As someone brought it up here recently:

https://youtu.be/_lYAirsk0tk

Also, although it was outlawed in Western Europe, on European soil, it is
not completely accurate to say that European countries were not still practicing forms of slavery before, and after, the US Civil War. During WW I, which started roughly 50 years after slavery was outlawed in the US, the war spilled out from Europe and into the African colonies as the European leaders hoped to use the conflict to gain more territory.

While France apparently treated most of their colonial subjects as well as their citizens, the same cannot be said for the UK and Germany. Many of
the subjects were conscripted into the armed forces before conscription was mandatory in other parts of the empires, and were not treated as equals.
The German colonial military officers, in particular, were known not to
spare the whip when it came time to motivate their subjects into defending their colonies from the French and British.

Source -- Apocalypse: WWI (documentary series)


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On 08 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Also, although it was outlawed in Western Europe, on European soil, it is not completely accurate to say that European countries were not still practicing forms of slavery before, and after, the US Civil War. During WW I, which started roughly 50 years after slavery was outlawed in the
US, the war spilled out from Europe and into the African colonies as the European leaders hoped to use the conflict to gain more territory.
While France apparently treated most of their colonial subjects as well
as their citizens, the same cannot be said for the UK and Germany. Many of the subjects were conscripted into the armed forces before
conscription was mandatory in other parts of the empires, and were not treated as equals. The German colonial military officers, in particular, were known not to spare the whip when it came time to motivate their subjects into defending their colonies from the French and British.

If military conscription is slavery, then the US practiced slavery as late as the 70s and Israel along with some Scandinavian countries practice slavery to this day.

Or, conscription is not slavery.

Jeff.

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Also, although it was outlawed in Western Europe, on European soil, it is
not completely accurate to say that European countries were not still practicing forms of slavery before, and after, the US Civil War. During WW I, which started roughly 50 years after slavery was outlawed in the US, the war spilled out from Europe and into the African colonies as the European leaders hoped to use the conflict to gain more territory.
While France apparently treated most of their colonial subjects as well as their citizens, the same cannot be said for the UK and Germany. Many of the subjects were conscripted into the armed forces before conscription was mandatory in other parts of the empires, and were not treated as equals. The German colonial military officers, in particular, were known not to spare the whip when it came time to motivate their subjects into defending their colonies from the French and British.

If military conscription is slavery, then the US practiced slavery as late as the 70s and Israel along with some Scandinavian countries practice slavery to this day.

Or, conscription is not slavery.

It is not just the conscription, but the fact they were conscripted before citizens of the home countries, and also their treatment as second-class citizens during the times before, during, and after WW I -- as property of the colonial state.

Persons living in the UK and Germany were free. Non-white persons living in their colonies, not so much.


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On 09 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

If military conscription is slavery, then the US practiced slavery as la the 70s and Israel along with some Scandinavian countries practice slave this day.
Or, conscription is not slavery.

It is not just the conscription, but the fact they were conscripted
before citizens of the home countries,

Conscription is conscription, regardless of the selection process.

and also their treatment as
second-class citizens during the times before, during, and after WW I -- as property of the colonial state.

Being treated as a second-class citizen is not slavery -- ask any Black person who had to put up with Jim Crow laws. Britain has always considered its citizens, regardless of color, to be the property of the state. That was one
of the factors that led to the War of 1812; Britain was impressing (conscripting) US sailors under the theory of "once a British citizen, always
a British citizen."

Persons living in the UK and Germany were free. Non-white persons
living in their colonies, not so much.

But were they slaves? Slavery has a pretty specific definition.

Jeff.

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If military conscription is slavery, then the US practiced slavery as l
the 70s and Israel along with some Scandinavian countries practice slav
this day.
Or, conscription is not slavery.

It is not just the conscription, but the fact they were conscripted before citizens of the home countries,

Conscription is conscription, regardless of the selection process.

Not when the point is that they were favoring one group over another.
Isn't that what "supremacy" is all about?

Persons living in the UK and Germany were free. Non-white persons living in their colonies, not so much.

But were they slaves? Slavery has a pretty specific definition.

As many of them, even outside of war time, were being forced to work at
things that were not a job they volunteered for, and maybe were not getting paid for, I think so.

The whole point of this is that someone else posted and pointed out that
there was history elsewhere being ignored and was told no there really
wasn't. Except there is.


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On 10 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

If military conscription is slavery, then the US practiced slaver l
the 70s and Israel along with some Scandinavian countries practic slav
this day.
Or, conscription is not slavery.

It is not just the conscription, but the fact they were conscripted before citizens of the home countries,

Conscription is conscription, regardless of the selection process.

Not when the point is that they were favoring one group over another. Isn't that what "supremacy" is all about?

The US favored some groups over others during the 60s and 70s. College students, for example, could avoid conscription. Mega-conservative icon Ted Nugent allegedly avoided consription by sh!tt!ng his pants.

Persons living in the UK and Germany were free. Non-white persons living in their colonies, not so much.

But were they slaves? Slavery has a pretty specific definition.

As many of them, even outside of war time, were being forced to work at things that were not a job they volunteered for, and maybe were not getting paid for, I think so.

I think that the getting paid part is pretty important.

The whole point of this is that someone else posted and pointed out that there was history elsewhere being ignored and was told no there really wasn't. Except there is.

I don't deny said history. I question whether said history constitutes
slavery.

Jeff.

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