In today's use of dns is the process of using node lists for netmail routing still important or is this just something maintained for older systems who do not support this?
Are all nodes registered with the Fidonet dns system or is this a best effort practice?

Thanks,
Tom


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On 09 Dec 24 11:34:03, Tom Moore said the following to All:

In today's use of dns is the process of using node lists for netmail routin still important or is this just something maintained for older systems who not support this?

Are you for real?

Atreyu

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Re: Netmail Routing
By: Tom Moore to All on Mon Dec 09 2024 11:34 am

In today's use of dns is the process of using node lists for netmail routing still important or is this just something maintained for older systems who do not support this?

Not all nodes are Internet-connected or using BinkP.

Are all nodes registered with the Fidonet dns system or is this a best effort practice?

No, not all nodes are. I imagine that whatever parses the node list to create that domain zone file is using nodelist flags to filter-in which nodes should be included in the zone.
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Atreyu wrote to Tom Moore <=-

Are you for real?

Yes,
I asked because as I understand it Fidonet has been completely converted to internet based bbs's where dns is how systems find each other.
If this is not the case in all situations then I understand why the nodelist is still used.

Tom


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Rob Swindell wrote to Tom Moore <=-

Re: Netmail Routing
By: Tom Moore to All on Mon Dec 09 2024 11:34 am

In today's use of dns is the process of using node lists for netmail routing still important or is this just something maintained for older systems who do not support this?

Not all nodes are Internet-connected or using BinkP.

Oh, I see.
I didn't know that there were still some systems connecting over dial-up or other methods to send messages that are not internet based.

Tom


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On 09 Dec 24 14:57:47, Tom Moore said the following to Atreyu:

Are you for real?

Yes,
I asked because as I understand it Fidonet has been completely converted to internet based bbs's where dns is how systems find each other.

DNS has absolutely nothing to do with the nodelist.

Atreyu

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Re: Re: Netmail Routing
By: Tom Moore to Rob Swindell on Mon Dec 09 2024 02:57 pm

Not all nodes are Internet-connected or using BinkP.

Oh, I see.
I didn't know that there were still some systems connecting over dial-up or other methods to send messages that are not internet based.

Some FTN nodes use Internet-based methods that are not BinkP (e.g. EMSI/FTS-1/FTS-6 over Telnet). They might still have a corresponding binkp.net hostname, but I'm guessing only if they support BinkP as well.
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Re: Re: Netmail Routing
By: Atreyu to Tom Moore on Mon Dec 09 2024 03:26 pm

DNS has absolutely nothing to do with the nodelist.

Well, it kind of does since the FidoNet nodelist (at least zones 1 and 2's) is used to populate the DNS zone file for the binkp.net domain:

$ host f426.n229.z1.binkp.net
f426.n229.z1.binkp.net is an alias for bbs.darkrealms.ca.
bbs.darkrealms.ca has address 142.112.73.114

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Atreyu wrote to Tom Moore <=-

DNS has absolutely nothing to do with the nodelist.

In one prospective this is true.
Based on my lack of experience with how Netmail really works I thought that dns was always used by mailers as a fall back if the nodelist wasn't available, or if a 1:ALL hub wasn't in the routing table.
I wasn't aware that BinkP's use of dns was an extra feature that isn't required and is offered as a solution to not having a nodelist present and is not offered by all mailers.

Tom


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El 9/12/24 a las 18:44, Rob Swindell (1:103/705) escribió:

Re: Re: Netmail Routing
By: Atreyu to Tom Moore on Mon Dec 09 2024 03:26 pm

> DNS has absolutely nothing to do with the nodelist.

Well, it kind of does since the FidoNet nodelist (at least zones 1 and 2's) is used to populate the DNS zone file for the binkp.net domain:

$ host f426.n229.z1.binkp.net
f426.n229.z1.binkp.net is an alias for bbs.darkrealms.ca.
bbs.darkrealms.ca has address 142.112.73.114

i use too for my bbs:

ragnarok@ragnarok-pc:~$ host f26.n902.z4.binkp.net
f26.n902.z4.binkp.net is an alias for bbs.docksud.com.ar.
bbs.docksud.com.ar has address 186.123.101.23
bbs.docksud.com.ar has IPv6 address 2803:9800:a015:831e:523e:aaff:fe0f:fb01 bbs.docksud.com.ar mail is handled by 5 mx.scarlet.bbs.docksud.com.ar. bbs.docksud.com.ar mail is handled by 10 mx2.bbs.docksud.com.ar.
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On 09 Dec 24 13:44:27, Rob Swindell said the following to Atreyu:

Well, it kind of does since the FidoNet nodelist (at least zones 1 and 2's) used to populate the DNS zone file for the binkp.net domain:

Semantics aside, DNS is not in Policy, not technically required on an application, not really a blip on my radar... If I connect to your system, fine. If not, oh well.... GIGO.

$ host f426.n229.z1.binkp.net
f426.n229.z1.binkp.net is an alias for bbs.darkrealms.ca.
bbs.darkrealms.ca has address 142.112.73.114

Please lecture me more about "DNS lookups" Professor Hud. ;)

Atreyu

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On 09 Dec 24 17:01:24, Tom Moore said the following to Atreyu:

Based on my lack of experience with how Netmail really works I thought that was always used by mailers as a fall back if the nodelist wasn't available, if a 1:ALL hub wasn't in the routing table.
I wasn't aware that BinkP's use of dns was an extra feature that isn't requ and is offered as a solution to not having a nodelist present and is not offered by all mailers.

You really need to review Fido Policy, all of what you are asking is there, and even between the lines. Some people hate it but it actually articulates very clearly that what you are asking.

Fido is what it is. It piggybacks off the Internet but the two are mutually exclusive in the end.

Atreyu

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Re: Re: Netmail Routing
By: Atreyu to Rob Swindell on Mon Dec 09 2024 10:10 pm

Well, it kind of does since the FidoNet nodelist (at least zones 1 and 2's) used to populate the DNS zone file for the binkp.net domain:

Semantics aside, DNS is not in Policy, not technically required on an application, not really a blip on my radar... If I connect to your system, fine. If not, oh well.... GIGO.

The OP had a valid question. I was trying to give a helpful and accurate reply. I'm not sure what you're trying to do.
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