• Re: Biden Caused It

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, March 09, 2022 16:30:00
    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb f***. His loverboy Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

    Funny how Vlad only acts up and takes Crimea, and now Ukraine, when Obama
    or Joe are President. In the case of Joe, I am sure it could not be
    because Vlad sees Joe as weak. I am sure that the rushed Afghanistan
    pull-out convinced Vlad that Joe is a worthy opponent. <rollseyes>


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Sunday, March 06, 2022 04:07:39
    Ukranian President Zelensky spoke with REPUBLICAN senators and told them a couple interesting facts:

    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war would have
    never happened."

    2) "Please stop buying their gas, because their gas sales are what's funding this war."

    Biden caused this war. Several kindergartens have been blown up, children and all. But that's not enough to make a power hungry Democrat (owned by billionaires) do the right thing. Democrats will NEVER do what's right, unless you could what's doing right for themselves.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 07, 2022 14:47:49
    Hello Aaron,

    Ukranian President Zelensky spoke with REPUBLICAN senators and told them a couple interesting facts:

    Ukrainian President Zelensky spoke with over 300 members of
    Congress, both Democrats and Republicans. Some were Senators,
    others Representatives.

    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war would have never happened."

    President Barack Obama imposed sanctions on Russia in 2014 after
    Putin's invasion and illegal annexation of the Ukrainian territory
    of Crimea. President Joe Biden imposed additional sanctions on
    Russia after Putin chose to invade the rest of Ukraine.

    2) "Please stop buying their gas, because their gas sales are what's funding
    this war."

    Your beloved orange traitor (Trump) wanted to lift sanctions against
    Russia, and calls Putin "savvy" and a "genius" for invading Ukraine.

    Biden caused this war.

    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy Donald
    Trump got impeached for withholding military aid to strong-arm
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky into submission, which goes
    to show how out of touch with reality you are.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 08, 2022 03:28:56
    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, March 09, 2022 00:18:09
    Hello Aaron,

    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

    It is not whatever I say, but what the world says.
    And the world says it is all Putin's fault.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 09, 2022 02:41:32
    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

    It is not whatever I say, but what the world says.
    And the world says it is all Putin's fault.

    All of it though? What about Biden's weak attitude towards everything? He says "expect less," and he really means that. Follow the pattern:

    Iraq attacks Kuwait, Iraq gets defeated by Republican Commander In Chief.
    Putin annexes Crimea, weak Democrat Commander In Chief issues weak sanctions. Asaad gasses children, Republican Commander In Chief orders a strike. Putin invades Russia, Democrat Commander In Chief rewards him with oil revenue.

    I know, the next part is "Biden stops oil purchases," but like Zelenskyy said, "Biden should have started the sanctions months ago!"

    But at least Biden doesn't have a shitty NY accent!

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, March 09, 2022 08:16:38
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

    Lee's off his meds again. His TDS is acting up.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, March 09, 2022 22:01:56
    Hello Aaron,

    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy
    Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

    It is not whatever I say, but what the world says.
    And the world says it is all Putin's fault.

    All of it though? What about Biden's weak attitude towards everything?

    President Joe Biden stood up to Mad Vlad.
    Donald Trump praised Mad Vlad as his kind of guy.

    He says "expect less," and he really means that. Follow the pattern:

    NATO is united. The European Union is united. Ukraine is united.
    The entire world is united against Mad Vlad. Except for Donald Trump,
    and Tucker Carlson, and some crazy gal on Fox News.

    Your weak and pathetic excuses do not amount to a hill of beans.
    Putin's invasion of Ukraine was unjustified and unprovoked. As was
    his invasion and illegal annexation of Crimea in 2014. Please do
    get with the program, and start chanting what the entire world
    is saying to Vladimir Putin - FOAD!

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 12, 2022 03:10:41
    Vladimir Putin caused this war, you dumb fuck. His loverboy Donald

    Ok, whatever you say!

    You MAGA idiots never seem to ever disappoint the rest of the world.

    Who won the election?





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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 14, 2022 10:33:55
    On 06 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Ukranian President Zelensky spoke with REPUBLICAN senators and told them
    a couple interesting facts:

    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war would have never happened."

    Think about what you're saying here. Think real, real hard.

    You're saying that Biden should have put crushing, unprecedented sanctions on Russia, to include seizure of wealth and property, months *before* Russia
    even did anything.

    Sure, it sounds good in hindsight, but that's not how sanctions work. Put sanctions on some country that hasn't done anything wrong and *you're* the aggressor. What you know now didn't exist back then.

    Just because Zelensky wishes that the sanctions had been imposed months
    before the invasion does not mean that such an action was a good idea at the time. As soon as the invasion happened, sanctions were imposed. Biden did his job.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, March 14, 2022 17:56:00
    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war would have
    never happened."

    Think about what you're saying here. Think real, real hard.

    You're saying that Biden should have put crushing, unprecedented sanctions on Russia, to include seizure of wealth and property, months *before* Russia even did anything.

    If he had left some of the softer sanctions in place, it would have been a start.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 14, 2022 18:17:59
    On 14 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war woul have
    never happened."

    Think about what you're saying here. Think real, real hard.

    You're saying that Biden should have put crushing, unprecedented sanctio Russia, to include seizure of wealth and property, months *before* Russi even did anything.

    If he had left some of the softer sanctions in place, it would have been
    a start.

    Which "softer" sanctions did Biden remove?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 01:06:45
    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war would never happened."

    Think about what you're saying here. Think real, real hard.

    You're saying that Biden should have put crushing, unprecedented
    sanctions on Russia, to include seizure of wealth and property, months *before* Russia even did anything.

    I think you're right, but so is Zelensky. A planned invasion was obviously about to happen. Biden should/could have provided Putin with a list of changes that would happen if/when he were to invade, instead of scrambling after the start of the civilian slaughter. With that heads-up, Putin would have had the insight to back off if the sanctions sounded menacing enough.

    But in Biden's defense, nobody expected him to be on top of things in the
    first place. His main focus is to destroy the USA, not to destroy Russia.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 10:00:27
    On 15 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    1) "Had you started these sanctions a few months ago, this war w never happened."

    Think about what you're saying here. Think real, real hard.

    You're saying that Biden should have put crushing, unprecedented sanctions on Russia, to include seizure of wealth and property, month *before* Russia even did anything.

    I think you're right, but so is Zelensky. A planned invasion was
    obviously about to happen. Biden should/could have provided Putin with a list of changes that would happen if/when he were to invade, instead of scrambling after the start of the civilian slaughter. With that
    heads-up, Putin would have had the insight to back off if the sanctions sounded menacing enough.

    However, let's say that Biden did start sanctions on the rumor of an
    invasion, and those sanctions were enough to stop Putin from invading Ukraine.

    Knowing what we knew then, what you would've seen was Biden convincing the
    rest of the world to put heavy sanctions on Russia, driving up the cost of everything and especially gasoline, and for what? To prevent an invasion that never happened? You'd be having a heyday skewering Biden for following your
    own advice.

    But in Biden's defense, nobody expected him to be on top of things in the first place. His main focus is to destroy the USA, not to destroy Russia.

    Whatever.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 16:21:00
    But in Biden's defense, nobody expected him to be on top of things in the first place.

    He is on top of this like he was on top of the Afghanistan pull-out.

    Advisors/Diplomats-on-the-ground: We need to start getting people out, the country is going to fall very soon.

    Biden: We have plenty of time. No one will be plucked off rooftops, no
    one will be left behind... no one...snort... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 17:41:33
    Knowing what we knew then, what you would've seen was Biden convincing
    the rest of the world to put heavy sanctions on Russia, driving up the cost of everything and especially gasoline, and for what? To prevent an invasion that never happened? You'd be having a heyday skewering Biden
    for following your own advice.

    Biden didn't care about inflation ahead of the invasion, so why should he care now?

    I see your point about "better to sanction after rather than before," but who cares about skewering? Saving lives is better than saving an election.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, March 18, 2022 08:40:37
    On 15 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Knowing what we knew then, what you would've seen was Biden convincin the rest of the world to put heavy sanctions on Russia, driving up th cost of everything and especially gasoline, and for what? To prevent invasion that never happened? You'd be having a heyday skewering Bide for following your own advice.

    Biden didn't care about inflation ahead of the invasion, so why should
    he care now?

    Who's to say that he didn't care? Inflation isn't something that one can slam the brakes on.

    I see your point about "better to sanction after rather than before,"
    but who cares about skewering? Saving lives is better than saving an election.

    We know now that lives would have been saved. We did not know that then. Had Putin been dissuaded from invading, there would be those saying, "Look, he
    said he wasn't going to invade and he didn't! Why would Biden trash economies based on Putin lying, when he clearly wasn't?"

    Our vision of the past is always much clearer than our vision of the future.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, March 18, 2022 21:38:36
    Biden didn't care about inflation ahead of the invasion, so why shoul he care now?

    Who's to say that he didn't care? Inflation isn't something that one can slam the brakes on.

    Inflation didn't have to be so bad and he didn't need to waste so much money.
    I still don't have my pipes replaced.

    but who cares about skewering? Saving lives is better than saving an election.

    We know now that lives would have been saved. We did not know that then.

    Everyone else except Biden knew, because that wasn't a convenient truth for him.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 19, 2022 04:11:40
    Hello Aaron,

    Knowing what we knew then, what you would've seen was Biden convincing
    the rest of the world to put heavy sanctions on Russia, driving up the
    cost of everything and especially gasoline, and for what? To prevent an
    invasion that never happened? You'd be having a heyday skewering Biden
    for following your own advice.

    Biden didn't care about inflation ahead of the invasion, so why should he care now?

    Why should anybody care? Nobody saves money, as money is for spending.
    The more people have to spend, the happier they are. That is how the
    economy works.

    I see your point about "better to sanction after rather than before," but who cares about skewering? Saving lives is better than saving an election.

    One more time.
    If you want to make money you have to spend money.
    Preferably somebody else's money.
    That is the way of the world.
    It really is that simple.
    Doesn't matter who you are, or where you are from.

    The economy is for the person, not the other way around.

    --Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, March 19, 2022 06:04:02
    On 18 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Who's to say that he didn't care? Inflation isn't something that one slam the brakes on.

    Inflation didn't have to be so bad and he didn't need to waste so much money. I still don't have my pipes replaced.

    I see. So "wasting money" causes inflation?

    but who cares about skewering? Saving lives is better than savin election.

    We know now that lives would have been saved. We did not know that th

    Everyone else except Biden knew, because that wasn't a convenient truth for him.

    No, "everyone else" didn't know.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, March 19, 2022 12:34:00
    but who cares about skewering? Saving lives is better than saving an
    election.

    We know now that lives would have been saved. We did not know that then.

    Everyone else except Biden knew, because that wasn't a convenient truth for him.

    Sounds like the Afghanistan withdrawl, but I don't think that is what you
    all are talking about here. Everyone knowing except Biden seems to be a
    theme.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, March 19, 2022 12:37:00
    Inflation didn't have to be so bad and he didn't need to waste so much money. I still don't have my pipes replaced.

    I see. So "wasting money" causes inflation?

    Depends on what they are spending it on.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, March 19, 2022 13:58:42
    On 19 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    Inflation didn't have to be so bad and he didn't need to waste so m money. I still don't have my pipes replaced.

    I see. So "wasting money" causes inflation?

    Depends on what they are spending it on.

    Does it, though? It seems like what they're spending it on might contribute
    to a subjective classification as "wasteful," but spending is spending. What one person considers beneficial spending might be considered wasteful by another.

    So are we now saying that Democrat spending causes inflation, while
    Republican spending* does not?

    * To include enormous tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:08:00
    Does it, though? It seems like what they're spending it on might contribute to a subjective classification as "wasteful," but spending is spending. What one person considers beneficial spending might be considered wasteful by another.

    So are we now saying that Democrat spending causes inflation, while Republican spending* does not?

    The topic was wasting money, not who wastes it.

    Now, if I were wanting to do something good for my country's economy personally, I would spend my money on something that my country produces.
    For example, I would not spend A WHOLE LOT of money on gender studies in another country. To me, that would be wasteful and would not benefit my country's economy at all.

    That is hypothetical, of course, as I do not have enough money to invest in either gender studies in a foreign country, or enough to invest in my own country's economy, to make as much of a difference as, say, congress would.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, March 19, 2022 18:44:17
    Inflation didn't have to be so bad and he didn't need to waste so muc money. I still don't have my pipes replaced.

    I see. So "wasting money" causes inflation?

    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless to waste money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices are rapidly rising.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 21, 2022 12:23:01
    On 19 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Inflation didn't have to be so bad and he didn't need to waste s money. I still don't have my pipes replaced.

    I see. So "wasting money" causes inflation?

    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless to waste money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices are
    rapidly rising.

    I see. And what differentiates "wasting money" from "spending money?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, March 21, 2022 17:27:00
    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless to waste money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices are rapidly rising.

    I see. And what differentiates "wasting money" from "spending money?"

    What differentiates it is what return on our investment can we, the
    American people, expect to receive?

    Here are two examples:

    Spending millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative country,
    that is not even our country, western-based gender studies is a huge waste of money. We will never see *any* return on that investment, *ever*.

    Spending those same millions to invest in Americans, their jobs and standard
    of living, or on better American infrastructure, without tacking on any amendments for millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative
    country, that is not America, western-based gender studies, is "spending money," and, if they do it right, maybe even "spending money well."

    Since congressmorons cannot ever pass a good idea without ruining it by
    tacking a bunch of crap amendments onto it, it is not very often that they "spend money well." It has sadly come to the point where it is safe to
    assume they are "wasting money" whenever they are in session.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 21, 2022 17:22:47
    On 21 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless to w money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices are rapidly rising.

    I see. And what differentiates "wasting money" from "spending money?"

    What differentiates it is what return on our investment can we, the American people, expect to receive?

    Here are two examples:

    Spending millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative country, that is not even our country, western-based gender studies is a huge
    waste of money. We will never see *any* return on that investment, *ever*.

    That would depend on the type of return you're expecting. Getting ideas to
    the youth can do wonders for changing a society down the road.

    Spending those same millions to invest in Americans, their jobs and standard of living, or on better American infrastructure, without
    tacking on any amendments for millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative country, that is not America, western-based gender studies, is "spending money," and, if they do it right, maybe
    even "spending money well."

    That depends, too, on whether one thinks that investing in Americans'
    standard of living is "socialist."

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 00:52:23
    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless to was money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices are rapidly rising.

    I see. And what differentiates "wasting money" from "spending money?"

    There are poor people (not just black either) dying from covid rampantly.
    Money can fix that, by providing people with a means to quarantine, but instead, let's spend a huge chunk of it on lead pipes that have been functioning since the 1940s.

    Businesses need to be retrofitted for this virus and for future Fauci virus variants; that costs money, but, let's just give the money to single moms who need some alone time; they make better voters than businesses do.

    We still don't have an effective vaccine. Money could/should be spent on vaccine research, but instead, let's keep injecting 3G doomsday receivers, and ignore a herd of elephants in the room, while money that should have been
    spent on America gets wasted.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 21, 2022 21:15:50
    On 22 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless t money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices a rapidly rising.

    I see. And what differentiates "wasting money" from "spending money?"

    There are poor people (not just black either) dying from covid rampantly. Money can fix that, by providing people with a means to quarantine, but instead, let's spend a huge chunk of it on lead pipes that have been functioning since the 1940s.

    Lead poisoning is no laughing matter.

    Businesses need to be retrofitted for this virus and for future Fauci virus variants; that costs money, but, let's just give the money to
    single moms who need some alone time; they make better voters than businesses do.

    Supporting single moms is investing in the future of America. Businesses need to be self-sufficient or fail. You know, free market and all.

    We still don't have an effective vaccine. Money could/should be spent on vaccine research, but instead, let's keep injecting 3G doomsday
    receivers, and ignore a herd of elephants in the room, while money that should have been spent on America gets wasted.

    We do have an effective vaccine. We do not have a 100% effective vaccine.
    Less than 100% effectiveness does not mean 0% effectiveness.

    Jeff.

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  • From Al Thompson@1:229/426.27 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 02:39:21
    on *21.03.22* at *21:27:00* You wrote in area *POLITICS*
    to *JEFF THIELE* about *"Re: Biden Caused It"*.

    Since congressmorons cannot ever pass a good idea without ruining it by tacking a bunch of crap amendments onto it, it is not very often that
    they
    "spend money well." It has sadly come to the point where it is safe to assume they are "wasting money" whenever they are in session.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 17:11:00
    On 21 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    It's a contributing factor, but my point is that it's careless to money and it's especially careless to waste money while prices are
    rapidly rising.

    I see. And what differentiates "wasting money" from "spending money?"

    What differentiates it is what return on our investment can we, the American people, expect to receive?

    Here are two examples:

    Spending millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative country, that is not even our country, western-based gender studies is a huge waste of money. We will never see *any* return on that investment, *ever*.

    That would depend on the type of return you're expecting. Getting ideas to the youth can do wonders for changing a society down the road.

    But not for our country. With our tax dollars, I am expecting a return on
    our investment for our country. I suspect Aaron is, too. The most-likely return on investment you are going to see out of the example above in a religiously-conservative, non-western country is getting some youths shunned or, worse, killed for going against what is acceptable in their society. You might see that as an acceptable risk for your investment, but that is a bad return on my investment (and a wrong thing to encourage).

    Spending those same millions to invest in Americans, their jobs and standard of living, or on better American infrastructure, without tacking on any amendments for millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative country, that is not America, western-based gender studies, is "spending money," and, if they do it right, maybe even "spending money well."

    That depends, too, on whether one thinks that investing in Americans' standard of living is "socialist."

    If the policies lead to new jobs, in the United States, that increase the standard of living for our citizens, then that is a good return on
    investment and hardly socialist. Now, investing the money to pay or
    encourage people who don't pay taxes to not work... yes, that would be somewhere on the socialist spectrum, just like it would be on the
    "bad investment" or "money wasting" spectrum, so that would not be the type
    of spending I would be talking about or encouraging.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AL THOMPSON on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 16:49:00
    Since congressmorons cannot ever pass a good idea without ruining it by tacking a bunch of crap amendments onto it, it is not very often that they
    "spend money well." It has sadly come to the point where it is safe to assume they are "wasting money" whenever they are in session.

    Wasn't it Twain who said that nobody was safe when Congress was in session?

    That sounds like him. I know it is usually true of state legislative
    sessions.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 16:49:44
    On 22 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Spending millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative cou that is not even our country, western-based gender studies is a hug waste of money. We will never see *any* return on that investment, *ever*.

    That would depend on the type of return you're expecting. Getting ideas the youth can do wonders for changing a society down the road.

    But not for our country. With our tax dollars, I am expecting a return
    on our investment for our country. I suspect Aaron is, too. The most-likely return on investment you are going to see out of the example above in a religiously-conservative, non-western country is getting some youths shunned or, worse, killed for going against what is acceptable in their society. You might see that as an acceptable risk for your investment, but that is a bad return on my investment (and a wrong thing to encourage).

    Making like-minded allies is an excellent investment.

    Spending those same millions to invest in Americans, their jobs and standard of living, or on better American infrastructure, without tacking on any amendments for millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative country, that is not America, western-base gender studies, is "spending money," and, if they do it right, mayb even "spending money well."

    That depends, too, on whether one thinks that investing in Americans' standard of living is "socialist."

    If the policies lead to new jobs, in the United States, that increase the standard of living for our citizens, then that is a good return on investment and hardly socialist. Now, investing the money to pay or encourage people who don't pay taxes to not work... yes, that would be somewhere on the socialist spectrum, just like it would be on the
    "bad investment" or "money wasting" spectrum, so that would not be the type of spending I would be talking about or encouraging.

    Investing the money in policies that lead to new jobs *is* socialism (by the standard conservative definition); it's just that it's not the little guy getting free stuff.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 22, 2022 14:00:59
    Lead poisoning is no laughing matter.

    When you say it like that, it sounds hiliarious, because lead poisoning
    happens when kids inhale lead dust particles; not from drinking water from lead pipes. New York State is planning to spend $7 million dollars (of NYS funds) over the next 2 years on water infrastructure. So I'm extra curious about
    where Joe's money funnel is draining out to.

    Supporting single moms is investing in the future of America. Businesses need to be self-sufficient or fail. You know, free market and all.

    We're training people (like they're monkeys) to EARN less so that way they can be eligible to GET more. That's an investment in votes, and an investment in laziness. Lazy people will vote for stuff that allows them to keep being lazy.

    We do have an effective vaccine. We do not have a 100% effective vaccine. Less than 100% effectiveness does not mean 0% effectiveness.

    The vaccine is a great tool for the immune system, but we need something that actually vaccinates people against the virus. HIV has been around for at least 70 years, and vaccines for it are still experimental, unreliable, and ineffective.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, March 23, 2022 09:24:27
    On 22 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Lead poisoning is no laughing matter.

    When you say it like that, it sounds hiliarious, because lead poisoning happens when kids inhale lead dust particles; not from drinking water
    from lead pipes. New York State is planning to spend $7 million dollars (of NYS funds) over the next 2 years on water infrastructure. So I'm
    extra curious about where Joe's money funnel is draining out to.

    Here in Texas, we also use local funds to maintain our water systems.

    Supporting single moms is investing in the future of America. Busines need to be self-sufficient or fail. You know, free market and all.

    We're training people (like they're monkeys) to EARN less so that way
    they can be eligible to GET more. That's an investment in votes, and an investment in laziness. Lazy people will vote for stuff that allows them to keep being lazy.

    What people get when they have nothing is a pittance. It's far more lucrative to work than to "be lazy." However, some people face challenges in that
    regard and need assistance. The majority of people receiving public
    assistance actually do have jobs. But when those jobs don't pay a living
    wage, public assistance has to step in. Maybe if some of those businesses
    paid better, your taxes wouldn't be going to make up the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as much for the children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just pro-birth?

    We do have an effective vaccine. We do not have a 100% effective vacc Less than 100% effectiveness does not mean 0% effectiveness.

    The vaccine is a great tool for the immune system, but we need something that actually vaccinates people against the virus. HIV has been around
    for at least 70 years, and vaccines for it are still experimental, unreliable, and ineffective.

    It would be totally awesome if we had one vaccine that could make us immune
    to all disease. That's not reality, though. Different diseases present different challenges, and no vaccine is 100% effective. We have what we have, and what we have is definitely better than nothing. You keep trying to imply that if a vaccine isn't 100% effective then it's worthless, and that's just
    not how it works. That's not how it works at all.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, March 23, 2022 16:13:00
    Spending millions to teach people in a religiously-conservative co
    that is not even our country, western-based gender studies is a hu
    waste of money. We will never see *any* return on that investment
    *ever*.

    That would depend on the type of return you're expecting. Getting ideas
    the youth can do wonders for changing a society down the road.

    But not for our country. With our tax dollars, I am expecting a return on our investment for our country. I suspect Aaron is, too. The most-likely return on investment you are going to see out of the example above in a religiously-conservative, non-western country is getting some youths shunned or, worse, killed for going against what is acceptable in their society. You might see that as an acceptable risk for your investment, but that is a bad return on my investment (and a wrong thing to encourage).

    Making like-minded allies is an excellent investment.

    Programs and policies like those will only do so in fantasy land. Such real-world investments in predominantly muslim, religiously-conservative countries are very high risk, low reward, and are not likely to make them
    our allies. It is much more likely to provide additional examples of "low western moral values" for them to rally against us around.

    If the policies lead to new jobs, in the United States, that increase the
    standard of living for our citizens, then that is a good return on investment and hardly socialist. Now, investing the money to pay or encourage people who don't pay taxes to not work... yes, that would be somewhere on the socialist spectrum, just like it would be on the
    "bad investment" or "money wasting" spectrum, so that would not be the type of spending I would be talking about or encouraging.

    Investing the money in policies that lead to new jobs *is* socialism (by the standard conservative definition); it's just that it's not the little guy getting free stuff.

    Maybe by Jeff's standard conservative definition, where wasting tax money
    is the only good thing to do with it.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, March 24, 2022 22:14:48
    On 23 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Making like-minded allies is an excellent investment.

    Programs and policies like those will only do so in fantasy land. Such real-world investments in predominantly muslim, religiously-conservative countries are very high risk, low reward, and are not likely to make them our allies. It is much more likely to provide additional examples of
    "low western moral values" for them to rally against us around.

    Not necessarily. Impressing our values on youth can reap dividends in the future.

    Investing the money in policies that lead to new jobs *is* socialism (by standard conservative definition); it's just that it's not the little gu getting free stuff.

    Maybe by Jeff's standard conservative definition, where wasting tax money is the only good thing to do with it.

    Nope, sorry. Government investment in *anything* is "socialism," by the conservative definition.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, March 25, 2022 16:02:00
    Programs and policies like those will only do so in fantasy land. Such real-world investments in predominantly muslim, religiously-conservative countries are very high risk, low reward, and are not likely to make them
    our allies. It is much more likely to provide additional examples of "low western moral values" for them to rally against us around.

    Not necessarily. Impressing our values on youth can reap dividends in the future.

    An interesting point here. On the one hand, it is ok to impress our values
    on some, like youths in a religiously-conservative land, but yet people who believe that is ok are very usually not at all ok with trying to impress western values on, say, a quasi-communist dictatorship in a country with a "rich and ancient culture."

    Nope, sorry. Government investment in *anything* is "socialism," by the conservative definition.

    By conservative definition according to you and, I am sure, according to
    some very far-right individuals. Most of the people I meet who think that,
    and some do, are not far-right or conservative. They call themselves "libertarian" but, in reality, come across more as quasi-anarchists in the sense that they also believe there should be no police and no laws at all.

    They generally live in more of a fantasy land than the people who believe
    in the first thing you quoted from me above.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, March 25, 2022 14:07:05
    (of NYS funds) over the next 2 years on water infrastructure. So I'm extra curious about where Joe's money funnel is draining out to.

    Here in Texas, we also use local funds to maintain our water systems.

    But this isn't maintenance; they're replacing supply pipes throughout the entire cities, but not with federal funds, so that makes me wonder where did the money (Infrastructure bill) really go (without the BS?) The bill was supposed to "provide clean drinking water" but now I see cities doing the work with their own funds. Why could that be? Maybe because Joe has those funds "at work" somewhere else!

    challenges in that regard and need assistance. The majority of people receiving public assistance actually do have jobs. But when those jobs

    There's no majority; that's just generalization. A federal government
    sponsored babysitting program isn't something that people need; they need responsibility. If you have kids, you can't work evenings, and it's you're own fault; so get a daytime job or an overnight job, instead of having the taxpayers pay for your babysitter bill because you want to work during the hours that your kids are home from school.

    the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as much for the children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just pro-birth?

    "Nice try" but you ain't Chuck Berry!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, March 27, 2022 10:39:00
    the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as much for the children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just pro-birth?

    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who are very
    rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going towards upkeep
    for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it both ways.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 28, 2022 18:43:49
    On 25 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Not necessarily. Impressing our values on youth can reap dividends in th future.

    An interesting point here. On the one hand, it is ok to impress our values on some, like youths in a religiously-conservative land, but yet people who believe that is ok are very usually not at all ok with trying to impress western values on, say, a quasi-communist dictatorship in a country with a "rich and ancient culture."

    It would depend on how much the population themselves, as opposed to their political leaders, desire such impression to take place.

    Nope, sorry. Government investment in *anything* is "socialism," by the conservative definition.

    By conservative definition according to you and, I am sure, according to some very far-right individuals. Most of the people I meet who think that, and some do, are not far-right or conservative. They call themselves "libertarian" but, in reality, come across more as quasi-anarchists in the sense that they also believe there should be no police and no laws at all.

    Modern conservatives, in my experience, tend to label any government spending that does not directly benefit them -- and which they therefore oppose -- as "socialism." It has much, much less to do with the actual definition of "socialism" than their displike of whatever program it is.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, March 28, 2022 18:54:29
    On 25 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    (of NYS funds) over the next 2 years on water infrastructure. So extra curious about where Joe's money funnel is draining out to.

    Here in Texas, we also use local funds to maintain our water systems.

    But this isn't maintenance; they're replacing supply pipes throughout the entire cities, but not with federal funds, so that makes me wonder where did the money (Infrastructure bill) really go (without the BS?) The bill was supposed to "provide clean drinking water" but now I see cities
    doing the work with their own funds. Why could that be? Maybe because
    Joe has those funds "at work" somewhere else!

    That would be an interesting thing to look into, but you can't just assume
    that it's wasteful. As it turns out, the majority of the funds for clean
    water infrastructure go through the EPA's Clean Water and Drinking Water
    State Revolving Funds, or SRFs. Which is to say that the federal government won't be doing the work, or directly managing the work, but will be providing states with funds to accomplish the work. So the federal funds get converted
    to state funds, which are then used to pay for the work. It's possible that
    the state funds are further distributed downstream to county and/or city
    funds.

    challenges in that regard and need assistance. The majority of people receiving public assistance actually do have jobs. But when those job

    There's no majority; that's just generalization. A federal government sponsored babysitting program isn't something that people need; they need responsibility. If you have kids, you can't work evenings, and it's
    you're own fault; so get a daytime job or an overnight job, instead of having the taxpayers pay for your babysitter bill because you want to
    work during the hours that your kids are home from school.

    There is actually a majority. Federally- or state-funded babysitting allows people to work who would not otherwise be able to, and as such it's something they need. Are you suggesting that single moms leave their children
    unattended overnight while they work? You are assuming that the children needing childcare are school-age and that the current situation these parents find themselves in was forseeable.

    the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as much for th children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just pro-bir

    "Nice try" but you ain't Chuck Berry!

    Nice deflection, although I have no idea how Chuck Berry got pulled into this.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 07:26:46
    On 27 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as much for the children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just pro-birt

    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who are very rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going towards upkeep for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it both ways.

    I know, right?

    I can only speculate that they think that these children are a necessary
    burden on their parents as punishment for the perceived moral failing that brought the children into this world in the first place. As if the children themselves are nothing but expendible pawns in some game of morality chess.

    Jeff.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 11:16:28
    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who are ver rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going towards upkeep for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it both way

    I know, right?

    I can only speculate that they think that these children are a necessary burden on their parents as punishment for the perceived moral failing
    that brought the children into this world in the first place. As if the children themselves are nothing but expendible pawns in some game of morality chess.

    For some reason, the phrase "baby factory" comes to mind. A "baby factory" is a woman who has a child for the specific purpose of increasing their allotment of social assistance and/or Family Allowance.

    As I've mentioned, I am very much pro-choice. But, having a child just to get a few extra dollars on their monthly 'welfare cheque' is a pretty poor choice. There are certainly better reasons to create another human life.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Shaun Buzza on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 12:17:43
    On 29 Mar 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...
    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who ar rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going tow upkeep for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it bot

    I know, right?

    I can only speculate that they think that these children are a necess burden on their parents as punishment for the perceived moral failing that brought the children into this world in the first place. As if t children themselves are nothing but expendible pawns in some game of morality chess.

    For some reason, the phrase "baby factory" comes to mind. A "baby
    factory" is a woman who has a child for the specific purpose of
    increasing their allotment of social assistance and/or Family Allowance.

    As I've mentioned, I am very much pro-choice. But, having a child just
    to get a few extra dollars on their monthly 'welfare cheque' is a pretty poor choice. There are certainly better reasons to create another human life.

    So would you bother to prove that any of these parents receiving assistance
    are "baby factories," or would you cut aid for everyone because some of them *might* be. And then, what would you have become of the children?

    Jeff.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 14:07:46
    For some reason, the phrase "baby factory" comes to mind. A "baby factory" is a woman who has a child for the specific purpose of increasing their allotment of social assistance and/or Family Allowan

    As I've mentioned, I am very much pro-choice. But, having a child jus to get a few extra dollars on their monthly 'welfare cheque' is a pre poor choice. There are certainly better reasons to create another hum life.

    So would you bother to prove that any of these parents receiving assistance are "baby factories," or would you cut aid for everyone
    because some of them *might* be. And then, what would you have become of the children?

    You're getting the wrong idea, Jeff. Don't be so confrontational. I'm not saying *anyone* should be denied social assistance. I *am*, however, saying that some people probably shouldn't breed. After all, we want to remove stupid from the gene pool, not add more to it...

    Which reminds me, I sure hope you're not a father! (o_-)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Shaun Buzza on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 14:39:10
    On 29 Mar 2022, Shaun Buzza said the following...
    So would you bother to prove that any of these parents receiving assistance are "baby factories," or would you cut aid for everyone because some of them *might* be. And then, what would you have become the children?

    You're getting the wrong idea, Jeff. Don't be so confrontational. I'm not saying *anyone* should be denied social assistance. I *am*, however, saying that some people probably shouldn't breed. After all, we want to remove stupid from the gene pool, not add more to it...

    Eventually we're going to have to confront the issue of overpopulation, and it's not going to be pretty.

    Which reminds me, I sure hope you're not a father! (o_-)

    I am. My wife and I only had one child, for a net population decrease on our part, and were not a "baby factory." I'm not going to say anything more due
    to my second-favorite H.L. Mencken quote:

    "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
    the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."

    Jeff.

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  • From Shaun Buzza@1:229/110 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 16:39:38
    You're getting the wrong idea, Jeff. Don't be so confrontational. I'm saying *anyone* should be denied social assistance. I *am*, however, saying that some people probably shouldn't breed. After all, we want remove stupid from the gene pool, not add more to it...

    Eventually we're going to have to confront the issue of overpopulation, and it's not going to be pretty.

    Exactly why some people shouldn't breed!

    Which reminds me, I sure hope you're not a father! (o_-)

    I am. My wife and I only had one child, for a net population decrease on our part, and were not a "baby factory." I'm not going to say anything more due to my second-favorite H.L. Mencken quote:

    "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and
    to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."

    Heh, I'm glad you missed that subtle jab. (^_^)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 16:42:00
    the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as much for th
    children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just pro-bir

    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who are very rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going towards upkeep for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it both ways.

    I know, right?

    I can only speculate that they think that these children are a necessary burden on their parents as punishment for the perceived moral failing that brought the children into this world in the first place. As if the children themselves are nothing but expendible pawns in some game of morality chess.

    If you want them to be forced to have the kids, because that is what is
    right, then you should also know that being charitable is right and you
    should be willing to help care for them.

    I agree that some of them see it as punishment and think it is good.
    Oddly, I feel like they have probably experienced similar moral failings
    but have been lucky in the results.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 16:48:00
    "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."

    That is a pretty good one! :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 16:33:31
    On 29 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who are v rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going toward upkeep for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it both w

    I know, right?

    I can only speculate that they think that these children are a necessary burden on their parents as punishment for the perceived moral failing th brought the children into this world in the first place. As if the child themselves are nothing but expendible pawns in some game of morality che

    If you want them to be forced to have the kids, because that is what is right, then you should also know that being charitable is right and you should be willing to help care for them.

    Agreed, 100%.

    I agree that some of them see it as punishment and think it is good. Oddly, I feel like they have probably experienced similar moral failings but have been lucky in the results.

    Interesting. I had not considered that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 15:26:00
    I agree that some of them see it as punishment and think it is good. Oddly, I feel like they have probably experienced similar moral failings but have been lucky in the results.

    Interesting. I had not considered that.

    No one is perfect, right? :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 16:27:47
    On 30 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I agree that some of them see it as punishment and think it is good Oddly, I feel like they have probably experienced similar moral fai but have been lucky in the results.

    Interesting. I had not considered that.

    No one is perfect, right? :)

    Nope, none of us. I hadn't considered it in terms of the pro-lifers, but it
    is true that an amazing number of rabidly anti-gay religious leaders and politicians turn out to be gay themselves.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 23:38:48
    work, but will be providing states with funds to accomplish the work. So the federal funds get converted to state funds, which are then used to
    pay for the work. It's possible that the state funds are further distributed downstream to county and/or city funds.

    That makes sense, but looking back, it seems like a ripoff to all the people who (like me) live in a city with lead suppy lines, who were expecting Joe's bill to give us new pipes, only to find out that our city won't be part of the project at all. If I want to find out where the money went and why it didn't
    go to a city that needs it, I have to ask a reptilian governor where the money went. That's a lousy deal for me.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 20:10:58
    On 29 Mar 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    work, but will be providing states with funds to accomplish the work. the federal funds get converted to state funds, which are then used t pay for the work. It's possible that the state funds are further distributed downstream to county and/or city funds.

    That makes sense, but looking back, it seems like a ripoff to all the people who (like me) live in a city with lead suppy lines, who were expecting Joe's bill to give us new pipes, only to find out that our
    city won't be part of the project at all. If I want to find out where
    the money went and why it didn't go to a city that needs it, I have to
    ask a reptilian governor where the money went. That's a lousy deal for
    me.

    It could be that the city funds being used to replace the lines had their origins with the federal government. That's not such a lousy deal for you;
    it's a shame you're so afraid of your governor, though.

    Here, our governor is using the power of the state to put some of the most vulnerable families at risk, just to score political points with
    conservatives.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, March 31, 2022 16:03:00
    I agree that some of them see it as punishment and think it is goo
    Oddly, I feel like they have probably experienced similar moral fa
    but have been lucky in the results.

    Interesting. I had not considered that.

    No one is perfect, right? :)

    Nope, none of us. I hadn't considered it in terms of the pro-lifers, but it is true that an amazing number of rabidly anti-gay religious leaders and politicians turn out to be gay themselves.

    I would suspect there could be some things going on with rabid pro-lifers,
    not the ones that simply believe that abortion is wrong but the ones that actually show up at clinics to curse at women, that follow similar lines.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, March 31, 2022 18:22:13
    On 31 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nope, none of us. I hadn't considered it in terms of the pro-lifers, but is true that an amazing number of rabidly anti-gay religious leaders and politicians turn out to be gay themselves.

    I would suspect there could be some things going on with rabid
    pro-lifers, not the ones that simply believe that abortion is wrong but the ones that actually show up at clinics to curse at women, that follow similar lines.

    It's interesting that you would say that because in the news today was a
    story about one Lauren Handy, one of five anti-abortion activists charged
    with clinic access obstruction and engaging in a conspiracy against individuals' civil rights. Police raided the home where Ms. Handy lives after receiving a tip that the house contained biohazardous material. During the raid, police found five fetuses in the home. ccording to Hndy, she expected
    the raid to occur "sooner or later" and feared that "people will freak out
    when they hear."

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, April 01, 2022 01:35:38
    city won't be part of the project at all. If I want to find out where the money went and why it didn't go to a city that needs it, I have t ask a reptilian governor where the money went. That's a lousy deal fo me.

    It could be that the city funds being used to replace the lines had their origins with the federal government. That's not such a lousy deal for
    you; it's a shame you're so afraid of your governor, though.

    It's still lousy for me. I don't live in Elmira, I live in Binghamton. New pipes were just a pipe dream for us.

    Here, our governor is using the power of the state to put some of the
    most vulnerable families at risk, just to score political points with conservatives.

    What are you referring to? Gov Abbott's already got all the political points with conservatives that he needs. The only Republicans in need of political points are the fake RINO ones.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 01, 2022 20:47:57
    On 01 Apr 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    city won't be part of the project at all. If I want to find out the money went and why it didn't go to a city that needs it, I h ask a reptilian governor where the money went. That's a lousy de me.

    It could be that the city funds being used to replace the lines had t origins with the federal government. That's not such a lousy deal for you; it's a shame you're so afraid of your governor, though.

    It's still lousy for me. I don't live in Elmira, I live in Binghamton.
    New pipes were just a pipe dream for us.

    Sounds like a state/local issue to me. You get what you vote for.

    Here, our governor is using the power of the state to put some of the most vulnerable families at risk, just to score political points with conservatives.

    What are you referring to? Gov Abbott's already got all the political points with conservatives that he needs. The only Republicans in need of political points are the fake RINO ones.

    There are a number of candidates challenging Abbott in the primaries, and all are trying to be the most conservative.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 04, 2022 06:54:07
    Hello Mike,

    the difference. Also, assistance for single mothers is as
    much for th
    children as it is for the moms. Or are you not pro-life, just
    pro-bir

    That is one thing I have not understood about some people who are
    very
    rabid pro-life. They usually don't want any tax money going towards
    upkeep for those children, either. IMHO, you cannot have it both
    ways.

    I know, right?

    I can only speculate that they think that these children are a necessary
    burden on their parents as punishment for the perceived moral failing that
    brought the children into this world in the first place. As if the
    children
    themselves are nothing but expendible pawns in some game of morality
    chess.

    If you want them to be forced to have the kids, because that is what is right, then you should also know that being charitable is right and you should be willing to help care for them.

    I agree that some of them see it as punishment and think it is good. Oddly, I feel like they have probably experienced similar moral failings but have been lucky in the results.

    Sir Elton John and his husband have children. I would take it that
    both of them are very much pro-life.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 04, 2022 06:54:13
    Hello Mike,

    "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to
    the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his
    children smart."

    That is a pretty good one! :)

    Say gay.

    --Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, April 04, 2022 16:02:00
    I would suspect there could be some things going on with rabid pro-lifers, not the ones that simply believe that abortion is wrong but the ones that actually show up at clinics to curse at women, that follow similar lines.

    It's interesting that you would say that because in the news today was a story about one Lauren Handy, one of five anti-abortion activists charged with clinic access obstruction and engaging in a conspiracy against individuals' civil rights. Police raided the home where Ms. Handy lives after receiving a tip that the house contained biohazardous material. During the raid, police found five fetuses in the home. ccording to Hndy, she expected the raid to occur "sooner or later" and feared that "people will freak out when they hear."

    Hmmmm.... sounds like Ms. Handy had an experiment going, if they are not
    her's. I wonder why she was expecting a raid?

    I hope I remember to look this one up after I am done BBSing today.
    Enquiring minds want to know! :)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, April 04, 2022 19:33:31
    On 31 Mar 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nope, none of us. I hadn't considered it in terms of the pro-lifers, but is true that an amazing number of rabidly anti-gay religious leaders and politicians turn out to be gay themselves.

    I would suspect there could be some things going on with rabid pro-lifers, not the ones that simply believe that abortion is wrong but the ones that actually show up at clinics to curse at women, that follow similar lines.

    It's interesting that you would say that because in the news today was a story about one Lauren Handy, one of five anti-abortion activists charged with clinic access obstruction and engaging in a conspiracy against individuals' civil rights. Police raided the home where Ms. Handy lives after receiving a tip that the house contained biohazardous material. During the raid, police found five fetuses in the home. ccording to Hndy, she expected
    the raid to occur "sooner or later" and feared that "people will freak out when they hear."

    If you read this article, the plot thickens. For example, apparently Ms. Handy's anti-abortion activist group is not the group of right-wingnuts you might have pictured them as.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/04/01/lauren-handy-dc-abortion-fet uses/

    https://tinyurl.com/yc2rs37v

    "PAAUrCOs site says it is rCLcommitted to radical inclusivity while magnifying secular, feminist, liberal, and LGBTQIA+ identifying pro-life voices, especially those belonging to people of color.rCY Three of the five members of the group identify on the site as atheist, though Handy describes herself as a rCLCatholic anarcho mutualist rCa who creates trans-inclusive spaces within the pro-life movement.rCY On her Facebook page, she included a selfie of herself in a face mask that reads: rCLBlack Lives Matter from Womb to Natural Death.rCY"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, April 03, 2022 03:08:51
    There are a number of candidates challenging Abbott in the primaries,
    and all are trying to be the most conservative.

    Abbott seems extreme enough. I don't think anyone will out-do him in conservativism. Anyone who tries is probably an undercover Democrat.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 07:51:35
    It's interesting that you would say that because in the news today was a story about one Lauren Handy, one of five anti-abortion activists charge with clinic access obstruction and engaging in a conspiracy against individuals' civil rights. Police raided the home where Ms. Handy lives receiving a tip that the house contained biohazardous material. During t raid, police found five fetuses in the home. ccording to Hndy, she expec the raid to occur "sooner or later" and feared that "people will freak o when they hear."

    Hmmmm.... sounds like Ms. Handy had an experiment going, if they are not her's. I wonder why she was expecting a raid?

    I don't think that the article explicitly said as much, but I got the impression that they were hers. They were in a freezer.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 08:54:40
    On 03 Apr 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There are a number of candidates challenging Abbott in the primaries, and all are trying to be the most conservative.

    Abbott seems extreme enough. I don't think anyone will out-do him in conservativism. Anyone who tries is probably an undercover Democrat.

    Allen West, for example?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 06, 2022 18:40:18
    Hello Aaron,

    There are a number of candidates challenging Abbott in the primaries,
    and all are trying to be the most conservative.

    Abbott seems extreme enough. I don't think anyone will out-do him in conservativism. Anyone who tries is probably an undercover Democrat.

    Not to worry. Beto O'Rourke will win the hearts and minds of Texans
    without being a conservative of any kind.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, April 05, 2022 20:20:03

    Abbott seems extreme enough. I don't think anyone will out-do him in conservativism. Anyone who tries is probably an undercover Democrat.

    Allen West, for example?

    Yes, all the people who ran against Abbott are suspects in the conservative community. I appreciate how conservative Texans are smart enough to avoid the phonies.

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