• Biden's response 02/16

    From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to All on Thursday, February 16, 2023 22:24:17
    The Whitehouse has the best stenographer in the world, just look how they captured the half spoken words from Our President.
    (and yet he is said to be in tip-top shape and passed his physical today) seriously? I am not the only one w/ raised eyebrows - showing disbelieve

    I think the President said what he said to provide calm to Xi of China.
    The Chinese aggression and tension has been on the rise. They were
    actually threating the U.S. some of these words spoken by President Biden were meant to appease the Chinese. It's obvious. I would replied "Qù Bàng yán".

    There is over-whelming amount of skepticism that simply does not add up with the Presidents comments.
    Key takeaways are
    1.because we could not rule out the surveillance risk of sensitive facilities. 1A Too Late Mr. President.
    2. We don't yet know exactly what these three objects were. But nothing nothing right now suggests they were related to China's spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from other any other country.
    2A Wait, hold up. What?

    Begin
    South Court Auditorium
    Eisenhower Executive Office Building

    2:11 P.M. EST

    THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Last week, in the immediate aftermath of the incursion by China's high-altitude balloon, our military, through the North American Aerospace Defense Command so-called NOR- NORAD closely scrutinized the our airspace, including enhancing our radar to pick up more slow-moving objects above our country and around the world.

    In doing so, they tracked three unidentified objects: one in Alaska, Canada, and over Lake Huron in the Midwest.

    They acted in accordance with established parameters for determining how to deal with unidentified aerial objects in U.S. airspace.

    At their recommendation, I gave the order to take down these three objects
    due to hazards to civilian commercial air traffic and because we could not
    rule out the surveillance risk of sensitive facilities.

    We acted in consultation with the Canadian government. I spoke personally
    with Prime Minister Trudeau and Ca- from Canada on Saturday.

    And just as critically, we acted out of an abundance of caution and at an opportunity that allowed us to take down these these objects safely.

    Our military and the Canadian military are seeking to recover the debris so
    we can learn more about these three objects. Our intelligence community is still assessing all three incidences. They're reporting to me daily and will continue their urgent efforts to do so, and I will communicate that to the Congress.

    We don't yet know exactly what these three objects were. But nothing nothing right now suggests they were related to China's spy balloon program or that they were surveillance vehicles from other any other country.

    The intelligence community's current assessment is that these three objects were most likely balloons tied to private companies, recreation, or research institutions studying weather or conducting other scientific research.

    When I came into office, I instructed our intelligence community to take a broad look at the phenomenon of unidentified aerial objects.

    We know that a range of entities, including countries, companies, and
    research organizations operate objects at altitudes for purposes that are not nefarious, including legitimate scientific research.

    I want to be clear: We don't have any evidence that there has been a sudden increase in the number of objects in the sky. We're now just seeing more of them, partially because the steps we've taken to increase our radars to narrow our radars. And we have to keep adapting our approach to delaying to dealing with these challenges.

    That's why I've directed my team to come back to me with sharper rules for how we will deal with these unidentified objects moving forward, distinguishing distinguishing between those that are likely to pose safety and security risks that necessitate action and those that do not.

    But make no mistake, if any object presents a threat to the safety and
    security of the American people, I will take it down. I'll be sharing with Congress these classified policy parameters when they're completed, and
    they'll remain classified so we don't give our roadmap to our enemies to try to evade our defenses.

    Going forward, these parameters will guide what actions we will take while responding to unmanned and unidentified aerial objects. We're going to keep adapting them as the challenges evolve, if it evolves.

    In addition, we've derived I've directly my National Security Advisor to lead a government-wide effort to make sure we are positioned to deal safely and effectively with the objects in our airspace.

    First, we will establish a better inventory of unmanned airborne objects in space above the United States airspace and make sure that inventory is accessible and up to date.

    Second, we'll implement further measures to improve our capacity to detect unmanned objecti- objects in our airspace.

    Third, we'll update the rules and regulations for launching and maintaining unmanned objects in the skies above the United States of America.

    And fourth, my Secretary of State will lead an effort to help establish a global a globa- a common global norms in this largely unregulated space.

    These steps will lead to safer and more secure skies for our air travelers,
    our military, our scientists, and for people on the ground as well. That's my job as your President and Commander-in-Chief.

    As the events of the previous days have shown, we'll always act to protect the interest of the American people and the security of the American people.

    Since I came into office, we've developed the ability to identify, track, and study high-altitude surveillance balloons connected with the Chinese military.

    When one of these high-altitude surveillance balloons entered our airspace
    over the continental United States earlier in the month, I gave the order to shoot it down as soon as it would be safe to do so. The military advised against shooting it down over land because of the sheer size of it. It was
    the size of multiple school busses, and it posed a risk to people on the
    ground if it was shot down where people lived.

    Instead, we tracked it closely, we analyzed its capabilities, and we learned more about how it operates.

    And because we knew its path, we were able to protect sensitive sites against collection.

    We waited until it was safely over water, which would not only protect civilians but also enable us to recover substantial components for further analys- for further analytics.

    And then we shot it down, sending a clear message clear message: The violation of our sovereignty is unacceptable.

    We will act to protect our country, and we did.

    Now, this past Friday, we put restrictions on six firms that directly support the People's Republic Liberation Army the People's Lib- the People's Liberation Army aerospace program that includes airships and balloons, denying them access to U.S. technology.

    We briefed our diplomatic partners and our allies around the world, and we
    know about China's program and where their balloons have flown.

    Some of them have also raised their concerns directly with China. Our
    exports [experts] have lifted components of the Chinese balloon's payload off the ocean floor. We're analyzing them as I speak, and what we learn will strengthen our capabilities.

    Now, we'll also continue to engage with China, as we have throughout the past two weeks. As I've said since the beginning of my administration, we seek competition, not conflict, with China. We're not looking for a new Cold War.

    But I make no apologize I make no apologies, and we will compete. And
    we'll be res- we'll responsibly manage that competition so that it doesn't veer into conflict.

    This episode underscores the importance of maintaining open lines of communication between our diplomats and our military professionals. Our diplomats will be engaging further, and I will remain in communication with President Xi.

    I'm grateful for the work over the last several weeks of our intelligence, diplomatic, and military professionals who have proved once again to be the most capable in the world. And I want to thank you all.

    Now, look, the other thing I want to point is that we are going to keep our allies and the Congress contemporaneously informed of all we know and all we learn. And I expect to be speaking with President Xi, and I hope we have a
    we are going to get to the bottom of this. But I make no apologies for taking down that balloon.

    Thank you very much.

    (Cross-talk by reporters.)

    Q Mr. President, why did you wait so long to address the public on this matter, Mr. President?

    Q Sir, there's been a criticism there's been criticism of this

    Q When are you speaking to President Xi, Mr. President?

    Q Is this deal with China compromised by your family's business relationships in China, President Biden?

    THE PRESIDENT: Give me a break, man. (Laughs.) (Inaudible.)

    Q Sir Mr. President Mr. President, there's been criticism

    Q Did you overreact?

    Q Mr. President, there's been criticism that this was an overreaction that was done because of political pressure

    (Cross-talk by reporters.)

    THE PRESIDENT: I can't

    Q Is your son still (inaudible)

    THE PRESIDENT: You can come to my office and ask the question when you have more polite people (inaudible).

    2:20 P.M. EST
    end and not a moment too soon

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, February 17, 2023 11:17:49
    I want to be clear: We don't have any evidence that there has been a sudden increase in the number of objects in the sky. We're now just seeing more of them, partially because the steps we've taken to increase our radars to narrow our radars. And we have to keep adapting our approach to delaying to dealing with these challenges.

    The public has never seen them before. An increase in radar causes the public to see them more? :) He's terrible at lying, and it's better for his image if he just lets Jean Pierre do all the talking.

    That's why I've directed my team to come back to me with sharper rules
    for how we will deal with these unidentified objects moving forward,

    His plan sounds hard to believe. I discourage all Americans from flying on any airplanes until Biden is deposed. No trains either!

    Going forward, these parameters will guide what actions we will take
    while responding to unmanned and unidentified aerial objects. We're
    going to keep adapting them as the challenges evolve, if it evolves.

    More like "We're going to keep adapting our narrative as the challenges evolve.."

    It all sounds like such BS. Like Kamala's word salad, only this time it's spewing from the Big Guy himself.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, February 17, 2023 14:40:00
    The public has never seen them before. An increase in radar causes the public to see them more? :) He's terrible at lying, and it's better for his image if he just lets Jean Pierre do all the talking.

    Someone on another network, who is skeptical of the government's handling
    of the known spy balloon, has suggested that the reason we the public are seeing them now is because we have better optics -- higher quality cameras, etc., that have come down in price in recent years.

    I cannot disagree that this makes some sense.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 18, 2023 00:26:23
    Someone on another network, who is skeptical of the government's handling of the known spy balloon, has suggested that the reason we the public are seeing them now is because we have better optics -- higher quality cameras, etc., that have come down in price in recent years.

    I don't believe that camera prices have come down in price recently. Did they show you any evidence of that? I guess it depends on which brand you buy, but
    I use Reolink cameras, and I see them gradually going up in price due to the evolution of camera resolution. Mine are all 5MP, which are about $50 each, but now 8MP seems to be the standard, and they are like $75 each.

    To me, it seems like the influence peddler is offering some kind of end of term deals on surveillance.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, February 18, 2023 09:11:00
    Someone on another network, who is skeptical of the government's handling
    of the known spy balloon, has suggested that the reason we the public are
    seeing them now is because we have better optics -- higher quality cameras, etc., that have come down in price in recent years.

    I don't believe that camera prices have come down in price recently. Did they show you any evidence of that? I guess it depends on which brand you buy, but I use Reolink cameras, and I see them gradually going up in price due to the evolution of camera resolution. Mine are all 5MP, which are about $50 each, bu
    now 8MP seems to be the standard, and they are like $75 each.

    They have not come down super recently, but they have come down in recent years. Also, every cell phone nowadays has a camera, and some of the smart phones have pretty decent ones. I bought a couple of cameras in 2020-21
    that, if they even had cameras like them 5-10 years earlier, I would not have been able to afford them 5-10 years earlier.

    Now, yeah, the top of the line quality is still top of the line price, but
    what was top of the line... and still better than anything that existed,
    say, 20 years ago without a bunch of expensive, add-on lenses... is very affordable now.

    To me, it seems like the influence peddler is offering some kind of end of ter
    deals on surveillance.

    He wasn't trying to sell me anything. :)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 18, 2023 16:35:37
    They have not come down super recently, but they have come down in recent years. Also, every cell phone nowadays has a camera, and some of the smart phones have pretty decent ones. I bought a couple of cameras in 2020-21 that, if they even had cameras like them 5-10 years earlier, I would not have been able to afford them 5-10 years earlier.

    They guy might be on to something, but I just find it hard to believe that
    it's not the regime's fault.

    To me, it seems like the influence peddler is offering some kind of end ter
    deals on surveillance.

    He wasn't trying to sell me anything. :)

    No, I mean Joe. "Surveillance peddler" is what I should have said.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, February 19, 2023 09:28:00
    They guy might be on to something, but I just find it hard to believe that it's not the regime's fault.

    Oh, he wasn't saying it wasn't their fault. Quite the opposite. He was
    only pointing out the greater likelihood of the public noticing such events.


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