It's hard to trust anyone besides Trump. These other guys just emerged
from out of nowhere. Trump can't even get a decent running mate because everyone just sucks so bad.

Which ones do you think emerged from out of nowhere? There are some I'd
not heard of before, but most of them have held office before and some for
a while. They are known entities to many.


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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

It's hard to trust anyone besides Trump. These other guys just emerged from out of nowhere. Trump can't even get a decent running mate because everyone just sucks so bad.

Which ones do you think emerged from out of nowhere? There are some
I'd not heard of before, but most of them have held office before and
some for a while. They are known entities to many.

Perception plays a part. Vivek, for example, doesn't get much MSM air time (or didn't until recently). So he looks like he just "emerged out of nowhere" if you weren't watching other sources of news.

But sometimes they really do appear out of nowhere. In our last Gov election in Michigan, we were paying attention to the candidates. Then in the month before the election this Tudor Dixon magically appears and grabs a bunch of of the Rep votes - just enough to pull the other candidates down and let the incumbent traitor/tyrant "win".


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Perception plays a part. Vivek, for example, doesn't get much MSM air time

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didn't until recently). So he looks like he just "emerged out of nowhere" if you weren't watching other sources of news.

He is the only one I can think of that I didn't really know much about beforehand... at least out of the serious contenders. He does seem smart,
and well spoken.

But sometimes they really do appear out of nowhere. In our last Gov election in Michigan, we were paying attention to the candidates. Then in the month before the election this Tudor Dixon magically appears and grabs a bunch of

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the Rep votes - just enough to pull the other candidates down and let the incumbent traitor/tyrant "win".

I know that happens. In the case of Michigan, I would not doubt the possibility that Dixon's magical appearance did exactly what it was
intended to.


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Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

He is the only one I can think of that I didn't really know much about beforehand... at least out of the serious contenders. He does seem
smart, and well spoken.

Ya, I like him. He doesn't have the presence of Trump, but he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and his platform isn't "take from the 'rich' and give to the poor".

I know that happens. In the case of Michigan, I would not doubt the possibility that Dixon's magical appearance did exactly what it was intended to.

That was my take on it too.


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It's hard to trust anyone besides Trump. These other guys just MP> MP> AT> AT> emerged
from out of nowhere. Trump can't even get a decent running mate MP> MP> AT> AT> becaus
everyone just sucks so bad.

Which ones do you think emerged from out of nowhere? There are some I'd not heard of before, but most of them have held office before and some
for a while. They are known entities to many.

I never heard of Vivek Ramaswamy until now. That doesn't mean that I don't like him, but where did he come from? Why does he want to be president all of a sudden? I'm suspicious about how "wonderful" he is, because only Democrats know how to present themselves in such a convincing way.

The other candidates, well I've heard of them, but why do they want to be president all of a sudden? They haven't done enough to prove themselves, and I'm willing to bet that we'll have buyer's remorse later down the road with any of them.

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On 07-21-23 16:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Ib Joe about Re: GARLAND IMPEACHMENT <=-

The leftists are still leftists - I don't think that
moderates are a real thing. A headline reading "Trump
partners with former Democrat" would frustrate me.

Moderates like me are a real thing. I also think that if we could get statistics on where voters placed themselves, it would divide equally
among liberals, moderates and conservatives.

Dale Shipp
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Moderates like me are a real thing. I also think that if we could get statistics on where voters placed themselves, it would divide equally among liberals, moderates and conservatives.

I like what I'm hearing from everyone about "moderates."

Do you know other people who you'd consider "moderate?" I just don't see them anywhere (except for you.) But of course not everyone tells me their political beliefs.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

I never heard of Vivek Ramaswamy until now.

Unless you've been watching alternate news sources, you probably won't have heard of him. MSM hasn't given him any air time until recently.

That doesn't mean that I
don't like him, but where did he come from? Why does he want to be president all of a sudden? I'm suspicious about how "wonderful" he is, because only Democrats know how to present themselves in such a
convincing way.

I don't know if I'd call him "wonderful", but he is well spoken, talks the anti-Woke talkin points and seems very intelligent.

But I understand your suspicion. After the diaster of Tudor Dixon here in Michigan, I'm very leery about "magic" candidates on the Republican side.

I still think that Tudor was an Elitist plant to pull votes away from better Republican candidates that would have made it much harder for the Dems to cheat in the last election.

The other candidates, well I've heard of them, but why do they want to
be president all of a sudden?

Sometimes just to get exposure for other offices in the future.


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I never heard of Vivek Ramaswamy until now. That doesn't mean that I don't

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him, but where did he come from? Why does he want to be president all of a

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n? I'm suspicious about how "wonderful" he is, because only Democrats know

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o present themselves in such a convincing way.

Of the ones that have a following, he is the one I was not so familiar with.
As for Democrats only knowing how to present themselves, Trump has a whole
lot of followers who'd likely disagree with you. OTOH, I don't feel like
Biden is doing so well in the self-presentation department these days.


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Moderates like me are a real thing. I also think that if we could get statistics on where voters placed themselves, it would divide equally
among liberals, moderates and conservatives.

I am not sure that would be accurate, though. I know people who consider themselves conservative because they believe in God and check other boxes
but, when it comes election time, the likelihood of them voting for anyone
who is not a Democrat, even if the candidate leans very left, is very slim.


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On 07-22-23 08:04, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Moderates <=-

Moderates like me are a real thing. I also think that if we could get statistics on where voters placed themselves, it would divide equally among liberals, moderates and conservatives.

I like what I'm hearing from everyone about "moderates."

Do you know other people who you'd consider "moderate?" I
just don't see them anywhere (except for you.) But of
course not everyone tells me their political beliefs.

Yes I do know other moderates. The problem is that many (most?)
moderates keep quiet unless there is some issue that is especially
important to them. It is the ultra liberals and ultra conservatives who
are the vocal majority who make the most noise, not all of which is true factual. My passion is to correct what I see as fake noise -- no matter
who says it.

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On 07-22-23 10:29, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Moderates <=-

Moderates like me are a real thing. I also think that if we could get statistics on where voters placed themselves, it would divide equally
among liberals, moderates and conservatives.

I am not sure that would be accurate, though. I know people who
consider themselves conservative because they believe in God and check other boxes but, when it comes election time, the likelihood of them voting for anyone who is not a Democrat, even if the candidate leans
very left, is very slim.

Note that I said "statistics" and not "antedotes". Individual
observations mean very little when talking about the nation as a whole.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Moderates like me are a real thing. I also think that if we could get statistics on where voters placed themselves, it would divide equally among liberals, moderates and conservatives.

I am not sure that would be accurate, though. I know people who consider themselves conservative because they believe in God and check other boxes but, when it comes election time, the likelihood of them voting for anyone who is not a Democrat, even if the candidate leans very left, is very slim.

Note that I said "statistics" and not "antedotes". Individual
observations mean very little when talking about the nation as a whole.

And my point is that you are going to get people who place themselves innaccurately (when compared to how they vote) in those statistics.


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Mike has said before that he too believes that moderates exist. I hope you guys are right about that. I just don't personally know any.

I personally don't know of any either... Ever since Barry & Mike hit the

cene

oderates are as scarce as hen's teeth. Maybe they are just being quiet

ecaus

they don't want to get canceled buy the left.

You are making me want to change my name. :)

I think you are right about the cancelling thing. Then again, I have some leftist friends who believe that there is no radical left and that they are moderates. Knowing that they supported the antics of Antifa in 2020, I
wanted to ask them if they really believe that Antifa is a arm of the
"radical middle" but I didn't want to get drawn into their yelling/cursing others into submission routine.


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important to them. It is the ultra liberals and ultra conservatives who are the vocal majority who make the most noise, not all of which is true factual. My passion is to correct what I see as fake noise -- no matter who says it.

I wish the media would do the same.

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Hello Mike,

You are making me want to change my name. :)

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For Life,
Lee

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