Hello Nigel Reed!

** On Monday 28.03.22 - 16:24, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

"August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
outreach.

I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not sure how
to do it, other than importing every single nntp group into synchronet
and I don't think that's really feasible.

I connect to your system with nntp to fetch a few fidonet
echos. That's what I meant. The nntp method is practically a
no-brainer for new initiates into the art of converstion in FTN
echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!


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On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 19:43:00 -0400
"August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

Hello Nigel Reed!

** On Monday 28.03.22 - 16:24, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

"August Abolins" <august.abolins@2:221/1.58> wrote:

Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
outreach.

I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not
sure how to do it, other than importing every single nntp group
into synchronet and I don't think that's really feasible.

I connect to your system with nntp to fetch a few fidonet
echos. That's what I meant. The nntp method is practically a
no-brainer for new initiates into the art of converstion in FTN
echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free usenet
clients for Windows. FreeAgent used to be the goto but even that's no
longer free. Some of the others just plain suck.

That said, I've been using Claws and quite like it.
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Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?


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On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 16:33:22 +0200
"Carlos Navarro" <carlos.navarro@2:341/234.12> wrote:

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.
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Hi Nigel,

On 2022-03-29 11:30:01, you wrote to All:

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To: field. All your replies are to "All"...

Bye, Wilfred.

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On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:35:22 +0200
"Wilfred van Velzen" <wilfred.van.velzen@2:280/464> wrote:

Hi Nigel,

On 2022-03-29 11:30:01, you wrote to All:

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
free usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
field. All your replies are to "All"...

May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
look into it.
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Hi Nigel,

On 2022-03-29 15:54:02, you wrote to All:

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
free usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
field. All your replies are to "All"...

May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
look into it.

I don't know, but you see some jamnntp users, that have the To: field filled in when they reply...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Nigel Reed!

** On Tuesday 29.03.22 - 15:54, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
field. All your replies are to "All"...

May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
look into it.

It's only a feature in JamNNTP.
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On 30/03/2022 07:54, Nigel Reed : All wrote:

; Did you try Thunderbird?

 NR>>> Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
field. All your replies are to "All"...

May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that?

It does

I'll look into it.

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On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

; Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
; field. All your replies are to "All"...

 NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
 NR>> look into it.

It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

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Hello Nigel,

Your system is amazing. The nntp part is a nice way to provide
outreach.

I'd like to provide an nntp newsfeed for my users, but I'm not
sure how to do it, other than importing every single nntp group
into synchronet and I don't think that's really feasible.

I connect to your system with nntp to fetch a few fidonet
echos. That's what I meant. The nntp method is practically a
no-brainer for new initiates into the art of converstion in FTN
echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free usenet clients for Windows. FreeAgent used to be the goto but even that's no longer free. Some of the others just plain suck.

MesNews is free. And miles better than FreeAgent.

That said, I've been using Claws and quite like it.

Lack of awareness is more the problem, not lack of easy to obtain
free usenet clients for Windows.

--Lee

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El 29/3/22 a las 17:54, Nigel Reed escribió:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 21:35:22 +0200
"Wilfred van Velzen" <wilfred.van.velzen@2:280/464> wrote:

Hi Nigel,

On 2022-03-29 11:30:01, you wrote to All:

>> NR> Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
>> NR> free usenet clients for Windows.
>>
>> Did you try Thunderbird?

NR> Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
field. All your replies are to "All"...

May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
look into it.

I already use thunderbird for read my networks ftn/qwk over sbbs nntp
service
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El 30/3/22 a las 11:30, David Drummond escribió:

On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

 >>> Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in the To:
 >>> field. All your replies are to "All"...

 NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
 NR>> look into it.

AA> It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:56:20 -0300
"Fernando Toledo" <fernando.toledo@4:902/26> wrote:

El 30/3/22 a las 11:30, David Drummond escribió:

On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

 >>> Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in
the To: >>> field. All your replies are to "All"...

 NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do
that? I'll NR>> look into it.

AA> It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying
in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

thunderbird has the To field at nntp reply if you use "reply to all"
feature

Does it not then both send a post via nntp and an email via smtp?
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Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

If you use JAMNNTPd there is a way. Like this...



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El 31/3/22 a las 01:58, Nigel Reed escribió:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:56:20 -0300
"Fernando Toledo" <fernando.toledo@4:902/26> wrote:

El 30/3/22 a las 11:30, David Drummond escribió:

On 30/03/2022 09:23, August Abolins : Nigel Reed wrote:

 >>> Except putting the name of the sysop you're replying to in
the To: >>> field. All your replies are to "All"...

 NR>> May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do
that? I'll NR>> look into it.

AA> It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

Aha! Now that you mention it there is no "To" field when replying
in newsgroups in Thunderbird.

thunderbird has the To field at nntp reply if you use "reply to all"
feature

Does it not then both send a post via nntp and an email via smtp?

Yes and sbbs smtp service resolve the ftn address and sent it as netmail
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29 Mar 2022 11:30, you wrote to All:

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain free
usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Are you using the Windows port?

Carlos

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28 Mar 2022 19:43, you wrote to Nigel Reed:

The nntp method is practically a no-brainer for new initiates into the
art of converstion in FTN echoes. It is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

It's been advertised in the FidoNews for 10 years now.

Carlos

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:54:01 -0300
"Fernando Toledo" <fernando.toledo@4:902/26> wrote:

Yes and sbbs smtp service resolve the ftn address and sent it as
netmail --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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Why would I want to send it via netmail?
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:12:03 +0100
"Bj_rn Felten" <bj_rn.felten@2:203/2> wrote:

From: "Bj_rn Felten" <bj_rn.felten@2:203/2>
To: Someone Else
Subject: ftn via nntp
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2022 15:12:03 +0100
Newsgroups: Fidonet.FN_SYSOP

Sending to "Someone Else" doesn't really address the issue that Wilfred
brought up in that it doesn't address it to the person you're
responding to.
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On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 17:19:14 +0200
"Carlos Navarro" <carlos.navarro@2:341/234> wrote:

29 Mar 2022 11:30, you wrote to All:

Ah ok. The problem with nntp is the lack of easy to obtain
free usenet clients for Windows.

Did you try Thunderbird?

Nah, I'm happy with Claws. Does everything I need.

Are you using the Windows port?

No.
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Sending to "Someone Else" doesn't really address the issue that Wilfred brought up in that it doesn't address it to the person you're
responding to.

???

Who do you want me to address it to, then?




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May just be a config error on my side. Does Thunderbird do that? I'll
look into it.

It's only a feature in JamNNTP.

Exactly. 8-)





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Hello Carlos Navarro!

** On Thursday 31.03.22 - 17:28, you wrote to me:

The nntp method is practically a no-brainer for new
initiates into the art of converstion in FTN echoes. It
is highly under-advertised and under-promoted!

It's been advertised in the FidoNews for 10 years now.

True enough. But how does the message get out to people who
don't know where find out about it? ;)

Furthermore, the part in Fidonews doesn't really "sell" the
solution. There is no description of the differences between
traditional nntp vs JamNNTP. The former (with all messages
posting to ALL) is worse than what most traditional forums
offer (that is, sending messages when there is a post addressed
to a specific person). The latter, is much better in that
messages appear personalized; that can be a salient feature to
the participant.


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