• Disinfo Board

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Friday, April 29, 2022 03:13:48
    Do we need a "disinformation board?"

    Everyone knows what that's about; they don't want us to know the truth about stuff, they don't want us to speculate, and they want us to believe whatever the media says.

    Obama was angered by the 2020 election; he was angry because half of America voted for Trump. He was irritated with how the media's brainwashing campaign still sorta failed (despite Biden's victory.)

    How can we help Obama (and other members of the Reptilian Brotherhood) overcome their anguish? By silencing naysayers of the media!

    It's fine to put up a sign depicting Nancy Pelosi sitting on a heat rock, but if you start asking questions about covid origins, *on the internet* then you're a threat to the ruling class.

    Could this be the end of telnet BBSing? Maybe! But those slimy creatures won't be able to stop Fidonet unless they rip out all the phone lines.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, April 29, 2022 17:08:00
    Could this be the end of telnet BBSing? Maybe! But those slimy creatures won't
    be able to stop Fidonet unless they rip out all the phone lines.

    I must have missed something. No one here recently tried to shut off
    access due to opinions about COVID.

    Now I don't doubt that some folks have been censored on Facebook and
    Twitter, etc.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 29, 2022 23:04:16
    Could this be the end of telnet BBSing? Maybe! But those slimy creatures won't
    be able to stop Fidonet unless they rip out all the phone lines.

    I must have missed something. No one here recently tried to shut off access due to opinions about COVID.

    "The goal is to bring the resources of (DHS) together
    to address this threat," Mayorkas said during the hearing, adding that the department is focused on the spread of disinformation in minority communities ahead of the 2022 midterm elections.

    Reptilian-to-human translation: "We don't want to lose any black votes."

    But they totally will... :)

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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 30, 2022 02:26:02
    on *29.04.22* at *3:13:48* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *All* about *"Disinfo Board"*.

    Do we need a "disinformation board?"

    Everyone knows what that's about; they don't want us to know the truth about stuff, they don't want us to speculate, and they want us to believe whatever the media says.

    Obama was angered by the 2020 election; he was angry because half of America voted for Trump. He was irritated with how the media's brainwashing campaign still sorta failed (despite Biden's victory.)

    How can we help Obama (and other members of the Reptilian Brotherhood) overcome their anguish? By silencing naysayers of the media!

    It's fine to put up a sign depicting Nancy Pelosi sitting on a heat rock, but if you start asking questions about covid origins, on the internet then you're a threat to the ruling class.

    Could this be the end of telnet BBSing? Maybe! But those slimy creatures won't be able to stop Fidonet unless they rip out all the phone lines.

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    It shouldn't affect Fidonet. I saw the censorship regime coming, and that was why I rejoined Fidonet after all these years of absence.

    The censorship can work on the internet because there are 4 or 5 huge companies who have actually been asking for this, along with all of the major media outlets. There are no centralized chokepoints on Fidonet who would be willing to do the government's bidding.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, April 30, 2022 09:40:00
    "The goal is to bring the resources of (DHS) together
    to address this threat," Mayorkas said during the hearing, adding that the department is focused on the spread of disinformation in minority communities ahead of the 2022 midterm elections.

    Reptilian-to-human translation: "We don't want to lose any black votes."

    But they totally will... :)

    Yeah, I saw that right after I posted asking you what you meant. :)

    Someone on YT has strung together some Q and A from the Psaki press
    conferences over the past couple of years. When social media platforms
    were censoring, then banning, President Trump and others, and the press was asking her about that, she was very consistent about how those are private companies and it is not the Federal Government's job to tell them what to
    do. Along, of course, with a lot of grins and reminders that Trump is
    "former President."

    The last footage was from a couple of pressers during and after the Musk takeover of Twitter. Amazingly (not), all of the very consistent talk
    about private companies and "not the Federal Government's job" suddenly
    changed to how the administration is concerned and that they were
    formulating a plan of action.

    It was all fun and games so long as administration-friendly people were
    running all of the big social media platforms. Truth was small potatoes
    and not a problem. Now that someone who wants a place for "free speech" is
    in charge of one of the larger platforms, it is suddenly the government's
    job to do something about social media "disinformation."

    As a certain poster here will often point out, "Rules for thee but not for me..."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AL THOMPSON on Saturday, April 30, 2022 09:42:00
    The censorship can work on the internet because there are 4 or 5 huge companies
    who have actually been asking for this, along with all of the major media outle
    s. There are no centralized chokepoints on Fidonet who would be willing to do >he government's bidding.

    You are correct, at least about Z1, that there currently are not any
    central chokepoints who would be likely to do so. If there were to become
    any, there are other places that won't.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Al Thompson on Saturday, April 30, 2022 14:27:17
    The censorship can work on the internet because there are 4 or 5 huge companies who have actually been asking for this, along with all of the major media outlets. There are no centralized chokepoints on Fidonet
    who would be willing to do the government's bidding.

    That's fine for us BBS people, but the majority of the world is going to stick with Facebook, because that's what the Biden regime allows.

    Facebook has a special button for liberals to press when they see something that goes against the Democrat grain.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, April 30, 2022 14:48:17
    It was all fun and games so long as administration-friendly people were running all of the big social media platforms. Truth was small potatoes and not a problem. Now that someone who wants a place for "free speech" is in charge of one of the larger platforms, it is suddenly the government's job to do something about social media "disinformation."

    Exactly! And so far I haven't heard a decent explanation of why this "disinformation board" is suddenly so necessary. Psaki also has yet to explain what is meant by "disinformation."

    Have you or someone you know been impacted by "internet disinformation?" Could it be worse than covid? There's more white house focus on internet disinformation than there is on combating covid.

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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 30, 2022 21:04:39
    on *30.04.22* at *14:48:17* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *Mike Powell* about *"Re: Disinfo Board"*.


    Exactly! And so far I haven't heard a decent explanation of why this "disinformation board" is suddenly so necessary. Psaki also has yet to explain what is meant by "disinformation."

    "Disinformation" is anything that doesn't align with the administration's goal.

    Two glaring recent examples would be the banning of any discussion which hinted that Covid might have been a result of a lab leak.

    Or ALL articles which mentioned Hunter Biden's laptop being removed, and the Washington Post even being banned after they posted an article with some of the facts.

    And hundreds or thousands of videos have been removed from Youtube which questioned St. Fauci or the vaccine.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 30, 2022 21:05:43
    Exactly! And so far I haven't heard a decent explanation of why this "disinformation board" is suddenly so necessary. Psaki also has yet to explain what is meant by "disinformation."

    Have you or someone you know been impacted by "internet disinformation?" Could it be worse than covid? There's more white house focus on internet disinformation than there is on combating covid.

    Here is what Tulsi Gabbard has to say about it:

    https://youtu.be/pbk5KghrD3I

    The short of it is that the only thing she likes about it is that at least the administration is finally showing their true selves. Otherwise, she equates it to the propaganda ministries that several dictatorships have and/or have had in the past.

    That circles us back to:

    2016-2020: Trump had no Ministry of Truth, or Disinformation Board, or whatever we want to call it. Free speech is pretty much a thing, which also causes lots of feelings to get hurt as Trump exercised his freedom more than he probably should have.

    The peanut gallery: "Trump is a dictator and a fascist!"

    2022: Biden administration, who initially says that it is not the government's business to interfere with private businesses that control social media platforms, and that they are free to censor whomever they want, forms a "Disinformation Board," after someone buys one of these companies and announces publicly that it should be an open forum with **free speech** a priority.

    The peanut gallery: <crickets> (probably because free speech, you know, hurts their feelings).

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 30, 2022 21:08:01
    The censorship can work on the internet because there are 4 or 5 huge companies who have actually been asking for this, along with all of the major media outlets. There are no centralized chokepoints on Fidonet who would be willing to do the government's bidding.

    That's fine for us BBS people, but the majority of the world is going to stick with Facebook, because that's what the Biden regime allows.

    He has not disallowed BBSing, probably because they don't see it as a big threat, much like Truth Social is no big threat.

    Facebook has a special button for liberals to press when they see something that goes against the Democrat grain.

    Synchronet has upvote and downvote capabilities, and you can unsubscribe (unfollow) from any echo you don't like. If you are real smart, you can use QWK mail and set up a twit filter in the Multimail reader.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, May 01, 2022 10:16:00
    Exactly! And so far I haven't heard a decent explanation of why this "disinformation board" is suddenly so necessary. Psaki also has yet to explain
    what is meant by "disinformation."

    Well, the lady who is in charge of this new board (I don't remember her
    name), apparently released a Tik Tok video where she sings a jingle about
    what disinformation is. Although I don't know if she meant for it to come
    off this way, but the gist of it is that "disinformation" = whatever the government says it is.

    So if they want you to know something, or do something, and someone else
    speaks out against that (and maybe with good reason!), that person is
    spreading "disinformation."

    An example would be back about a year or so ago when Psaki called the
    Hunter Biden laptop "Russian" fake news. Turns out now that the laptop does indeed exist. So, who was spreading actual disinformation there, keeping
    in mind that the government wanted you to think it was the NY Post and the "Russians" who were doing so?

    Have you or someone you know been impacted by "internet disinformation?" Could
    it be worse than covid? There's more white house focus on internet disinformation than there is on combating covid.

    Well, I am not 100% sure where it comes from, but I do have an in-law who
    seems fairly smart but believes some things that I think are
    "disinformation" when it comes to things like COVID. I know where she gets
    it from (her daughters, who believe that all vaxes cause Autism and a range
    of other bad things), but I don't know where they got that information
    from. Seems like the vaxes = autism thing has been going around long
    before people started getting all their news from social media, and also
    seems to affect people who would be offended if you threw them into the
    "Trump voter" category, so I cannot say.

    Other than that, I personally don't know anyone who has been seriously
    impacted by internet/social media "disinformation." That said, now that
    there is a "disinformation board," I have no doubt at all that many will be impacted by "disinformation."

    P.S. You can find the above referenced Tik Tok video on YouTube.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Al Thompson on Sunday, May 01, 2022 16:10:52
    "Disinformation" is anything that doesn't align with the
    administration's goal.

    Are you sure they won't be targeting stories like "Trump-Russia Collusion?" ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, May 01, 2022 20:45:27
    The short of it is that the only thing she likes about it is that at
    least the administration is finally showing their true selves.
    Otherwise, she equates it to the propaganda ministries that several dictatorships have and/or have had in the past.

    Yes, Tulsi said it perfectly. Something she didn't mention though: Look at how full of it the Biden admin has been about their "initiatives." Remember when they said they were going to go door-to-door with vaccines? That never happened. The insane radicals who construct this administration have a
    colorful wishlist, and they often share their horrible plans with us, but then they never even carry them out.

    More than likely, one of Joe's bosses got a little too excited about Musk's Twitter purchase and over-reacted. "Joe, please tell everyone that we're gonna crack down on non-narrative stuff on the internet.." <- It's not gonna happen.

    Even if they found a way to control the exchange of ideas over the internet domestically, they couldn't suppress the rest of the world. (Now would be a perfect time for a foreigner to build a social network to facilitate us.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, May 01, 2022 20:47:59
    Synchronet has upvote and downvote capabilities, and you can unsubscribe (unfollow) from any echo you don't like. If you are real smart, you can use QWK mail and set up a twit filter in the Multimail reader.

    There's the answer to Joe's problem right there: If you don't like something, don't read it! They're just flexing their socialist muscles a bit, enjoying
    the last few months of their heyday.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, May 01, 2022 21:24:29
    Well, the lady who is in charge of this new board (I don't remember her name), apparently released a Tik Tok video where she sings a jingle about what disinformation is. Although I don't know if she meant for it to
    come off this way, but the gist of it is that "disinformation" =
    whatever the government says it is.

    Nina Jankowicz. She said "we should view [the laptop] as a Trump campaign product." Of course she's full of it, but she's great at lying with a straight face - just like Psaki. Team players.

    Other than that, I personally don't know anyone who has been seriously impacted by internet/social media "disinformation." That said, now that there is a "disinformation board," I have no doubt at all that many will be impacted by "disinformation."

    Your prediction will be accurate. I don't know anyone who's specifically been victimized by internet disinformation either, but I know a handful of victims of what I'll call media disinformation. We should ask congress for a
    television media disinformation board. That's where the bulk of the lies about covid originate.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, May 02, 2022 08:16:14
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Yes, Tulsi said it perfectly. Something she didn't mention though: Look
    at how full of it the Biden admin has been about their "initiatives." Remember when they said they were going to go door-to-door with
    vaccines? That never happened. The insane radicals who construct this administration have a colorful wishlist, and they often share their horrible plans with us, but then they never even carry them out.

    That's mainly because the Left only knows how to destroy.

    So, using your door-to-door example, if there was already a process in place to go door-to-door and give vaccines, the Left would have used it.

    But because there was no such process in place already, the Left would have needed to create it - and they are incapable of doing so.

    Even if they found a way to control the exchange of ideas over the internet domestically, they couldn't suppress the rest of the world.
    (Now would be a perfect time for a foreigner to build a social network
    to facilitate us.)

    Many of those companies already store data in off short data centers. So they enacted the Cloud Act. Never mind what it allows today, the Left will find a judge to twist it to mean whatever they want tomorrow.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, May 02, 2022 16:00:00
    Yes, Tulsi said it perfectly. Something she didn't mention though: Look at how
    full of it the Biden admin has been about their "initiatives." Remember when they said they were going to go door-to-door with vaccines? That never happened.

    It never happened here but, then again, I don't think I live in an area
    that would really be on their radar for any such initiatives.

    The insane radicals who construct this administration have a
    colorful wishlist, and they often share their horrible plans with us, but then
    they never even carry them out.

    True, but sometimes they do carry out some of the more horrible sounding
    ones.

    More than likely, one of Joe's bosses got a little too excited about Musk's Twitter purchase and over-reacted. "Joe, please tell everyone that we're gonna
    crack down on non-narrative stuff on the internet.." <- It's not gonna happen.

    Let's hope you are correct.

    Even if they found a way to control the exchange of ideas over the internet domestically, they couldn't suppress the rest of the world. (Now would be a perfect time for a foreigner to build a social network to facilitate us.)

    They probably would not try to suppress the rest of it. They need a
    scapegoat to blame things on when things don't go their way....
    "<insert contry name here> collusion made us lose..."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, May 02, 2022 16:02:00
    Your prediction will be accurate. I don't know anyone who's specifically been victimized by internet disinformation either, but I know a handful of victims of what I'll call media disinformation. We should ask congress for a television media disinformation board. That's where the bulk of the lies about
    covid originate.

    The media in general used to be mostly responsible because they could not afford not to be. Now, some of the TV and print media only regurgitate
    what they have read on social media/the internet, which is very not responsible.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Monday, May 02, 2022 16:13:59
    So, using your door-to-door example, if there was already a process in place to go door-to-door and give vaccines, the Left would have used it.

    But because there was no such process in place already, the Left would have needed to create it - and they are incapable of doing so.

    They're reluctant to waste money on the American people. Have you ever seen a snake do something nice for a human? Dogs & cats like to cuddle. But turtles, snakes, and aligators are self-centered; they don't even care for their young ones. No "I caught a mouse for ya," just dead, starring eyes, waiting for you to let your guard down, so they can pull you under the water.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 07:59:39
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They're reluctant to waste money on the American people. Have you ever seen a snake do something nice for a human? Dogs & cats like to cuddle. But turtles, snakes, and aligators are self-centered; they don't even
    care for their young ones. No "I caught a mouse for ya," just dead, starring eyes, waiting for you to let your guard down, so they can pull you under the water.

    I've often thought that Lefties are closer to animals than humans.

    Many of them like animals more than they do their fellow humans.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 00:15:31
    I've often thought that Lefties are closer to animals than humans.

    Many of them like animals more than they do their fellow humans.

    You might be on to something.

    I like animals, but I don't like to keep animals in my home as pets.

    My wife (major conservative woman) don't like animals in the house either. In fact, I've never even seen her pet a dog before.

    Are there any conservative dog-lovers??

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 07:51:42
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You might be on to something.

    I like animals, but I don't like to keep animals in my home as pets.

    My wife (major conservative woman) don't like animals in the house
    either. In fact, I've never even seen her pet a dog before.

    Are there any conservative dog-lovers??

    Oh, ya. They tend to treat their dogs like members of the family.

    Unlike Lefties, though, their dogs tend to act more civilized. Whereas Lefties tend to act more like their dogs.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 15:36:00
    My wife (major conservative woman) don't like animals in the house either. In fact, I've never even seen her pet a dog before.

    Are there any conservative dog-lovers??

    I know several who like animals to varying degrees. I like other people's
    dogs but, like you, don't want them in the house and don't really want one
    of my own (I don't think I would give it enough attention).

    I know other conservatives/Republicans who have pets, including dogs
    indoors. I also know one, my father's wife, who does not seem to like
    animals at all and especially dogs. She does not hate them, but she does
    not like being approached by them.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 23:08:39
    animals at all and especially dogs. She does not hate them, but she does not like being approached by them.

    I forgot about military vets with dogs that help with PTSD, and cops with K-9 dogs. I don't think any veterans or police are liberal (why would they be?)

    I can relate to your dad's wife. Dogs are cute, and they do good deeds, but they get awfully stinky when they get wet, they get hair all over everything, they bark too much, they destroy stuff, and if they get hungry enough, they'll eat ya ;)

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:45:11
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    |03on |1104 May 22 15:36:00|03.

    My wife (major conservative woman) don't like animals in the house either. I fact, I've never even seen her pet a dog before.

    Are there any conservative dog-lovers??

    I know several who like animals to varying degrees. I like other people's dogs but, like you, don't want them in the house and don't really want one of my own (I don't think I would give it enough attention).

    I know other conservatives/Republicans who have pets, including dogs indoors. I also know one, my father's wife, who does not seem to like animals at all and especially dogs. She does not hate them, but she does not like being approached by them.


    i'm not democrat so i guess that makes me conservative to democrats.

    i'd like to have a dog but we have a bunch of cats.
    i have fish that i've been breeding for years and I have rats.

    another thing is when i was a kid i had to give up my dog when we moved and he was my best friend. i wouldn't want to do that ever again.

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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 05:21:05
    on *01.05.22* at *20:45:27* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *Mike Powell* about *"Re: Disinfo Board"*.

    Even if they found a way to control the exchange of ideas over the internet domestically, they couldn't suppress the rest of the world.

    Not overtly, perhaps. But I don't doubt that they would supress as much as they could, and put out propaganda to counter anything they don't like.

    If you don't think that a government can influence topics in other counties, you should look at the influence China has over our media, sports, and entertainment industries.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, May 05, 2022 10:35:41
    I forgot about military vets with dogs that help with PTSD, and cops with dogs. I don't think any veterans or police are liberal (why would they be?


    i've actually seen a lot of liberal veterans on facebook. they are usually screwballs.

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  • From Tom Kisner to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 05, 2022 11:15:40
    Re: Re: Disinfo Board
    By: Jas Hud to Aaron Thomas on Thu May 05 2022 10:35 am

    I forgot about military vets with dogs that help with PTSD, and cops
    with dogs. I don't think any veterans or police are liberal (why
    would they be?

    i've actually seen a lot of liberal veterans on facebook. they are usually screwballs.

    Yes, I've seen liberal vetrans and I'm friends with a couple on Facebook-they are in the minority but they are around. Now police is another thing - I don't see *any* where I live, but I know in more liberal areas of the country more are. The whole "defund the police" movement must has thrown them for a loop. Same thing with the feminists that disagreed with the Trans stuff. Lifetime liberals suddenly shunned and called murderers and bigots.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Tom Kisner on Thursday, May 05, 2022 13:18:12
    Yes, I've seen liberal vetrans and I'm friends with a couple on Facebook-t are in the minority but they are around. Now police is another thing - I don't see *any* where I live, but I know in more liberal areas of the coun more are. The whole "defund the police" movement must has thrown them for loop. Same thing with the feminists that disagreed with the Trans stuff. Lifetime liberals suddenly shunned and called murderers and bigots. ---------------------------------------------------------


    yeah i don't think there's many liberal police. or if there are, they are
    quiet about it.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:41:00
    animals at all and especially dogs. She does not hate them, but she does
    not like being approached by them.

    I forgot about military vets with dogs that help with PTSD, and cops with K-9 dogs. I don't think any veterans or police are liberal (why would they be?)

    We have at least one vet on here that is certainly not conservative. Don't know his view on pets.

    I can relate to your dad's wife. Dogs are cute, and they do good deeds, but they get awfully stinky when they get wet, they get hair all over everything, they bark too much, they destroy stuff, and if they get hungry enough, they'll
    eat ya ;)

    I honestly think she is afraid that they will knock her over.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:44:00
    I know other conservatives/Republicans who have pets, including dogs indoors. I also know one, my father's wife, who does not seem to like animals at all and especially dogs. She does not hate them, but she does not like being approached by them.

    i'm not democrat so i guess that makes me conservative to democrats.

    I am in the same boat and I am 100% certain it does. :)

    i'd like to have a dog but we have a bunch of cats.
    i have fish that i've been breeding for years and I have rats.

    That is a lot of animals.

    another thing is when i was a kid i had to give up my dog when we moved and he
    was my best friend. i wouldn't want to do that ever again.

    Yeah, I had a pet turtle when I was a kid and it was upsetting when it
    died. Also upsetting when my grandparents or aunts had a dog or cat that I
    got attached to that either died, ran away, or "went to live on a farm." :)

    I have a family member who cut most of the rest of the family off. They
    had a dog that I was very attached to, and it loved to come visit. I
    missed the dog a lot more than the family member.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AL THOMPSON on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:46:00
    If you don't think that a government can influence topics in other counties, y
    should look at the influence China has over our media, sports, and entertainm
    t industries.

    Indeed.

    For that matter, the influence that the US apparently has over several non-American FIDO posters.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Al Thompson on Friday, May 06, 2022 08:38:17
    Al Thompson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    Even if they found a way to control the exchange of ideas over the internet domestically, they couldn't suppress the rest of the world.

    Not overtly, perhaps. But I don't doubt that they would supress as much
    as they could, and put out propaganda to counter anything they don't
    like.

    That's the usual take. They can't keep the facts under wraps indefinitely.

    Suppressing the facts on the "big" media platforms creates the impression that the facts are "conspiracy" - which feeds into the propaganda. (That's one of the reasons you almost never hear on the "news" of people using legally owned firearms to defend themselves. The media wants to push the Narrative that no one needs to own a gun.)

    Once you get enough elites and other ignorant people to accept the Narrative, it becomes self-supporting.

    The elites won't accept the idea that they were wrong, so they will keep pushing the Narrative, along with their "credentials" (usually "I'm in expert in AreaA, so that makes me an expert in completely unrelated AreaB."). The ignorant have been trained to blindly accept what the "experts" say.

    Now you have a large number of people who actively smack down anything that goes against the Narrative. That makes it much harder for actual experts to speak the truth.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Saturday, May 07, 2022 00:22:00
    On 05-06-22 08:38, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Al Thompson about Re: Disinfo Board <=-

    Suppressing the facts on the "big" media platforms creates the
    impression that the facts are "conspiracy" - which feeds into the propaganda. (That's one of the reasons you almost never hear on the "news" of people using legally owned firearms to defend themselves.
    The media wants to push the Narrative that no one needs to own a gun.)

    Why would the conservative media supress that sort of news? Why don't
    you hear it on those sources?

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  • From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sunday, May 08, 2022 13:41:00
    propaganda. (That's one of the reasons you almost never hear on the "news" of people using legally owned firearms to defend themselves.
    The media wants to push the Narrative that no one needs to own a gun.)

    Why would the conservative media supress that sort of news? Why don't
    you hear it on those sources?

    Come to think of it, I am not sure I have heard such a story on FOX News
    but, then again, I don't watch TV news networks that much. That kind of
    story usually winds up on the local news, though, and I have also read
    about them in print magazines that I would not consider to be left-leaning.

    Mike


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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to MIKE POWELL on Monday, May 09, 2022 22:54:52
    on *08.05.22* at *13:41:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *DALE SHIPP* about *"Re: Disinfo Board"*.

    propaganda. (That's one of the reasons you almost never hear on the
    "news" of people using legally owned firearms to defend themselves.
    The media wants to push the Narrative that no one needs to own a
    gun.)

    Why would the conservative media supress that sort of news? Why don't
    you hear it on those sources?

    Come to think of it, I am not sure I have heard such a story on FOX News but, then again, I don't watch TV news networks that much. That kind of story usually winds up on the local news, though, and I have also read about them in print magazines that I would not consider to be left-leaning.

    I only watch local news, because I figure it's good to have an idea of the weather, traffic and road problems, etc. I think most of our local news is fairly unbiased. I've heard several stories of local people defending themselves or someone with a firearm.

    I don't think it's possible to get unbiased national news. I watch France 24, BBC News, and DW News for international news. None of those three are perfect, but they are far better than CNN/MSNBC/ABC.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AL THOMPSON on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 16:08:00
    I only watch local news, because I figure it's good to have an idea of the wea
    er, traffic and road problems, etc. I think most of our local news is fairly biased. I've heard several stories of local people defending themselves or so
    one with a firearm.

    I think our local news is mostly unbiased also, especially the stations
    from the smaller of the two markets that I live in between. Back about 20
    or so years ago, some of the stations in the larger market (or maybe just certain anchors) tried showing bias, maybe as a way to try to keep up with
    the cable news outlets. They seemed to have stopped that several years ago
    and have mostly gone back to being dependable.

    I also hear several stories of local people defending themselves with
    firearms and not being charged because (1) it was self defense, and (2) the firearm was legally purchased by the person/family that used it (i.e. it
    was not stolen).


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