• Tactical Nuke?

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Everybody,

    Tactical nuke? What do you think?

    From `Scientific American' -

    “While we don’t know for sure what caused the explosion in Beirut…. It’s relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the
    same area as the ammonium nitrate prills. Also, the prills themselves
    are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with,
    or packaged in, some other combustible material.”

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Kostie Muirhead on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Kostie,

    Tactical nuke? What do you think?
    "While we don't know for sure what caused the explosion in Beirut....
    It's relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate

    Nah, they're not saying the explosion wasn't ammonium nitrate, just that they're questioning whether it was due only to the fire. Pretty sure it's going to end up just being a case of a series of really bad mistakes and poor handling. Heck, look what happened in Halifax in WWI with explosives that weren't just haphazardly stored, and during a time people were very used to handling such things.

    A terrorist organization, such as Hezbollah, certainly should have
    known better than to continually building store a 2,750-ton stockpile
    of highly volatile ammonium nitrate at a port since 2013, with very
    few (if any) safeguards in place, despite several warnings of what
    would happen. And to think all it took was one careless welder to
    do such damage, leaving at least 160 people dead and injuring more
    than 6,000? How many people were left homeless? Oh, that was all
    the folks who were protesting after the blast ...

    Timothy McVeigh didn't need to be a welder to do what he did.
    All he needed was one big truck. What if he had chosen to use
    a tactical nuke rather than a load of ammonium nitrate?

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    3.5 short tons (3,200 kg or 7,000 pounds)

    Just out of curiosity, why in Heavens name are you still trying to invent measurements that are out of sync with the rest of the world?

    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Björn,

    3.5 short tons (3,200 kg or 7,000 pounds)

    Just out of curiosity, why in Heavens name are you still trying to invent measurements that are out of sync with the rest of the world?

    I am not that original. Found it on the internet. On wikipedia.
    Not sure who wrote it. But must have been an American. After all,
    the article was about an American. Or what he did with ammonium
    nitrate.

    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?

    Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.
    As explained by the stable genius we have in the White House.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Oli on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Oli wrote to All <=-

    You're stupid, even by troll standards.

    Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the
    mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also
    appreciated.

    Why don't you come do it yourself, point-boi?



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Dan,

    There is video of the explosion in Beirut. There is also video of
    explosions caused by tactical nukes. It is almost impossible to
    tell the difference. Maybe impossible. How can anybody know for
    sure if it really was ammonium nitrate that caused the explosion?

    By using forensic science, you dumb fuck. Quite easy to find out.

    Is it?

    A tactical nuke is about 1/10 the size of what we used in 1945.

    Of course, each tactical nuke is different, given various factors.

    Go ahead. Take a look at video of the explosion in Beirut.
    And compare that video with video of an explosion caused by
    a tactical nuke.

    You're stupid, even by troll standards.

    Thank you for the compliment.

    And now, for your viewing pleasure,
    some video shows you are sure to enjoy.
    One for the money, two to get ready,
    and three for the show -

    Atomic bomb, size used in 1945 -

    https://youtu.be/dQPDKopa1_0


    Beirut explosian, about 26-30 seconds into track -

    https://youtu.be/93tV6-0Ugwk


    Tactical nuke -

    https://youtu.be/xHiihPD7bLM


    Hope you enjoyed your video show.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Oli on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Oli,

    you dumb fuck.

    You're stupid, even by troll standards.

    Can someone punch this excessively annoying troll-sysop in the mouth, please? ;) Other ideas to make him shut up are also appreciated.

    I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
    learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
    the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
    But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
    he will recognize anything at all.

    --Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Lee,

    On Friday August 14 2020 22:55, you wrote to Oli:

    I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
    learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
    the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
    But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
    he will recognize anything at all.

    While it may look the same from a distance, measurements on the spot will tell the difference. Use a Geiger counter and you will know right away. A nuclear explosion leaves radio activity, a chemical explosion does not. No way to obfusciate that.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Michiel,

    I showed him a few video clips of various explosians so he could
    learn what the discussion is about. Video of an atomic bomb fireball,
    the explosian in Beirut, and an explosian caused by a tactical nuke.
    But other than standing in the middle of such an explosian, I doubt
    he will recognize anything at all.

    MvdV> While it may look the same from a distance, measurements on the spot will
    MvdV> tell the difference. Use a Geiger counter and you will know right away. A
    MvdV> nuclear explosion leaves radio activity, a chemical explosion does not. No
    MvdV> way to obfusciate that.

    Do the survivors glow in the dark?

    --Lee

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Wayne Harris on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
    measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with
    the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?

    Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.

    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Wayne Harris on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Wayne,

    Can't you at least join the rest of the world on the metric ton?

    Because this is America. And in America, we do things different.

    Yeah, well, I guess it's a well kept secret that your archaic
    measurements are defined with the metric system -- rather than with
    the various body-parts of former kings and emperors?

    Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.

    I know where the arm of Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson is buried. Do you?
    I also have visited the childhood home of Pres. Jefferson Davis.
    Now. Can anybody tell me where FDR's dog Fafa is buried? Does anybody
    really care?

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Björn,

    On Sunday August 16 2020 09:01, you wrote to Wayne Harris:

    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what could possibly
    go wrong? Especially with international projects.

    An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds?

    A Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?

    Nah, that only happens in the movies does it?


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    MvdV> Nah, that only happens in the movies does it?

    When reality outperforms fiction.

    Funny thing is, that the USA passed a law (the Metric Conversion Act) already in 1975. Unfortunately the law made it voluntary to convert.

    It worked out exactly as well as a voluntary face mask edict worked for preventing the CoVid from spreading like wildfire in that same, one single country...




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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!

    There is that of course. And you also have more than 60 million educated(?) grown-ups, that still think that the Trump is the best that's happened since sliced bread.

    You truly are a strange breed of people...


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Björn Felten wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    Hey, we have 25% of the COVID-19 cases though! So.. Take that!

    There is that of course. And you also have more than 60
    million educated(?) grown-ups, that still think that the Trump is
    the best that's happened since sliced bread.

    You truly are a strange breed of people...

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    On 17/08/2020 19:07, 1154/30.1 wrote:

     BF>>     You truly are a strange breed of people...

    Probably all that freedumb we have

    ROFL

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    On 18/08/2020 08:00, 1229/426 wrote:

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you
    Euro-commie-sheeple.

    Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.

    Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy tests and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone will agree with you.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    You truly are a strange breed of people...

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.

    Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.

    Yeah, I know, but sometimes..... I can't resist.

    I sometimes get him confused with his sock puppet, the
    Lofaso-troll.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.

    Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy tests and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone will agree with you.

    And if you happen to be infected, just inject bleach, and everything will go away -- just like magic.

    "15 cases, will go to zero. We have it all under control."

    "In April, it'll all go away, like magic." Don't listen to the scientists, listen to me. I'm a Very Stable Genius. But no, I'll NOT show you my grades from school. My five times draught dodging will be enough!

    Yeah, as I said, they really are a strange species over there. I sure as hell (like you I guess) am lucky to have a huge pond between those strange creatures and myself.

    Just imagine what would have happened if a single one of their reporters had made a follow-up story of all the five bankruptcy cases he's been involved with. Would they still elect a president to handle their economy? Yeah, well, maybe. Their gene pool seems to have some dire need of bleach injection...


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wayne Harris on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    Hello Wayne,

    On Monday August 17 2020 17:45, you wrote to me:

    what could possibly go wrong? Especially with international
    projects.

    An airplane running out of fuel and crashing because the captain
    ordered 5000 kg of fuel and the ground crew delivered 5000 pounds? A
    Mars lander crashing because of a mix up of feet and metres?

    Without all due respect, sir, are you serious?

    Björn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are real life examples. Sure I am serious.

    If people might be ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well mistake 5000 for 50000 too.

    Unlike Björn I never had a pilot license myself, but my father had one and I spend many hours in the right seat acting as his informal copilot. I can tell you that while people can always make mistakes, it certainly is not that easy to mistake 5000 kg for 50000 kg of fuel and let the mistake go unnoticed until it is too late...

    To a scientist, whether you use the metric system or the imperial
    system it seems a small detail. To the population, though, it would
    be a major project to go for such a change and I don't actually see
    much benefit.

    People often do not see the benefits until they actually are the situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100 years ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with local measurements and adopting a universal system.

    You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had local measuring systems. We "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet", "Amsterdamse duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced the meter end the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it. I sure see the benfits.

    From a global POV, you guys across are still using local measurements....

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    end up with a table where 4/6 kids are girls, from which we may
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    [..]
    Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story.

    All I can say is that I am glad that half a century ago I decided that teaching was not my thing and I avoided a carreer in education...


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:13
    You truly are a strange breed of people...

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you Euro-commie-sheeple.

    If you belong to the 60+ million USAians who doesn't understand what a blabbering, incompetent fool you've elected as president, it means you are an even bigger fool. Don't you realize that?

    Do you seriously think that any Euro-commie-sheeple king, president or Prime Minister, would kiss and hug Putin and Kim Jong-un while insulting e.g. Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau?

    If so, you truly are a perfect Trumpster. Congratulations. Your name will be passed on through history for sure. Make sure that your kids will remember your contribution to the US democracy!




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:14
    Hello Mike,

    Lol. Seriously, I don't see a big problem there.

    Right. With 4% of the world population using a totally
    different system, incompatible with the universal standard, what
    could possibly go wrong? Especially with international projects.

    I don't think whoever dumped thousands of tons of fertilizer in a
    hole in Beirut over a fifty year period of time was worried about
    what kind of measurement units they were using.

    But... I thought you said it was a nuke?

    Somebody used a nuke to detonate the fertilizer.
    An investigation is being conducted to find out who done it.
    Stay tuned.
    If a body is found, you will be the first to know ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:14
    Hello Björn,

    Without all due respect, sir, are you serious? If people might be
    ordered 5000 kg and deliver 5000 pounds, they might just as well
    mistake 5000 for 50000 too.

    Seriously? A pilot mistaken 5000 for 50000? You don't have a pilot's licence
    I assume? I happen to have one even though it's been expired...

    Me and two ladies were on board a plane with a drunk pilot
    at the helm. An Englishman, not an American. He wasn't drunk
    when he took off, and we all had a very good time. Until we
    realized the pilot was a bit tipsy. I'm not really sure how he
    got hold of a bottle of scotch, or how he managed to land the
    plane in the middle of the night while smashed, but the two
    ladies did work at the club where I was playing, and he did
    invite us all to take a ride on his private flying machine ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:14
    Hello Michiel,

    Now, I don't know what you'll make of this story.

    MvdV> All I can say is that I am glad that half a century ago I decided that
    MvdV> teaching was not my thing and I avoided a carreer in education...

    Been there. Done that. Had loads of fun. The principal was not amused,
    but the children were.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:14
    Hello David,

    That may be true, but..... we think the same thing about you
    Euro-commie-sheeple.

    Bjorn is another fucknut to completely ignore.

    Don't test for diseases and they won't exist. Don't perform pregnancy tests
    and no kids will be born. Ignore dissenting opinions and everyone will agree with you.

    Our "stable genius" has taught you well.

    If only you could convince your Aussie friends, and your Kiwi friends,
    that you know the truth, all will be well.

    --Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wayne Harris on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:14
    Hello Wayne,

    On Wednesday August 19 2020 04:33, you wrote to me:

    Björn asked what could possible go wrong and I gave two examples of
    something actually going wrong. I didn't make that up, these are
    real life examples. Sure I am serious.

    I believe you and concede. However, we could surely argue here that
    it's really not clear the units are the problem. If you work with multiple units, it becomes your job to verify. Still, see below.

    We could argue but...

    o When a plane crashes, there is an investigation.

    o If the investigation shows that the crash was due to it running out of fuel.

    o And the investigation reveals that the captain ordered 5000 kg of fuel.

    o And the investigation shows that 5000 pounds of fuel were loaded.

    o And the investigation shows that the location of the crash is consistant with the plane taking off with 5000 pounds of fuel.

    ... What is there to argue?

    But let's ask this. Must the population change their units because
    pilots might get things wrong? I'd think the pilots should change
    join the standard and let people drink their pint of beer.

    Pilots are not a seperate species genetically isolated from the rest of the world. Neither are anethisists who could mistakenly deliver the patient 5 Gallons of NOx instead of 5 litres.

    Kids who learn about units of measurements today are the next generation pilots, doctors, engineers and cooks 30 yaars from now.

    People often do not see the benefits until they actually are in the
    situation. I sure see the benefits of not having to deal with of
    local measuring systems and I am very glad my predesessors of a 100
    years ago did see it that way too and acted on it by doing away with
    local measurements and adopting a universal system.

    That sounds reasonable. If an American puts himself in your shoes,
    he'd grow up in a culture that's using a universal system. He would perhaps be thankful as you are. If you put yourself in an American's shoes, you'd have grown up in a culture that's using the imperial
    system. Perhaps you'd want to change it! That's very likely to happen because that is happening! Indeed, you wouldn't see the benefits of
    _not_ changing because you're not their situation! :-D (Don't take it personally. I am having fun, but not at your expense. Seriously.)

    Whatver. If I grew up in a situation where I was using a system that was only used by a small minority of the world's population, I would certainly see the benefits of change.

    I was born with a native language only spoken by less than one percent of the worlds population. If I had a choice in the matter, Dutch would not be my native language.

    You know, here in Europe two or three hundred years ago, we had
    local measuring systems. We had "Rijnlandes voet, "Utrechtse voet",
    "Amsterdamse duim". Etc, etc. Napoleon ended that and he introduced
    the meter end the kg. And science, technology and trade accepted it.
    I sure see the benfits.

    That makes perfect sense. Let's take UTF-8 --- if you're the Internet type of person. Nearly everyone in Western countries are using it.
    It makes a lot of things work well.

    Yes, I am an UTF-8 evangalist. I am actively promoting its use in Fidonet.

    I was remarking just the other day that I can never quite understand
    which encoding Björn is using. Sometimes it displays just fine, but
    there are places in Bjorn's own messages that do not.

    See FTS-5003.001

    From a global POV, you guys across are still using local
    measurements....

    You think I'm an American! :-)

    You live on the continent of North America don't you? ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 07:49:14
    What about doctors who administer lethal doses of meds for those who
    are sentenced to death?

    What about living in a country where it's illegal to kill someone -- including using the social monopoly of power? Most countries have such a law, you know...?



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