• Crimea

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Monday, March 28, 2022 17:36:13
    Hello Alexander,

    Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Occupied by Russia at the moment.
    Its people held against their will. Others being stateless. Or
    being held in Russian gulags.

    Nevertheless I would not recommended anybody to make such statements not hearing the real people from Crimea. You can look funny.

    Empty promises. That was what the people in Crimea were sold on when it
    came to joining Russia. Not that they actually had a real choice in the
    matter, having a gun to their head at the time. Which might explain why Crimea's annexation skyrocketed Putin's popularity rating to 88% among Crimeans. Too bad Ukraine and the rest of the world did not recognize
    Russia's new province as part of Russia. Right makes right in the mind
    of Vladimir Putin. And no madman will ever admit to being wrong.

    Crimea has a population of 2.5 million people. After seven years of
    Russian misrule, what could they possibly be upset about? Poor social
    services, dirty water, and high prices for just about everything. To
    name just a few things. But none of that matters when freedom to say
    or criticize the hand that feeds you could mean jail or even death
    for you or members of your own family.

    But hey. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a funny man who is totally
    out of his mind. Better to pay attention to journalists from around the
    world who tell it like it is -

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-economic -costs-of-crimeas-annexation


    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 10:14:32
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 28.03.2022 19:36

    LL> Crimea has a population of 2.5 million people. After seven
    LL> years of Russian misrule, what could they possibly be upset
    LL> about? Poor social services, dirty water, and high prices for
    LL> just about everything. To name just a few things. But none of
    LL> that matters when freedom to say or criticize the hand that
    LL> feeds you could mean jail or even death for you or members of
    LL> your own family. But hey. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a
    LL> funny man who is totally out of his mind. Better to pay
    LL> attention to journalists from around the world who tell it like
    LL> it is -
    LL> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-e
    LL> conomic -costs-of-crimeas-annexation

    Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the Crimea economy and infrastructure. Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after
    getting independence. Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and
    electricity to its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact
    tells us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its citizens. No
    wonder that they don't like this authority. So I ask you listen not to Aljazeera opinion, but, to the people of Crimea themselves. But do
    western reporters have been in Crimea for these 8 years?

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 00:32:36
    Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the Crimea economy and infrastructure.

    Russia has spent billions bombing Ukraine. I don't think Russia did much of anything for Crimea. I have been reading the view of Crimean's (before the war) and they say that nothing has changed in their lives. I'm not sure what Crimeans think now.

    Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after getting independence.

    Crimea never got independence, Crimea was annexed by Russia. Two very different things.

    Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells us how Ukraine authority in Kiev
    is "care" about its citizens. No wonder that they don't like this authority.

    How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

    So I ask you listen not to Aljazeera opinion, but, to the people of Crimea themselves. But do western reporters have been in Crimea for these 8 years?

    If Crimea needs assitance they can ask for it from those willing to help. Reporters can only report, they can't make changes.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 09:21:00
    Hello Alexander,

    Crimea has a population of 2.5 million people. After seven
    years of Russian misrule, what could they possibly be upset
    about? Poor social services, dirty water, and high prices for
    just about everything. To name just a few things. But none of
    that matters when freedom to say or criticize the hand that
    feeds you could mean jail or even death for you or members of
    your own family. But hey. Don't take my word for it. I'm just a
    funny man who is totally out of his mind. Better to pay
    attention to journalists from around the world who tell it like
    it is -
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/21/the-devastating-human-e
    conomic -costs-of-crimeas-annexation

    Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the Crimea economy and infrastructure.

    Yes, it has. As noted in the article cited above.

    Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after getting independence.

    The Ukrainian peninsula known as Crimea is under occupation by
    a foreign power, and has been for some time.

    Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its citizens.

    Yes, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. And Ukraine does care very much
    for its own citizens. Nothing new about that.

    No wonder that they don't like this authority.

    Nobody likes the foreign power that occupies their land.

    So I ask you listen not to Aljazeera opinion, but, to the people of Crimea themselves.

    A reporter's job is to relay the story to the public. Reports are
    often detailed, and always based on factual information.

    But do western reporters have been in Crimea for these 8 years?

    Reporters can only go where they are able to do so. As noted in
    the article cited, on location.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 11:50:25
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 29.03.2022 10:32

    ak>> Yes it is true, Russia has spent billions of dollars to rise the
    ak>> Crimea economy and infrastructure.

    AI> Russia has spent billions bombing Ukraine. I don't think Russia did
    AI> much of anything for Crimea. I have been reading the view of
    AI> Crimean's (before the war) and they say that nothing has changed in
    AI> their lives. I'm not sure what Crimeans think now.

    You should learn facts but not to think them out.

    ak>> Ukraine spent nothing for Crimea after getting independence.

    AI> Crimea never got independence, Crimea was annexed by Russia. Two
    AI> very different things.

    I wrote about the Ukraine independence in 1991 -- wasn't it clear?

    ak>> Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to
    ak>> its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells us how
    ak>> Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its citizens. No wonder
    ak>> that they don't like this authority.

    AI> How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

    You know little about this conflict. In the time of the USSR a special
    water channel to supply fresh water was dug from Dnepr river in Ukraine
    to the Crimea (via the neck which connects Crimea with Ukraine).
    Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014
    Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas, oil
    and electricity.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 10:58:34
    How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

    You know little about this conflict. In the time of the USSR a special water channel to supply fresh water was dug from Dnepr river in Ukraine
    to the Crimea (via the neck which connects Crimea with Ukraine). Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014
    Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas, oil and electricity.

    Of course Russia kept up the supply of gas and electricity, it was a contract which made them money ...

    Getting water to the Crimea seems a challenge ... it's now a Russian problem. They should negotiate a contract/agreement with Ukraine as well. Has Russia done that? No ??

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 13:28:58
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 30.03.2022 11:21

    ak>> Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to
    ak>> its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells
    ak>> us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its
    ak>> citizens.
    LL> Yes, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. And Ukraine does care very
    LL> much for its own citizens. Nothing new about that.

    I put "care" in quotation marks, which means it is a false statement, on
    the verge of the opposite meaning.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexander Koryagin on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 03:30:54
    alexander koryagin wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    AI> Russia has spent billions bombing Ukraine. I don't think Russia did
    AI> much of anything for Crimea. I have been reading the view of
    AI> Crimean's (before the war) and they say that nothing has changed in
    AI> their lives. I'm not sure what Crimeans think now.

    You should learn facts but not to think them out.

    The fact is that Russia has invaded a peaceful sovereign nation.

    AI> Crimea never got independence, Crimea was annexed by Russia. Two
    AI> very different things.

    I wrote about the Ukraine independence in 1991 -- wasn't it clear?

    No, it wasn't. It is clear that Russia annexed Crimea.

    AI> How did Ukraine cut off fresh water from Crimea?

    You know little about this conflict. In the time of the USSR a special water channel to supply fresh water was dug from Dnepr river in Ukraine
    to the Crimea (via the neck which connects Crimea with Ukraine). Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014
    Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas,
    oil and electricity.

    This was in response to Russia's meddling in Crimea.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 15:09:54
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday March 30 2022 13:28, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    I put "care" in quotation marks, which means it is a false statement,
    on the verge of the opposite meaning.

    You mean like Russia "care" about it's own citizens? :)

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 15:11:12
    Hello, alexander!

    Wednesday March 30 2022 11:50, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Ukraine). Electricity until 2014 also was from Ukraine. Note, that
    after 2014 Russia has never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with
    Russian gas, oil and electricity.

    Russia confiscated Ukranian property in Cremea, in fact - stole it.
    Putin is a thief, as we say in Russia: "Putin vor". But now it sounds very much like "Putin war" :(

    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 20:46:40
    Hello Alexander,

    Ukraine indeed has cut off fresh water and electricity to
    its "temporarily occupied citizens" - this only fact tells
    us how Ukraine authority in Kiev is "care" about its
    citizens.
    Yes, Crimea is a part of Ukraine. And Ukraine does care very
    much for its own citizens. Nothing new about that.

    I put "care" in quotation marks, which means it is a false statement, on the verge of the opposite meaning.

    Crimea takes a special kind of care.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, March 31, 2022 09:56:58
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 30.03.2022 11:58

    ak>> You know little about this conflict. In the time of the
    ak>> USSR a special water channel to supply fresh water was dug
    ak>> from Dnepr river in Ukraine to the Crimea (via the neck
    ak>> which connects Crimea with Ukraine). Electricity until 2014
    ak>> also was from Ukraine. Note, that after 2014 Russia has
    ak>> never cut off Ukraine from supplying it with Russian gas,
    ak>> oil and electricity.
    WD> Of course Russia kept up the supply of gas and electricity, it
    WD> was a contract which made them money ... Getting water to the
    WD> Crimea seems a challenge ... it's now a Russian problem. They
    WD> should negotiate a contract/agreement with Ukraine as well. Has Russia
    WD> done that? No ??

    Well, Of course there were negotiations, but you can guess easily the
    Ukraine answer -- "If you say that Crimea is not the part of Ukraine --
    no fresh water and electricity for the people of Crimea".
    Women and children are not very important -- they are Russian women and children.

    Bye, Ward!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, March 31, 2022 11:50:03
    Well, Of course there were negotiations, but you can guess easily the Ukraine answer -- "If you say that Crimea is not the part of Ukraine --
    no fresh water and electricity for the people of Crimea".
    Women and children are not very important -- they are Russian women and children.

    No electricity in Crimea?

    The fidonet nodes did not go off-line because of lacking electricity ... and that's an undisputed fact ...

    Believe what you want ...

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Thursday, March 31, 2022 14:34:28
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 30.03.22 3:30:

    The fact is that Russia has invaded a
    peaceful sovereign nation.

    You know nothing about this "peaceful sovereign" nation. But that's fixable - they've already come to you, you'll have to move over and integrate with them. And it's no longer them with you, but you with them ;) it won't be easy.

    No, it wasn't. It is clear that Russia
    annexed Crimea.

    Being part of Russia is the choice of the Crimeans, and twice - in 1991 and 2014.

    This was in response to Russia's meddling in
    Crimea.

    When Europe begins to divide (and it will) - remember this ;)

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazaroff on Thursday, March 31, 2022 14:02:20
    Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    You know nothing about this "peaceful sovereign" nation. But that's fixable - they've already come to you, you'll have to move over and integrate with them. And it's no longer them with you, but you with
    them ;) it won't be easy.

    You are not making sense.

    No, it wasn't. It is clear that Russia annexed Crimea.

    Being part of Russia is the choice of the Crimeans, and twice - in 1991 and 2014.

    OK, If Crimea wants to be a russian republic they may do so.

    When Europe begins to divide (and it will) - remember this ;)

    OK, Oleg. Thanks for letting me know. ;)


    Ttyl :-),
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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Friday, April 01, 2022 02:23:28
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 31.03.22 14:02:

    You are not making sense.

    It is you who SAY you don't understand. Nazism has already infiltrated Europe, the Bandera's are on their doorstep. This is how they were raised for 30 years.

    OK, If Crimea wants to be a russian republic
    they may do so.

    Crimea made its final choice in 2014 and feels fine. But to "the whole" world (the Western world) it remains an "annexation of Russia" for some reason.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazaroff on Thursday, March 31, 2022 18:57:26
    Oleg Nazaroff wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

    It is you who SAY you don't understand. Nazism has already infiltrated Europe, the Bandera's are on their doorstep. This is how they were
    raised for 30 years.

    That is Russian propaganda. It is baseless.

    Crimea made its final choice in 2014 and feels fine. But to "the whole" world (the Western world) it remains an "annexation of Russia" for some reason.

    Sure, Crimea can decide what path they choose. Not Russia.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Friday, April 01, 2022 09:29:26
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 31.03.2022 12:50

    ak>> Well, Of course there were negotiations, but you can guess
    ak>> easily the Ukraine answer -- "If you say that Crimea is not
    ak>> the part of Ukraine -- no fresh water and electricity for
    ak>> the people of Crimea". Women and children are not very
    ak>> important -- they are Russian women and children.
    WD> No electricity in Crimea?

    After the cutting off electricity, Crimea has a few own weak power
    plants. In some time Russia has laid 4 powerful cable lines across Kerch Strait and the problem was solved.

    WD> The fidonet nodes did not go off-line because of lacking
    WD> electricity ... and that's an undisputed fact ... Believe what
    WD> you want ...


    Bye, Ward!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Oleg Nazaroff on Friday, April 01, 2022 09:47:03
    Hi, Oleg Nazaroff!
    I read your message from 31.03.2022 14:34

    ON> When Europe begins to divide (and it will) - remember this;)

    The UK will cease its existence really soon.

    Bye, Oleg!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Friday, April 01, 2022 08:40:21
    No electricity in Crimea?

    After the cutting off electricity, Crimea has a few own weak power
    plants. In some time Russia has laid 4 powerful cable lines across Kerch Strait and the problem was solved.

    And so they should. Russia wanted Crimea Russian? Then take care of it ... or reach good deals.

    The fidonet nodes did not go off-line because of lacking
    electricity ... and that's an undisputed fact ... Believe what
    you want ...

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Friday, April 01, 2022 00:26:52
    The UK will cease its existence really soon.

    How do you think this will happen?

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to alexander koryagin on Friday, April 01, 2022 13:54:28
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, alexander koryagin.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 01.04.22 9:47:

    When Europe begins to divide (and it will)
    - remember this;)
    The UK will cease its existence really soon.

    Poland used to have to, but they were almost more fruit-stubborn than Bandera. But - slowly they are already beating each other;)

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  • From Oleg Nazaroff@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Friday, April 01, 2022 15:05:08
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 31.03.22 18:57:

    That is Russian propaganda. It is baseless.

    The West traditionally comes across as a giraffe that he did with himself with his own hands. When it comes, it will be too late to drink compote. Russian propaganda does not affect me, I myself am Russian;)

    Sure, Crimea can decide what path they
    choose. Not Russia.

    Russia can. Without Russia, Crimea's decisions could only be about joining the vacuum or separating from Ukraine. Crimea has always been and remains only Russian.


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, April 02, 2022 18:35:13
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 01.04.2022 10:26

    ak>>> The UK will cease its existence really soon.
    AI> How do you think this will happen?

    Separatism? ;-)

    Bye, Alan!
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