that is something to read up on. ;)


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Part of his argument is that most of the world's population must be wiped out so that survivors can "have freedom," giving new meaning to the word.

They like to redefine words to mean the opposite of what they actually mean.

I wonder if these people are required to study George Orwell.

They probably study his cautionary tales as how to guides rather than as
what they were intended to be.

There's multiple layers here.
1. They want a COMPLIANT population and Americans, in general, are not compliant.

Yes.

2. So we have the jabs, bad food, pollution, etc. to reduce the population - mostly American. Remember that the "migrants" didn't have to get the jab.
3. Then we have the illegal aliens, who like to breed like crazy, come in. Bu
these people are more compliant.

Which somehow seems in contradiction to their desire to remove 86% of the population. The ones who are dependent on the government might be
compliant, but the ones who are out there working are not necessarily so.


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Dennis Meadows, member of the WEF, has called for an 86% reduction in the human population, arguing that "the goal can be achieved peacefully." He went on to say that the genocide of 86% is "inevitable."

All part of the "Climate Change" false Narrative.

Yes, Climate Change is part of the depopulation agenda also. There's another WEF video floating around somewhere of a woman (forgot her name) complaining about humans making too many carbons, or something, and that "it must be stopped."

more: They're collecting "redundant humans" in the USA, because it's easier to centralize them in such a desirable place as opposed to som LDC. In Europe, they're luring them to Germany.

There's multiple layers here.
1. They want a COMPLIANT population and Americans, in general, are not compliant.
2. So we have the jabs, bad food, pollution, etc. to reduce the
population - mostly American. Remember that the "migrants" didn't have
to get the jab. 3. Then we have the illegal aliens, who like to breed
like crazy, come in. But these people are more compliant.

Yes, multiple layers. I think multiple layers are necessary because they don't know which parts of their disgusting plans are going to fail vs which ones will work as planned. Perhaps they're unsure of when the genocide should start, so in case there's any delay, they want us "happy" while we wait to be killed. For us all to be happy, we need crap like gender pronouns, freedom from the jab, and DEI training.

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

Which somehow seems in contradiction to their desire to remove 86% of
the population. The ones who are dependent on the government might be compliant, but the ones who are out there working are not necessarily
so.

It does seem that way. But part of the "compliance" can be done by reducing access to food, energy, etc.

Think of what the world would be like if we removed 86% of the population. And keep in mind that most of that 14% would be the useless Elitists.

We would not have enough people to farm well, generate energy, manufacture good. All of that would increase prices majorly and, in some cases, some things would not be cost effective to produce at all.

Remember the Elitists are idealogues. They have lots of infeasable ideas but no real intelligence. In companies they heavily rely on "underlings" who are far more intelligent to actually "handle the details".


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Yes, Climate Change is part of the depopulation agenda also. There's another WEF video floating around somewhere of a woman (forgot her
name) complaining about humans making too many carbons, or something,
and that "it must be stopped."

It would have been ironically funny if a climate terrorist rose up and said "OK, let's start with you" and pulled out a gun.

The Elitists don't consider people below them to be human. So they have ideas that impact everyone - except the Elitists, of course.

Yes, multiple layers. I think multiple layers are necessary because
they don't know which parts of their disgusting plans are going to fail
vs which ones will work as planned.

And one layer can be used to distract from another layer. They have to do something to keep the plebes from rising up and stopping the Elitists' plans.

Perhaps they're unsure of when the
genocide should start, so in case there's any delay, they want us
"happy" while we wait to be killed. For us all to be happy, we need
crap like gender pronouns, freedom from the jab, and DEI training.

And remember that the Elitists always mean the opposite of what they say. "Happy" in this case means "angry". Keep the morons angry because you are "misgenering" them and they won't notice that they've been jabbed, or that all their rights have been removed and that they have no future.

And, above all, keep the plebes from practicing at the gun range.


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I put it on the bottom of that post:

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-advisor-do-we-need-so-many-humans/

I realize that "slaynews" isn't very reputable, but that short article breaks wn the "agenda" nicely, and contains a link to the video of Harari referring t
the "useless people" and that the genocide of them (us) is "inevitable."

So I read the article (difficult due to all the pop-ups) and watched the
video. I honestly did not see hardly any mention of 86%. What I did see
is him pointing out something that a lot of Conservatives have been
complaining about... that we have a large part of our population that sits around doing nothing and not being productive.

So I am finding difficulty not agreeing with him just because he is a consultant to the WEF. Since we in the US have been restricting the
ability to get an abortion lately, and some politicians have even discussed controling birth control, we are only going to wind up with more and more people who don't contribute and have to be supported by the rest of us
somehow -- likely in higher taxes.


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Think of what the world would be like if we removed 86% of the population. An
keep in mind that most of that 14% would be the useless Elitists.

It would be I am sure.

We would not have enough people to farm well, generate energy, manufacture good. All of that would increase prices majorly and, in some cases, some things would not be cost effective to produce at all.

I watched the video with the article. The guy has a point, sort of. What
they discuss is that because of computer automation, there are a lot of
people who are being put out of, or will be put out of, jobs who have no
other skills. So they will just be sitting around "taking drugs and
playing video games" (paraphrased). In other words, he is talking about
the portion of the unproductive population that Conservatives also complain about.

So it doesn't sound like he means people who would be farming, although
maybe that is what the illegals are being imported for. The video, and the article Aaron linked never mention "86%". The only place I saw that
mentioned was in a link to *another* article. With all the pop-ups and
other bandwidth wasters on that page, I didn't follow it.


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And remember that the Elitists always mean the opposite of what they
say. "Happy" in this case means "angry". Keep the morons angry because you are "misgenering" them and they won't notice that they've been
jabbed, or that all their rights have been removed and that they have no future.

And, above all, keep the plebes from practicing at the gun range.

Those are words for them to live by. ;)

We saw Obama ratify the intentional mutation of SARS, they experimented with it, it killed a lot of people, but not a whole population.

If Covid-19 was a test, then we should expect the next experiment to be significantly more deadly, and we should expect that Democrats and their pals are looking into ways to make other things more deadly than they already are.

(Think pissed off sharks, quadrupling the radiation level of cellphone batteries, letting murderers out of prison and giving them jobs at hospitals, making jeeps even more susceptible to tipping, intentional flooding, chemical exposures, etc.)

And they'll learn towards stuff that can be narrated as "an accident" just like "accident at the wet market" or "accidental train derailment."

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https://slaynews.com/news/wef-advisor-do-we-need-so-many-humans/

I realize that "slaynews" isn't very reputable, but that short article b wn the "agenda" nicely, and contains a link to the video of Harari refer t
the "useless people" and that the genocide of them (us) is "inevitable."

So I read the article (difficult due to all the pop-ups) and watched the video. I honestly did not see hardly any mention of 86%. What I did see is him pointing out something that a lot of Conservatives have been complaining about... that we have a large part of our population that
sits around doing nothing and not being productive.
So I read the article (difficult due to all the pop-ups) and watched the video. I honestly did not see hardly any mention of 86%. What I did see is him pointing out something that a lot of Conservatives have been complaining about... that we have a large part of our population that
sits around doing nothing and not being productive.

I didn't provide the right link and I accidentally conflated the "redundant humans" WEF member with another WEF member. But the article I listed has a link to this other article, on the same website, and it's this other WEF member, Dennis Meadows, calling for 86% reduction and saying that "genocide is inevitable."

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-member-calls-86-reduction-worlds-population/

video. I honestly did not see hardly any mention of 86%. What I did see is him pointing out something that a lot of Conservatives have been complaining about... that we have a large part of our population that
sits around doing nothing and not being productive.

Yea but there are no conservatives who will vote in favor of depopulating them. Liberals would probably be ok with it- if that's what Jimmy wants.

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

I watched the video with the article. The guy has a point, sort of.
What they discuss is that because of computer automation, there are a
lot of people who are being put out of, or will be put out of, jobs who have no other skills.

But none of that is new. How many blacksmiths are there now? How about carriage/cart makers? Street cleaners? The list is very long.

Times change. Technology changes. And people will change with it. "Doing something" about people being "left behind by technology" is just more Elitist thinking. That some big, benevolent (for now), organization can come in and solve problems is a socialist pipe dream.


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video. I honestly did not see hardly any mention of 86%. What I did see
is him pointing out something that a lot of Conservatives have been complaining about... that we have a large part of our population that sits around doing nothing and not being productive.

Yea but there are no conservatives who will vote in favor of depopulating them
Liberals would probably be ok with it- if that's what Jimmy wants.

I would be in favor of them breeding less, that is for sure. A lot of
liberals wouldn't be in for killing them if they are already born, but your Elitist Leftists (i.e. the ones with money) or the radical
environmentalists might be ok with it.


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I watched the video with the article. The guy has a point, sort of. What they discuss is that because of computer automation, there are a lot of people who are being put out of, or will be put out of, jobs who have no other skills.

But none of that is new. How many blacksmiths are there now? How about carriage/cart makers? Street cleaners? The list is very long.

Times change. Technology changes. And people will change with it. "Doing something" about people being "left behind by technology" is just more Elitist
thinking. That some big, benevolent (for now), organization can come in and solve problems is a socialist pipe dream.

I agree it has happened before, but this one might be a little different.
It seems that the jobs that are growing are in sectors where (1) people
don't really want to work, like fast food, and that (2) don't pay enough
for someone to make the same living they used to -- i.e. they don't buy a house, have families, etc.

IMHO, part of the issue is more people going to college than in the days of cart makers and street cleaners and majoring in things that have never been paths to steady, decent paying employment.

Unless there is growth in some other industry that will either teach a new person the skills they need, or pay for them to go to college/trade school
to learn it, I am not sure what US on-shore industry will grow for these
people to take jobs in.

I would suggest to a young person to try learning about computers and automation if they want a future.


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Yea but there are no conservatives who will vote in favor of depopulatin them
Liberals would probably be ok with it- if that's what Jimmy wants.

I would be in favor of them breeding less, that is for sure. A lot of

That makes you one of them! I'm in favor of letting people breed to their heart's content.

liberals wouldn't be in for killing them if they are already born, but your Elitist Leftists (i.e. the ones with money) or the radical environmentalists might be ok with it.

How many is "a lot?" I swear, when it comes to liberal voters, and that includes a few "conservatives" also, they will vote in favor of stuff like "intentionally mutating SARS viruses," and maybe even "controlling the population" to make sure that their elite kids get to breathe better air and have a better quality of life.

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

I agree it has happened before, but this one might be a little
different.

That's just perception. But there is a grain of truth to it.

It seems that the jobs that are growing are in sectors where
(1) people don't really want to work, like fast food, and that (2)
don't pay enough for someone to make the same living they used to --
i.e. they don't buy a house, have families, etc.

But jobs that pay like that were NEVER meant to be for living on your own, buying a house, etc. Those jobs were meant to be for young people to get experience working and develop good work skills that will help them later.

Of course, the Elitists are working hard to eliminate those jobs by increasing the minimum wage crying "but these people can't buy a house at those wages".

Also, you have the Scamdemic and how some states are **still** paying able bodied workers to not work, plus having the jab having killed off many older workers. Those jobs still need to be done, so guess what? Those unskilled, inexperienced kids who used to be able to only get the jobs at the local burger place... They are now getting near full time jobs, paying a lot more, at larger companies.

IMHO, part of the issue is more people going to college than in the
days of cart makers and street cleaners and majoring in things that
have never been paths to steady, decent paying employment.

There are 3 problems here:
1. There is a myth, perpetuated by the Elitsts, that you need a college education to get a "good paying" job. Mike Rowe has clearly proven that incorrect.
2. There is another myth that all you need is a degree, not necessairly a useful degree. Again, this is pushed by the Elitsts to fund their University indoctrination centers.
3. Many kids don't do a cost/benefit check on their degree. When I was in high school, I had resources to look into various degrees, various colleges, what those degrees cost and what the jobs pay. But, once again, the Elitists have taken those resources away and discourage such research. Gotta keep those indoctrination centers running and the Elitists "professors" employed.

Unless there is growth in some other industry that will either teach a
new person the skills they need, or pay for them to go to college/trade school to learn it, I am not sure what US on-shore industry will grow
for these people to take jobs in.

There are a bunch of industries that are hurting for people (check out Mike Rowe's web site mikerowe.com) that need educated (but not college educated) people
that aren't getting them.

The problem here is the Narrative being pushed:
1. You **NEED** a college education.
2. People who are't intellectuals are "low class" (Think of how non-intellectuals are portrayed in Hollywood).

What's needed is for parents and their children to actually have a good conversation about their kids future.

Kids **need** to be exposed to various jobs. They **need** those early no-experience jobs to give them a taste of things and decide what they are best suited for.

And the Elitists are working hard to prevent that.

I would suggest to a young person to try learning about computers and automation if they want a future.

I would suggest that they explore different jobs, then seek out people who actaually work in those jobs and talk to them about it.

I would also suggest that they ignore everything that their school officials tell them about a career path.


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I didn't provide the right link and I accidentally conflated the "redundant hum
ns" WEF member with another WEF member. But the article I listed has a link to >his other article, on the same website, and it's this other WEF member, Dennis >eadows, calling for 86% reduction and saying that "genocide is inevitable."

https://slaynews.com/news/wef-member-calls-86-reduction-worlds-population/

OK, so this guy has been around since at least 1975 and seems to pop up whenever things are "bad." Back then he cowrote a book about the topic
which has been cited by a lot of others who share his beliefs as a
masterpiece.

He did not actually say "genocide" -- that was something the author of the article said. The only word in that sentence that was quoted as his was "inevitable."

What he does say is that he believes we do need to reduce the population by
~86%, and that he believes it can be done "peacefully," possibly by some benevolent dictator who will be "smart" but also lower the standard of
living. He believes it should affect everyone "equally" so that it is
fair. Although he sure sounds like a member of the "elite," what is quoted
in the article does not indicate that he leaves them any more room to avoid
the inevitable reduction than any other group.

I think this bozo either read "1984" and thinks there is a
such thing as a worldwide benevolent dictator that can lower our standard
of living and make it difficult for most of the population to thrive, or he
has studied Stalin and/or Mao and/or Pot and thinks what they did to large portions of their populations in the USSR/China/Cambodia (respectively) was somehow "humane."

He is a member of a group that believes a world with a low standard of
living can sustain a much higher population -- 4 or 5 times as much -- as
can a world with a higher standard of living -- like the standard of living
in the Western World. They do probably have some truth in their ideas -- consumerism is difficult to sustain and takes its toll on the Earth -- but
most of their ideas are pretty radical, IMHO.

I get the impression that he is not the only member of this "low standard" group who is also a member of the WEF.


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I would be in favor of them breeding less, that is for sure. A lot of

That makes you one of them! I'm in favor of letting people breed to their hear
s content.

I guess it does! I come from a big family. We did ok, but I firmly
believe that people who don't have the means to support their kids
shouldn't be bringing them into the world. There are too many successful
forms of easy to obtain birth control out there now for people to have any excuse for doing so.

liberals wouldn't be in for killing them if they are already born, but your Elitist Leftists (i.e. the ones with money) or the radical environmentalists might be ok with it.

How many is "a lot?" I swear, when it comes to liberal voters, and that includ
a few "conservatives" also, they will vote in favor of stuff like "intentiona
y mutating SARS viruses," and maybe even "controlling the population" to make re that their elite kids get to breathe better air and have a better quality o
life.

Except the SARS virus doesn't know how to determine whether a host is Elite
or not.


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OK, so this guy has been around since at least 1975 and seems to pop up whenever things are "bad." Back then he cowrote a book about the topic which has been cited by a lot of others who share his beliefs as a masterpiece.

He re-emerged in 2023 in that interview. I never heard of him until I found that interview, and all I can find out about him is that he's an author who has written a book or two. I find the concept of the WEC irritating. The wealthy and the powerful, and the Democrats, talk about stuff behind closed doors in Sweden. The people who are content with the WEF (i.e. Democrat/RINO voters) are probably the same ones who are content with "let's intentionally mutate SARS to make it as deadly as possible."

What he does say is that he believes we do need to reduce the population by ~86%, and that he believes it can be done "peacefully," possibly by some benevolent dictator who will be "smart" but also lower the standard of living. He believes it should affect everyone "equally" so that it is

Too many WEF members are making references to things that sound like they want to kill us.

"What do we want so many humans for?" (2023 WEF member from the 1st video.)
"We need to reduce the population by 86%" (2023 WEF member from 2nd video.) "Control population so our children can breathe cleaner air and drink cleaner water" (2023 Kamala Harris.)

Kamala Harris was at the WEF in 2021. I know I probably sound like a crazed conspiracy theorist, but there's only 1 WEF; it's a meeting that's held in 1 building, annually, in Davos, Switzerland. I can't help but to believe that all of these people are at least somewhat on the same page with one another.

Of course the media and WH spox say "She mis-spoke" but yea right.

living in the Western World. They do probably have some truth in their ideas -- consumerism is difficult to sustain and takes its toll on the Earth -- but most of their ideas are pretty radical, IMHO.

9 out of 10 leftists would also call it "too radical" if they knew about it, and if they weren't so distracted by all the crap spewing from the media.

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That makes you one of them! I'm in favor of letting people breed to thei hear
s content.

I guess it does! I come from a big family. We did ok, but I firmly believe that people who don't have the means to support their kids shouldn't be bringing them into the world. There are too many successful forms of easy to obtain birth control out there now for people to have
any excuse for doing so.

I know a couple that is completely out of their minds, neither of them work, their disgusting apartment smells like cat feces, and they don't seem to get the concept of soap and/or incense sticks. But they're raising a baby, and why not? The government should tell them that they can't?

I don't think people should tell them "You guys are scumbags, and you have no brains, and you don't have jobs, so you're prohibited from being parents."

Instead, I think we should adapt to them. Let them find out how ridiculously ignorant they are they hard way. Stopping services like food stamps and WIC would be a more polite way of telling people "If you have a baby, you had better not expect the taxpayers to feed your child, and feeding your child could mean sacrificing all the dumb things that you waste your money on."

But to intentionally reduce the population in any way, other than offering free condoms, sounds inhumane and unfair. There are some problems that just can't be fixed in an ethical way.

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It seems that the jobs that are growing are in sectors where
(1) people don't really want to work, like fast food, and that (2)
don't pay enough for someone to make the same living they used to -- i.e. they don't buy a house, have families, etc.

But jobs that pay like that were NEVER meant to be for living on your own, buying a house, etc. Those jobs were meant to be for young people to get experience working and develop good work skills that will help them later.

Correct. The guy who was interviewed, who claimed that automation was
going to remove jobs was talking about the ones that people can make a
living off of. The jobs that are replacing those (the ones you can make a living from) are jobs in the service sector - fast food, etc. - that you
cannot make a living from.

Also, you have the Scamdemic and how some states are **still** paying able bodied workers to not work,

Are they still paying them, though? Kentucky stopped the COVID unemployment extension quite a while back, when it expired. IIRC, that was well over a
year ago.


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OK, so this guy has been around since at least 1975 and seems to pop up whenever things are "bad." Back then he cowrote a book about the topic which has been cited by a lot of others who share his beliefs as a masterpiece.

He re-emerged in 2023 in that interview. I never heard of him until I found th
interview, and all I can find out about him is that he's an author who has wr
ten a book or two.

I had never heard of him either, but I do remember back in the late 1970's there was a push from certain groups to limit population growth. I mainly remember them from the sitcom punchlines of the time <grin> but I do
remember them.

I find the concept of the WEC irritating. The wealthy and the
powerful, and the Democrats, talk about stuff behind closed doors in Sweden. e people who are content with the WEF (i.e. Democrat/RINO voters) are probably
he same ones who are content with "let's intentionally mutate SARS to make it
deadly as possible."

Not sure about the last bit but yes, I am not sure why the leaders of
nations are getting together with these rich folks behind closed doors. I suspect it is the rich folks trying to lobby/pander for favors from
governments under the guise of "fixing World issues."

What he does say is that he believes we do need to reduce the population by ~86%, and that he believes it can be done "peacefully," possibly by some benevolent dictator who will be "smart" but also lower the standard of living. He believes it should affect everyone "equally" so that it is

Too many WEF members are making references to things that sound like they want
o kill us.

"What do we want so many humans for?" (2023 WEF member from the 1st video.) "We need to reduce the population by 86%" (2023 WEF member from 2nd video.) "Control population so our children can breathe cleaner air and drink cleaner ter" (2023 Kamala Harris.)

Can you provide a link where Kamala said that?

They do indeed make it sound like they would like the population
controlled. Maybe they have so much money now that it doesn't matter, but
I wonder who will buy all of the M$, Apple, and other expensive tech crap
when they've killed off a good portion of their customer bases?
Governments won't need as much of their expensive crap anymore, either, if there are only a few of us left.

Of course the media and WH spox say "She mis-spoke" but yea right.

She does not have a way with words.

9 out of 10 leftists would also call it "too radical" if they knew about it, a
if they weren't so distracted by all the crap spewing from the media.

A lot of them have difficulty understanding where food and electricity
comes from so no surprises there.


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I guess it does! I come from a big family. We did ok, but I firmly believe that people who don't have the means to support their kids shouldn't be bringing them into the world. There are too many successful
forms of easy to obtain birth control out there now for people to have any excuse for doing so.

I know a couple that is completely out of their minds, neither of them work, th
ir disgusting apartment smells like cat feces, and they don't seem to get the c
ncept of soap and/or incense sticks. But they're raising a baby, and why not? T
e government should tell them that they can't?

No but they should probably be smart enough not to, and the government does have the authority to remove children from homes if they are deemed unsafe
or the parents unfit.

I don't think people should tell them "You guys are scumbags, and you have no ains, and you don't have jobs, so you're prohibited from being parents."

I do have some conflict between what the government should be able to do
and the fact that dumb people are not likely to raise productive members of society.

Instead, I think we should adapt to them. Let them find out how ridiculously i
orant they are they hard way. Stopping services like food stamps and WIC would
e a more polite way of telling people "If you have a baby, you had better not pect the taxpayers to feed your child, and feeding your child could mean sacri
cing all the dumb things that you waste your money on."

If you can convince society to do this, it would be a step in the right direction and would be a way for the government to indirectly control what
they do.

That would probably somehow contradict their desire for the depopulation to
be "humane" and also "fair and equal," though.

But to intentionally reduce the population in any way, other than offering fre
condoms, sounds inhumane and unfair. There are some problems that just can't b
fixed in an ethical way.

There are some that, for whatever reason, believe that birth control is as unethical as abortion. I do not understand that and see a lot of contradictions in it.


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Not sure about the last bit but yes, I am not sure why the leaders of nations are getting together with these rich folks behind closed doors.
I suspect it is the rich folks trying to lobby/pander for favors from governments under the guise of "fixing World issues."

Voters should be made aware of it. They have no clue.

"What do we want so many humans for?" (2023 WEF member from the 1st vide "We need to reduce the population by 86%" (2023 WEF member from 2nd vide "Control population so our children can breathe cleaner air and drink cl ter" (2023 Kamala Harris.)

Can you provide a link where Kamala said that?

http://tinyurl.com/298ejw6k

Supposedly, the office of the VP said that "The vice president misspoke." And I agree that she probably misspoke, but I believe that it was a Freudian Slip, and not just a "gaffe." The reason I think that way: Listen to her context! It sounds a lot like she's talking about "cleaner water" and "cleaner air" for the children of the elites, especially considering the viewpoints from those other WEF members in 2023 (Same year she made that speech.)

They do indeed make it sound like they would like the population controlled. Maybe they have so much money now that it doesn't matter,
but I wonder who will buy all of the M$, Apple, and other expensive tech crap when they've killed off a good portion of their customer bases? Governments won't need as much of their expensive crap anymore, either,
if there are only a few of us left.

That's productive economic thought right there, Mike! Good questions. It seems like they won't need so many customers once they bolster an international ruling class; what's more important to them than customers and money is "cleaner air" and "cleaner water," and they'll totally get those things if they control the population of their customers.

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orant they are they hard way. Stopping services like food stamps and WIC would
e a more polite way of telling people "If you have a baby, you had bette pect the taxpayers to feed your child, and feeding your child could mean sacri
cing all the dumb things that you waste your money on."

If you can convince society to do this, it would be a step in the right direction and would be a way for the government to indirectly control
what they do.

But first: The government must find a way to trick these scumbags into voting Republican! Because the Democrats (generalizing here, but they often are on the same page) are more in favor of borrowing money from China than they are in making wise economic decisions.

That would probably somehow contradict their desire for the depopulation to be "humane" and also "fair and equal," though.

I think those are just a bunch of terms they're familiarizing themselves with as they prepare for the big transformation to a socialist market. They're hoping that nobody whines about it, because it will be "fair and equal for everyone" (everyone who's not ruling class.)

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

Correct. The guy who was interviewed, who claimed that automation was going to remove jobs was talking about the ones that people can make a living off of. The jobs that are replacing those (the ones you can
make a living from) are jobs in the service sector - fast food, etc. - that you cannot make a living from.

I will question the knowledge of the guy interviewed then.

The low-skilled entry level jobs are getting automated because the Elitists keep wanting to increase the minimum wage, which basically prices those jobs out of the market. But they gotta keep going something to keep the people down.

If a job is getting automated it's because of 2 things:
1. It's a low-skilled/educated job.
2. The wage demands (whether through a Union or through gov't interference) have increased to the point where automation is feasible.

I've seen many UAW jobs go away due to automation (and that was some 30 years ago - so this is nothing new).

Sadly, too many people think that they can just get a job and never grow until they retire. This has always been false and it has gotten even more false as technology increases. You always need to see where your job is heading and upgrade your knowledge or skills.

Are they still paying them, though? Kentucky stopped the COVID unemployment extension quite a while back, when it expired. IIRC, that was well over a year ago.

I believe that in Michigan they still are. It's up to the state - and we have a tax-and-spend Elitist running things.


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I will question the knowledge of the guy interviewed then.

The low-skilled entry level jobs are getting automated because the Elitists keep wanting to increase the minimum wage, which basically prices those jobs out of the market. But they gotta keep going something to keep the people down.

If a job is getting automated it's because of 2 things:
1. It's a low-skilled/educated job.
2. The wage demands (whether through a Union or through gov't interference) have increased to the point where automation is feasible.

I've seen many UAW jobs go away due to automation (and that was some 30 years ago - so this is nothing new).

One place I think they are wrong (i.e. the WEF and the interviewee) is that they seem to think that AI will start replacing skilled jobs soon. I don't know about that. I still think AI is a long way off from being able to
replace the parts of the human experience which are also important in decision making.

That doesn't mean that some corporate dummies won't try it, but I don't
think AI is there yet.

I tend to agree that your list of reasons for automation is pretty spot on.

Sadly, too many people think that they can just get a job and never grow until
they retire. This has always been false and it has gotten even more false as technology increases. You always need to see where your job is heading and upgrade your knowledge or skills.

This is correct in most sectors for certain.


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No but they should probably be smart enough not to, and the government does have the authority to remove children from homes if they are
deemed unsafe or the parents unfit.

But there's supposed to be a legal process around that.

Oh, yes, there certainly are and I was not suggesting that those processes should be subverted.

Is it just me, or does it seem that the gov't doesn't think "due process" exists anymore?

Maybe but in this particular case I am not certain that Aaron had any examples of where this was subverted (I did not).

I do have some conflict between what the government should be able to
do and the fact that dumb people are not likely to raise productive members of society.

No. They grow up to go into government.

I am thinking of the ones that don't even get that far, i.e. they are
likely to be supported by the government, or by criminal activity.

If you can convince society to do this, it would be a step in the right direction and would be a way for the government to indirectly control what they do.

Nature does this already. If you have a population that has low death rate fo
children, plenty of food, ability to live comfortably for their whole life, then they will naturally have less children.

This is true. Our birth rate is lower than it used to be, as it is in most
of Europe, for these reasons.

If you have a high death rate for children, low food, inability to live comfortably, then they will have more children - to increase the odds that som
of the children will grow up and be successful enough to support the parents.

Look at the birth rates for various cultures around the world, and compare it with their "ease" of life.

It sounds like this group wants the "ease" of life to be so lacking that
people don't have children... I am not certain there are too many existing examples of this that don't happen during war or famine as it generally
goes against what happens naturally.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

One place I think they are wrong (i.e. the WEF and the interviewee) is that they seem to think that AI will start replacing skilled jobs soon.
I don't know about that. I still think AI is a long way off from
being able to replace the parts of the human experience which are also important in decision making.

They are right, though, but for different reasons.

Setting the Wayback machine for the mid 1990's, my management was giddy over a technology called CASE tools. Short description: You feed business requirements in and the CASE tools kick out code. Finally, moron managers wouldn't have to deal with programmers smarter than them and everyone would be business people.

Ya, that didn't work out. While CASE tools could do some of that, there was a large gap between what they could do and what the business wanted. So programmers were still needed. And since programmers + CASE tools costs more than just programmers, the CASE tools went into the dust bin of history.

But let's assume that the company decided to have programmers plus CASE tools. The CASE tools basically would have replaced the newby programmers. No newby programmers getting experience means that there are no new experienced programmers to pick up the slack in the CASE tools. And, sooner or later, the experienced programmers leave.

AI has the same problem. Yes, it won't be able to replace the years of experience that someone has, but it can automate the lower level parts of some jobs. If it's cheap enough, some companies will do that. That means, over time, fewer people to to the higher levels of the job that the AI can't do since the lower level people can't get the experience to become higher level.

It's sort of what they are doing with the minimum wage increases: Block people from rising up.


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"What do we want so many humans for?" (2023 WEF member from the 1st vid
"We need to reduce the population by 86%" (2023 WEF member from 2nd vid
"Control population so our children can breathe cleaner air and drink c
ter" (2023 Kamala Harris.)

Can you provide a link where Kamala said that?

http://tinyurl.com/298ejw6k

Supposedly, the office of the VP said that "The vice president misspoke." And agree that she probably misspoke, but I believe that it was a Freudian Slip, a
not just a "gaffe." The reason I think that way: Listen to her context! It so
ds a lot like she's talking about "cleaner water" and "cleaner air" for the ch
dren of the elites, especially considering the viewpoints from those other WEF
embers in 2023 (Same year she made that speech.)

I don't think she misspoke. In order to get the things she is talking
about, we will almost certainly need a smaller population. Whoever helped
her with the speech probably knew that.

They do indeed make it sound like they would like the population controlled. Maybe they have so much money now that it doesn't matter, but I wonder who will buy all of the M$, Apple, and other expensive tech crap when they've killed off a good portion of their customer bases? Governments won't need as much of their expensive crap anymore, either, if there are only a few of us left.

That's productive economic thought right there, Mike! Good questions. It seems
ike they won't need so many customers once they bolster an international rulin
class; what's more important to them than customers and money is "cleaner air"
nd "cleaner water," and they'll totally get those things if they control the p
ulation of their customers.

Maybe in their fantasy scenario, they no longer will need a lot of money.


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It sounds like this group wants the "ease" of life to be so lacking
that people don't have children... I am not certain there are too many existing examples of this that don't happen during war or famine as it generally goes against what happens naturally.

In most places, assuming there are enough resources, they want to have lots an
lots of kids. The belief is that most of the kids won't make it to adulthood.

I think these folks are wanting to be sure there are not enough resources.

My assumption is that the parents want someone to help them when they get too old to work. But it could also be just an instinct to keep the species alive.

There is that assumption, and there also are probably still areas where
they need more bodies to help with the daily chores -- hunting, gathering, harvesting -- that keep the family going. Instinct no doubt also plays a
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embers in 2023 (Same year she made that speech.)

I don't think she misspoke. In order to get the things she is talking about, we will almost certainly need a smaller population. Whoever
helped her with the speech probably knew that.

I wish that every voter would take a look at this. It's difficult to pull people out of the "everything is perfectly fine" state of mind.

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

I think these folks are wanting to be sure there are not enough
resources.

It's sort of like getting napkins at a fast food place. If you get 1, you'll need 2. If you get 2 you'll need 3. If you get a whole pile, you'll only need only 1.

There is that assumption, and there also are probably still areas where they need more bodies to help with the daily chores -- hunting,
gathering, harvesting -- that keep the family going. Instinct no doubt also plays a role.

No doubt. But this is one of the problems when these people get to a more prosperous country: They still have 10 kids. In the old country, 8 of them will die before adulthood. But in the prosperous country, 1 might die Couple that with the attitude that a daughter will "leave" the family when she's married, which makes a preference for sons. Having lots of unmarried adult males around is not a good recipe for a society.


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I don't think she misspoke. In order to get the things she is talking about, we will almost certainly need a smaller population. Whoever helped her with the speech probably knew that.

I wish that every voter would take a look at this. It's difficult to pull peopl
out of the "everything is perfectly fine" state of mind.

The problem is that a lot of them would hear it but not listen to it, i.e. they'd have no understanding of why what she says is something to be
concerned about.

Ironically, the smaller population part seems to go against the current
border policies.


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married, which makes a preference for sons. Having lots of unmarried adult males around is not a good recipe for a society.

Why would it be any worse than having a lot of unmarried adult females
around?


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I wish that every voter would take a look at this. It's difficult to pull >peopl
out of the "everything is perfectly fine" state of mind.

The problem is that a lot of them would hear it but not listen to it,
i.e. they'd have no understanding of why what she says is something to be concerned about.

Ironically, the smaller population part seems to go against the current border policies.

Small towns haven't felt the burn yet from the border policies (or lack thereof.) They will. There's no way that 20 million+ unemployable people are going to stick around in expensive cities like NYC, just because it's a "sanctuary city." Obviously once they're here with an invitation from Biden in hand (metaphor) they're going to realize that they don't need to remain in sanctuary cities, and that they absolutely can try out cheaper, smaller towns.

IOW: They're comin for our jewelry! Lock up the safe, and put the safe in a safe! ;)

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

married, which makes a preference for sons. Having lots of unmarried adult males around is not a good recipe for a society.

Why would it be any worse than having a lot of unmarried adult females around?

History has shown us that unmarried men, especially in large groups, tend to turn toward violence. That doesn't happen with women.

In any case, having a balance of both is usually the best outcome.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Small towns haven't felt the burn yet from the border policies (or lack thereof.) They will.

That's one of my concerns right now. These illegals are going somewhere and not all of them are going to "sanctuary cities".

I'm in one of those small towns but I'm near a large Left-run city. Now, it's winter right now, so I'm not real concerned. But as things warm up, I worry that I'll have to keep a loaded gun - just in case.

IOW: They're comin for our jewelry! Lock up the safe, and put the safe
in a safe! ;)

They are coming for our prosperity and they think that they can just take it.


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Small towns haven't felt the burn yet from the border policies (or la thereof.) They will.

That's one of my concerns right now. These illegals are going somewhere and not all of them are going to "sanctuary cities".

I thought the Texas government was going to arrest them all, but no, they're still shipping them to our interior states.

I'm in one of those small towns but I'm near a large Left-run city.
Now, it's winter right now, so I'm not real concerned. But as things
warm up, I worry that I'll have to keep a loaded gun - just in case.

That sounds like a good idea. The media often reports illegals stabbing their victims, so based on their "helpful" clues, a gun seems ideal.

The nearest sanctuary city to me is Syracuse, 1 hour away, but we do have a new under-the-bridge population here in Binghamton that didn't exist prior to Joe's treasonous maneuvers. It's unlikely that a brand new population of not-illegal people would start living under a bridge in freezing temperatures.

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Small towns haven't felt the burn yet from the border policies ( thereof.) They will.

That's one of my concerns right now. These illegals are going somewh and not all of them are going to "sanctuary cities".

Something I forgot to tell you about this is that in NY, the upstate counties (the counties that are far away from NYC) have all made executive orders that prohibit motels/hotels from accepting housing vouchers from NYC (basically refusing to let broke illegals from checking into our local hotels/motels.)

Since your governor sucks, maybe you have a county executive who can save the day by doing something similar.

(Is Detroit a sanctuary city?)

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Small towns haven't felt the burn yet from the border policies (or lack thereo
) They will.

I disagree as I believe small towns along the border most certainly have.


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married, which makes a preference for sons. Having lots of unmarried adult
males around is not a good recipe for a society.

Why would it be any worse than having a lot of unmarried adult females around?

History has shown us that unmarried men, especially in large groups, tend to turn toward violence. That doesn't happen with women.

For the most part, I think this is correct.


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Small towns haven't felt the burn yet from the border policies (or lack thereo
) They will.

I disagree as I believe small towns along the border most certainly have.

I think they are already used to it in border states. They've been complaining about it since before Trump. My state for example: the migrants are all flocking to NYC, so voters in Binghamton don't feel it yet.

I suspect there's some kind of organization of the migrants, preventing them from impacting small towns for now, but after the election it won't matter to the Democrats anymore, and they'll open the flood gates by ending the free hotel vouchers in NYC. Then, the migrants will start to realize that is sucks in NYC and they will hit up the small towns (for our jewelry and hopefully not for our lives.)

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I thought the Texas government was going to arrest them all, but no, they're still shipping them to our interior states.

But if Texas arrests them, then Texas has to care for them.

The Ignorant Elitists declared their cities "sanctuary cities" so it makes sense for Texas to spend the much less to just bus them there.

But the Feds, on the other hand, are shipping many to who-knows-where
in the interior. I believe this is for 3 reasons:
1. To destablize the country as a whole.
2. To mess up the demographics of historical non-Liberal areas.
3. To give an excuse for more federal police in the country - especially in those historically non-liberal areas.

That sounds like a good idea. The media often reports illegals stabbing their victims, so based on their "helpful" clues, a gun seems ideal.

Ya, I've seen too many instances where an illegal assults innocents to take their home, food, etc.

The nearest sanctuary city to me is Syracuse, 1 hour away, but we do
have a new under-the-bridge population here in Binghamton that didn't exist prior to Joe's treasonous maneuvers. It's unlikely that a brand
new population of not-illegal people would start living under a bridge
in freezing temperatures.

Which is why I'm not worried here in Michigan right now. But when summer hits....


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Hello Ron,

married, which makes a preference for sons. Having lots of unmarried

adult

males around is not a good recipe for a society.

Why would it be any worse than having a lot of unmarried adult

females

around?

History has shown us that unmarried men, especially in large groups, tend to
turn toward violence. That doesn't happen with women.

Charlie Manson never murdered anybody. Neither did John Hinckley.
OTOH, Msry Queen of Scots was very bloody. So bloody she got a drink
named after her - Bloody Mary.

In any case, having a balance of both is usually the best outcome.

Worked out great for Charlie Manson and his followers.

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But the Feds, on the other hand, are shipping many to who-knows-where
in the interior. I believe this is for 3 reasons:
1. To destablize the country as a whole.
2. To mess up the demographics of historical non-Liberal areas.
3. To give an excuse for more federal police in the country - especially in those historically non-liberal areas.

The destabilization of the country from the surge of migrants seems convenient for proponents of socialized health care, and for a socialist economy.

Dan Bongino suggested today that: "it's not the votes that they're after, it's the population increase which will lead to more congressional seats that they can easily fill."

It sounds true to me, but Biden's inhumane migrant crisis is beneficial to Democrats in dozens of ways, so it's difficult to pinpoint which benefit they had in mind when they orchestrated this.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

It sounds true to me, but Biden's inhumane migrant crisis is beneficial
to Democrats in dozens of ways, so it's difficult to pinpoint which benefit they had in mind when they orchestrated this.

Back to "this is not the Good Guys vs. Bad Guys, but rather a bunch of Bad Guys fighting over who gets to control everyone."

It's hard to determine who benefits because it may not benefit any particular group. Or it benefits Bad Guy 1, but not Bad Guy 2.

I stopped looking at who it benefits and instead look at who it hurts. If it hurts the American Public in general, then it's a bad thing and the people who caused it are bad.

IHMO: It's mostly a long term demographic change. Too many people in the "fly over" states who can think for themselves.


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It sounds true to me, but Biden's inhumane migrant crisis is beneficial to Demo
rats in dozens of ways, so it's difficult to pinpoint which benefit they had in
mind when they orchestrated this.

But does it really benefit them? Granted some of the folks coming across
the southern border are not from countries south of here, but the Democrats still seem dumbfounded to the fact that Latinos and Hispanics tend to be more family oriented and are not likely to accept any Democrat policies that
they see as eroding the family unit.

It may not work out for them like they hope.


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I stopped looking at who it benefits and instead look at who it hurts.
If it hurts the American Public in general, then it's a bad thing and
the people who caused it are bad.

I'm confident that all Democrats are in on it and that they all get something out of it.

Any Democrats who are "against the migrant surge" are full of it (and a lot of Republicans also.)

But the mind game that they're playing on weak-minded people is they're trying to make them think (for example) that Eric Adams (NYC mayor) is the good guy and that Biden is the bad guy.

There is a breed of humans that doesn't analyze anything, and they're preying on them.

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rats in dozens of ways, so it's difficult to pinpoint which benefit they >in
mind when they orchestrated this.

But does it really benefit them? Granted some of the folks coming across the southern border are not from countries south of here, but the Democrats still seem dumbfounded to the fact that Latinos and Hispanics tend to be more family oriented and are not likely to accept any
Democrat policies that they see as eroding the family unit.

I don't think it's accurate to say that about them. Some of these migrants are hispanic, but many of them are native American indians. Hispanics and native American indians have little in common.

I've heard native American indians complain about illegals, but I've also heard them complain about whites.

But one thing that hispanic migrants and native American migrants have in common is that they walked a thousand miles to get here. They are not likely to support a political party that wishes to deport them.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm confident that all Democrats are in on it and that they all get something out of it.

Any Democrats who are "against the migrant surge" are full of it (and a lot of Republicans also.)

Which is why I call them the "Elitists". The terms "Democrats" and "Republicans" don't accurately label them because there are many in both camps.

There is a breed of humans that doesn't analyze anything, and they're preying on them.

I always see this as proof of the Elitists wrecking the public education system. Too many people are reaching adulthood without critical thinking skills and with a habit of just trusting "experts".


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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

But does it really benefit them? Granted some of the folks coming
across the southern border are not from countries south of here, but
the Democrats still seem dumbfounded to the fact that Latinos and Hispanics tend to be more family oriented and are not likely to accept
any Democrat policies that they see as eroding the family unit.

IHMO, I think the plan is this.

Short term: Illegals can't really hold good jobs. So the Democrats will "help" them. Not really much benefit here, though, other than to destablize areas where a bunch of useless illegals are running around stealing and such.

Medium term: The Elitists will demand that the illegals get the "right" to vote in local elections, which will ensure that Elitists take over local areas. "Vote for me, or the evil Conservatives will take away your aid."

Long term: The children of the illegals, who aren't citizens but have never been in their parent's country, demand citizenship (remember DACA) and have been conditioned to accept the Elitists as their masters.


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There is a breed of humans that doesn't analyze anything, and they're preying on them.

I always see this as proof of the Elitists wrecking the public education system. Too many people are reaching adulthood without critical thinking skills and with a habit of just trusting "experts".

Maybe the schools are contributing to the mindless behavior, but what about all the old people who are also brainwashed?

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I always see this as proof of the Elitists wrecking the public education system. Too many people are reaching adulthood without critical thinking skills and with a habit of just trusting "experts".

Maybe the schools are contributing to the mindless behavior, but what about all the old people who are also brainwashed?

This isn't a new thing. This has been going on for a long time.

Older people were "brainwashed" but in a different way. They grew up in a time when the media WAS trustworthy and wanted to expose things. Quietly, slowly over time, the Elitists infiltrated those media companies. Standard practice. They worked to keep that facade of trustworthiness until Trump ripped it down.

Then there's the "end run" around our BS detectors. If you have 1 person lying to you, you tend not to believe him. But if you have 5 seemingly very different people saying the same lie, you tend to accept the lie. But those 5 seemingly very different people were actually fed the lie from the same person.

Older people tend to have not sought out alternate news and information sources. When you add that to their BS detector bypassed, they don't even try to check things out for themselves (even if they knew how to).

Then there's the problem with many older people: They think that they know more than you and, as one of my college professors once said, "The first step to being smart is knowing what you are dumb at." If you think you know everything, you won't seek out information.


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Long term: The children of the illegals, who aren't citizens but have never been in their parent's country, demand citizenship (remember DACA) and have been conditioned to accept the Elitists as their masters.

The children of an illegal immigrant is a citizen so long as they are born here, which doesn't really make sense but has always been the case.


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There is a breed of humans that doesn't analyze anything, and they'r
preying on them.

I always see this as proof of the Elitists wrecking the public education system. Too many people are reaching adulthood without critical thinking
skills and with a habit of just trusting "experts".

Maybe the schools are contributing to the mindless behavior, but what about al
the old people who are also brainwashed?

Back during the Cold War Nikita Kruschev (sp?) made a threat about how the
USSR would bury the West. While many assumed he meant via war, others took
the threat differently and believe(d) he meant by infiltrating our institutions, like the media, universities, etc.

If the latter group is right, it has been going on for a while now.


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On 08 Jan 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

The children of an illegal immigrant is a citizen so long as they are
born here, which doesn't really make sense but has always been the case.

No it wasn't. It was added in to the 14th Amendment... As you may not know... Amendments 13-14-15 were added in during the Civil War... post civil war as well... They were put in place to codify the gains made during that time in the US...

The Democrats must have been talking about deporting ex-Slaves slaved because the Republicans of the time pushed to add birthright citizenship... Now we have a thing called Anchor babies, where people cross the border to have a baby so that they can work that baby to bring over the family.

I think we need to amend the amendment.... To prevent anchor babies...

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Maybe the schools are contributing to the mindless behavior, but what about all the old people who are also brainwashed?

This isn't a new thing. This has been going on for a long time.

Older people were "brainwashed" but in a different way. They grew up in
a time when the media WAS trustworthy and wanted to expose things. Quietly, slowly over time, the Elitists infiltrated those media
companies. Standard practice. They worked to keep that facade of trustworthiness until Trump ripped it down.

Thanks for explaining that. This is useful to know, because there will be times when I will need to explain this to elderly people. Not that all of them are in the dark, there are some exceptions, like my uncle who is a WWII vet. He said to "Vote for Trump twice if you can!" If most of our voters were veterans, we'd have it made.

Older people tend to have not sought out alternate news and information sources. When you add that to their BS detector bypassed, they don't
even try to check things out for themselves (even if they knew how to).

They watch Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy. (I watch those shows too.) I find it convenient to put the TV on on that channel early so I don't miss the show. Surely the loyal elderly wheel watchers do the same thing, and they inadvertently get propagated by David Muir on ABC World News Tonight when they do it, 5 nights a week.

Then there's the problem with many older people: They think that they
know more than you and, as one of my college professors once said, "The first step to being smart is knowing what you are dumb at." If you
think you know everything, you won't seek out information.

That's good advice. I always tell people "You learn more from listening than by telling" and that "We all learn new things every day no matter how old we get."

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Maybe the schools are contributing to the mindless behavior, but what ab al
the old people who are also brainwashed?

Back during the Cold War Nikita Kruschev (sp?) made a threat about how
the USSR would bury the West. While many assumed he meant via war,
others took the threat differently and believe(d) he meant by
infiltrating our institutions, like the media, universities, etc.

If the latter group is right, it has been going on for a while now.

The Democrats always accuse others of what it is that they are guilty of. It's them who are colluding with Russia, whether directly or inadvertently.

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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

The children of an illegal immigrant is a citizen so long as they are
born here, which doesn't really make sense but has always been the
case.

That is not true. They ended that a long time ago.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Thanks for explaining that. This is useful to know, because there will
be times when I will need to explain this to elderly people.

I've had to do that several times. It's hard for many of them to understand that things have changed. But that seems to be a normal problem for the elderly.

Not that
all of them are in the dark, there are some exceptions, like my uncle
who is a WWII vet. He said to "Vote for Trump twice if you can!" If
most of our voters were veterans, we'd have it made.

They've probably been better trained to pay attention and question things.

Also, surviving being shot at goes a long way toward learning how to "paying attention". :)

That's good advice. I always tell people "You learn more from listening than by telling" and that "We all learn new things every day no matter
how old we get."

Many of those old people are "coasters". They got a job when they were
young, worked it for 30-50 years, grudgingly learning some new stuff, then retiring.

We can't get away with that today.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I think we need to amend the amendment.... To prevent anchor babies...

I need to make some time to verify this, but I thought we already fixed the "anchor baby" loophole. At least to the extent that an illegal couldn't do it.



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On 09 Jan 2024, Ron L. said the following...

I think we need to amend the amendment.... To prevent anchor babies.

I need to make some time to verify this, but I thought we already fixed the "anchor baby" loophole. At least to the extent that an illegal couldn't do it.

Nope... There are illegals crossing the boarder, in labor, to have the baby in the US.

They use to make fun of Trump because he married international women... in 2016 they called him an anchor Husband.

Amendment 14's birthright citizenship, intentions were to prevent the Democrats from deporting the slaves, now is as a loophole.

The only way to fix this is to amend the constitution... Darn that constitution....

AS AN ASIDE... I have mentioned in the past that I have a 13 YO daughter. She has 3 passports... She was born in the Dominican Republic, by birth... Her mother is Dominican so that would have been Birthright had she been born anywhere else. She is a US citizen as well, because of me, this took a little work with the State Department... Because I was a naturalized citizen I had to prove a few things...

Here's the important part... She is a Canadian citizen... Because of me... and this is where things get funky...

There was some funky stuff going on in the Middle East... I know it had something to do with Lebanon... Canada was asked to fly some of their citizens out of a combat area... and they were dismayed to find "A LOT" of them... People became Canadian citizens in the 70's and went back to Lebanon and procreated the hell out of the female population... and they wanted Canada to fly everyone who had genetic ties to the original Canadian citizen.

They flew out a lot of people....

So... what does this mean.... Canada passed a law in 2009 because of this... and if there is a child born in an other country, such as the Dominican Republic, that child will have birthright citizenship but it is NOT passed on to their children.

My daughter is Canadian... but unless she has her babies in Canada her children will not be Canadian. The law passed in 2009 she was born in 2010.

Make a constitutional amendment saying that one of the parents has to be American to gain birthright citizenship... OR... even better they can be a citizen but can't bring their family over...

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The children of an illegal immigrant is a citizen so long as they are born here, which doesn't really make sense but has always been the case.

No it wasn't. It was added in to the 14th Amendment... As you may not know..
Amendments 13-14-15 were added in during the Civil War... post civil war as we
... They were put in place to codify the gains made during that time in the U
..

It has always been the case *during my lifetime*. I know what those
amendments are, just like I know the SCOTUS has previously found them
to be self-executing even though one of us keeps claiming they are not.


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They watch Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy. (I watch those shows too.) I find it
onvenient to put the TV on on that channel early so I don't miss the show. Sur
y the loyal elderly wheel watchers do the same thing, and they inadvertently g
propagated by David Muir on ABC World News Tonight when they do it, 5 nights week.

If they do that, they won't be seeing as much of the newscaster as much as
they will commericals. The last several minutes of most network newscasts
are nothing but commercials and maybe a "feel good" story. The "hard news" is at the beginning of the telecast.


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I think we need to amend the amendment.... To prevent anchor babies...

I need to make some time to verify this, but I thought we already fixed the "anchor baby" loophole. At least to the extent that an illegal couldn't do it

A quick google search results in several hits that question whether or not "birthright citizenship" in the case of an illegal alien parent was ever a given. Sounds a lot more murky than a child born of legal alien residents.


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On 09 Jan 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

It has always been the case *during my lifetime*. I know what those amendments are, just like I know the SCOTUS has previously found them
to be self-executing even though one of us keeps claiming they are not.

Answer this then... WHERE in the constitution does it say Due Process can be suspended??

Please help me understand that!!!

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propagated by David Muir on ABC World News Tonight when they do it, 5 n week.

If they do that, they won't be seeing as much of the newscaster as much
as they will commericals. The last several minutes of most network newscasts are nothing but commercials and maybe a "feel good" story.
The "hard news" is at the beginning of the telecast.

That's a good point, but I swear that every story they've got is rooted in propagation (funny pun!)

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

The only way to fix this is to amend the constitution... Darn that constitution....

I think the real problem is how we write our laws.

Our language is not precise and the Elitists like to "bend" (I'd term it "warp")the meaning of words to mean something else.

But as Bruce Schneier wrote in "Liars and Outliars", there are ALWAYS people who want to bend the rules.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

A quick google search results in several hits that question whether or
not "birthright citizenship" in the case of an illegal alien parent was ever a given. Sounds a lot more murky than a child born of legal alien residents.

Ya, that's why I need to do more research on that (In my copious free time - http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/copious-free-time.html).

I remember the "anchor baby" stuff from a long time ago, and I remember people saying that they were closing that loophole. But that's about it.


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A quick google search results in several hits that question whether or not "birthright citizenship" in the case of an illegal alien parent was ever a given. Sounds a lot more murky than a child born of legal alien residents.

Ya, that's why I need to do more research on that (In my copious free time - http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/copious-free-time.html).

<GRIN> Yeah, sounds like I do also as I thought it was a given but, like
I said, that search brought up stuff that questioned whether or not it was
ever really a given.

I remember the "anchor baby" stuff from a long time ago, and I remember people
saying that they were closing that loophole. But that's about it.

Sounds like, for illegal aliens, that loophole was maybe never as wide as I thought.


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On 10 Jan 2024, Ron L. said the following...

I think the real problem is how we write our laws.

Our language is not precise and the Elitists like to "bend" (I'd term it "warp")the meaning of words to mean something else.

But as Bruce Schneier wrote in "Liars and Outliars", there are ALWAYS people who want to bend the rules.

Some of laws, maybe well intended, but are bastardized by the left... This is how are 3 letter agencies try to run our lives... Interpreting and re-interpreting laws so that Congress doesn't have to make new laws. The federal government needs to be SMALL and do as little as possible...

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| MP> It has always been the case *during my lifetime*. I know what those
| MP> amendments are, just like I know the SCOTUS has previously found them
| MP> to be self-executing even though one of us keeps claiming they are not. | MP>
|
| Answer this then... WHERE in the constitution does it say Due Process can be | suspended??
|
| Please help me understand that!!!
+-[IJ=>MP]

Maybe you need to join Trump's legal team? Unlike you, Trump's team DID
NOT question Due Process when it came to the 14th Amendment. They DID
question whether or not it covered the Office of the President, but not
whether or not Due Process has been given in its use.

Where they DID question Due Process was in regards to the timeline
scheduled for the Colorado district court trial. In the court findings document, the court addresses this question. The trial had to take place
in a timely manner because it had to fall within the timeline of the
election, Trump's team was given an opportunity to request an extended
period (which they declined), and Trump's team did not even use the full
amount of time they were given (they only used 2/3rds of their time).

So the court found that Due Process, in regards to the context of the Trump team question, was satisfied.

I suggest again reading the documents.

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On 10 Jan 2024, MIKE POWELL said the following...

I suggest again reading the documents.

I don't have to... I was listening to lawyers review the audio of the court case today... and I could hear, plain as day, Trump's team talking about due process.

I understand you have TDS... and I feel for you. The problem is this... If we don't pull out of this direction we are going we won't be able to snap out of it.

Florida, and other states, are pulling Biden from their ballots... No due process and they are acting on YouTube videos they saw...

Expect Obama to be sued after killing Americans in Yemen... Of Bush for the 911 fiasco... Maybe we can revisit the Clinton BJ.

The damage may be irreversible.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Some of laws, maybe well intended, but are bastardized by the left...

Yup. Groups have been gaming the system for a long time now.

IHMO: If we wrote our laws in simpler language, along with an intent of what the law is for, it would be harder to game the system.

This is how are 3 letter agencies try to run our lives... Interpreting
and re-interpreting laws so that Congress doesn't have to make new
laws.

That's part of the Deep State. The 3 letter agencies are currently unconstitutional since they are Executive Branch entities, but have been given Legislative authority - which is a direct violation of the Separation of Power.

The federal government needs to be SMALL and do as little as
possible...

Agreed. But since the start, the Elitists have been trying to take it over and grow it. That's what they do.


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MIKE POWELL wrote to IB JOE <=-

Maybe you need to join Trump's legal team? Unlike you, Trump's team
DID NOT question Due Process when it came to the 14th Amendment. They
DID question whether or not it covered the Office of the President, but not whether or not Due Process has been given in its use.

The problem here is that most of us are Arm Chair Lawyers.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I never studied law. I did, however, do very well in history and government in school. I was taught how things are supposed to work in our legal system.

I think that it's very appearant today that our legal system is completely broken. The system does **NOT** work as it's supposed to.

We have wordsmiths warping the meaning of words in the court rooms, in Congress, and in 3 letter agencies. We have people who were just walking through a public building not causing problems getting bigger sentences than military people selling secrets to China. And more.

My point here is that it makes no difference what **we** think about this.
We have been determined to be irrelevant to the Elitists.
The Constitution is being ignored. Laws are being applied unequally.

We have bigger fish to fry than arguing about law that won't be applied equally.


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Maybe you need to join Trump's legal team? Unlike you, Trump's team
DID NOT question Due Process when it came to the 14th Amendment. They DID question whether or not it covered the Office of the President, but not whether or not Due Process has been given in its use.

The problem here is that most of us are Arm Chair Lawyers.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I never studied law. I did, however, do very well in history and government in school. I was taught how things are
supposed to work in our legal system.

I did not study law, either, but did have to take classes where I had to know about legal presedence, and what it meant if a bad presedence was set.

I think that it's very appearant today that our legal system is completely broken. The system does **NOT** work as it's supposed to.

It does appear to be broken, yes. I would prefer it not to become more
broken than it already is.

We have wordsmiths warping the meaning of words in the court rooms, in Congress, and in 3 letter agencies. We have people who were just walking through a public building not causing problems getting bigger sentences than military people selling secrets to China. And more.

As an aside here, some of the video we've seen of people "walking through a building" got there because the Capitol Police were outnumbered and had no choice but to let them go once they got in. They also entered nonpublic areas that day.

"Trump did not advise federal law enforcement agencies that in his speech on January 6, 2021, he was going to instruct the crowd to march to the Capitol.
As a result, law enforcement was not prepared for the attendees at the rally
to descend on the Capitol."

It was also noted that the FBI received tips that a large crowd was going
to descend upon the Capitol, large enough to overwhelm the police presense,
but they apparently did not act on these tips. That is NO surprise to
either of us I am sure.

My point here is that it makes no difference what **we** think about this.
We have been determined to be irrelevant to the Elitists.
The Constitution is being ignored. Laws are being applied unequally.

We have bigger fish to fry than arguing about law that won't be applied equally.

In one of these cases, if they rule that the President has wide enough
immunity that they must be impeached and convicted before they can be tried criminally for any crime, it will be the biggest fish we've had to deal
with in a while.

You and I seem to understand that the laws being applied unequally is not right. Others here are willing to allow for a "get out of jail free" presedence to be applied to Trump, even though that means that applying the
law unequally to all Presidents will become lawful as a result.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

It does appear to be broken, yes. I would prefer it not to become more broken than it already is.

It's already completely broken. I will not settle for "not to become more broken" because it's in an unacceptable state right now.

As an aside here, some of the video we've seen of people "walking
through a building" got there because the Capitol Police were
outnumbered and had no choice but to let them go once they got in. They also entered nonpublic areas that day.

And the newly release video shows those same people responding nicely to officers asking them to leave.

"Trump did not advise federal law enforcement agencies that in his
speech on January 6, 2021, he was going to instruct the crowd to march
to the Capitol. As a result, law enforcement was not prepared for the attendees at the rally to descend on the Capitol."

Narrative. Sorry, but everyone knew that was going to happen. And Trump even offered military support - which was turned down because this whole event was staged.

In one of these cases, if they rule that the President has wide enough immunity that they must be impeached and convicted before they can be tried criminally for any crime, it will be the biggest fish we've had
to deal with in a while.

I don't understand that. The Constitution says that a sitting President must be impeached before being held accoutable. Trump was impeached, several times, and all failed.

Right now, Trump is being harassed in courts over things he supposedly did not as President, and over things that he should have had immunity from.

But I can tell you right now that if the court rules that Trump didn't have immunity, then Osama... Obama didn't have immunity either and can be tried as well. So I don't think you'll see the Elitists push that too much.

You and I seem to understand that the laws being applied unequally is
not right. Others here are willing to allow for a "get out of jail
free" presedence to be applied to Trump, even though that means that applying the law unequally to all Presidents will become lawful as a result.

I'm not seeing what you are getting at here. Who is asking for a "get out of jail free" card for Trump? No one that I can see.

And no one is asking that Trump be treated differently. The ask is for Trump to be treated the same. So far, Trump has been treated completely different from any other President in history.


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In one of these cases, if they rule that the President has wide enough immunity that they must be impeached and convicted before they can be tried criminally for any crime, it will be the biggest fish we've had
to deal with in a while.

I don't understand that. The Constitution says that a sitting President must be impeached before being held accoutable. Trump was impeached, several times
and all failed.

They must be impeached if it is something he did as an official duty. His
law team has now argued that he cannot be charged of anything in a criminal court if he is not impeached, including assassination of political rivals, selling pardons, and selling military secrets.

His dumbass lawyer, when asked if those things were covered by the
immunity they claim, agreed.

But I can tell you right now that if the court rules that Trump didn't have immunity, then Osama... Obama didn't have immunity either and can be tried as well. So I don't think you'll see the Elitists push that too much.

Based on their horrible arguments, I don't think they will rule in Trump's favor. If Obama did something outright illegal and not a part of his
official duties, he should face trial.

You and I seem to understand that the laws being applied unequally is not right. Others here are willing to allow for a "get out of jail free" presedence to be applied to Trump, even though that means that applying the law unequally to all Presidents will become lawful as a result.

I'm not seeing what you are getting at here. Who is asking for a "get out of jail free" card for Trump? No one that I can see.

And no one is asking that Trump be treated differently. The ask is for Trump to be treated the same. So far, Trump has been treated completely different from any other President in history.

No, they are now asking for all Presidents to be treated differently than everyone else. Trump's dumbass lawyer, in his immunity trial, in
trying to get him immunity before his March 4 attempt to overturn election trial, agreed with the judge's hypothetical suggestions that a President could have his political rivals assassinated, sell secrets, and sell pardons and could only be held accountable if the Senate impeaches him.

The lawyer agreed that a President could only be held accountable if he is impeached and convicted by the Senate while still in office. During Trump's last impeachment, his lawyers argued successfully that a former President couldn't be impeached, so...

Concrete evidence is found proving that Obama sold secrets to
China? The level of immunity that Trump's team is claiming means no impeachment while holding office = never held accountable.

Concrete evidence that the Clintons had political rivals killed while Bill
was President? They can go after Hillary but Bill cannot be tried because
he was never impeached for it.

Biden sells a bunch of pardons on his last day in office? So what.

That is not right, and would indeed lead to a "get out of jail free" card
for all past and future Presidents -- not just Trump.

Sorry but arguing, or having your lawyers argue while you sit right there,
that US Presidents can do everything that an absolute ruler can do and get
away with it if the Senate goes along with it, rules you out as
Presidential material. It is wrong no matter who we are talking about... elitist, lefty, conservative, Republican, Democrat, Unipartist, Trump, Biden, whoever.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

They must be impeached if it is something he did as an official duty.
His law team has now argued that he cannot be charged of anything in a criminal court if he is not impeached, including assassination of political rivals, selling pardons, and selling military secrets.

Oh, like the stuff we now know that Biden actually did?

No, they are now asking for all Presidents to be treated differently
than everyone else.

No, they aren't. They are asking that the law be applied equally.

And I am now sure that you are just parroting the Narrative.


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