2016: Donald Trump manages to get elected. Democrats have a cow and point
to foreign collusion (specifically from Russia) which, among others,
supposedly takes form in social media disinformation.

Before 2021: Trump (and others) suggests that Tik-Tok, a Chinese owned company, should be banned due to the potential for foreign collusion in the form of social media disinformation. As a Chinese company, Tik-Tok
ownership includes the Chinese government and they have a heavy hand in
what views are, and are not, allowed to be voiced on the platform.

The peanut gallery has a collective freak-out. "How dare Trump threaten
our livelihood!" "They are trying to take our free speach!" "Trump just doesn't want us sharing our disdain for him - ORANGE MAN BAD!!!" etc, etc.

2023: The Biden Administration (and others) suggests that Tik-Tok, a Chinese owned company, should be banned due to the potential for foreign collusion in the form of social media disinformation. As a Chinese company, Tik-Tok ownership includes the Chinese government and they have a heavy hand in
what views are, and are not, allowed to be voiced on the platform.

The peanut gallery has a collective freak-out of silence.


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Hello Mike,

2016: Donald Trump manages to get elected. Democrats have a cow and point
to foreign collusion (specifically from Russia) which, among others, supposedly takes form in social media disinformation.

Your hero, soon to become the first and only former president ever
indicted for real crimes. In two states, New York and Georgia. And his
excuse? He claims he cannot be charged with a crime because he is a
candidate for president ...

What a doofus.

For Life,
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On 19 Mar 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Your hero, soon to become the first and only former president ever indicted for real crimes. In two states, New York and Georgia. And his excuse? He claims he cannot be charged with a crime because he is a candidate for president ...

This is not true...

The US is now a police state... We use to investigate crimes to fined a criminal. Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate political revivals and look for crimes. With respect to the New York investigation... They are trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole... Moreover, Trump's "crimes" are past the term limits. With respect to the Georgia phone call... I cannot wait to see this go. ... As what I have heard is that Trump made a phone call telling the Secretary of State to look at then evidence of fraud during the 2020 election in his state... If Trump gets his day in court he might be able to show this evidence as discovery. It'll be interesting to see what happens...

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On 03-20-23 09:42, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

On 19 Mar 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Your hero, soon to become the first and only former president ever indicted for real crimes. In two states, New York and Georgia. And his excuse? He claims he cannot be charged with a crime because he is a candidate for president ...

This is not true...

Correct -- his claim that he cannot be charged is not true.

The US is now a police state... We use to investigate crimes to fined
a criminal. Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate
political revivals and look for crimes. With respect to
the New York investigation... They are trying to make a
square peg fit in a round hole...

With respect to the New York state investigation where we might expect
an indictment very soon, the potential charge is exactly like ones that previous public officials have been charged and convicted. Further
more, the exact crime has previously been charged against a co-defendent
who was found guilty, while the indictment named Trump (via a pseudo
name) as a co-conspirator. He was not charged then because he was a
sitting President of USA. He no longer holds any public office and is
subject to justice the same as any other citizen.

Moreover, Trump's "crimes" are past the term limits.

Are they really? What is the term limit for the specific crime he is to
be indicted for?

With respect to the
Georgia phone call... I cannot wait to see this go. ... As
what I have heard is that Trump made a phone call telling
the Secretary of State to look at then evidence of fraud
during the 2020 election in his state... If Trump gets his
day in court he might be able to show this evidence as
discovery. It'll be interesting to see what happens...

Trump does not have to show it -- the world has heard it. You can
interpret any way you want, but the leading interpretation is that he
wanted Georgia SoS to create 11000+ votes, just enough to turn the
election into his favor. We'll see what the jury decides after charges
are filed. BTW, that is not the only phone call that will be in
evidence.

Dale Shipp
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On 20 Mar 2023, IB Joe said the following...

On 19 Mar 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Your hero, soon to become the first and only former president ever indicted for real crimes. In two states, New York and Georgia. And his
excuse? He claims he cannot be charged with a crime because he is a candidate for president ...

This is not true...

The US is now a police state... We use to investigate crimes to fined a criminal. Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate political
revivals and look for crimes. With respect to the New York investigation... They are trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole... Moreover, Trump's "crimes" are past the term limits. With respect to the Georgia phone call... I cannot wait to see this go. ...
As what I have heard is that Trump made a phone call telling the
Secretary of State to look at then evidence of fraud during the 2020 election in his state... If Trump gets his day in court he might be able to show this evidence as discovery. It'll be interesting to see what happen

This "malarkey" is going to put TRUMP back into The White House.
It is going to be like playing a video game on GOD-MODE.

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On 21 Mar 2023, Gregory Deyss said the following...

This "malarkey" is going to put TRUMP back into The White House.
It is going to be like playing a video game on GOD-MODE.

I hear you brother... The US is creeping into a police state, too bad, they were once the shinny city on the hill.

If they put cuffs on him I cannot wait to see the memes that come out.

TTYL

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This "malarkey" is going to put TRUMP back into The White House.
It is going to be like playing a video game on GOD-MODE.

"Trump not guilty of charges filed by D.A. Bragg" <- A headline like that
won't erase 7 years of propaganda. People don't see or hear the outcomes of
all these frivolous Trump charges, they only see and hear the allegations.

9 out of 10 leftists still think that Trump colluded with Russia and that he put explosives in the trunk of a car on January 6.

But I like your optimism and I hope you're right.

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On 21 Mar 2023, Aaron Thomas said the following...

This "malarkey" is going to put TRUMP back into The White House.
It is going to be like playing a video game on GOD-MODE.

"Trump not guilty of charges filed by D.A. Bragg" <- A headline like that won't erase 7 years of propaganda. People don't see or hear the outcomes of all these frivolous Trump charges, they only see and hear the allegations.

This is now getting personal I want to see Bragg as well as the other clowns in New York, Plus his cohorts in Washington, D.C. -crushed-!
I believe he is not acting alone, he is doing this with the blessing and courage if not flat out instructions & guidance from the highest levels of the democratic establishment from within Washington, D.C.
I wouldn't be surprised if Meritless Garland was the guy behind the curtain pulling the levers and controlling the dials.

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The US is now a police state... We use to investigate crimes to fined
a criminal. Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate
political revivals and look for crimes. With respect to
the New York investigation... They are trying to make a
square peg fit in a round hole...

I am still not sure how Trump paying hush money to Stormy Daniels is
different than the Clintons paying hush money to one of Bill's targets... $800K+ worth. Last I checked, they are still wandering around unindicted.


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This "malarkey" is going to put TRUMP back into The White House.
It is going to be like playing a video game on GOD-MODE.

I dunno. There are a lot of Democrats who will certainly vote for Biden
again, even if it is proven beyond doubt that Biden is senile or that he
will ruin the economy with four more years.

Poking at Trump right now takes the spotlight off of inflation, bank
failures, unrest at home and abroad, especially in the eyes of those who
still suffer from the TDS.


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On 21 Mar 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

The US is now a police state... We use to investigate crimes to fined a criminal. Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate
political revivals and look for crimes. With respect to
the New York investigation... They are trying to make a
square peg fit in a round hole...

I am still not sure how Trump paying hush money to Stormy Daniels is different than the Clintons paying hush money to one of Bill's targets... $800K+ worth. Last I checked, they are still wandering around
unindicted.

From what I heard it's the same. Clinton was given a small fine and they moved on. There are statute of limitations with these and they have all expired. They are completely destroying the constitution, they just need to run against him, like normal, and let the people choose.

I never dreamed we'd be here...

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a heavy hand in what views are, and are not, allowed to be voiced on the platform.

The peanut gallery has a collective freak-out of silence.

They are a sophisticated collective. They're always on the same page with one another. When Trump argued that Tik-Tok was bad, the globalists had no choice but to argue that Tik-Tok was peachy. Trashing Trump was a bigger priority
at the time, than trashing a company that their friend China has a stake in.

Now that the Trump problem has already been fixed, they're willing to address this Tik-Tok issue.

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On 03-21-23 13:13, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

9 out of 10 leftists still think that Trump colluded with Russia and

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

that he put explosives in the trunk of a car on January 6.

That is nonsense. Nobody believes such a thing.

Dale Shipp
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Gregory Deyss wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

This is now getting personal I want to see Bragg as well as the other clowns in New York, Plus his cohorts in Washington, D.C. -crushed-! I believe he is not acting alone,

Oh, of course not. People like Bragg are nothing more than patsies. They
are useless people who have been inserted into positions of power to do the bidding of their masters.


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Mike Powell wrote to IB JOE <=-

I am still not sure how Trump paying hush money to Stormy Daniels is different than the Clintons paying hush money to one of Bill's
targets... $800K+ worth. Last I checked, they are still wandering
around unindicted.

You missed the important part of that:
Clinton = Democrat
Trump = Not Democrat

In our two-tiered system of justice, the Elitists don't have to follow the law, but they will impose it on everyone else - especially those who oppose them.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

They are completely destroying the constitution,

No. The Elitists just don't believe it applies to them.

they just need to run against him, like normal, and let the people
choose.

To the Elitists the people are too stupid to choose the "right" person (i.e. the one that the Elitists want).

I never dreamed we'd be here...

It's been coming for a long time now.

Look how many institutions had to be subverted/ruined to get us here. That doesn't happen over night. It takes decades at least.


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His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Oh yes, it has. The only reason it didn't result in anything, was that Trump's hand-picked attorney general censored the report, and only passed on his own summery of it to the committee. Even today, the complete, un-redacted version is not available...

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On 22 Mar 2023, Ron Lauzon said the following...

IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

They are completely destroying the constitution,

No. The Elitists just don't believe it applies to them.

I personally don't give a shit what they are called or they call themselves... They are destroying the constitution... It's funny to think that there are people sworn to protect and uphold this document and they are all but mostly silent... Judges... Lawyers... Politicians, left or right.

All but QUIET...

they just need to run against him, like normal, and let the people choose.

To the Elitists the people are too stupid to choose the "right" person (i.e. the one that the Elitists want).

I was listening to someone the other day talking about the current police
state we live in going back to George W. and where it expanded from there. It was Bush who implemented spying on Americans in the name of Homeland security. It ended up morphing into spying on a presidential campaign.

I never dreamed we'd be here...

It's been coming for a long time now.

Look how many institutions had to be subverted/ruined to get us here. That doesn't happen over night. It takes decades at least.

This is true... I was again recently listening to a constitutional expert talk on these so called "Institutions" and he said "Most", if not all are unconstitutional. No where in the constitution does it say IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, HUD... and the Department of Education... the list goes on and and on. We went from a country where the federal government and the president of the US had a small footprint and was restrained by the people they represented. We started there and now you can get arrested and thrown in jail if you didn't vote the right way.

I was listening to senator Rand Paul read portions of a published essay from years ago.... IN A NUT SHELL... Davy Crockett had a go in politics when he was around... Apparently there was a fire in Georgetown that devastated the town and a lot of its residence. Congress voted for and funded a rescue packed, $20,000.00 to help the families of Georgetown. Apparently Mr. Crockett voted for this relief package.

The punchline... The voter told Mr. Crockett that he wouldn't vote for him again because of the lack of restraint he showed when spending other people's money.

This is interesting, we went from that mindset to the one politicians have today.... and that is spend spend spend...Send billions to other countries.. fund wars by proxy... the list goes on and on... This is not just one parties doing it's both parties acting in concert.

Our world and our country is sick and I hope we can pull out of it.

:)

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Hello Joe,

Your hero, soon to become the first and only former president ever
indicted for real crimes. In two states, New York and Georgia. And his
excuse? He claims he cannot be charged with a crime because he is a
candidate for president ...

This is not true...

The crime(s) he is about to be indicted on are not dependent on
whether one is running for president or any other public office.

The US is now a police state...

That did not happen on January 6, much to orange man's disappointment.

We use to investigate crimes to fined a criminal.

That's what the DOJ is for. And why so many who participated in the
events of January 6 are now spending quality time in prison.

Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate political revivals and look for
crimes.

Didn't take the DOJ long to find hundreds on January 6, bringing them
to justice for what they did.

With respect to the New York investigation...

State crimes, not federal. Means no president (including Biden) can
pardon Trump even if they wanted to. Not even Trump himself could do
so, even if he somehow manages to win another term as prez.

They are trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole...

Right now your boy is an unconvicted felon. Everybody knows he is
guilty, but the court of public opinion doesn't mean squat when it
comes to giving him what he truly deserves.

The fine people of New York and Georgia will change that.

Moreover, Trump's "crimes" are past the term limits.

The statute of limitations have not run out on any of the crimes
he is about to be indicted on, in either New York or Georgia.

With respect to the Georgia phone call...

Yes, it is all on tape. And aired repeatedly by the news media.

I cannot wait to see this go. ...

In Georgia, it is legal to record telephone conversations. Even though
the person Trump was talking to has died, the telephone conversation is
still evidence that can be used in court. In other words, Trump's goose
is cooked.

As what I have heard is that Trump made a phone call telling the Secretary of State to look at then evidence of fraud during the 2020 election in his state...

The recording of that telephone call is evidence that can be used
against Trump in a court of law. Even though the Secretary of State
has died, the evidence remains. Please do keep up.

If Trump gets his day in court he might be able to show this evidence as discovery.

Trump will be indicted on multiple counts in the state of Georgia.
The foreman has said so in a public interview. As a defendant, he will
have the right to face his accusers. And answer all questions. Or be
a wimp, and plead the fifth.

It'll be interesting to see what happens...

He could always plead guilty (in both New York and Georgia) thus
avoiding a trial altogether.

For Life,
Lee

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This is now getting personal I want to see Bragg as well as the other clowns in New York, Plus his cohorts in Washington, D.C. -crushed-!

I hope Comer & the committee can do something about Biden's Chinese influence peddling. The president has yet "correct himself" about his family "not" taking money from Chinese state organizations.

I Iw wouldn'tb bes surprised if MeritlessG Garlandww was thegg guy

The media has been accusing Garland of dragging his feet, but they're only doing that to encourage Trump-hatred. They don't actually want Garland to face any real scrutiny.

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9 out of 10 leftists still think that Trump colluded with Russia and

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Does the Trump campaign's "communication with Russia" seem harmless to you? Or do you find it suspicious?

that he put explosives in the trunk of a car on January 6.

That is nonsense. Nobody believes such a thing.

Not that Trump was the actual trunk-loader, but that Trump masterminded the whole January 6 incident. I've heard similar statements all over our state media.

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I am still not sure how Trump paying hush money to Stormy Daniels is different than the Clintons paying hush money to one of Bill's targets... $800K+ worth. Last I checked, they are still wandering around unindicted.

You missed the important part of that:
Clinton = Democrat
Trump = Not Democrat

Oh I didn't miss it... there is some sarcasm in there somewhere... and I
also didn't miss that they paid Jones (or Flowers, I can never remember
which) 7 to 8 times more than Trump paid Daniels.

In our two-tiered system of justice, the Elitists don't have to follow the

aw

but they will impose it on everyone else - especially those who oppose them.

I actually thought that this trail went dead once Daniels's lawyer, the
former Democratic presidential hopeful, was exposed as a fraud and got in trouble.


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I was listening to someone the other day talking about the current police state we live in going back to George W. and where it expanded from there.

t

as Bush who implemented spying on Americans in the name of Homeland security.
ended up morphing into spying on a presidential campaign.

True. There are a lot of 9/11 and Iraq war era laws and policies that,
unless they are going to use them for what they were intended for... to
protect American citizens from threats that have managed to already find
their way onto our soil... need to go away.


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Hello Björn,

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Oh yes, it has. The only reason it didn't result in anything, was that Trump's hand-picked attorney general censored the report, and only passed on his own summery of it to the committee. Even today, the complete, un-redacted version is not available...

https://imgflip.com/i/629psg


Dang! I knew all that orange hair was fake!

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Hello Björn,

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Oh yes, it has. The only reason it didn't result in anything, was that Trump's hand-picked attorney general censored the report, and only passed on his own summery of it to the committee. Even today, the complete, un-redacted version is not available...

Kinda like the 911 Report, which made no mention about United
Flight 23. Yes, there was a fifth airplane.

We know this thanks to a televised special report by TMZ/Fox News.

For Life,
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On 03-22-23 14:02, Björn Felten <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Oh yes, it has. The only reason it didn't result in
anything, was that Trump's hand-picked attorney general
censored the report, and only passed on his own summery of
it to the committee. Even today, the complete, un-redacted
version is not available...

I would like you to publish information to support your statement that
the Trump campaign was proven to collaborate with Russia. That is
contrary to what I have read and heard.

It is true that Barr published a summary report of his own which showed
that he had not even read the Mueller report OR that he was deliberately
lying.

I quote from the actual Mueller report, page 181:
[quote]
For that reason, this Office's focus in resolving the question of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law, not the commonly discussed term "collusion." The Office considered in particular whether contacts between Trump Campaign officials and Russia-linked
individuals could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy-either
under statutes that have their own conspiracy language (e.g., 18 U.S.C.
ºº 1349, 195l(a)) , or under the general conspiracy statute (18 U.S .C.
º 371). The investigation did not establish that the contacts described
in Volume I, Section IV, supra, amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal criminal law- including
foreign-fnfluence and campaign-finance laws, both of which are discussed further below. The Office therefore did not charge any individual
associated with the Trump Campaign with conspiracy to commit a federal
offense arising from Russia contacts, either under a specific statute or
under Section 371 's offenses clause.
[/quote]

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On 03-22-23 17:20, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

9 out of 10 leftists still think that Trump colluded with Russia and

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Does the Trump campaign's "communication with Russia" seem harmless to you? Or do you find it suspicious?

I find it suspicious in many cases. But see my message to Björn as to
the legal conclusion.

that he put explosives in the trunk of a car on January 6.

That is nonsense. Nobody believes such a thing.

Not that Trump was the actual trunk-loader, but that Trump
masterminded the whole January 6 incident. I've heard similar
statements all over our state media.

You should have said what you meant. I responded to what you said.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 03-22-23 07:44, Ron Lauzon <=-
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They are completely destroying the constitution,

No. The Elitists just don't believe it applies to them.

Are you now calling Trump an Elitist (whatever that term means to you)?
Trump has said that we should do away with the Constitution.

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IB Joe wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I personally don't give a shit what they are called or they call themselves... They are destroying the constitution...

Rather, they are destroying our society by ignoring the Constitution (except, of course, where it benefits them against their opponents).

It's funny to
think that there are people sworn to protect and uphold this document
and they are all but mostly silent... Judges... Lawyers... Politicians, left or right.

All but QUIET...

It's not funny at all. Remember what I said about subverting the instutitions?

The Elitists have been stuffing their operatives into positions of power for a long, long time now.

I was listening to someone the other day talking about the current
police state we live in going back to George W. and where it expanded
from there. It was Bush who implemented spying on Americans in the
name of Homeland security. It ended up morphing into spying on a presidential campaign.

That's why I keep saying that this isn't a "Democrat vs. Republican" or
a "Right vs. Left" problem. This is a "Elitists who think they should be
the rulers vs. everyonen else" problem.

This is true... I was again recently listening to a constitutional
expert talk on these so called "Institutions" and he said "Most", if
not all are unconstitutional. No where in the constitution does it say IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, HUD... and the Department of Education... the list goes on and and on.

Yup. And the Legisltive branch has unconstitutionally ceded authority to make law to these unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.

The punchline... The voter told Mr. Crockett that he wouldn't vote for
him again because of the lack of restraint he showed when spending
other people's money.

That's because it wasn't the Federal Gov't's duty to help that locality.

This is interesting, we went from that mindset to the one politicians have today.... and that is spend spend spend...

Spend to by votes from the lazy and stupid. Most of them made that way
by the subverted "schools" (i.e. indoctrination centers).

Send billions to other countries..

Or as the Biden Crime Family do, send billions to corrupt countries who will then kick back some of those billions into the Biden Crime Family pockets. Ukraine is just a money laundering machine for the Bidens and their buddies.

fund wars by proxy...

Gotta keep people distracted or they will realize that the Elitists are doing.

not just one parties doing it's both parties acting in concert.

There are no "two parties" anymore. There's just the uni-party.

Our world and our country is sick and I hope we can pull out of it.

I hope the same thing, but I'm not having a good feeling about it.


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Hello Dale,

9 out of 10 leftists still think that Trump colluded with Russia

and

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Does the Trump campaign's "communication with Russia" seem harmless to
you? Or do you find it suspicious?

I find it suspicious in many cases. But see my message to Björn as to
the legal conclusion.

Björn is not a lawyer. Neither are you. Or me, for that matter.
But Mueller is. And he knew what he was talking about when he wrote
his report.

that he put explosives in the trunk of a car on January 6.

That is nonsense. Nobody believes such a thing.

Not that Trump was the actual trunk-loader, but that Trump
masterminded the whole January 6 incident. I've heard similar
statements all over our state media.

You should have said what you meant. I responded to what you said.

It is clear that Trump orchestrated the events of January 6. Not the
fine details, as that was left to others. It was his call to arms that
got the ball rolling, and his speech earlier in the day that got it
all started. But as the DOJ had chosen to abide by an opinion that
was made by a Nixon underling that no president could be charged with
a crime, the secret service had to let him get away with it.

For Life,
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Hello Dale,

His campaign communicated with Russia, but conclusion or colaboration
has not been proven.

Oh yes, it has. The only reason it didn't result in
anything, was that Trump's hand-picked attorney general
censored the report, and only passed on his own summery of
it to the committee. Even today, the complete, un-redacted
version is not available...

I would like you to publish information to support your statement that the Trump campaign was proven to collaborate with Russia. That is contrary to what I have read and heard.

According to the Mueller Report, Björn is absolutely correct.

It is true that Barr published a summary report of his own which showed that he had not even read the Mueller report OR that he was deliberately lying.

Mueller's Report counted for everything, regardless of Barr's opinion.

I quote from the actual Mueller report, page 181:
[quote]

For that reason, this Office's focus in resolving the question of joint criminal liability was on conspiracy as defined in federal law, not the commonly discussed term "collusion." The Office considered in particular whether contacts between Trump Campaign officials and Russia-linked individuals could trigger liability for the crime of conspiracy-either under statutes that have their own conspiracy language (e.g., 18 U.S.C.
ºº 1349, 195l(a)) , or under the general conspiracy statute (18 U.S .C.
º 371). The investigation did not establish that the contacts described
in Volume I, Section IV, supra, amounted to an agreement to commit any substantive violation of federal criminal law- including
foreign-fnfluence and campaign-finance laws, both of which are discussed further below. The Office therefore did not charge any individual associated with the Trump Campaign with conspiracy to commit a federal offense arising from Russia contacts, either under a specific statute or under Section 371 's offenses clause.

[/quote]

There is a difference between conspiracy and collaboration. As duly
noted by Mueller himself.

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Gotta keep people distracted or they will realize that the Elitists are

oing.

I suspect the recent Trump distraction is due to the reports that Chinese interests paid members of the Biden family. The lady who holds press conferences each day just to not answer just about every question
side-stepped a question from Doocey about that earlier this week.


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On 22 Mar 2023, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Joe,

Your hero, soon to become the first and only former president ever
indicted for real crimes. In two states, New York and Georgia. And h
excuse? He claims he cannot be charged with a crime because he is a
candidate for president ...

This is not true...

The crime(s) he is about to be indicted on are not dependent on
whether one is running for president or any other public office.

Looks like the NY indictment is falling apart. A letter from Micheal Cohen's lawyer was released yesterday dating back to 2018 stating that Cohen used his own money and never was reimbursed by Trump... This was used during the Federal Elections investigation.

Bill Clinton gave one of his sex victims almost $1,000,000.00 while in office to silence her. Barack Obama paid a fine for campaign finance irregularities, no indictment just a fine. Hillary Clinton paid a lawyer to try to dig up crap on Trump, the infamous Steele Dossier, Whereby she tried to claim it as a legal expense to hide it from the public... She was made to pay a fine.... This is just recent history... No indictments... no raids... no perp walks ... no mug shots. no 7 year investigation looking for a crime.

The US is now a police state...

That did not happen on January 6, much to orange man's disappointment.

You should look up police state.... January 6th was the US governments first attempt at a staged insurrection. If those people were trying to overthrow throw the government... someone would have showed up with a gun... Instead the police department was opening doors and giving tours of the capital.

We use to investigate crimes to fined a criminal.

That's what the DOJ is for. And why so many who participated in the
events of January 6 are now spending quality time in prison.

The DOJ has not been doing their job... They have been investigating a man for 7 years looking for a crime... and haven't found one yet... They have been investigating parents who attend school board meetings ands calling them domestic terrorist... The list goes on and on... Current House of Representatives are holding investigations based on the weaponization of government agencies against US citizens.... DOJ is front and center.

Now, thanx to the Democrats, we investigate political revivals and lo for
crimes.

Didn't take the DOJ long to find hundreds on January 6, bringing them
to justice for what they did.

Story is not over yet as 44000 hours of video was released to Tucker Carlson and soon to be released to the public. I think anyone who caused damage or were violent in anyway should be punished ... But it looks like the government may have been more involved then they let on. Recently it was found in the Proud Boy's trial that the FBI was not giving exculpatory evidence and they had been an FBI plant amongst the Proud Boy's defense team.

With respect to the New York investigation...

State crimes, not federal. Means no president (including Biden) can
pardon Trump even if they wanted to. Not even Trump himself could do
so, even if he somehow manages to win another term as prez.

I think, if they can muster up a charge, Trump would ware that as a badge of honor... Trump always says that the Deep State and Political Elites are after the citizens, not him, he's just in the way. This will only bolster his argument. I can't wait to get my Trump mugshot shirt.

They are trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole...

Right now your boy is an unconvicted felon. Everybody knows he is
guilty, but the court of public opinion doesn't mean squat when it
comes to giving him what he truly deserves.

Right now he's not a unconvinced felon... nobody knows nothing because
"normal" people wait for a trial to see the evidence and form an opinion from there... I'll still vote for him if he gets convicted... It's better than going with the current mess.

The fine people of New York and Georgia will change that.

Moreover, Trump's "crimes" are past the term limits.

The statute of limitations have not run out on any of the crimes
he is about to be indicted on, in either New York or Georgia.

The statute of limitations have been met with the NY case... misdemeanor is 2 years where as a state felony is 5 years for state crimes. This stormy Daniels thing dates back 7 years. New York's AG Bragg is trying to link it to something federal, not his jurisdiction... and because of this the US house of representatives are issuing a subpoena to NY AG Bragg to see if he's been in communications with the current administration....

With respect to the Georgia phone call...

Yes, it is all on tape. And aired repeatedly by the news media.

I cannot wait to see this go. ...

In Georgia, it is legal to record telephone conversations. Even though
the person Trump was talking to has died, the telephone conversation is still evidence that can be used in court. In other words, Trump's goose
is cooked.

And soon the reason for that call... All the ballot harvesting... all the voting machine irregularities... all he discovery will be brought out... I can't wait.... About his goose being cooked... for the past 7 years that's all we ever heard... hasn't happened yet... All the liberals and liberal media salivating just oner more time....

As what I have heard is that Trump made a phone call telling the Secr of State to look at then evidence of fraud during the 2020 election i state...

The recording of that telephone call is evidence that can be used
against Trump in a court of law. Even though the Secretary of State
has died, the evidence remains. Please do keep up.

If Trump gets his day in court he might be able to show this evidence discovery.

Trump will be indicted on multiple counts in the state of Georgia.
The foreman has said so in a public interview. As a defendant, he will have the right to face his accusers. And answer all questions. Or be
a wimp, and plead the fifth.

It'll be interesting to see what happens...

He could always plead guilty (in both New York and Georgia) thus
avoiding a trial altogether.

This is not Trump's MO... He's a fighter and a counter puncher... A trial is needed so we can see his evidence and the State's evidence... Micheal Flinn, as well as a few others, won their freedom after challenging the prosecutors and demanding the evidence they had against them... In Flinn's case things fell apart pretty quick.

I've bought popcorn and I'm ready to see what they have...

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On 22 Mar 2023, Mike Powell said the following...

True. There are a lot of 9/11 and Iraq war era laws and policies that, unless they are going to use them for what they were intended for... to protect American citizens from threats that have managed to already find their way onto our soil... need to go away.

We need to neuter the Federal government and take away some of these powers they've given themselves. The constitution is paramount and needs to do what it was designed to do... restrain the feds and give the power back to the States and the people.

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On 23 Mar 2023, Ron L. said the following...

IB Joe wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

I personally don't give a shit what they are called or they call themselves... They are destroying the constitution...

Rather, they are destroying our society by ignoring the Constitution (except, of course, where it benefits them against their opponents).

Can you give me an example where the current administration is adhering to the rule of law and the constitution.

It's funny to
think that there are people sworn to protect and uphold this document and they are all but mostly silent... Judges... Lawyers... Politician left or right.

All but QUIET...

It's not funny at all. Remember what I said about subverting the instutitions?

Most of these institutions are unconstitutional anyway... But yes, they are subverting them...

The Elitists have been stuffing their operatives into positions of power for a long, long time now.

Yup... The uni-party is comprised of both Democrats and Republicans...

I was listening to someone the other day talking about the current police state we live in going back to George W. and where it expanded from there. It was Bush who implemented spying on Americans in the name of Homeland security. It ended up morphing into spying on a presidential campaign.

That's why I keep saying that this isn't a "Democrat vs. Republican" or
a "Right vs. Left" problem. This is a "Elitists who think they should be the rulers vs. everyonen else" problem.

Yup...

This is true... I was again recently listening to a constitutional expert talk on these so called "Institutions" and he said "Most", if not all are unconstitutional. No where in the constitution does it s IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, HUD... and the Department of Education... the lis goes on and and on.

Yup. And the Legisltive branch has unconstitutionally ceded authority
to make law to these unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.

Yup... they should grow a pair and take back their power.

The punchline... The voter told Mr. Crockett that he wouldn't vote fo him again because of the lack of restraint he showed when spending other people's money.

That's because it wasn't the Federal Gov't's duty to help that locality.

I know, or I have come to know.... Now here we are... US tax payers are
funding countries all over the world and bailing out banks and doing all kinds of things they shouldn't do... The contrast is huge.

This is interesting, we went from that mindset to the one politician have today.... and that is spend spend spend...

Spend to by votes from the lazy and stupid. Most of them made that way
by the subverted "schools" (i.e. indoctrination centers).

Vivek Ramaswamy, a person who has thrown their hat in to the ring for the 2024 Republican presidential race says he's going to dismantle the Department of Education... Alls I can say is.... cool...

Send billions to other countries..

Or as the Biden Crime Family do, send billions to corrupt countries who will then kick back some of those billions into the Biden Crime Family pockets. Ukraine is just a money laundering machine for the Bidens and their buddies.

fund wars by proxy...

Gotta keep people distracted or they will realize that the Elitists are doing.

not just one parties doing it's both parties acting in concert.

There are no "two parties" anymore. There's just the uni-party.

Our world and our country is sick and I hope we can pull out of it.

I hope the same thing, but I'm not having a good feeling about it.

We're on the same page on all kinds of topics... We, as a society, need to fight these globalist and save out world, never mind just our country.

Long live the republic!!!

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On 03-23-23 07:47, Ron L. <=-
spoke to Ib Joe about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

I personally don't give a shit what they are called or they call themselves... They are destroying the constitution...

Rather, they are destroying our society by ignoring the Constitution (except, of course, where it benefits them against their opponents).

Your they = Maga Republicans.

The Elitists have been stuffing their operatives into positions of
power for a long, long time now.

That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Supreme
Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's
nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of any
court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents
appeals.

That's why I keep saying that this isn't a "Democrat vs. Republican"
or a "Right vs. Left" problem. This is a "Elitists who think they
should be the rulers vs. everyonen else" problem.

I wish you would define what you mean by "the Elitists". Every time you
use it, you then give what seems to be the playbook of the Maga
Republicans.

This is true... I was again recently listening to a constitutional
expert talk on these so called "Institutions" and he said "Most", if
not all are unconstitutional. No where in the constitution does it say IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, HUD... and the Department of Education... the list goes on and and on.

Yup. And the Legisltive branch has unconstitutionally ceded authority
to make law to these unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.

None of them make law, that is up to the congress. They provide
services for the government.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Can you give me an example where the current administration is adhering
to the rule of law and the constitution.

Nope. It seems that everything they do is illegal.

Most of these institutions are unconstitutional anyway... But yes, they are subverting them...

You have things like the EPA - which is an unconstitutional instutition since they have the power to "make law" but they are not part of the legislative branch.

Then you have institutions like universities that have been subverted over the decades to turn out either incompetant "experts" or sheep who believe whatever the "experts" tell them.

Yup. And the Legisltive branch has unconstitutionally ceded authority
to make law to these unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.

Yup... they should grow a pair and take back their power.

This is one of the complaints I had with my state "representative". When the Whit-less Tyrant here in Michigan illegally seized power, I contacted him to stop it. His response was along the line of "but the Governor hasn't authorized a meeting of the legislature." The idiot must have failed gov't class in high school because the Legislature is not "below" the Governor.

I know, or I have come to know.... Now here we are... US tax payers are funding countries all over the world and bailing out banks and doing
all kinds of things they shouldn't do... The contrast is huge.

That's because the Elitists use that as a way to funnel money to their buddies and then right back into their accounts. It's a graft and money-laundering scheme.

Vivek Ramaswamy, a person who has thrown their hat in to the ring for
the 2024 Republican presidential race says he's going to dismantle the Department of Education... Alls I can say is.... cool...

Most of these Departments should be dismantled.


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On 24 Mar 2023, Ron L. said the following...

This is one of the complaints I had with my state "representative".
When the Whit-less Tyrant here in Michigan illegally seized power, I contacted him to stop it. His response was along the line of "but the Governor hasn't authorized a meeting of the legislature." The idiot
must have failed gov't class in high school because the Legislature is
not "below" the Governor.

That's right, on the federal side the House was seen as the most powerful entity. Now the President seems to throw around so much power with executive orders and agencies making policies without the legislators legislating it.

I'm afraid we are in a post constitutional America.

That's because the Elitists use that as a way to funnel money to their buddies and then right back into their accounts. It's a graft and money-laundering scheme.

That's why they didn't send any accountants with the billions sent to Ukraine... 10% is probably going to the big guy as well.

Vivek Ramaswamy, a person who has thrown their hat in to the ring for the 2024 Republican presidential race says he's going to dismantle th Department of Education... Alls I can say is.... cool...

Most of these Departments should be dismantled.

I agree...

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

That's right, on the federal side the House was seen as the most
powerful entity. Now the President seems to throw around so much power with executive orders and agencies making policies without the
legislators legislating it.

I'm afraid we are in a post constitutional America.

Too true, sadly.

We've moved too much power to the Bureaucracy (the unconstititional 4th branch of gov't). And executive orders only have power over the Bureaucracy, effectively (and illegally) moving power to the Executive Branch.

That's why they didn't send any accountants with the billions sent to Ukraine... 10% is probably going to the big guy as well.

Probably more than that, but yes.


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That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Supreme
Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of any court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents appeals.

Name a President that has not done this.

Biden (and/or Democrats in general) have abused the judicial system a
lot lately so I see only poor examples coming from them.


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On 03-26-23 13:35, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Supreme Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of any court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents appeals.

Name a President that has not done this.

Obama was not allowed to nominate his choice for Supreme Court Justice.

Although all Presidents have the duty to nominate Federal Judges, most
nominate qualified candidates. Some of Trump's judges were more loyal
to Trump than they were to the law.

Biden (and/or Democrats in general) have abused the judicial system a
lot lately so I see only poor examples coming from them.

I'd like to see examples of what you mean.

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Biden (and/or Democrats in general) have abused the judicial system a lot lately so I see only poor examples coming from them.

I'd like to see examples of what you mean.

The DA in New York is attempting to stretch a state crime, whose statute of limitations has expired, into a federal crime. They have delayed setting a grand jury because there are members of his office who believe the charges
are too flimsly to stick.

They would be better off concentrating on the issue in Georgia, where they
may have a better case, but I guess they want to have a backup plan (just
in case the GA case is not as good as it sounds) and/or need to have
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On 24 Mar 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Supreme Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of any court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents appeals.

I think you have a selective memory, are you forgetting Brett Kavanaugh had to endure erroneous accusations from Christine Biasey Ford allegedly sexually assaulting her in 1982, when he did not withdraw as she expected him to do.. Good for him.

The Judiciary Committee voted to approve Kavanaugh on September 28 after Jeff Flake, considered to be a swing vote, declared his intent to vote in favor of the nomination with the provision that there would be a new FBI investigation into the allegations by Ford. The investigation concluded on October 4. Two days later, Kavanaugh was confirmed by a 50 to 48 vote, and sworn in that same day.

So what are you complaining about? Kavanaugh's home has been visited by all kinds of undesirables (left wing nutcases.) including a Nicholas John Roske with the intent to Kill Kavanaugh.

A rather disgusting display of accusations from the Democatic Party.
Where is the Justice Department on these on-going attacks?

Then with Amy Coney Barrett w/ the witch Kamala Harris was going on and on into a tirade about covid and then having the gall to criticize with incredible rudeness of tone that the hearing was basically a waste of time.
As she went on to feebly make the claim (with an ineffective tie-in) that the hearing was misplaced priorities.
Watch it here --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7hUb0uH6DM

We on the Right know all to well just how "unqualified" Kamala Harris is as VP I mean, she is not even a nice person, instead of being a VP for every American she wants to talk about racial equity with multiple situations including within the midst Hurricane Ian.

Speaking to actress Priyanka Chopra Jonas at the Democratic National Committee's Women's Leadership Forum, Harris claimed that people of color and low-income communities are most affected by natural disasters such as Hurricane Ian. Because of this, Harris described how federal relief should be given "based on equity."

The Vice President declared, "It is our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme conditions and impacted by issues that are not of their own making."

if that was not bad enough
Kamala Harris praised the brilliance and impact of Black Lives Matters protests, deeming them necessary in comments that led some on social media to slam her as insane.

You can complain about Donald Trump all you want, but in many ways these do-nothing politicians on the left is why Donald Trump was elected in 2016 and we have all seen the absolute a train-wreck of a disaster what has been before all of us, with what the Biden administration has been.
This is why Trump will be re-elected in 2024, it will be the restoration of America as it should be, for ALL of it's people.

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On 03-27-23 14:17, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

Biden (and/or Democrats in general) have abused the judicial system a lot lately so I see only poor examples coming from them.

I'd like to see examples of what you mean.

Your examples are not what I was thinking about (or had given examples
of) which was abuse of the power to appoint judges. But never mind for
now.

The DA in New York is attempting to stretch a state crime, whose
statute of limitations has expired, into a federal crime. They have

I've not seen what the statute of limitations is for election fraud,
which is what NY DA seems to be looking at. Do you know for certain?

delayed setting a grand jury because there are members of his office
who believe the charges are too flimsly to stick.

Nor have I seen any such reporting -- but it is plausible.

They would be better off concentrating on the issue in Georgia, where
they may have a better case, but I guess they want to have a backup
plan (just in case the GA case is not as good as it sounds) and/or need
to have something to distract us from whatever else is going on.

Who is the "they" in that paragraph? GA and NY are independent
juristictions and what one does has no bearing on the other.

Dale Shipp
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On 03-27-23 19:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

On 24 Mar 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Supreme Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of any court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents appeals.

I think you have a selective memory, are you forgetting Brett
Kavanaugh had to endure erroneous accusations from Christine Biasey
Ford allegedly sexually assaulting her in 1982, when he did not
withdraw as she expected him to do.. Good for him.

Actually, I would include Kavanaugh as someone who would not have been appointed to the Supreme court if a proper vetting had been done. The accusations were not erroneous.

The Judiciary Committee voted to approve Kavanaugh on
September 28 after Jeff Flake, considered to be a swing
vote, declared his intent to vote in favor of the
nomination with the provision that there would be a new FBI
investigation into the allegations by Ford. The
investigation concluded on October 4. Two days later,
Kavanaugh was confirmed by a 50 to 48 vote, and sworn in
that same day.

That investigation was a sham. They did not even interview other
possible victims of Kavanaugh's behavior at the time.

Then with Amy Coney Barrett

Barrett's primary qualification was that she was expected to vote to
repeal Roe v Wade (and she did do that).

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

The DA in New York is attempting to stretch a state crime, whose
statute of limitations has expired, into a federal crime. They have delayed setting a grand jury because there are members of his office
who believe the charges are too flimsly to stick.

The NY "case" was just a distraction from the increasing amount of evidence that the Biden Crime Syndicate is getting money from China and that Biden is severaly compromised. It was never meant to actually happen.

But, as usual, the Elitists messed up and the distraction backfired and Trump used it to his advantage.

plan (just in case the GA case is not as good as it sounds) and/or need
to have something to distract us from whatever else is going on.

Yup. I expect to see this case get "hot" when more evidence that the Biden Crime Syndicate is working against the U.S. - which would make what they are doing treason.


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Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

I think you have a selective memory,

Less "selective memory" and more "willfully ignore any facts that go counter to their Narrative."

A rather disgusting display of accusations from the Democatic Party.

They are merely distractions intended to defame their opponents while distracting from things that put them in a bad light.

Where is the Justice Department on these on-going attacks?

What "Justice Dept"? It's Elitists controlled, therefore it's just a "Social Justice Dept." and certainly doesn't work FOR anyone but the Elitists.

We on the Right know all to well just how "unqualified" Kamala Harris

I think the term is "completely incompetent". But that seems par for the Biden Regime. None of his appointees have been competent for the job. But that's what they want. They don't want people who can think. They want people who follow orders.

You can complain about Donald Trump all you want, but in many ways
these do-nothing politicians on the left is why Donald Trump was
elected in 2016

Correct.

and we have all seen the absolute a train-wreck of a
disaster what has been before all of us, with what the Biden administration has been.

But Trump Derangement Syndrome is still alive and well. These Ignorant Elitists will never accept the idea that they are wrong and will continue to insist that Trump is a criminal and that Biden and his incompetent cabinet are doing a great job.

This is why Trump will be re-elected in 2024,
it will be the restoration of America as it should be, for ALL of it's people.

Only if we stop the Elitists from cheating again.


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On 28 Mar 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 03-27-23 19:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

On 24 Mar 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Suprem
Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of a
court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents appeals.

I think you have a selective memory, are you forgetting Brett Kavanaugh had to endure erroneous accusations from Christine Biasey Ford allegedly sexually assaulting her in 1982, when he did not withdraw as she expected him to do.. Good for him.

Actually, I would include Kavanaugh as someone who would not have been appointed to the Supreme court if a proper vetting had been done. The accusations were not erroneous.

The Judiciary Committee voted to approve Kavanaugh on
September 28 after Jeff Flake, considered to be a swing
vote, declared his intent to vote in favor of the
nomination with the provision that there would be a new FBI investigation into the allegations by Ford. The
investigation concluded on October 4. Two days later,
Kavanaugh was confirmed by a 50 to 48 vote, and sworn in
that same day.

That investigation was a sham. They did not even interview other
possible victims of Kavanaugh's behavior at the time.

It was a FBI investigation, you pick and choose when it suits you, based on your political allegiance.

Then with Amy Coney Barrett

Barrett's primary qualification was that she was expected to vote to repeal Roe v Wade (and she did do that).

Abortion rights were never a protected constitutional right, to spite what these uneducated lunatics on the left think.

It is murder. All we hear about are insane examples & questions such as what if she was raped? I would wager that the majority of these women know full well and in advance what they are doing at the moment.

When does life begin?
Why in some states they are killing the child upon birth?

What they lack is accountability & responsibility. Then claim it was a mistake. What they do not take into account as well as others complaining (sometimes w/ violence)
Is this simple fact their mother gave birth to them they did not whine or complain about their pregnancy, that it was a mistake and more of a importance as they did not choose to terminate the child.

The left says: it's a womens right to choose, but these same people can not define what a women is, if that is not bad enough these same people believe that a man can get pregnant.

There comes a time where the conversation ends as it is best to remain silent, because what this advocation is still considered murder.

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Hello Dale,

That is what Mitch Miller and Donald Trump did, not just to the Supreme
Court but a lot of lower courts. At least a few of Donald Trump's
nominations to the Federal Bench were not qualified to be a judge of any
court, example the judge he picked to handle his classified documents
appeals.

Name a President that has not done this.

Obama was not allowed to nominate his choice for Supreme Court Justice.

The reason for this was due to US Senator Mitch McConnell's objection
that the nomination was made just before the presidential election.
However, the same US Senator Mitch McConnell had no such objection when
Trump nominated a rapist (Kavanaugh) to the USSC ...

Although all Presidents have the duty to nominate Federal Judges, most nominate qualified candidates.

Clarence Thomas was far from qualified. Brett Kavanaugh was also
far from qualified. And both were accused of being rapists, with one
of them publicly admitting to being an alcoholic.

Some of Trump's judges were more loyal to Trump than they were to the law.

Not all of them, as Trump has found out.

Biden (and/or Democrats in general) have abused the judicial system MP>a

lot lately so I see only poor examples coming from them.

I'd like to see examples of what you mean.

You missed the show at LSU the other day. Candace Owens was on stage
doing a live performance to the delight of students who did not have
a clue of who and what she was - until she opened her big mouth.

For Life,
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Barrett's primary qualification was that she was expected to vote to
repeal Roe v Wade (and she did do that).

If you read up on Roe v Wade, you will know that even liberal judges knew
the grounds it was based on were shakey. Democrats campained on that fact
for years, claiming that too many Republicans in Congress, a Republican for President, etc., would lead to its reversal.

With that in mind can you explain why, during times when the Democrats had enough votes, abortion rights were never signed into law?


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On 03-28-23 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

That investigation was a sham. They did not even interview other
possible victims of Kavanaugh's behavior at the time.

It was a FBI investigation, you pick and choose when it
suits you, based on your political allegiance.

It was a sham, as directed by Trump's AG Barr.

It [abortion] is murder. All we hear about are insane examples &
questions such as what if she was raped? I would wager that
the majority of these women know full well and in advance
what they are doing at the moment.

I have two things wrong with that paragraph of yours. The first is your blaming the victim of rape for getting pregnant. But even more
egregious is your pushing your religion onto everyone else.

When does life begin?

There is considerable difference of opinion on that.

Why in some states they are killing the child upon birth?

Are they really?

The left says: it's a womens right to choose, but these

It should be. It is not right for a minority to push their religious
beliefs onto them.

same people can not define what a women is, if that is not

What do you mean by that dog-whistle?

bad enough these same people believe that a man can get
pregnant.

Where did that come from?

There comes a time where the conversation ends as it is
best to remain silent, because what this advocation is
still considered murder.

Perhaps it is considered murder by your religion, but not by a majority
of Americans.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 03-28-23 17:47, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pre-2021 vs. 2023 <=-

Barrett's primary qualification was that she was expected to vote to
repeal Roe v Wade (and she did do that).

If you read up on Roe v Wade, you will know that even liberal judges
knew the grounds it was based on were shakey. Democrats campained on
that fact for years, claiming that too many Republicans in Congress, a Republican for President, etc., would lead to its reversal.

With that in mind can you explain why, during times when the Democrats
had enough votes, abortion rights were never signed into law?

I cannot explain it, other than to suggest that they did not see the need
to make a law confirming what the Supreme Court had declared 50 years
ago.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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It was a FBI investigation, you pick and choose when it
suits you, based on your political allegiance.

It was a sham, as directed by Trump's AG Barr.

Learn the difference between the AG and the FBI director.

It [abortion] is murder. All we hear about are insane examples & questions such as what if she was raped? I would wager that
the majority of these women know full well and in advance
what they are doing at the moment.

I have two things wrong with that paragraph of yours. The first is your blaming the victim of rape for getting pregnant. But even more
egregious is your pushing your religion onto everyone else.

No I am not blaming anyone for being attacked in this vile way, but what I am suggesting that pregnancy due to being raped, is a very small number compared to those who act like they don't have a care in the world and get knocked-up like there is no consequence. (w/out decently as it considered, in or out of any religion. or without religion. It is not ok.

When does life begin?

There is considerable difference of opinion on that.

Why in some states they are killing the child upon birth?

Are they really?

claiming stupid does not suit you, when there has been pundits on the left who have said that.

Perhaps it is considered murder by your religion, but not by a majority
of Americans.

You're barking up the wrong tree, with that comment. (with you blaming me and my religion.) Taking the stance that it is me against the world. Not quite, not by a long shot. In fact it is more true that the majority of Americans + people around globe are repulsed by abortion.

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If you read up on Roe v Wade, you will know that even liberal judges knew the grounds it was based on were shakey. Democrats campained on that fact for years, claiming that too many Republicans in Congress, a Republican for President, etc., would lead to its reversal.

With that in mind can you explain why, during times when the Democrats had enough votes, abortion rights were never signed into law?

I cannot explain it, other than to suggest that they did not see the need
to make a law confirming what the Supreme Court had declared 50 years
ago.

So either they were lying during their campains and didn't really think it might eventually be overturned, or they knew it eventually could and did nothing about it.


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On 26 Mar 2023, Dale Shipp said the following...

Obama was not allowed to nominate his choice for Supreme Court Justice.

Obama did nominate someone... The Train Wreck is our current AG... The Republican Senate didn't vote on him... And did we ever dodge a bullet with that partisan hack...

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Hello Dale,

It [abortion] is murder. All we hear about are insane examples &
questions such as what if she was raped? I would wager that
the majority of these women know full well and in advance
what they are doing at the moment.

I have two things wrong with that paragraph of yours. The first is your blaming the victim of rape for getting pregnant. But even more
egregious is your pushing your religion onto everyone else.

Rape is a crime of violence, not of passion. The woman (or child)
who was raped is a victim, not a willing participant. It would be
criminal to force a woman (or child) who was raped to carry the
child to term - and worse to be forced to care for that child for
a lengthy period of time. Imagine a case of incest, the victim
being forced to give birth and care for the child until it is an
adult, the father of the child being a deadbeat dad and a ward
of the state being in prison for rape. Oh, those right-to-lifers
have an answer for that. ADOPTION!

When does life begin?

There is considerable difference of opinion on that.

When egg meets sperm life begins. The only question is which sperm
is the winner, as all others are losers.

Why in some states they are killing the child upon birth?

Are they really?

Infanticide is not the same as abortion.

The left says: it's a womens right to choose, but these

It should be. It is not right for a minority to push their religious beliefs onto them.

A minority needs protection. Unlike a majority which can do anything
it wants. But sometimes it is the other way around.

same people can not define what a women is, if that is not

What do you mean by that dog-whistle?

Milton Berle was a great impersonator.

bad enough these same people believe that a man can get pregnant.

Where did that come from?

I have met two such people who not only got pregnant, but gave birth.
One was a 14-year-old true hermaphrodite who was a student, giving
birth to a healthy baby when he was age 21. He was engaged to a guy
in the Navy, but was not allowed to change his gender because he was
classified as a male on his birth certificate.

When I met him, he was wearing a pretty blue dress, playing with his classmates. He and his classmates told me he had both parts, and also
offered to show me. I took his word for it.

The other was a true hermaphrodite who had three children, being the
mother of three and the father of one. She told me she got herself
pregnant by mistake with her third child but her husband didn't believe
her as he worked offshore and consequently divorced her.

Some newspaper journalists wanted to interview her, but I thought
better of it to give them her name. Not sure if she would have wanted
the attention.

There comes a time where the conversation ends as it is
best to remain silent, because what this advocation is
still considered murder.

Perhaps it is considered murder by your religion, but not by a majority of Americans.

Thomas Jefferson was Episcopalian, but did not think of it as murder.
The idea of abortion as murder did not come about until the 1880's in
this country. The fundamentalist Christian view of abortion as murder
is not really Christian at all, but more of a bizarre ideology.

For Life,
Lee

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Hello Dale,

[..]

With that in mind can you explain why, during times when the Democrats
had enough votes, abortion rights were never signed into law?

I cannot explain it, other than to suggest that they did not see the need to make a law confirming what the Supreme Court had declared 50 years
ago.

Health issues are matters between doctors, patients, and family.
When did such issues ever become a matter for politicians?
The mullahs of Iran have their own version of "morality police"
to guide their population. We certainly do not need one for
ourselves.

For Life,
Lee

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