2023 FTSC election, call for nominations
========================================


An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday, 29th of
January 2023 at 20:00 UTC.

As per FTA-1000.003 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
5 and no more than 30. Presently there are 10 FTSC members; 7 of those
have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(10-7)=27
members to be elected.

From FTA-1001.007

3.2 FTSC Standing Members
-------------------------

FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
the terms.]

To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a FidoNet
node, and should be actively involved in FidoNet. Examples include
having put out a FidoNet-related product or having updated a product
in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

Standing members may be nominated FidoNet-wide by all of the
following methods:

1. Any RC.
2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
officer of the FTSC.

Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
approval by a majority of votes.
Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

The status of RC's will be determined by nodelist.027 of this year by
the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

Nominations start at Sunday, 29 January 2022, 20:00 UTC and end at
Sunday, 19 February 2022, 20:00 UTC.

Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
accept.

Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
practice. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current FidoNet practice evolves and when
it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
FTSC in order to "engineer FidoNet" may be in for a disappointment.
Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.003
http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

Andrew Leary
FTSC Election Coordinator

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Andrew wrote (2023-01-09):

As per FTA-1000.003 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
5 and no more than 30. Presently there are 10 FTSC members; 7 of those have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(10-7)=27 members to be elected.

"Everybody will win and all must have prizes."

Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current practice.

Nothing (relevant) will be done (by FTSC members) and nobody will care.

Keep updating FTA-1003 ...

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"Everybody will win and all must have prizes."

Election time ... it's the moment that all the useless woodboring worms pop-up from the woodworks with a totally irrelevant opinion...

\%/@rd

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Hey Ward!

Election time ... it's the moment that all the useless woodboring
worms pop-up from the woodworks with a totally irrelevant opinion

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Also it is unbecoming of your position. You should know better.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Maurice,

Election time ... it's the moment that all the useless woodboring
worms pop-up from the woodworks with a totally irrelevant opinion

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself. Also it is unbecoming of your position. You should know better.

My position is what it is, sitting preferably in a couch with a glass of my favorite chilled dark ale.

It does not come with a manual on how to do things, the position I mean...

Although I may be less outspoken than others in my category in the usage of a selected vocabulary, I need to stress that nevertheless the importance which I attach to the level of appreciation by others of how I perform my very much non-descript responsibilities equals a value bordering to zero. That has a lot to do with experience on the job, and you know what experience is ... it is what you get, when you don't get what you wanted.

Take care,

\%/@rd

BTW, I don't consider you to be a member of the species of useless woodboring worms, I also can appreciate your opinion.

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Hey Ward!

you know what experience is ... it is what you get, when you
don't get what you wanted.

What did you want? Maybe you're in the wrong place?

I also can appreciate your opinion.

You too but right now there is an election to be had. Hopefully it will come with better discussion than we've seen thus far.

Life is good,
Maurice

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You too but right now there is an election to be had. Hopefully it will come with better discussion than we've seen thus far.

Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes recently? I would not hold my breath.

// Just coming out of the woodworks...


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United we are strong, we win. Divided we are weak, we lose.

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Hello Björn,

Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes recently?

Yes.

I would not hold my breath.

No, keep on breathing. It worth it. ;)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Björn Felten -> Maurice Kinal skrev 2023-01-09 20:23:

Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes recently?

Except for the BINKD and the IPV6 echoes, I should have said. The Trolls seem to have missed those echoes.

--
United we are strong, we win. Divided we are weak, we lose.

..

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Alan Ianson -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2023-01-09 20:28:

Seriously? Have you seen *any* serious discussions in Fido echoes
recently?

Yes.

I know. It was actually you that I came to think of (in the BINKD echo). Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

--
United we are strong, we win. Divided we are weak, we lose.

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On 09 Jan 23 18:05:51, Maurice Kinal said the following to Ward Dossche:

I also can appreciate your opinion.

You too but right now there is an election to be had. Hopefully it will co with better discussion than we've seen thus far.

This echo is dead as a doornail so you must mean better than recent convo about one person's problem with the Exec command in BinkD, or better than one person's hilarious doomsday-cult nonsense about IPV6?

I wouldn't count on it...

Nick

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Hey Nick!

This echo is dead as a doornail so you must mean better than
recent convo about one person's problem with the Exec command in
BinkD

No I didn't.

or better than one person's hilarious doomsday-cult nonsense
about IPV6?

Nope although good hilarious doomsday nonsense potentially could be fun at times.

I wouldn't count on it...

I am not counting on it. Instead I am doing something about it. How about you?

Life is good,
Maurice

-o -o o- o- -o -o o- o- o- -o -o -o -o o- -o o-
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On 10 Jan 23 17:54:54, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

I wouldn't count on it...

I am not counting on it. Instead I am doing something about it. How about you?

Everyone thoroughly enjoys what I bring to the table...

Nick

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Hey Nick!

Everyone thoroughly enjoys what I bring to the table...

Cool. I sheepishly admit that I haven't noticed. Where does one tap into this joy?

Life is good,
Maurice

-o -o o- -o -o -o -o o- o- -o o- o- -o o- o- o-
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On 10 Jan 23 23:40:49, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

Everyone thoroughly enjoys what I bring to the table...

Cool. I sheepishly admit that I haven't noticed. Where does one tap into this joy?

The "Nodelist police" echo for starters, created solely from my refusal to
play petty dictator to RC's. Every week my system publishes free masturbatory reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

Nick

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Every week my system publishes free masturbatory
reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

That's probably becoming expensive ...

\%/@rd

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Hey Nick!

The "Nodelist police" echo for starters

I am not sure that is the same one I am thinking about, but if it is then the last time I peeked in there wasn't much of anything going on, nevermind ZC-love. Also the moderator there and I have issues that never got resolved and are HIGLY unlikey to ever be resolved. It was mostly personal so there is no fidonet controversy there that I am aware of.

Every week my system publishes free masturbatory reading material
along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

Whoa! You guys are living the high life out east.

Life is good,
Maurice

-o -o o- -o -o o- o- -o -o -o -o -o o- o- o- -o
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On 11 Jan 23 17:06:27, Maurice Kinal said the following to Nick Andre:

Every week my system publishes free masturbatory reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

Whoa! You guys are living the high life out east.

:)

Nick

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On 11 Jan 23 10:48:53, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

*MSGID: 2:292/854 10314066
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*TZUTC: 0100

Every week my system publishes free masturbatory
reading material along with the complimentary box of Kleenex.

That's probably becoming expensive ...

I get the begging-Belgian discount...

Nick

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 01:55:35 -0500
"Andrew Leary" <andrew.leary@1:320/219> wrote:

2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

Who are on these nominating committees, if anyone? I may have doubts
about certain members judgments.
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2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

Who are on these nominating committees, if anyone? I may have doubts
about certain members judgments.

There are no nominating committees at present, but the FTSC and/or ZCC may decide to set-up one and seek candidates.

This was done for the first time the previous election to attract competent technical people and move away from the political or incompetent nominations which occured for no other reason "because I can".

This was pretty successful with 3 competent developers being elected and zero trash.

Alex probably does not agree with it all.

\%/@rd

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Hello Nigel!

15 Jan 23 04:34, you wrote to me:

2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

Who are on these nominating committees, if anyone? I may have doubts
about certain members judgments.

At this time, the FTSC has not established a nominating committee. The ZCC did for the last election, but as of yet hasn't indicated that it intends to do so again.

Andrew

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Hallo Andrew!

15.01.2023 14:25, Andrew Leary schrieb an Nigel Reed:

At this time, the FTSC has not established a nominating committee.
The ZCC did for the last election, but as of yet hasn't indicated that
it intends to do so again.

Whats the difference of this election?

Earlier elections just went forward with a nominated election commitee of the ftsc as I remember. This election commitee was deployed by the chairman of ftsc, not of the zcc.

Andrew

Bye/2 Torsten, RC24, Z2

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Hello Torsten,

Earlier elections just went forward with a nominated election commitee of the ftsc as I remember. This election commitee was deployed by the
chairman of ftsc, not of the zcc.

That is incorrect.

Earlier elections just went on with sometimes rogue nominations ... certain individuals thought that a zonal balance was needed, others made believe they invented the fire, the wheel and the hot water and just deserved to be there.

As a result, historically there was trash in the FTSC.

There never was a nomination committee by the FTSC.

During the previous election in 2022 the ZCC took it upon itself to seek qualified candidates and established such a committee with good results.

Elections lately were run by the FTSC Administrator and not by a committee. Though in a distant past this was different.

Take care,

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward!

16.01.2023 01:28, Ward Dossche schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

Earlier elections just went forward with a nominated election
commitee of the ftsc as I remember. This election commitee was
deployed by the chairman of ftsc, not of the zcc.

That is incorrect.

Ah, okay.

Earlier elections just went on with sometimes rogue nominations ... certain individuals thought that a zonal balance was needed, others
made believe they invented the fire, the wheel and the hot water and
just deserved to be there.

As a result, historically there was trash in the FTSC.

There never was a nomination committee by the FTSC.

Got it. I ment the 'voting committee' with the procedure of nomination of the candidates by rc's.

During the previous election in 2022 the ZCC took it upon itself to
seek qualified candidates and established such a committee with good results.
Elections lately were run by the FTSC Administrator and not by a committee. Though in a distant past this was different.

Thanks a lot for clearing.

Just to sum up, it's nonsensical to persue further ftsc activations.

Take care,
\%/@rd

Bye/2 Torsten

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2023 FTSC election, call for nominations
========================================


An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday, 29th of
January 2023 at 20:00 UTC.

As per FTA-1000.003 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
5 and no more than 30. Presently there are 10 FTSC members; 7 of those
have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(10-7)=27
members to be elected.

From FTA-1001.007

3.2 FTSC Standing Members
-------------------------

FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
the terms.]

To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a FidoNet
node, and should be actively involved in FidoNet. Examples include
having put out a FidoNet-related product or having updated a product
in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

Standing members may be nominated FidoNet-wide by all of the
following methods:

1. Any RC.
2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
officer of the FTSC.

Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
approval by a majority of votes.
Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

The status of RC's will be determined by nodelist.027 of this year by
the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

Nominations start at Sunday, 29 January 2022, 20:00 UTC and end at
Sunday, 19 February 2022, 20:00 UTC.

Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
accept.

Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
practice. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current FidoNet practice evolves and when
it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
FTSC in order to "engineer FidoNet" may be in for a disappointment.
Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.003
http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

Andrew Leary
FTSC Election Coordinator

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On 14 Feb 23 10:26:03, Andrew Leary said the following to All:

Nick Andre 1:229/426 RC33 No

I accept.

Nick

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Hello Nick!

14 Feb 23 15:23, you wrote to me:

On 14 Feb 23 10:26:03, Andrew Leary said the following to All:

Nick Andre 1:229/426 RC33 No

I accept.

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

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