HOWEVER, because the US
is looking at standardizing Daylight Savings time, these portions of Canada and South America would be GMT-4, but the eastern US would be GMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next *8* time zones, or the width of the United States through Alaska!
GMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next *8* time zones, or the width of the United States through Alaska!
Canada *and* Central/South America...but that's the same as an
additional four time zones.
GMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next *8* tim zones, or the width of the United States through Alaska!
Um, also...there's only four (and a half. Newfoundland is stubborn that way) time zones in Canada...Where does this '8' come from? Are you
adding them twice? That doesn't really make sense to me...Yes, I know, Canada *and* Central/South America...but that's the same as an
additional four time zones.
HOWEVER, because the US
is looking at standardizing Daylight Savings time, these portions of Canada and South America would be GMT-4, but the eastern US would be GMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next *8* tim zones, or the width of the United States through Alaska!
That's an issue for us up here, too. I remember this being debated recently at a provincial level here in Ontario, and the outcome was that Quebec, and at least the states connected to Ontario (my US geography sucks, so I won't pretend to know which ones), would also have to make
the same decision.
I would assume, if it were to be considered at the national level, it would be effectively the same; we'd only do it if you guys did as well.
Apparently the US Senate has voted (unanimously!) to end the twice-yearly time changes. Now it just needs to clear the House and President.
But whether you agree with the idea of no more time changes (I do!) or not, wait... there's more.
The Senate decided to make Daylight Savings Time permanent.
America, and the eastern US and eastern Canada. HOWEVER, because the US is looking at standardizing Daylight Savings time, these portions of Canada and South America would be GMT-4, but the eastern US would be GMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next *8* time zones, or the width of the United States through Alaska!
How could the US Senate be so right, but at the same time so very, very wrong?!?
The Senate decided to make Daylight Savings Time permanent.
Yeah, the are morons. It is pretty easy to tell that Paul and McConnell don't spend much time in Kentucky in the Winter and don't realize when
the Sun comes up (already late). In Paul's defense, Bowling Green is in CENTRAL Time, so it is different there. Being in the part of the state that is on the Western edge of EASTERN Time, just like McConnell's hometown is, I am not looking forward to the Sun not really being up
until after 9am.
How could the US Senate be so right, but at the same time so very, very wrong?!?
Oh I agree they are 100% wrong, but your math is a little faulty. Right now, EDT, which is the eastermost time zone in the US (states, anways),
is GMT-4. It used to be GMT-5 during Standard Time. As GMT technically does not shift, the only way that EDT would be GMT-3 would be if they moved Eastern Time ahead an *additional* hour.
What is really going to be dumb is if no countries that surround us
follow suit. The stupid reason for trying to force states that didn't observe DST 20 years ago was that it was "too confusing (to people who cannot do simple math)" for those states not to shift when surrounding states do. Now imagine trying to figure out the time difference between the US and Canada at different times of the year.
For that matter, something else the bill supposedly allows is for areas
of the US that have exemptions to DST... now they will always be an hour behind surrounding areas.
Something even dumber... the local news was reporting that this will
cause us to have more Sunlight. Not "more Sun in the afternoon," or "more Sun when you want it," but "more Sun." I already know people who think that doing away with DST would equal less total Sunlight, so I
don't doubt there could be people working for the TV news that don't understand the Science, either.
On 03-16-22 17:25, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Daylight Savings Time <=-
the part of the state that is on the Western edge of EASTERN Time, just like McConnell's hometown is, I am not looking forward to the Sun not really being up until after 9am.
Um, also...there's only four (and a half. Newfoundland is stubborn th way) time zones in Canada...Where does this '8' come from? Are you adding them twice? That doesn't really make sense to me...Yes, I know Canada *and* Central/South America...but that's the same as an additional four time zones.
Um, let me check my count (I know some didn't apply to the US)... I may have committed a goalpost error.
According to https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/,
GMT-5 marks the eastern edge of the US (EST), and GMT-11 marks the western edge of Alaska, so yeah, that's a goalpost error, sorry about that. It's only 7 time zones. There's a gap at GMT-9 where there are no
US states. I assume that the Senate bill, were it passed by the House
and President, would cover the 50 US states, but I could be wrong there. Pulling in Puerto Rico might stretch things to 8 time zones, but I have
no idea if US territories would be affected. Guam would just further complicate matters.
That's an issue for us up here, too. I remember this being debated recently at a provincial level here in Ontario, and the outcome was t Quebec, and at least the states connected to Ontario (my US geography sucks, so I won't pretend to know which ones), would also have to mak the same decision.
I would assume, if it were to be considered at the national level, it would be effectively the same; we'd only do it if you guys did as wel
Also, I forgot Hawaii. But no matter.
The thing is, if Canada abolished the time change, would they choose to align themselves with Standard time (in accordance with the procession
of time zones from GMT), or would they choose to align themselves with Daylight savings time (putting themselves at a +1 offset with with the procession of time zones from GMT)?
If the globe were divided into 24 longitudinal slices, one for each hour of the day, natural time zones would be formed. The exact lines could be skewed for regional preference, but the general pattern would remain constant. That is Standard Time. Daylight Savings Time introduces a temporary one-hour eastward shift from this natural arrangement.
I would think that any attempt to eliminate this dual-time-zone situation would default to the natural system, not make permanent the temporarily shifted system. And yet, making Daylight Savings Time permanent is
exactly what the US Senate has proposed.
How could the US Senate be so right, but at the same time so very, very
wrong?!?
Oh I agree they are 100% wrong, but your math is a little faulty. Right now, EDT, which is the eastermost time zone in the US (states, anways), is GMT-4. It used to be GMT-5 during Standard Time. As GMT technically does not shift, the only way that EDT would be GMT-3 would be if they moved Eastern Time ahead an *additional* hour.
It happens. Thanks for double-checking.
True, but it's entirely possible that if the bill had made Standard Time permanent rather than Daylight Savings Time, then it would have also included a proviso allowing for the opposite. One justification for making DST permanent that I've heard is that the US spends about 8 months of each year in DST and only about 4 months in Standard Time. So that makes a little sense, but it's still askew from the rest of the globe.
Something even dumber... the local news was reporting that this will cause us to have more Sunlight. Not "more Sun in the afternoon," or "more Sun when you want it," but "more Sun." I already know people who think that doing away with DST would equal less total Sunlight, so I don't doubt there could be people working for the TV news that don't understand the Science, either.
Yeah, there ar ethose people out there... There are probably some, too, who believe it's part of a plot by Soros and Gates to make Americans work more per day once they've enslaved us. Oh, crap, did I just start another conspiracy theory?
the part of the state that is on the Western edge of EASTERN Time, just like McConnell's hometown is, I am not looking forward to the Sun not really being up until after 9am.
Back when I was working on a semi-regular time shift, I really did not
like going from DST to EST. My coming out of work at 6 pm to total
darkness was a bit depressing.
It is askew from most of the globe with the 4/8 month split as we do it now. I have a friend who lives in Brazil. Sounds like they split closer to 5/7 or 6/6, which makes more sense.
The fact that they are using it already being askew to justify making it completely askew says something.
On 03-17-22 17:14, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Daylight Savings Tim <=-
Back when I was working on a semi-regular time shift, I really did not
like going from DST to EST. My coming out of work at 6 pm to total
darkness was a bit depressing.
In the Winter, there are times here where it will be dark at 6pm even
on Winter DST, especially if it is cloudy in the evening, which it
often is.
Apparently the US Senate has voted (unanimously!) to end the twice-yearly time changes. Now it just needs to clear the House and President.
But whether you agree with the idea of no more time changes (I do!) or not,
wait... there's more.
The Senate decided to make Daylight Savings Time permanent.
If you don't immediately see the implications of that, let me explain. Greenwich Mean Time, the time in Greenwich England, has an offset of 0; all
of the other time zones are some offset from that. West of GMT is the western
tip of Africa and the very east coast of Greenland, with an offset of GMT-1.
The next zone west is eastern Greenland, offset GMT-2. The next zone after that is central Greenland and easter South America, offset GMT-3.
But hold onto your hats for this next part:
The next zone west of GMT-3 would be western Greenland, central South America, and the eastern US and eastern Canada. HOWEVER, because the US is looking at standardizing Daylight Savings time, these portions of Canada and
South America would be GMT-4, but the eastern US would be GMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next *8* time zones, or the width
of the United States through Alaska!
How could the US Senate be so right, but at the same time so very, very wrong?!?
*8* timGMT-3! And the discrepancy would continue across the the next
zones, or the width of the United States through Alaska!
Um, also...there's only four (and a half. Newfoundland is stubbornthat
way) time zones in Canada...Where does this '8' come from? Are youknow,
adding them twice? That doesn't really make sense to me...Yes, I
Canada *and* Central/South America...but that's the same as an
additional four time zones.
Um, let me check my count (I know some didn't apply to the US)... I may have
committed a goalpost error.
According to https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/,
GMT-5 marks the eastern edge of the US (EST), and GMT-11 marks the western
edge of Alaska, so yeah, that's a goalpost error, sorry about that. It's only
7 time zones. There's a gap at GMT-9 where there are no US states. I assume
that the Senate bill, were it passed by the House and President, would cover
the 50 US states, but I could be wrong there. Pulling in Puerto Rico might stretch things to 8 time zones, but I have no idea if US territories would be
affected. Guam would just further complicate matters.
That's true about the 4/8 split. I'm not sure right off what effect proximity to the equator does to the length of days relative to season, but while the continental US stretches from about 25N in Florida to about 45N in (for example) North Dakota, Brazil only has a longitudinal range from about 5N to 32S.
Back when I was working on a semi-regular time shift, I really did not like going from DST to EST. My coming out of work at 6 pm to total darkness was a bit depressing.
In the Winter, there are times here where it will be dark at 6pm even
on Winter DST, especially if it is cloudy in the evening, which it
often is.
Granted -- what really got to me was the sudden change from daylight to
dark as I left the office to drive home.
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