• Both ways? No way.

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to All on Monday, February 19, 2024 19:05:00
    In the past I've argued that Biden is the cause of the Ukraine-Russia war.

    Leftists and conservatives both disagreed with me and said "No, the war is Putin's fault."

    So I was listening to ABC News briefs earlier, and they're saying that "More Ukrainians are dying every day because the Republicans won't give them the ammunition they need."

    But who's fault is the war? The Republicans, or Putin? Because you can't have it both ways!

    It's Putin's fault that more Ukrainians are dying every day, or else it's Zelenski's fault, or both. But it ain't Republicans' fault!

    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn himself in to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all win, at least financially.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, February 20, 2024 07:48:42
    Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-

    But who's fault is the war? The Republicans, or Putin? Because you
    can't have it both ways!

    Logic was never an Ignorant Elitist's strong point.

    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn himself in to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all win, at
    least financially.

    But not for the Biden Crime Family. Without the war, how will their launder their stolen tax dollars?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Tuesday, February 20, 2024 07:44:15
    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn himself in to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all win, at least financially.

    But not for the Biden Crime Family. Without the war, how will their launder their stolen tax dollars?

    Democrats have backup plans. That's why Biden immediately met with Israel's prime minister days after the Joe's orchestrated "Holocaust Part 2."

    ..and just in case nobody likes jews anymore, they have a 3rd backup plan in Yemen.

    Democrats + our money = destiny.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, February 19, 2024 23:32:35
    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn himself in to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all win, at least financially.

    I just ran a couple of wires to Joe Mccarthy's grave. He's rolling over so quickly, that he's generating enough power to light up the whole city.

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Miller on Thursday, February 22, 2024 06:32:17
    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn himself in to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all win, at l financially.

    I just ran a couple of wires to Joe Mccarthy's grave. He's rolling over
    so quickly, that he's generating enough power to light up the whole
    city.

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 23, 2024 00:29:18
    Hello Aaron,

    [..]

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Sir Paul McCartney knew all about those Ukraine girls leaving the
    West behind. Even Vladimir Putin believed him.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, February 23, 2024 06:55:02
    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive

    Sir Paul McCartney knew all about those Ukraine girls leaving the
    West behind. Even Vladimir Putin believed him.

    McCartney is one of them. His propaganda controls you, but his species is unable to control their own body temperature.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 23, 2024 09:48:44
    Hello Aaron!

    22 Feb 24 06:32, you wrote to me:

    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn
    himself in to
    Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all
    win, at l
    financially.

    I just ran a couple of wires to Joe Mccarthy's grave. He's
    rolling over so quickly, that he's generating enough power to
    light up the whole city.

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.


    Ah, so you're saying Reagan was all about LESS freedom for the people of the world, not MORE?

    Mike


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 23, 2024 10:53:27
    Re: Both ways? No way.
    By: Mike Miller to Aaron Thomas on Fri Feb 23 2024 09:48 am

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.


    Huh? The Ukrainian republic was one of the founding SSRs in the Soviet Union and gained indepence in 1991. Ukraine exists today. It outlasts Reagan.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, February 23, 2024 18:24:37
    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn himself in to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we all win, at l financially.

    I just ran a couple of wires to Joe Mccarthy's grave. He's rolling over so quickly, that he's generating enough power to light up the whole city.

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC, even had its own seat at the UN.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Mike Miller on Friday, February 23, 2024 18:26:41
    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    Sadly, most MAGA Republicans don't know a whole lot about Reagan.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Miller on Saturday, February 24, 2024 02:17:56
    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive


    Ah, so you're saying Reagan was all about LESS freedom for the people
    of the world, not MORE?

    Regan didn't engage in a war with Russia. The opposite is what he did.

    When Russia retaliates against the USA, and while the Big Guy is still president, we'll all be standing in line for a bag of rice and a jar of peanut butter.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Saturday, February 24, 2024 02:42:01
    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was aliv


    Huh? The Ukrainian republic was one of the founding SSRs in the Soviet Union and gained indepence in 1991. Ukraine exists today. It outlasts Reagan. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32

    It didn't have statehood until Regan was already already severely debilitated.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 24, 2024 02:47:35
    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC, even had its own seat at the UN.

    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia war?

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 24, 2024 08:30:12
    On 24 Feb 2024, Aaron Thomas said the following...


    When Russia retaliates against the USA, and while the Big Guy is still president, we'll all be standing in line for a bag of rice and a jar of peanut butter.


    Socialism works!!!

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 24, 2024 09:00:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Huh? The Ukrainian republic was one of the founding SSRs in the Soviet Union and gained indepence in 1991. Ukraine exists today. It outlasts Reagan.

    It didn't have statehood until Regan was already already severely debilitated.

    We are talking about REAGAN, correct? Former president of the US?






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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 24, 2024 09:10:00
    Mike Powell wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC,
    even had its own seat at the UN.

    What, are you resorting to FACTS? How low will you go?

    :)





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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 24, 2024 09:16:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia war?

    In Reagan's timeline? Yes - this was the cold war, anything we could do
    to interfere by proxy with the USSR was a good thing. Like, arming the muhajideen with weapons to use against the Soviwet military that would
    be later used against our forces.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 24, 2024 13:48:02
    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC, even had its own seat at the UN.

    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia war?

    Remembering how Reagan dealt with the USSR, I cannot say for sure but I suspect that he would not do what Russia wants... i.e. for Ukraine to receive no support so it falls to Russia.

    There is some more MAGA brain control... they want you to believe what Russia wants and, specifically, what Putin wants is always a good thing.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, February 24, 2024 14:12:41
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
    It didn't have statehood until Regan was already already severely debilitated.

    Balogna.

    Ukraine can trace its history back to 800's. Not the 1800's, the 800's. The first country with the word "Ukraine" it is name dates back to the 1600's. The Ukranian People's Republic was formed in 1917 and it was recognized as autonomous by the Russian (still not Communist) government. It was overrun by the Bolsheviks... you know, the Communists/USSR... in 1919. It would become a full part of the USSR at the end of the Russian Civil War in 1923.

    Reagan was born in 1911, long after the 800's or the 1600's.

    Ukraine regained independence in 1991.

    Reagan gave a very coherent (more so than anything Biden or Trump are currently capable of) and moving speech to the RNC, often called his Goodbye Speech, in August *1992*.

    Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in August, 1994. Depending on how you define "severely debilitated," that didn't happen until 1997 or late 2003.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Kurt Weiske on Saturday, February 24, 2024 14:14:10
    Mike Powell wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC, even had its own seat at the UN.

    What, are you resorting to FACTS? How low will you go?

    :)

    Pretty low apparently. :D

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 24, 2024 17:45:28
    On 24 Feb 2024, Mike Powell said the following...


    Remembering how Reagan dealt with the USSR, I cannot say for sure but I suspect that he would not do what Russia wants... i.e. for Ukraine to receive no support so it falls to Russia.


    This is not true... House has said... Help seal our border before money goes to other countries. They also said they want some accounting as to what they are doing with the money given.

    Putin also said that he was open to peace talks... and that it was western leaders that thwarted the almost brokered deal Russia and Ukraine had.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Saturday, February 24, 2024 23:37:11
    Huh? The Ukrainian republic was one of the founding SSRs in the Sovie Union and gained indepence in 1991. Ukraine exists today. It outlasts Reagan.

    It didn't have statehood until Regan was already already severely debilitated.

    We are talking about REAGAN, correct? Former president of the US?

    Yes. He left office in 1989. Ukraine became a state in 1991. He's got nothing to do with Ukraine other than he helped end the previous cold war with Russia by using diplomacy, something that Biden refused to do since day 1.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Saturday, February 24, 2024 23:41:55
    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia war?

    In Reagan's timeline? Yes - this was the cold war, anything we could do
    to interfere by proxy with the USSR was a good thing. Like, arming the muhajideen with weapons to use against the Soviwet military that would
    be later used against our forces.

    No, not in Regan's lifetime. What would Regan say about America going bankrupt to defend a state that's younger than New Kids On The Block? And has a corrupt government that fires prosecutors at the whim of foreigners?

    Go ahead, tell me what kind of a scumbag Regan was.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Saturday, February 24, 2024 23:55:06
    Remembering how Reagan dealt with the USSR, I cannot say for sure but I suspect that he would not do what Russia wants... i.e. for Ukraine to receive no support so it falls to Russia.

    Regan wouldn't be as revered as he is if he had funded a war against Russia on somebody else's behalf.

    Putin is not exterminating Ukrainian civilians. He gave them months of advance warning that they should leave. We even saw the warning over here on our TVs. He's not even targeting civilians.

    When the USA joined WWII, they saved millions of lives. We're not saving any lives in Ukraine. We're just handing record-breaking amounts of money to one of Biden's friends and military oversight or even congressional oversight is too much for us to ask.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sunday, February 25, 2024 00:00:04
    Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in August, 1994. Depending on how you define "severely debilitated," that didn't happen until 1997 or late 2003.

    Ok, maybe Regan is rolling over in his grave because we aren't bankrupting ourselves fast enough to defend Ukraine. But that doesn't seem like a characteristic of a president who's remembered for having a good economy.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, February 25, 2024 07:44:40
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    What, are you resorting to FACTS? How low will you go?

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, February 25, 2024 14:48:32
    Hello Kurt,

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was
    alive.


    Huh? The Ukrainian republic was one of the founding SSRs in the Soviet Union
    and gained indepence in 1991. Ukraine exists today. It outlasts Reagan.

    Finland did not bother to wait until the Soviet Union fell apart.
    It will outlast Putin.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Sunday, February 25, 2024 14:49:24
    Hello Mike,

    I have a solution that helps all parties: Zelenski turn
    himself in
    to Russia, and forfeit some of the land to Russia. Then we
    all
    win, at l financially.

    I just ran a couple of wires to Joe Mccarthy's grave. He's rolling
    over
    so quickly, that he's generating enough power to light up the
    whole
    city.

    Ronald Regan would slap you upside the head for these comments.

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC, even had
    its own seat at the UN.

    Just like the USA has 50 separate seats at the UN.
    Sure, the former Soviet Union wanted 15 seats. But
    the USA complained, threatening to nuke NYC if the
    general-secratary gave ths Soviets that many seats.
    So a deal was made, and the Red Menace settled for
    three, the number of the holy trinity. And the USA
    kept its own solitary place as host in NYC.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, February 25, 2024 14:50:30
    Hello Aaron,

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was
    aliv


    Huh? The Ukrainian republic was one of the founding SSRs in the
    Soviet
    Union and gained indepence in 1991. Ukraine exists today. It outlasts
    Reagan. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32

    It didn't have statehood until Regan was already already severely debilitated.

    Reagan left office in January 1989. Gorbachev dissolved the USSR
    in 1991. Ukraine declared its independence shortly afterward, in 1991.
    And the Z has ruled ever since ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, February 25, 2024 14:50:39
    Hello Aaron,

    No he wouldn't. Ukraine didn't even exist when Ronald Regan was
    alive.

    Yes, it did. It was a separate republic within the USSR and, IIRC,
    even
    had its own seat at the UN.

    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia war?

    Ukraine declared its independence in 1991, long after Reagan had
    left office. Gorbachev had dissolved the USSR, which helped.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, February 25, 2024 09:27:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Yes. He left office in 1989. Ukraine became a state in 1991. He's got nothing to do with Ukraine other than he helped end the previous cold
    war with Russia by using diplomacy, something that Biden refused to do since day 1.

    Ok, so the Ukrainian SSR doesn't count?

    Kudos to bringing the thread back to Biden-bashing. Your statement might
    make sense if Putin and Gorbachev were cut of the same cloth.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, February 25, 2024 09:29:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Go ahead, tell me what kind of a scumbag Regan was.

    I wouldn't call him a scumbag, and I wouldn't call him "Regan", either.
    I do disagree strongly with his economic policy and feel it has had repercussions to this day.

    But, I can have civilized political discourse without resorting to
    personal attacks.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, February 25, 2024 14:05:59
    Remembering how Reagan dealt with the USSR, I cannot say for sure but I suspect that he would not do what Russia wants... i.e. for Ukraine to receive no support so it falls to Russia.

    Regan wouldn't be as revered as he is if he had funded a war against Russia on somebody else's behalf.

    During his time as President, the US funded the Afghans against the Russians.

    Did you learn *anything* in school?

    Putin is not exterminating Ukrainian civilians. He gave them months of advance warning that they should leave. We even saw the warning over here on our TVs. He's not even targeting civilians.

    So if Trudolf or the Mexican President told us US Citizens that we had X months to leave the US -- our home -- before they invade, WTF would you do? Leave?

    This argument that it is their fault because they are citizens of a country that some despot decided to invade is stupid. Anyone who'd agree with it is stupid.

    When the USA joined WWII, they saved millions of lives. We're not saving any lives in Ukraine. We're just handing record-breaking amounts of money to one of Biden's friends and military oversight or even congressional oversight is too much for us to ask.

    There is oversight that is missing here, yes. Had this happened when Trump was President, I have doubts that we'd not be funding it. Remember, Trump was withholding aid to get dirt on Biden, which means that there was already aid going to Ukraine for him to stop.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, February 25, 2024 14:21:19
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Yes. He left office in 1989. Ukraine became a state in 1991. He's got nothing to do with Ukraine other than he helped end the previous cold war with Russia by using diplomacy, something that Biden refused to do since day 1.

    Ok, so the Ukrainian SSR doesn't count?

    Kudos to bringing the thread back to Biden-bashing. Your statement might make sense if Putin and Gorbachev were cut of the same cloth.

    Ukraine's history goes back beyond the SSR. They were actually a free country, which was recognized by Russian, during the period between the removal of the Czar and the end of the Russian Civil War. There were periods before that where they were also the own country.

    The MAGAs have been trained to believe that anything Putin does is OK because Trump says it is OK. Putin, or his buddy in Belarus, could invade Poland next week and it would be OK. Putin's regime is currently sending refugees to the Finnish border to cause disruptions there. I am sure that "invasion" is also ok, and will still be ok if it leads to an eventual conflict.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, February 26, 2024 02:19:57
    Hello Aaron,

    Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's in August, 1994. Depending on how
    you define "severely debilitated," that didn't happen until 1997 or late
    2003.

    Ok, maybe Regan is rolling over in his grave because we aren't bankrupting ourselves fast enough to defend Ukraine.

    How many American lives are you willing to waste fighting Russia,
    with no help from Europe or any of our other allies? Our cost to
    help Ukraine to defend itself is roughly 5% of our defense budget,
    without having to send any US troops. Imagine that. Ukrainians
    defending their own land, with their own soldiers, with a little
    help from their friends. And you want to stab them in the back.
    Just like your orange god, who is in love with Mad Vlad.

    But that doesn't seem like a characteristic of a president who's remembered
    for having a good economy.

    The US economy is doing great, with full employment and everybody
    happy as can be. And also at peace with the rest of the world.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, February 25, 2024 22:12:52
    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia war?

    Ukraine declared its independence in 1991, long after Reagan had
    left office. Gorbachev had dissolved the USSR, which helped.

    Good point! Here's another good point: Who cares what Regan would have thought about the Ukraine-Biden-Russia war anyway? His opinion about it would probably be insightful, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, February 25, 2024 22:42:24
    Yes. He left office in 1989. Ukraine became a state in 1991. He's got nothing to do with Ukraine other than he helped end the previous cold war with Russia by using diplomacy, something that Biden refused to d since day 1.

    Ok, so the Ukrainian SSR doesn't count?

    Nah. They knew they were going to be attacked militarily some day. That day is today, unfortunately.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, February 25, 2024 22:43:52
    Go ahead, tell me what kind of a scumbag Regan was.

    I wouldn't call him a scumbag, and I wouldn't call him "Regan", either.
    I do disagree strongly with his economic policy and feel it has had repercussions to this day.

    But, I can have civilized political discourse without resorting to personal attacks.

    I don't mean that he was a scumbag like the kind who don't take showers, I mean maybe he was a political scumbag, something similar to Arnold Shwarzenegger?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Sunday, February 25, 2024 23:03:08
    Regan wouldn't be as revered as he is if he had funded a war against Ru on somebody else's behalf.

    During his time as President, the US funded the Afghans against the Russians.

    Did you learn *anything* in school?

    Not about Regan and not about that conflict.

    So if Trudolf or the Mexican President told us US Citizens that we had X months to leave the US -- our home -- before they invade, WTF would you do? Leave?

    Yes! Russian troops along the US border? That would make me leave no matter how little money I have saved up. Russians mean business and they have nuclear weapons in case guns aren't scary enough. Canadian troops on our border? I'd laugh my ass off.

    This argument that it is their fault because they are citizens of a country that some despot decided to invade is stupid. Anyone who'd
    agree with it is stupid.

    They should have saw it coming back during the Obama years. If Russia had invaded and taken Philadelphia, for example, I'd say "It's time to get out of here."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, February 25, 2024 23:15:50
    Ok, maybe Regan is rolling over in his grave because we aren't bankru ourselves fast enough to defend Ukraine.

    How many American lives are you willing to waste fighting Russia,

    I'd rather have our military fighting against Russia than have our civilians fighting against Russia. But you're choosing the latter.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, February 28, 2024 23:29:10
    Hello Aaron,

    But we can infer that Regan would support the Ukraine-Russia
    war?

    Ukraine declared its independence in 1991, long after Reagan had
    left office. Gorbachev had dissolved the USSR, which helped.

    Good point! Here's another good point: Who cares what Regan would have thought about the Ukraine-Biden-Russia war anyway? His opinion about it would probably be insightful, but I wouldn't bet on it.

    Ronald Reagan is dead. So is Nancy. As well as Gorbachev.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, February 28, 2024 23:29:18
    Hello Aaron,

    How many American lives are you willing to waste fighting Russia,

    I'd rather have our military fighting against Russia than have our civilians
    fighting against Russia. But you're choosing the latter.

    Earth calling Aaron ...
    Earth calling Aaron ...

    Our military are Americans. American lives saving others - including
    ourselves - from harm. Shame on you for turning your back on yourself
    and your own kind.

    For Life,
    Lee

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