You ignore the facts that have been presented in doing so your remark
them out or remove them.

From an outside observer, excuse me for asking one single question that I have hard time understand:

Why are so many USAians so brainwashed that they cannot see that the Democrats are trying to protect the benefits that the ordinary workers have, while the Republicans are dead set to take them away?

One party has many points on their agenda, all of them beneficial to the majority of the ordinary people, the other has only two: give the most wealthy tax cuts and do everything you can to prevent the Democrats from success.

Absolutely amazing. Almost like in Russia millions of people believe that the "special military operation" in Ukraine is supposed to protect the Motherland from the Evil Americans.


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On 15 Oct 2022, Björn Felten said the following...

From an outside observer, excuse me for asking one single question
that I have hard time understand:
Why are so many USAians so brainwashed that they cannot see that the Democrats are trying to protect the benefits that the ordinary workers have, while the Republicans are dead set to take them away?

That's an easy one.

The vast majority of the brainwashed Americans are white, and only see white workers as "ordinary." From their point of view, progressive attempts to
foster equality for Americans who aren't white are seen as giving special rights to non-white Americans and taking rights, or exclusive access to specific rights, away from white Americans. The Republican party plays into that delusion every chance that they get; in fact, that was the basis of the "Southern Strategy" in the mid-20th century.

Gregory, for example, once took offense at the idea of a purple mannequin wearing a BLM t-shirt. I can only guess that it was offensive to him because
in his worldview, people of one color should only care about other people of that same color, and purple people showing support for black people was inconceivable.

Jeff.

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On 14 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

Gregory, for example, once took offense at the idea of a purple mannequin wearing a BLM t-shirt. I can only guess that it was offensive to him because in his worldview, people of one color should only care about
other people of that same color, and purple people showing support for black people was inconceivable.

cute but no cigar for you.
The simple fact remains if the mannequin was wearing a shirt that said Whitepower or lets suggest that it said "White Lives Matter", or even perhaps All Lives Matter which IS accurate by the way. All Lives Do Matter. The simple truth is that Black people would lose their shit. But why? All Lives Do Matter, so why would that be offensive. Don't know.. But I wouldn't go asking them while they are in da moment of rage, because they might stab you in the heart.

For the record, I just found it shocking and instantly thought to myself why was such merchandise even being sold. When they only make up 14% of the U.S. population, my second thought if the shirts had a message opposite of what it was suggesting which would of been White Lives Matter then the store would engulfed in flames in a matter of minutes. Do not know why this even needs to be said. Wouldn't be neat if they had shirts that suggested American Lives Matter, yeah that wouldn't not sit well either I suppose.

As far as Mr. Felten is concerned you deserve each other.
One is a socialist & the other is a Liberal, your like cousins isn't that how that works. Two peas in a pod.

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On 14 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Gregory, for example, once took offense at the idea of a purple manne wearing a BLM t-shirt. I can only guess that it was offensive to him because in his worldview, people of one color should only care about other people of that same color, and purple people showing support fo black people was inconceivable.

cute but no cigar for you.
The simple fact remains if the mannequin was wearing a shirt that said Whitepower or lets suggest that it said "White Lives Matter", or even perhaps All Lives Matter which IS accurate by the way. All Lives Do Matter. The simple truth is that Black people would lose their shit.
But why? All Lives Do Matter, so why would that be offensive. Don't
know.. But I wouldn't go asking them while they are in da moment of
rage, because they might stab you in the heart.

If that was indeed your point, then you would not have been concerned about
the color of the mannequin. But the "simple fact remains" that you were quite taken aback by the color mismatch between the mannequin and the message on
its t-shirt.

https://tinyurl.com/2ft2d8ua

Jeff.

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On 14 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 14 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Gregory, for example, once took offense at the idea of a purple wearing a BLM t-shirt. I can only guess that it was offensive to because in his worldview, people of one color should only care a other people of that same color, and purple people showing suppo black people was inconceivable.

cute but no cigar for you.
The simple fact remains if the mannequin was wearing a shirt that sai Whitepower or lets suggest that it said "White Lives Matter", or even perhaps All Lives Matter which IS accurate by the way. All Lives Do Matter. The simple truth is that Black people would lose their shit. But why? All Lives Do Matter, so why would that be offensive. Don't know.. But I wouldn't go asking them while they are in da moment of rage, because they might stab you in the heart.

If that was indeed your point, then you would not have been concerned about the color of the mannequin. But the "simple fact remains" that you were quite taken aback by the color mismatch between the mannequin and
the message on its t-shirt.

No, your twisting this as usual. I did not care and wouldn't of cared of what color the mannequin was. If it was green, blue, white or brown, it wouldn't of mattered. It was the words on the shirt that I considered to be offensive. Because as I have said if the shirt was reserved it would be equally offensive to African-Americans to the tune of a riot & chaos developing within minutes.

Why is it disturbing that a shirt that would say "All Lives Matter" be considered offensive to black people, where the same shirt would garner respect and even a nod from a white person? If you can answer that, then you will
have a complete understanding of what is wrong and furthermore it may
possible to heal from this division that is stressing out our nation.

Once again
For the record, I just found it shocking and instantly thought to myself why was such merchandise even being sold. When they only make up 14% of the U.S. population, my second thought if the shirts had a message opposite of what it was suggesting which would of been White Lives Matter then the store would engulfed in flames in a matter of minutes. Do not know why this even needs to be said. Wouldn't be neat if they had shirts that suggested American Lives Matter, yeah that wouldn't not sit well either I suppose.

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On 15 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

The simple fact remains if the mannequin was wearing a shirt tha Whitepower or lets suggest that it said "White Lives Matter", or perhaps All Lives Matter which IS accurate by the way. All Lives Matter. The simple truth is that Black people would lose their s But why? All Lives Do Matter, so why would that be offensive. Do know.. But I wouldn't go asking them while they are in da moment rage, because they might stab you in the heart.

If that was indeed your point, then you would not have been concerned about the color of the mannequin. But the "simple fact remains" that were quite taken aback by the color mismatch between the mannequin an the message on its t-shirt.

No, your twisting this as usual. I did not care and wouldn't of cared of what color the mannequin was. If it was green, blue, white or brown, it wouldn't of mattered. It was the words on the shirt that I considered to be offensive. Because as I have said if the shirt was reserved it would
be equally offensive to African-Americans to the tune of a riot & chaos developing within minutes.

If you didn't care what color the mannequin was, then how do we know it was purple? Because you made a point of saying that it was purple. But if you didn't care what color it was, why was its color an issue?

Why is it disturbing that a shirt that would say "All Lives Matter" be considered offensive to black people, where the same shirt would garner respect and even a nod from a white person? If you can answer that,
then you will have a complete understanding of what is wrong and furthermore it may possible to heal from this division that is stressing out our nation.

Normally, it wouldn't. But in the context of BLM, it belittles their cause
and is offensive.

Once again
For the record, I just found it shocking and instantly thought to myself why was such merchandise even being sold. When they only make up 14% of the U.S. population, my second thought if the shirts had a message opposite of what it was suggesting which would of been White Lives
Matter then the store would engulfed in flames in a matter of minutes.

"White Lives Matter" would be offensive because white lives are not being disproportionately taken by police brutality.

And again, we know that the mannequin was purple because that was an
important part of your reaction. You did not think that a BLM t-shirt was appropriate on a purple mannequin.

Do not know why this even needs to be said. Wouldn't be neat if they had shirts that suggested American Lives Matter, yeah that wouldn't not sit well either I suppose.

Again, against the backdrop of BLM, this would be seen as belittling their cause.

Jeff.

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Hello Greg,

[..]

As far as Mr. Felten is concerned you deserve each other.
One is a socialist & the other is a Liberal, your like cousins isn't that how that works. Two peas in a pod.

What is the difference between a socialist and a liberal?
Can you tell me? Can anybody tell me? Hell, I doubt you even
have a clue. I sure don't.

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On 15 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 15 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

The simple fact remains if the mannequin was wearing a shir Whitepower or lets suggest that it said "White Lives Matter perhaps All Lives Matter which IS accurate by the way. All Matter. The simple truth is that Black people would lose th But why? All Lives Do Matter, so why would that be offensiv know.. But I wouldn't go asking them while they are in da m rage, because they might stab you in the heart.

If that was indeed your point, then you would not have been conc about the color of the mannequin. But the "simple fact remains" were quite taken aback by the color mismatch between the mannequ the message on its t-shirt.

No, your twisting this as usual. I did not care and wouldn't of cared what color the mannequin was. If it was green, blue, white or brown, wouldn't of mattered. It was the words on the shirt that I considered be offensive. Because as I have said if the shirt was reserved it wou be equally offensive to African-Americans to the tune of a riot & cha developing within minutes.

If you didn't care what color the mannequin was, then how do we know it was purple? Because you made a point of saying that it was purple. But
if you didn't care what color it was, why was its color an issue?

You obviously cherry picked the purple part and took it out of context to try to prove your point and to vilify me in the process.
You failed on both points.

Why is it disturbing that a shirt that would say "All Lives Matter" b considered offensive to black people, where the same shirt would garn respect and even a nod from a white person? If you can answer that, then you will have a complete understanding of what is wrong and furthermore it may possible to heal from this division that is stress out our nation.

Normally, it wouldn't. But in the context of BLM, it belittles their
cause and is offensive.

I think more must be said as to why a shirt labeled "All Lives Matter" would cause this to be disturbing to some black people. For such a shirt to cause conflict or to be viewed as belittling shows obvious ignorance and why is
that? Is it because some lack the education or the necessary understanding to correctly process the true meaning? or are they so conditioned by living in the ghetto that this uncontrolled rage is a way of life for some?

Furthermore why do "White Neighborhoods" post Black Lives Matter signs in
their front yard. It is obvious as to why they do that. So if one of these so called "peaceful protests" develop; they think that this sign will act as shield and protect their home and keep their windows from being smashed.

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On 15 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

If you didn't care what color the mannequin was, then how do we know was purple? Because you made a point of saying that it was purple. Bu if you didn't care what color it was, why was its color an issue?

You obviously cherry picked the purple part and took it out of context
to try to prove your point and to vilify me in the process.
You failed on both points.

In fact, if your point was what you say it was, you didn't even need the mannequin to make it. And yet, there was a mannequin and it was purple.

Why is it disturbing that a shirt that would say "All Lives Matt considered offensive to black people, where the same shirt would respect and even a nod from a white person? If you can answer t then you will have a complete understanding of what is wrong and furthermore it may possible to heal from this division that is s out our nation.

Normally, it wouldn't. But in the context of BLM, it belittles their cause and is offensive.

I think more must be said as to why a shirt labeled "All Lives Matter" would cause this to be disturbing to some black people. For such a shirt to cause conflict or to be viewed as belittling shows obvious ignorance and why is that? Is it because some lack the education or the necessary understanding to correctly process the true meaning? or are they so conditioned by living in the ghetto that this uncontrolled rage is a way of life for some?

Wow, your racism is on full display today.

It's belittling because it's an obvious response to "Black Lives Matter" and
is basically saying, "Shut up." "All Lives" are not affected by police brutality.

Furthermore why do "White Neighborhoods" post Black Lives Matter signs in their front yard. It is obvious as to why they do that. So if one of
these so called "peaceful protests" develop; they think that this sign will act as shield and protect their home and keep their windows from being smashed.

More blatant racism. White people are allowed to support the BLM cause.
Perhaps there's a non-racist in your "white neighborhood."

Jeff.

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On 15 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

Normally, it wouldn't. But in the context of BLM, it belittles t cause and is offensive.

I think more must be said as to why a shirt labeled "All Lives Matter would cause this to be disturbing to some black people. For such a sh to cause conflict or to be viewed as belittling shows obvious ignoran and why is that? Is it because some lack the education or the necessa understanding to correctly process the true meaning? or are they so conditioned by living in the ghetto that this uncontrolled rage is a of life for some?

Wow, your racism is on full display today.

So I'm racist now? Because you do not have it within you to process the information, to come to the same conclusion as I have?
Curious what page is that within your copy of the Democratic playbook?
You did NOT even notice that I said "some" - multiple times....
Thanks for playing along.

Another logical question for you why wasn't a shirt that said Black Lives Matter considered to be offensive to White People?
Is it because most are not offended by such things or is it because the
reasons that I provided above?
Oh I know what it is that your going to say, as you turn the page on that Democratic Playbook as a picture chucky schumer w/ the fake crocodile tears comes into focus.
Police Brutality? How about obeying the freaking law and being compliant
and courteous with Police? George Floyd or any of the 229 people need not
of died. Point a gun at a cop, and your as good as dead, and it does not
matter the color of your skin is either. You can believe, what you want to believe. I wish that none of those names were on that list, we all might be at least a little more united than we are today.
https://tinyurl.com/55s6cztk

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On 15 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

On 15 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

Normally, it wouldn't. But in the context of BLM, it belitt cause and is offensive.

I think more must be said as to why a shirt labeled "All Lives M would cause this to be disturbing to some black people. For such to cause conflict or to be viewed as belittling shows obvious ig and why is that? Is it because some lack the education or the ne understanding to correctly process the true meaning? or are they conditioned by living in the ghetto that this uncontrolled rage of life for some?

Wow, your racism is on full display today.

So I'm racist now? Because you do not have it within you to process the information, to come to the same conclusion as I have?

No, because non-racist people don't insinuate that all black people live in
the ghetto and are inherently violent.

Curious what page is that within your copy of the Democratic playbook?

The page that says to treat everyone with respect and dignity, regardless of race.

You did NOT even notice that I said "some" - multiple times....

That does not even come close to excusing your assumptions.

Another logical question for you why wasn't a shirt that said Black Lives Matter considered to be offensive to White People?
Is it because most are not offended by such things or is it because the reasons that I provided above?

Give the ongoing issue of disproportionate police brutality towards black people, many white people do not consider BLM t-shirts to be offensive.

Oh I know what it is that your going to say, as you turn the page on that Democratic Playbook as a picture chucky schumer w/ the fake crocodile tears comes into focus.
Police Brutality? How about obeying the freaking law and being compliant and courteous with Police?

That seems to work for white people most of the time. Black people, not so much. For a black person, reaching for their wallet or insurance information can be deadly.

George Floyd or any of the 229 people need not
of died. Point a gun at a cop, and your as good as dead, and it does not matter the color of your skin is either.

That is demonstrably false. Plenty of armed (and unarmed) criminals are taken alive. Also, George Floyd wasn't armed. The person who killed him was found guilty by a jury and sentenced to prison.

I wish that none of those names were on that list, we all
might be at least a little more united than we are today.

Indeed, we might. So why not try to change things?

Jeff.

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On 15 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

George Floyd wasn't armed. The person who killed him
was found guilty by a jury and sentenced to prison.

George Floyd did not follow to Police instruction, as he did not get into the squad car as instructed. I do remember that the reason he gave was because he stated that he was claustrophobic but he also had 4x lethal dose of Fentanyl this could of been the reason for his impaired judgment. The ford van that he drove to the corner store was also cramped as well. So the fentanyl could of been the reason his judgment was impaired. Pressure with knee to the neck should of never been used. Police everywhere should be held accountable for choke holds, or a knee to the neck due to the high threshold of cutting off an airway. I no way condone or have ever have condoned the killing of this man, and it may be of some interest for you to know that neither did President Trump. I do believe that this tragedy has promoted change within police departments.

I wish that none of those names were on that list, we all
might be at least a little more united than we are today.

Indeed, we might. So why not try to change things?

So how do we start?
I am still Conservative and your still Liberal. Neither of us are going to change but I am more then willing to listen to ideas and to formulate positive changes. I think it is very possible to be greater than the sum of our parts
to put an end to the division. This is going to be a herculean task because there will be those that will resist and I am not talking you or myself or for that matter anyone else within the Fidonet community. As I have been
suggesting I do believe this begins with accountability and responsibility.

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On 15 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

George Floyd wasn't armed. The person who killed him
was found guilty by a jury and sentenced to prison.

George Floyd did not follow to Police instruction, as he did not get
into the squad car as instructed. I do remember that the reason he gave was because he stated that he was claustrophobic but he also had 4x
lethal dose of Fentanyl this could of been the reason for his impaired judgment.

He did have fentanyl in his system, but not "4x lethal dose."

The ford van that he drove to the corner store was also
cramped as well. So the fentanyl could of been the reason his judgment
was impaired.

Claustrophibics can have different responses to familiar vs. strange places.

Pressure with knee to the neck should of never been used.
Police everywhere should be held accountable for choke holds, or a knee
to the neck due to the high threshold of cutting off an airway. I no way condone or have ever have condoned the killing of this man, and it may
be of some interest for you to know that neither did President Trump. I
do believe that this tragedy has promoted change within police departments.

Still, when was the last time you heard of a white guy that didn't follow directions dying from a knee to the neck?

I wish that none of those names were on that list, we all
might be at least a little more united than we are today.

Indeed, we might. So why not try to change things?

So how do we start?

Well, we bring attention to the disproportionate number of police brutality incidents committed against black people, for a start.

I am still Conservative and your still Liberal. Neither of us are going
to change but I am more then willing to listen to ideas and to formulate positive changes. I think it is very possible to be greater than the sum of our parts to put an end to the division. This is going to be a herculean task because there will be those that will resist and I am not talking you or myself or for that matter anyone else within the Fidonet community. As I have been suggesting I do believe this begins with accountability and responsibility.

Let's both get "Black Lives Matter" t-shirts then, and maybe some yard signs
as well.

Jeff.

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From their point of view, progressive attempts to
foster equality for Americans who aren't white are seen as giving special rights to non-white Americans and taking rights, or exclusive access to specific rights, away from white Americans.

When did they remove Critical Thinking from the curriculum in the schools in the US? I mean, even a semi retard like someone from Cult 45 should be able to interpret statistics like this:

http://eljaco.se/EQU/

... and then draw the right conclusion, no?


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On 15 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

On 15 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

George Floyd wasn't armed. The person who killed him
was found guilty by a jury and sentenced to prison.

George Floyd did not follow to Police instruction, as he did not get into the squad car as instructed. I do remember that the reason he ga was because he stated that he was claustrophobic but he also had 4x lethal dose of Fentanyl this could of been the reason for his impaire judgment.

He did have fentanyl in his system, but not "4x lethal dose."

It was enough to kill an elephant, he was just a man.

Let's both get "Black Lives Matter" t-shirts then, and maybe some yard signs as well.

Not so fast, with all of that, but Yes lets get back to what is really going on. I could go on and on here but undoubtedly you would refer to my comments being "world salad" or you may find my explanations for the origins of BLM as racist, because you have no ability to process the real truth of which is due liberal beliefs. Would you also find a African-American female information racist well? BLM was a 80 Million complete sham according to their IRS form 990. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JfMiXbVH4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP3n5SvOqck
These facts do very much put cold water on your previous points.

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On 17 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

He did have fentanyl in his system, but not "4x lethal dose."

It was enough to kill an elephant, he was just a man.

No, it wasn't. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floy d-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
(https://tinyurl.com/25e5uner)

Let's both get "Black Lives Matter" t-shirts then, and maybe some yar signs as well.

Not so fast, with all of that, but Yes lets get back to what is really going on. I could go on and on here but undoubtedly you would refer to
my comments being "world salad" or you may find my explanations for the origins of BLM as racist, because you have no ability to process the
real truth of which is due liberal beliefs. Would you also find a African-American female information racist well? BLM was a 80 Million complete sham according to their IRS form 990. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JfMiXbVH4U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP3n5SvOqck These facts do very much put cold water on your previous points.

No, they don't. The BLM movement is separate from the BLM organization.

Anyway, how would you suggest that we raise public awareness of disproportionate police brutality towards black people?

Jeff.

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Give the ongoing issue of disproportionate police brutality towards black people, many white people do not consider BLM t-shirts to be offensive.

How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of, and a whole bunch o white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers are just as accurate as yours.

From now on let's just hold our fingers up and say "THIS many!"

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Still, when was the last time you heard of a white guy that didn't follow directions dying from a knee to the neck?

When was the first time you heard of a black guy dying from knee to the neck?

It doesn't happen every day!

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On 16 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Give the ongoing issue of disproportionate police brutality towards b people, many white people do not consider BLM t-shirts to be offensiv

How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of, and a whole bunch o white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers are just as accurate as yours.

For starters, there were a lot of white people participating in the BLM protests. For another, there are a lot of white people who aren't racist and offended by black people standing up for their rights.

From now on let's just hold our fingers up and say "THIS many!"

"Many" means "more than a few, and definitely more than zero."

If you want exact numbers, look them up.

Jeff.

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On 16 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Still, when was the last time you heard of a white guy that didn't fo directions dying from a knee to the neck?

When was the first time you heard of a black guy dying from knee to the neck?
It doesn't happen every day!

No, the means of execution do differ from case to case.

Jeff.

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How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of, and a who bunch o white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers are j as accurate as yours.

For starters, there were a lot of white people participating in the BLM protests. For another, there are a lot of white people who aren't racist and offended by black people standing up for their rights.

You stopped saying "many" only so you can start saying "a lot" instead.

How many oats are in Quaker Oats' Buncha Oats cereal? A whole buncha, that's how many! ;)

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On 23 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of, and bunch o white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers as accurate as yours.

For starters, there were a lot of white people participating in the B protests. For another, there are a lot of white people who aren't rac and offended by black people standing up for their rights.

You stopped saying "many" only so you can start saying "a lot" instead.

If you want exact numbers, look them up.

How many oats are in Quaker Oats' Buncha Oats cereal? A whole buncha, that's how many! ;)

Indeed. That would be a descriptive estimate.

Jeff.

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On 10-16-22 04:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: For the Snowflakes <=-

Give the ongoing issue of disproportionate police brutality towards black people, many white people do not consider BLM t-shirts to be offensive.

How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of,
and a whole bunch o
white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers are
just as accurate as
yours.

Then those people do not really grok what BLM means and they need to be educated about what BLM really means.

Dale Shipp
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On 10-16-22 04:50, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: It's a start <=-

Still, when was the last time you heard of a white guy that didn't follow directions dying from a knee to the neck?

When was the first time you heard of a black guy dying from knee to
the neck?
It doesn't happen every day!

Knee to the back, shot in the back, shot while jogging -- All are
examples that have happened and are serious errors by the assailants.

Dale Shipp
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On 19 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

No, they don't. The BLM movement is separate from the BLM organization.

BLM Organization Vs BLM Movement: A Semantic Trap
https://tinyurl.com/57chwxut

An overwhelming majority of Americans agree with the truism that Black lives matter, myself included. Black lives do matter. Police brutality is abhorrent and we should always strive to see that everyone has the opportunity to
realize the American Dream as MLK called for.

==
MLK was for the use of peace above all else.
Which does not obviously include any actions of violence, but many of these
so called peaceful protests have been violent with fires in the very same communities and neighborhoods that they are living within.
Which is why there has been a whole lots of sugarcoating going.
Including looting, but yet claiming the reasoning is due Police Brutality.
It does not make any sense to scream and holler about Police Brutality when you're all the while breaking the law. Peaceful Protests are fine and a constitutional right, but so many of these get out of hand and become
something else then a Peace Protest.

BLM raised nearly 80 Million, where did the money go.
It did not include the improvement of these Black communities, but it did buy several buy several mansions for Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood.
https://tinyurl.com/bdf5dewj

Rashad Turner, who founded the BLM chapter in St. Paul, Minnesota, claims he had no choice but to leave as the movement "doesn't care about helping black families".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15136535/blm-founder-quit-ugly-truth/
===

https://tinyurl.com/57chwxut
continued..
Conflating that sentiment with the organization of the same name (BLM) is a tactic frequently used to dismiss legitimate discussion of said
organization and its policy positions. This is a semantic trap used by
those who fluidly pivot between the broader movement and the BLM
organization, which stifles dialogue and avoids discussion of contentious positions of the organization BLM that warrant deliberation.

BLM the organization has called for and supported extensive, and at times total, defunding the police, a policy polling shows is not supported by a majority of Americans, myself included, who agree that Black lives do
matter and recognize that low crime rates save lives.

On their website, BLM the organization advocates to "disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure," while studies have shown the importance of fatherhood on raising children. I strongly disagree with this position and would encourage people to read Obama's June 2008 speech on the importance of fatherhood.

Through chapters BLM the organization has advocated far-left policies. For example, BLM DC openly dedicates itself to the abolition of capitalism.

These positions and more warrant a broad discussion. Like others, I
volunteered to get involved locally because I care and wanted to be a part
of the dialogue on important issues. Mr Zakur is incorrect in his statement that I did not lead with recognition; I always have. Despite his claims otherwise, BLM the organization and its chapters do openly seek to achieve
some of their objectives "by dismantling our American principals and structures." This is concerning. Nothing of what I have said is imagined and I can provide sources should one wish to read them, many from the website of BLM and its chapters.

Just as I may consider myself a patriot, yet disagree with aspects of the Patriot Act, in the same respect we should be able to have objective conversations about these specific policies without chastising those
raising concerns as though they broadly do not think Black lives matter.

Perhaps some do not realize there is more to BLM the organization than the title, or that it and the movement are not one and the same. Sadly though, others clearly capitalize on this as a bullying tactic to silence dissent
by misrepresenting those who may raise concerns, often personally.

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Give the ongoing issue of disproportionate police brutality towards black
people, many white people do not consider BLM t-shirts to be offensive.

How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of, and a whole bunch white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers are just as accurate a
yours.

I don't find the statement that "Black Lives Matter" or seeing it on a
t-shirt to be offensive because it is a true statement.

I do find some of the (not) peaceful protests that were held under the
supposed guise of supporting the movement offensive because the non-peaceful bits were (1) not peaceful and (2) didn't seem to target those who caused the original incidents that the protests were protesting. I also don't think
most of them did much to raise positive awareness of any issues that needed
to be addressed.

The organization is also a different matter. They seem to make a lot of
money for their leaders which looks to me like making profits off of
tragedies. I have never seen a good explanation of how this is not so.

I think it is important to separate the true statement from some of what
has been done supposedly to support the cause and from the organization
that uses that name. Otherwise, the truth is not heard over the noise.


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Still, when was the last time you heard of a white guy that didn't follow
directions dying from a knee to the neck?

When was the first time you heard of a black guy dying from knee to the neck?

Once.

The damning evidence against the policeman in this case was not the hold he used to restrain Floyd but the fact that medical assistance was denied.
That came out from a witness during the trial and I don't think it was ever refuted.

If a medical professional identifies that someone is experiencing a medical emergency, offers aid, and that aid is denied by the police, then that cop
is responsible for anything that happens as a result.


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On 23 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

No, they don't. The BLM movement is separate from the BLM organizatio

BLM Organization Vs BLM Movement: A Semantic Trap https://tinyurl.com/57chwxut

Anyone can wear a BLM t-shirt or participate in a BLM protest without being part of the BLM organization.

An overwhelming majority of Americans agree with the truism that Black lives matter, myself included. Black lives do matter. Police brutality
is abhorrent and we should always strive to see that everyone has the opportunity to realize the American Dream as MLK called for.

Ok...

MLK was for the use of peace above all else.
Which does not obviously include any actions of violence, but many of these so called peaceful protests have been violent with fires in the
very same communities and neighborhoods that they are living within.

Compared to the number of peaceful BLM protests, the acts of violence were relatively few and involved a small number of individuals in a vastly larger group of protesters. The violent people were not members of the BLM organization.

Which is why there has been a whole lots of sugarcoating going.

In fact the media, and especially the conservative media, focused on the acts of violence far more than the larger protests. There were many protests where no violence occurred. The "sugarcoating" is a response to that.

Including looting, but yet claiming the reasoning is due Police
Brutality. It does not make any sense to scream and holler about Police Brutality when you're all the while breaking the law. Peaceful Protests are fine and a constitutional right, but so many of these get out of
hand and become something else then a Peace Protest.

A few got out of hand. The same thing has been known to happen in response to sporting event outcomes.

BLM raised nearly 80 Million, where did the money go.
It did not include the improvement of these Black communities, but it
did buy several buy several mansions for Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors recently purchased a $1.4 million home in an exclusive Los Angeles neighborhood.
https://tinyurl.com/bdf5dewj

Presumably it went to operating costs and efforts to bring attention to the cause. The house-buying story isn't "recent," and one can "purchase" a $1.4 million home for considerably less than $1.4 million. Most home "purchases"
are achieved with a down-payment and financed over time.

Rashad Turner, who founded the BLM chapter in St. Paul, Minnesota,
claims he had no choice but to leave as the movement "doesn't care about helping black families". https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15136535/blm-founder-quit-ugly-truth/

The goal of BLM is to bring attention to police violence against black
people, not to help black families. That's like saying that the American
Cancer Society doesn't care about helping COVID-19 victims.

Conflating that sentiment with the organization of the same name (BLM)
is a tactic frequently used to dismiss legitimate discussion of said organization and its policy positions. This is a semantic trap used by those who fluidly pivot between the broader movement and the BLM organization, which stifles dialogue and avoids discussion of contentious positions of the organization BLM that warrant deliberation.

Again, one does not need to be a part of the organization in order to further its message or participate in protests.

BLM the organization has called for and supported extensive, and at times total, defunding the police, a policy polling shows is not supported by a majority of Americans, myself included, who agree that Black lives do matter and recognize that low crime rates save lives.

"Defunding the police" was an unfortunate name given to the idea that police should not be handling non-violent incidents involving the mentally ill, etc.

On their website, BLM the organization advocates to "disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure," while studies have shown
the importance of fatherhood on raising children. I strongly disagree
with this position and would encourage people to read Obama's June 2008 speech on the importance of fatherhood.

No, they don't. You left out a word. Their web page says that they "disrupt
the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure *requirement* by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable." (Emphasis mine)

Why would you leave out the word "requirement?"

Through chapters BLM the organization has advocated far-left policies.
For example, BLM DC openly dedicates itself to the abolition of capitalism.

No, it doesn't. It opposes unfettered capitalism, but that is not its primary mission and it hasn't "dedicated" itself to the "abolition of capitalism."

Despite
his claims otherwise, BLM the organization and its chapters do openly
seek to achieve some of their objectives "by dismantling our American principals and structures." This is concerning.

Indeed it is! I wouldn't want to be a person in charge of a school;
dismantling sounds painful! At least they're not going after our American principles, though.

This is concerning. Nothing of what I have
said is imagined and I can provide sources should one wish to read them, many from the website of BLM and its chapters.

You misquoted their website.

Just as I may consider myself a patriot, yet disagree with aspects of the Patriot Act, in the same respect we should be able to have objective conversations about these specific policies without chastising those raising concerns as though they broadly do not think Black lives matter.

The primary mission of BLM is to raise awareness of police brutality against black people. The part of their web page that you quoted from is not their mission statement, but their statement of beliefs.

Perhaps some do not realize there is more to BLM the organization than
the title, or that it and the movement are not one and the same. Sadly though, others clearly capitalize on this as a bullying tactic to
silence dissent by misrepresenting those who may raise concerns, often personally.

The only misrepresentation here has been by you.

Jeff.

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How many is "many?" Let me point out that several, lots of, bunch o white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my num as accurate as yours.

For starters, there were a lot of white people participating in protests. For another, there are a lot of white people who aren' and offended by black people standing up for their rights.

You stopped saying "many" only so you can start saying "a lot" instea

If you want exact numbers, look them up.

There's no looking it up. There's no "exact numbers" of "white people who participated in the George Floyd Counterfeit $20 Riots.

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white people are offended by "B.L.M." Surely my numbers are
just as accurate as
yours.

Then those people do not really grok what BLM means and they need to be educated about what BLM really means.

The name says it all. What does BLM do for native Americans or for asians?

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Knee to the back, shot in the back, shot while jogging -- All are
examples that have happened and are serious errors by the assailants.

What good does it do to point out that they're all black? It makes people scared for no reason. And it makes people think that "it only happens to blacks." (That's not the case!)

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I don't find the statement that "Black Lives Matter" or seeing it on a t-shirt to be offensive because it is a true statement.

For an organization to be "pro-" any color, is racist. If something doesn't serve people of all colors, then it's an abomination. But if it gets Democrats elected, then sleazy leftists are all for it.

The organization is also a different matter. They seem to make a lot of money for their leaders which looks to me like making profits off of tragedies. I have never seen a good explanation of how this is not so.

That's what the media does. Could it be just an honest coincidence that
not *many* people have heard of BLM until the Floyd Riotfest?

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When was the first time you heard of a black guy dying from knee to the

Once.

The damning evidence against the policeman in this case was not the hold he used to restrain Floyd but the fact that medical assistance was
denied. That came out from a witness during the trial and I don't think
it was ever refuted.

Yea but Jeff's arguing that "it only happens to blacks," when in reality, he's not actually monitoring police radios and obituaries in all cities 24/7, and neither is anyone in the media. He's just obeying the media's bible. There are deaths by police with people of other colors, but not every "story" becomes a story in the national news.

People like Al Sharpton are listening, but Al's only listening for ways to exploit people of his own color. Had Al been interested in helping all victims of police brutality, then his alarm would go off when people of other colors get killed by police also. But that's not the way of the opportunist.

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On 23 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

If you want exact numbers, look them up.

There's no looking it up. There's no "exact numbers" of "white people who participated in the George Floyd Counterfeit $20 Riots.

I didn't say the "riots," I said the "protests." And there is photographic evidence. Was it more than 0%? Yes. Was it less than 100%? Yes. Was it a non-trivial percentage? Yes.

Jeff.

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On 23 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

The damning evidence against the policeman in this case was not the h he used to restrain Floyd but the fact that medical assistance was denied. That came out from a witness during the trial and I don't thi it was ever refuted.

Yea but Jeff's arguing that "it only happens to blacks," when in
reality, he's not actually monitoring police radios and obituaries in
all cities 24/7, and neither is anyone in the media. He's just obeying
the media's bible. There are deaths by police with people of other
colors, but not every "story" becomes a story in the national news.

I've never said that it happens only to black people. I have, however, said that it disproportionately happens to black people.

Jeff.

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Hello Greg,

MLK was for the use of peace above all else.
Which does not obviously include any actions of violence, but many of these
so called peaceful protests have been violent with fires in the very same communities and neighborhoods that they are living within. Which is why there has been a whole lots of sugarcoating going.

Peace. But at what cost? We know what happened to MLK. And his
black life really mattered. And so do all black lives, regardless
of their own status in life.

Including looting, but yet claiming the reasoning is due Police Brutality.

What makes you think looting is only a black activity?
Systemic racism is evil. So is police brutality. There is
no excuse for such evil to be perpetuated on any group or
people. Such evil should always be condemned, by all.

It does not make any sense to scream and holler about Police Brutality when
you're all the while breaking the law.

Police brutality is evil. Absolutely no excuse for it. Period.
If an individual is caught breaking the law, make a legal arrest.
Without beating the crap out of him/her just for the fun of it.

What is happening today is even worse. Police are beating the crap
out of people just for the fun it, including those who were simply
minding their own business (such as eating a hamburger in their
own car).

Peaceful Protests are fine and a constitutional right, but so many of these
get out of hand and become something else then a Peace Protest.

Jesse Jackson, Jr. has been arrested, many times, taking part
in peaceful protests. He is proud of it. And so was MLK.

Does that mean that either of them acted in a violent manner?
The fellow who offed MLK certainly did. But he never took part
in any peaceful protest. So police let him do his own thing.
After all, he was a white guy. In a black part of Memphis.

BLM raised nearly 80 Million, where did the money go.

A good cause.

[..]

Just as I may consider myself a patriot

What makes you think you are a patriot? Worship of orange Jesus
does not make anybody a patriot. And yet, MAGA idiots continue to
do so. MAGA idiots such as Kevin McCarthy.

Found on a blog, by anonymous -

Republicans Are Supporting Putin/Saudi Arabia In Return for Help
In Nov Election

We have all heard how Republicans have been signaling that if they
control Congress, they will begin to oppose US support for Ukraine.

Kevin McCarthy’s Threatens To Cut Ukraine Aid At A Vital Moment

Support for Ukraine is shifting among Republicans

In return, Russia and Saudi Arabia have further cut oil supplies the
November election when inflation started to moderate in order to spike
gas prices and increase inflation to aid Republicans:

Saudi Arabia pushed other OPEC nations into oil cut, White House claims https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/white-house-pushes-back -saudi-claim-oil-cut-was-purely-economic-2022-10-13/

What does Saudi Arabia get out of this? More oil friendly policies such
as roll backs efforts to promote fuel efficiency and support for cuts
in oil production to aid the oil industry similar to US policy under
Trump:

Special Report: Trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military
support - sources https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport /special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-u-s-military -support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4

Trump finalizes rollback of Obama-era vehicle fuel efficiency standards https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-autos-emissions/trump-finalizes -rollback-of-obama-era-vehicle-fuel-efficiency-standards-idUSKBN21I25S

So, you have Republicans willing to actively support a US adversary
in Russia and US dependence on foreign oil, including Russia, in order
to win elections by signaling to Russia that they will oppose support
for Ukraine. In return, Russia and Saudi Arabia will make effort to
increase oil prices near the election to improve Republican chances of controlling Congress with Republicans blaming Biden, and giving Putin
and Saudi Arabia a free pass. and echoing Russian talking points in the
right wing media.

It is unethical, unpatriotic and treasonous, but Trump showed that this
works and with a vast right wing media apparatus to run interference, Republicans can blatantly coordinate with forces hostile to interest of Americans. If Republicans control Congress, and Russia wins in Ukraine, Republicans will happily sell out Europe, which will underscore that
the U.S. in unreliable as an ally. Thus, Russia can continue to expand
and threaten Europe.

Likewise, as Republicans oppose fuel efficiency standards and work
with oil producing countries to increase US dependence on oil, the oil
industry will reward Republicans with millions in campaign support,
which does not include the value of support provided by Russia and
Saudi Arabia.

For Life,
Lee

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I don't find the statement that "Black Lives Matter" or seeing it on a t-shirt to be offensive because it is a true statement.

For an organization to be "pro-" any color, is racist. If something doesn't serve people of all colors, then it's an abomination. But if it gets Democrats
elected, then sleazy leftists are all for it.

Not necessarily. I think you can be pro- something (except maybe white!)
and not be considered anti- everything else. That said, it depends on the person. If they find offense in someone claiming, "yes that is true
because all lives matter," then I see a possible double-standard.

Leftist usually are for what gets Democrats elected.

The organization is also a different matter. They seem to make a lot of money for their leaders which looks to me like making profits off of tragedies. I have never seen a good explanation of how this is not so.

That's what the media does. Could it be just an honest coincidence that
not *many* people have heard of BLM until the Floyd Riotfest?

I am not sure if that is true or not, but I am sure they capitalized on the attention they got during the Summer of 2020.


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Once.

The damning evidence against the policeman in this case was not the hold he used to restrain Floyd but the fact that medical assistance was denied. That came out from a witness during the trial and I don't think it was ever refuted.

Yea but Jeff's arguing that "it only happens to blacks," when in reality, he's
not actually monitoring police radios and obituaries in all cities 24/7, and neither is anyone in the media. He's just obeying the media's bible. There are
deaths by police with people of other colors, but not every "story" becomes a story in the national news.

If it makes the news, that is usually the case. Maybe you could do some research of your own and find something that refutes what Jeff says?

People like Al Sharpton are listening, but Al's only listening for ways to exploit people of his own color. Had Al been interested in helping all victims
of police brutality, then his alarm would go off when people of other colors get killed by police also. But that's not the way of the opportunist.

There is an activist in Louisville, Kentucky named Christopher 2X. I have
not seen him on the news in a while, but he seems to stand up for the
community as a whole. Especially, but not just, the African-American community. He seems like someone who really wants to help resolve
community conflicts. There is also a movement in Lexington where older,
and high-profile, male black citizens apparently get together and try to
figure out ways to make things better, serve as positive role models, etc.

Those kind of hands-on, and not always in front of camera, approaches
probably help a lot more than people who show up while the cameras are
rolling, point fingers, and then disappear.

Speaking of Al Sharpton, have you seen him in the media lately? I have not
in quite a while.


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Compared to the number of peaceful BLM protests, the acts of violence were relatively few and involved a small number of individuals in a vastly larger group of protesters. The violent people were not members of the BLM organization.

I don't think we know that for sure. It might be more accurate to say that
BLM distanced themselves from those individuals, or doesn't claim them as members. I am assuming they did one of those two things, just as Rose City Antifa did against the "other" "antifa" protesters in Portland.

In fact the media, and especially the conservative media, focused on the acts of violence far more than the larger protests. There were many protests where no violence occurred. The "sugarcoating" is a response to that.

Part of the problem here is that the mainstream media would stand in front
of a scene with a fire in the background and try to pass the whole day's
events off as "peaceful." From what I can tell, many places were like Louisville... mostly peaceful during the day, mostly not so peaceful once
the Sun went down.

"Mostly not so peaceful" is more likely to get news coverage, conservative
or otherwise, sugarcoated or otherwise.

A few got out of hand. The same thing has been known to happen in response to sporting event outcomes.

Hmmmm... you are not one of those soccer hooligans are you? :D

Presumably it went to operating costs and efforts to bring attention to the cause. The house-buying story isn't "recent," and one can "purchase" a $1.4 million home for considerably less than $1.4 million. Most home "purchases" are achieved with a down-payment and financed over time.

To get a loan (from a proper lender!) they have to believe that you can pay
the home off. To get a mortgage on a $1.4 million home, I would have had
to prove I have a *lot* of money and a way to continue earning that money
over the period of the mortgage.

Now, there are/were lenders that didn't do their proper homework and/or fed
on people who were buying more than they could ever afford. That is what
leads to housing market disasters.


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On 24 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Leftist usually are for what gets Democrats elected.

Well, that's an interesting statement. Why might that be?

Could it be that Democrats run on issues that matter to leftists?

Could it also be that Republicans run on issues that matter to rightists?

Would that also mean that "rightists usually are for what gets Republicans elected?"

It's a strange phrasing, almost as if you're saying leftists respond to Democrat issues rather than the other way around.

Jeff.

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On 24 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Compared to the number of peaceful BLM protests, the acts of violence we relatively few and involved a small number of individuals in a vastly la group of protesters. The violent people were not members of the BLM organization.

I don't think we know that for sure. It might be more accurate to say that BLM distanced themselves from those individuals, or doesn't claim them as members. I am assuming they did one of those two things, just
as Rose City Antifa did against the "other" "antifa" protesters in Portland.

We know that there were thousands of protests across the country, and we know that not all of the protesters in any one location that had riots,
participated in those riots. In fact, very few did.

In fact the media, and especially the conservative media, focused on the of violence far more than the larger protests. There were many protests no violence occurred. The "sugarcoating" is a response to that.

Part of the problem here is that the mainstream media would stand in
front of a scene with a fire in the background and try to pass the whole day's events off as "peaceful." From what I can tell, many places were like Louisville... mostly peaceful during the day, mostly not so
peaceful once the Sun went down.

Or, conversely, part of the problem is that conservative media would stand in front of a scene with a fire in the background and try to pass the events at every protest across the country as violent.

Which is more true? The vast majority of protests were non-violent.

"Mostly not so peaceful" is more likely to get news coverage,
conservative or otherwise, sugarcoated or otherwise.

Agreed.

A few got out of hand. The same thing has been known to happen in respon sporting event outcomes.

Hmmmm... you are not one of those soccer hooligans are you? :D

No, but I've seen them on TV. Football fans will do it, too, but not as often.

Presumably it went to operating costs and efforts to bring attention to cause. The house-buying story isn't "recent," and one can "purchase" a $ million home for considerably less than $1.4 million. Most home "purchas are achieved with a down-payment and financed over time.

To get a loan (from a proper lender!) they have to believe that you can pay the home off. To get a mortgage on a $1.4 million home, I would
have had to prove I have a *lot* of money and a way to continue earning that money over the period of the mortgage.

True, but you would not have needed $1.4 million. If you had $1.4 million to spend on a home, you could have saved yourself a lot of money in interest payments.

Now, there are/were lenders that didn't do their proper homework and/or fed on people who were buying more than they could ever afford. That is what leads to housing market disasters.

It's possible that was a factor; it's possible that it wasn't.

Jeff.

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On 10-23-22 15:25, Aaron Thomas <=-
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Then those people do not really grok what BLM means and they need to be educated about what BLM really means.

The name says it all. What does BLM do for native Americans or for
asians?

It is not for them, why should it be? They can mount their own fights
against prejudice and oppression.

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On 10-23-22 15:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: It's a start <=-

Knee to the back, shot in the back, shot while jogging -- All are
examples that have happened and are serious errors by the assailants.

What good does it do to point out that they're all black? It makes
people scared for no reason. And it makes people think that "it only happens to blacks." (That's not the case!)

If it happens to whites, it is not in the same portional amounts as to
blacks, nor simply for the reason that they are white.

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deaths by police with people of other colors, but not every "story" beco story in the national news.

If it makes the news, that is usually the case. Maybe you could do some research of your own and find something that refutes what Jeff says?

I have in the past. I explained about an unarmed native American man being killed by police in New Mexico (maybe 2 years ago) while all this Floyd stuff was going on. I only learned about it because I read local New Mexico news regularly, but it was never mentioned by the big dawgs (national news.)

A story like that would ruin their "it only happens to blacks" narrative.
BLACK votes (13.6%) are more valuable than native American votes (1.7%) so they certainly didn't have any use for some non-black cases to muddy up their propaganda.

There is an activist in Louisville, Kentucky named Christopher 2X. I
have not seen him on the news in a while, but he seems to stand up for
the community as a whole. Especially, but not just, the African-American community. He seems like someone who really wants to help resolve community conflicts. There is also a movement in Lexington where older, and high-profile, male black citizens apparently get together and try to figure out ways to make things better, serve as positive role models,
etc.

He sounds like a great guy. That's the way it should be. Helping 1 color at a time is BS.

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Compared to the number of peaceful BLM protests, the acts of violence we relatively few and involved a small number of individuals in a vastly la group of protesters. The violent people were not members of the BLM organization.

I don't think we know that for sure. It might be more accurate to say

We definitely don't know that for sure. He's having delusions. Not all of the "violent people" involved with the George Floyd Race Riots have even been caught yet. But rest assured, that "the violent people were not members of the BLM organization." ;) (Those were like, uh, some other guys.)

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Would that also mean that "rightists usually are for what gets
Republicans elected?"

No. Rightists don't have an agenda. There's no pile of cocaine at the end of our rainbows. I won't have a mental breakdown if a leftist gets the last word in.

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The name says it all. What does BLM do for native Americans or for asians?

It is not for them, why should it be? They can mount their own fights against prejudice and oppression.

Whoever invented BLM needs to learn how to be considerate of others. The world wasn't made for black people; it was made for everyone.

Their chief complaint was "police brutality," they don't care that it happens to people of other colors, and they only care about themselves. They're a racist organization, complaining about racism.

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What good does it do to point out that they're all black? It makes people scared for no reason. And it makes people think that "it only happens to blacks." (That's not the case!)

If it happens to whites, it is not in the same portional amounts as to blacks, nor simply for the reason that they are white.

I think you mean "the media reports of blacks being killed isn't proportional with the media reports of other colors being killed." And you're right about that.

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On 25 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

deaths by police with people of other colors, but not every "story" story in the national news.

If it makes the news, that is usually the case. Maybe you could do s research of your own and find something that refutes what Jeff says?

I have in the past. I explained about an unarmed native American man
being killed by police in New Mexico (maybe 2 years ago) while all this Floyd stuff was going on. I only learned about it because I read local
New Mexico news regularly, but it was never mentioned by the big dawgs (national news.)

That's one incident, compared to how many involving black people? And if
Native Americans want it to stop, perhaps they should consider forming a "Native American Lives Matter."

Trying to invalidate BLM by pointing out that other minority groups also experience police brutality isn't going to work.

Jeff.

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On 25 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Would that also mean that "rightists usually are for what gets Republicans elected?"

No. Rightists don't have an agenda. There's no pile of cocaine at the
end of our rainbows. I won't have a mental breakdown if a leftist gets
the last word in.

Absolutely rightist have an agenda. Look at any Republican political platform. Listen to any of Trump's rallies, or any Republican stump speech for that matter.

According to Madison Cawthorn, rightists have cocaine *and* orgies at the end of their rainbows.

I'm glad to hear that you'll be mentally stable if you don't get the last
word in; it'll be happening a lot until you brush up on your
evidence-gathering skills.

Jeff.

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A few got out of hand. The same thing has been known to happen in respo
sporting event outcomes.

Hmmmm... you are not one of those soccer hooligans are you? :D

No, but I've seen them on TV. Football fans will do it, too, but not as often.

As will college basketball fans.

To get a loan (from a proper lender!) they have to believe that you can pay the home off. To get a mortgage on a $1.4 million home, I would have had to prove I have a *lot* of money and a way to continue earning that money over the period of the mortgage.

True, but you would not have needed $1.4 million. If you had $1.4 million to spend on a home, you could have saved yourself a lot of money in interest payments.

Also true, but I would need a lot more money, and the resources to continue making that "a lot more money" than most people have.


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The only misrepresentation here has been by you.

I did not change or modify any portion of the quoted text.
I have no need to twist words, they stand all on their own, and they always will. I am far from the use of liberal trickery and also am without taking things out of context.
So don't be upset with me if your liberal house of cards is falling down all round you. You should of known a divided house can not stand. I suspect it is only going to get worse for you as November approaches.
Wokeness Breeds Weakness, Little Jeff.

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On 25 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

The only misrepresentation here has been by you.

I did not change or modify any portion of the quoted text.

You changed "nuclear family requirement" to just "nuclear family," changing
the meaning of the sentence.

I have no need to twist words, they stand all on their own, and they always will. I am far from the use of liberal trickery and also am
without taking things out of context.

No? Then why did you do it?

So don't be upset with me if your liberal house of cards is falling down all round you. You should of known a divided house can not stand. I suspect it is only going to get worse for you as November approaches.

I doubt that. Especially when all you've got is fake "evidence" and misquotes.

Wokeness Breeds Weakness, Little Jeff.

Better than racism and cowardice, Little Gregory.

Jeff.

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That's one incident, compared to how many involving black people? And if Native Americans want it to stop, perhaps they should consider forming a "Native American Lives Matter."

Nobody cared because the guy wasn't black. He was native American. It's not fair that all these "black lives matter" enthusiasts didn't care. Al Sharpton wasn't there. Patrice Cullors wasn't there. Burnt and looted businesses weren't there. And most importantly, the national news media wasn't there.

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On 25 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

No? Then why did you do it?

If this was done allegedly, it was not done with any direct intention.
coping and pasting from some websites, also creates characters and symbols
it is those characters and symbols that are often removed by me so that the information is more readable and the clear understanding of the said article can be understood.

Your real problem is not what you have stated, but what the article has to
say. As it clearly exposes why it's subject matter should be clearly be beneath most of us who are civilized. It's clear that this irritates you, and it also clear that it frustrates you because you can not defend these animistic behaviors which are far from the norm. You have no answer or a clear explanation for the behavior of this hate and uncontrolled rage, that render cities where this chaos is unleashed to be a complete disgrace.
You have claimed that I am racist and a coward, when in truth I am neither of these things.

Wokeness Breeds Weakness, Little Jeff.

Also true. Which is why November will end with many Republican victories. Better buckle up.

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On 10-25-22 12:38, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: For the Snowflakes <=-

Whoever invented BLM needs to learn how to be considerate of others.
The world wasn't made for black people; it was made for everyone.

The world was made for everyone -- but too often the black people have
been treated as second class with the impression that they do not belong
in the American world. THAT is the reason for them declaring out loud
that Black Lives Matter.

Their chief complaint was "police brutality," they don't care that it happens to people of other colors, and they only care about themselves.

They have a common cause of discrimination and mis-treatment. That is
what they are speaking too. There is no implication that they do not
care about other oppressed minorities.

They're a racist organization, complaining about racism.

They are an organization focused on the racism against those of their
race.

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On 26 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

That's one incident, compared to how many involving black people? And Native Americans want it to stop, perhaps they should consider formin "Native American Lives Matter."

Nobody cared because the guy wasn't black. He was native American. It's not fair that all these "black lives matter" enthusiasts didn't care. Al Sharpton wasn't there. Patrice Cullors wasn't there. Burnt and looted businesses weren't there. And most importantly, the national news media wasn't there.

That is unfortunate, but neither the fault nor the responsibility of BLM. Perhaps you could found an organization to call attention to this incident.

Jeff.

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On 26 Oct 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

No? Then why did you do it?

If this was done allegedly, it was not done with any direct intention. coping and pasting from some websites, also creates characters and
symbols it is those characters and symbols that are often removed by me
so that the information is more readable and the clear understanding of the said article can be understood.

You said that BLM supports the "destruction" of the nuclear family, when what their web page actually says is that they don't agree with the "nuclear
family requirement." There is a big difference between those two.

Your real problem is not what you have stated, but what the article has
to say. As it clearly exposes why it's subject matter should be clearly
be beneath most of us who are civilized. It's clear that this irritates you, and it also clear that it frustrates you because you can not defend these animistic behaviors which are far from the norm. You have no
answer or a clear explanation for the behavior of this hate and uncontrolled rage, that render cities where this chaos is unleashed to
be a complete disgrace. You have claimed that I am racist and a coward, when in truth I am neither of these things.

The vast majority of the BLM protests were peaceful.

Wokeness Breeds Weakness, Little Jeff.

Also true. Which is why November will end with many Republican
victories. Better buckle up.

We will see.

Jeff.

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On 27 Oct 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

You said that BLM supports the "destruction" of the nuclear family, when what their web page actually says is that they don't agree with the "nuclear family requirement." There is a big difference between those
two.

Yeah they believed in this so much that they scrubbed the statement from
their website.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-deletes-page-disruption-nuclear-family
This is what the organization deleted the page that said exactly the
following
"disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable, one of those objectives reads."

What's their beef with nuclear family?

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On 05 Nov 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...

You said that BLM supports the "destruction" of the nuclear family, w what their web page actually says is that they don't agree with the "nuclear family requirement." There is a big difference between those two.

Yeah they believed in this so much that they scrubbed the statement from their website.

Not as of my post where I referenced it.

This is what the organization deleted the page that said exactly the following
"disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and "villages" that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the
degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable, one of those objectives reads."

Nevertheless, it never said what you're claiming it did: https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/28/ask-politifact-does-black-lives- matter-aim-destroy/

What's their beef with nuclear family?

They have none. They want people to be able to broadly support each other beyond the nuclear family.

BLM is also not:
* a terrorist organization (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/30/facebook-posts/black-lives-m atter-not-terrorist-organization/),

* a Marzist organization (https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-move ment/), or an

* an anti-Semitic organization (https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/aug/24/ask-politifact-black-lives-matt er-anti-semitic/).

Jeff.

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