• Ukrainian propaganda

    From oleg naZaroV@2:50/700 to All on Saturday, March 19, 2022 04:52:15
    Good day, All.

    For those who do not believe in the existence of Ukrainian Nazism. This is not Russian propaganda. Ukrainian. Nowadays. Live broadcast recording.

    https://t.me/mig41/14938

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to oleg naZaroV on Friday, March 18, 2022 19:25:36
    For those who do not believe in the existence of Ukrainian Nazism. This is not Russian propaganda. Ukrainian. Nowadays. Live broadcast recording.

    There are nazis here in Canada. Not in great numbers but they do exist. There are also nazis in the USA and Russia. Also not in great numbers but they do exist.

    Ukraine is not a nazi state. Did they threaten Russia? No. Did they invade Russia? No. Ukraine is not and never was any kind of threat to Russia.

    Russia did invade Ukraine. It was not a "special military operation", it was an act of war. Russia massed ~200,000 troops on the Ukraine border and then invaded the country.

    Today we are witnessing the results of that invasion of a peaceful sovereign nation.

    You may have a hard time finding friends in Ukraine today.

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  • From oleg naZaroV@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, March 19, 2022 07:16:56
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 18.03.22 19:25:

    For those who do not believe in the
    existence of Ukrainian Nazism. This is not
    Russian propaganda. Ukrainian. Nowadays.
    Live broadcast recording.
    There are nazis here in Canada. Not in great
    numbers but they do exist. There are also
    nazis in the USA and Russia. Also not in
    great numbers but they do exist. Ukraine is
    not a nazi state. Did they threaten Russia?
    No. Did they invade Russia? No. Ukraine is
    not and never was any kind of threat to
    Russia.

    You have already pulled up in every message for half a page to "treat" me that we attacked. Calm down already, we attacked, attacked;)

    Is Nazi paraphernalia banned in Canada? In Russia it is forbidden, in Germany too, in USA - no.

    Do the Nazis conduct their propaganda at the state level? In Russia there is no. Give a daily live broadcast to propagandists of Goebbels' ideas? In Russia there is no.

    Nationwide marches of many thousands with the banners of Nazi Germany, the SS troops, with portraits of Nazi criminals from the time of the 2nd World War - are they carried out? In Russia there is no.

    Nazis declare from the screens of state channels that they will pass through the central streets of the capital of a neighboring state? In Ukraine, yes.

    In Canada, the Nazis bully people with anti-fascist views, brutally torture them, kill them, and all this remains without addiction? In Russia there is no.

    In Montreal, have the Nazis already desecrated and destroyed the monument to Soviet soldiers of the 2nd World Ocean? In Ukraine - yes, on the territory of neighboring Moldova - "refugees" did it.

    Is it forbidden to celebrate Victory Day over Nazi Germany in Canada? No. And not in Russia. And in Ukraine - yes.

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/IMGx2029717_lyqpd813.jpg

    In Germany, such speeches are somehow shocking and condemned: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/10/14/povtorno-travmiruyut-mir-nemcy-shokirovany-fakelnym-shestviem-bundesvera-u-reyhstaga

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to oleg naZaroV on Friday, March 18, 2022 22:41:08
    You have already pulled up in every message for half a page to "treat" me that we attacked. Calm down already, we attacked, attacked;)

    Yes, Russia first invaded and then attacked, and continues that attack.

    Is Nazi paraphernalia banned in Canada?

    Not that I know of but there may be laws on the books that I am aware of.

    There are laws around hate speech that could come into play if taken too far.

    When I am out and about shopping there is no nazi paraphernalia to be found, and I do not wish to see it. I don't think there is a market for such things.

    In Russia it is forbidden, in Germany too, in USA - no.

    We do have freedoms in Canada and the US. You are free to think as you please but not to push it on others. You are also free to speak whatever you want as long as you are not inciting a riot or somesuch.

    Do the Nazis conduct their propaganda at the state level? In Russia there is no. Give a daily live broadcast to propagandists of Goebbels' ideas? In Russia there is no.

    There is no nazi party in Canada but you could start such a thing if you wanted too however, you could not get elected to garbage man running for such a thing here. There is no appatite for it or anything related to naziism.

    Nationwide marches of many thousands with the banners of Nazi Germany, the SS troops, with portraits of Nazi criminals from the time of the 2nd World War - are they carried out? In Russia there is no.

    There is nothing like that happening here.

    Nazis declare from the screens of state channels that they will pass through the central streets of the capital of a neighboring state? In Ukraine, yes.

    Ukraine is not a nazi state.

    In Canada, the Nazis bully people with anti-fascist views, brutally torture them, kill them, and all this remains without addiction? In Russia there is not.

    You will not see anything like that in the streets of Canada, Ukraine or Russia.

    In Montreal, have the Nazis already desecrated and destroyed the monument to Soviet soldiers of the 2nd World Ocean? In Ukraine - yes, on the territory of neighboring Moldova - "refugees" did it.

    I am a long way from Montreal. How, where and when did Ukraine destroy a monument to soviet soldiers?

    Is it forbidden to celebrate Victory Day over Nazi Germany in Canada? No. And not in Russia. And in Ukraine - yes.

    You can celebrate as you please here. How is it forbidden in Ukraine?

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/IMGx2029717_lyqpd813.jpg

    In Germany, such speeches are somehow shocking and condemned: https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/10/14/povtorno-travmiruyut-mir-nem cy-shokirovny-fakelnym-shestviem-bundesvera-u-reyhstaga

    This link gives me an error.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Oleg Nazarov on Saturday, March 19, 2022 01:26:04
    On 03-19-22 04:52, Oleg Nazarov <=-
    spoke to All about Ukrainian propaganda <=-

    For those who do not believe in the existence of Ukrainian
    Nazism. This is not Russian propaganda. Ukrainian.
    Nowadays. Live broadcast recording.

    https://t.me/mig41/14938

    The link leads me to something called telegram, with which I am only
    heard of but am not familiar. What came up was a video of a march of
    perhaps a couple of hundred people described as some sort of SS --- that
    march took place in a town named Riga, which is a town in Latvia.

    I welcome anyone who can understand Russian to produce a transcript for
    all to see.

    I believe that I said this before, but will repeat it for you so that
    perhaps this time it will sink in.

    In a free country, people are free to say things that they could not do
    in Russia -- even things which are dispictable to the majority of the
    people in that country. Such is the way free democracies work. There
    are Nazis in the USA but they are a fringe group with no part in the
    serious discourse of America.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazarov on Friday, March 18, 2022 23:01:46
    In Germany, such speeches are somehow shocking and condemned:
    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/10/14/povtorno-travmiruyut-mir-nemcy-shokirov
    ny-fakelnym-shestviem-bundesvera-u-reyhstaga

    OK, I think I found this page but the translation makes no sense. The translation says (in part)..

    <quote>
    The day before, German soldiers marked 20 years of service in Afghanistan with a ceremony called the zapfenstreich, which is the highest form of military honors in Germany (Zapfenstreich - literally "strike on beer taps"). The details of the action shocked politicians, social activists and people of culture.
    </quote>

    German soldiers marked 20 years of service in Afghanistan? What are you trying to say?

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  • From oleg naZaroV@2:50/700 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, March 19, 2022 15:36:41
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Dale Shipp.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 19.03.22 1:26:

    https://t.me/mig41/14938
    The link leads me to something called
    telegram, with which I am only heard of but
    am not familiar. What came up was a video
    of a march of perhaps a couple of hundred
    people described as some sort of SS --- that
    march took place in a town named Riga, which
    is a town in Latvia.

    Sorry, nope. Almost all previously available social networks in Russia are blocked and few people are now interested in connection with the frank implementation of the policy of Nazism against Russians. Only Telegram has the widest distribution among international ones.

    I believe that I said this before, but will
    repeat it for you so that perhaps this time
    it will sink in.

    We are thinking 8 years.

    In a free country, people are free to say
    things that they could not do in Russia --
    even things which are dispictable to the
    majority of the people in that country.
    Such is the way free democracies work.
    There are Nazis in the USA but they are a
    fringe group with no part in the serious
    discourse of America.

    Free democracy works only for your authorities. Unfortunately for myself, I have known her since the 70s of the last century.


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  • From oleg naZaroV@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, March 19, 2022 15:41:17
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 18.03.22 23:01:

    In Germany, such speeches are somehow
    shocking and condemned:
    https://eadaily.
    com/ru/news/2021/10/14/povtorno-travmiruyut-
    mir-nemcy-shokirov
    ny-fakelnym-shestviem-bundesvera-u-reyhstaga

    OK, I think I found this page but the
    translation makes no sense. The translation
    says (in part)..

    The soldiers of the German Bundeswehr came to this parade in the form and with the standards of the Wehrmacht, the Nazi army of the 2nd World War. This plunged the German inhabitants into shock, despite the "tolerance" they are now instilling. As far as I know, this is not a Russian resource and it has not only Russian language for all articles.

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  • From oleg naZaroV@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, March 19, 2022 15:57:15
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 18.03.22 22:41:

    Is Nazi paraphernalia banned in Canada?
    Not that I know of but there may be laws on
    the books that I am aware of. There are laws
    around hate speech that could come into play
    if taken too far. When I am out and about
    shopping there is no nazi paraphernalia to
    be found, and I do not wish to see it. I
    don't think there is a market for such
    things.

    Probably, it is sewn for the Ukrainian president by special order.

    In Russia it is forbidden, in Germany too,
    in USA - no.
    We do have freedoms in Canada and the US.
    You are free to think as you please but not
    to push it on others. You are also free to
    speak whatever you want as long as you are
    not inciting a riot or somesuch.

    Yes, but in Ukraine this is not the case at all. These are not separate groups, they have long been part of the army in the field.

    Do the Nazis conduct their propaganda at
    the state level? In Russia there is no.
    Give a daily live broadcast to
    propagandists of Goebbels' ideas? In Russia
    there is no.
    There is no nazi party in Canada but you
    could start such a thing if you wanted too
    however, you could not get elected to
    garbage man running for such a thing here.
    There is no appatite for it or anything
    related to naziism.

    Do you see? And we have the same in Russia. But not in Ukraine. This is what it's all about..

    Nationwide marches of many thousands with
    the banners of Nazi Germany, the SS troops,
    with portraits of Nazi criminals from the
    time of the 2nd World War - are they
    carried out? In Russia there is no.
    There is nothing like that happening here.

    But not in Ukraine.

    Nazis declare from the screens of state
    channels that they will pass through the
    central streets of the capital of a
    neighboring state? In Ukraine, yes.
    Ukraine is not a nazi state.

    Twenty-five again... Until you see it with your own eyes, you only believe in your own propaganda;) How many times has it already happened and here it is again. There will be no limit to surprise and indignation. I will find especially for you a live report of Western journalists and the square eyes of their bosses' misunderstanding that this is still "ordinary fascism."

    In Canada, the Nazis bully people with
    anti-fascist views, brutally torture them,
    kill them, and all this remains without
    addiction? In Russia there is not.
    You will not see anything like that in the
    streets of Canada, Ukraine or Russia.

    Sorry, sorry, I saw it.

    In Montreal, have the Nazis already
    desecrated and destroyed the monument to
    Soviet soldiers of the 2nd World Ocean? In
    Ukraine - yes, on the territory of
    neighboring Moldova - "refugees" did it.
    I am a long way from Montreal. How, where
    and when did Ukraine destroy a monument to
    soviet soldiers?

    Throughout Ukraine, the monuments and cemeteries of their own grandfathers, who died in the war against fascism, have been destroyed and desecrated.

    Is it forbidden to celebrate Victory Day
    over Nazi Germany in Canada? No. And not in
    Russia. And in Ukraine - yes.
    You can celebrate as you please here. How is
    it forbidden in Ukraine?

    Ukrainians consider the parade of victory over fascism immoral in relation to their Nazi state. Moreover, they banned the parade in Moscow for their still living veterans of the 2nd World War.

    http://pics.rsh.ru/img/IMGx2029717_lyqpd813.
    jpg In Germany, such speeches are somehow
    shocking and condemned:
    https://eadaily.
    com/ru/news/2021/10/14/povtorno-travmiruyut-
    mir-nem
    cy-shokirovny-fakelnym-shestviem-bundesvera-
    u-reyhstaga
    This link gives me an error.

    It opens in California for me ;) Maybe your hackers are too smart with blocking?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to oleg naZaroV on Saturday, March 19, 2022 14:18:24
    Probably, it is sewn for the Ukrainian president by special order.

    I have not seen the Ukrainian president wearing nazi garb or behaving in a nazi way.

    We do have freedoms in Canada and the US.
    You are free to think as you please but not
    to push it on others. You are also free to
    speak whatever you want as long as you are
    not inciting a riot or somesuch.

    Yes, but in Ukraine this is not the case at all. These are not separate groups they have long been part of the army in the field.

    They are separate. Ukraine is not a nazi state.

    There is no nazi party in Canada but you
    could start such a thing if you wanted too
    however, you could not get elected to
    garbage man running for such a thing here.
    There is no appatite for it or anything
    related to naziism.

    Do you see? And we have the same in Russia. But not in Ukraine. This is what it's all about..

    This is what you want to present for whatever reason.

    Nazis declare from the screens of state
    channels that they will pass through the
    central streets of the capital of a
    neighboring state? In Ukraine, yes.

    It is Russia that is in fact passing through the central streets of the capital of a neighboring state, at least thay are trying to.

    Twenty-five again... Until you see it with your own eyes, you only believe in your own propaganda;)

    This is not Russia or China. The gov't of Canada does not propagandize us.

    How many times has it already happened and here it is again. There will be
    no limit to surprise and indignation. I will find especially for you a live report of Western journalists and the square eyes of their bosses' misunderstanding that this is still "ordinary fascism."

    What is happening in Russia today is fascism. My dictionary says that fascism is..

    1. a political theory advocating an authoritarian
    hierarchical government; -- opposed to democracy and
    liberalism.

    2. an authoritarian system of government under absolute
    control of a single dictator, allowing no political
    opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly
    controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such
    regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly
    nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.

    I think you have a bit of a problem there in Russia.

    You will not see anything like that in the
    streets of Canada, Ukraine or Russia.

    Sorry, sorry, I saw it.

    I don't think it means what you think it means.

    Throughout Ukraine, the monuments and cemeteries of their own grandfathers, who died in the war against fascism, have been destroyed and desecrated.

    In Ukraine the people can build or destroy monuments as they please.

    You can celebrate as you please here. How is
    it forbidden in Ukraine?

    Ukrainians consider the parade of victory over fascism immoral in relation to their Nazi state. Moreover, they banned the parade in Moscow for their still living veterans of the 2nd World War.

    I don't think so.

    This link gives me an error.

    It opens in California for me ;) Maybe your hackers are too smart with blocking?

    I found it. I was using the quoted link that was broken. The link you gave makes no sense.

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  • From oleg naZaroV@2:50/700 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, March 20, 2022 00:39:38
    ä«íα«ú« óαѼÑτ¬á, Alan Ianson.
    éδ »¿ß὿ 19.03.22 14:18:

    They are separate. Ukraine is not a nazi
    state.

    You do not live in Canada, it seems, but on the island of St. Helena. No telecom. As you hammered into your head with the 25th frame, you will repeat it. Looks like even after neo-Nuremberg ;)


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Oleg Nazarov on Saturday, March 19, 2022 15:37:58
    You do not live in Canada, it seems, but on the island of St. Helena. No telecom. As you hammered into your head with the 25th frame, you will repeat it. Looks like even after neo-Nuremberg ;)

    Not that it matters much but I do in fact live in Canada.

    I will repeat the truth when needed.

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  • From Dmitry Protasoff@2:5001/100.1 to oleg naZaroV on Sunday, March 20, 2022 02:14:18
    Hello, oleg!

    Saturday March 19 2022 15:57, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

    Throughout Ukraine, the monuments and cemeteries of their own grandfathers, who died in the war against fascism, have been destroyed
    and desecrated.

    Fake news.

    You can celebrate as you please here. How is
    it forbidden in Ukraine?

    Ukrainians consider the parade of victory over fascism immoral in
    relation to their Nazi state. Moreover, they banned the parade in
    Moscow for their still living veterans of the 2nd World War.

    They never banned it, you are are just a liar.


    Best regards,
    dp.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Sunday, March 20, 2022 09:15:31
    Hello Alan,

    [..]

    What is happening in Russia today is fascism. My dictionary says that fascism is..

    1. a political theory advocating an authoritarian
    hierarchical government; -- opposed to democracy and
    liberalism.

    2. an authoritarian system of government under absolute
    control of a single dictator, allowing no political
    opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly
    controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such
    regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly
    nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.

    I think you have a bit of a problem there in Russia.

    Benito Mussolini wrote the book on fascism. Not just the definition.
    It is an ideology, and would have continued even without Mussolini as
    leader of Italy.

    Nazi Germany was not a fascist state, but a cult of personality,
    centered around Adolf Hitler.

    Putin's Russia is not a fascist state, and far from being a democracy.
    It is more like Pinochet's Chile, a closed society or police state.

    Donald Trump's vision for America is fascism with a smile.

    --Lee

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, March 20, 2022 02:25:02
    2. an authoritarian system of government under absolute
    control of a single dictator, allowing no political
    opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly
    controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such
    regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly
    nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.

    I think you have a bit of a problem there in Russia.

    Putin's Russia is not a fascist state, and far from being a democracy.
    It is more like Pinochet's Chile, a closed society or police state.

    This is only a quick definition from my desktop dictionary but I think Today's Russia has all these attributes. Absolute control of a dictator, forcibly suppressing dissent, controlling industrial and economic activities and strong nationalistic appeal although it is not like Mussolini's Italy. That was something else.

    Donald Trump's vision for America is fascism with a smile.

    Is he the guy who got love letters from the supreme leader?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Oleg Nazarov on Sunday, March 20, 2022 00:25:02
    On 03-19-22 15:36, Oleg Nazarov <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Ukrainian propaganda <=-

    https://t.me/mig41/14938
    The link leads me to something called
    telegram, with which I am only heard of but
    am not familiar. What came up was a video
    of a march of perhaps a couple of hundred
    people described as some sort of SS --- that
    march took place in a town named Riga, which
    is a town in Latvia.

    Sorry, nope. Almost all previously available social networks in Russia
    are blocked and few people are now interested in connection
    with the frank implementation of the policy of Nazism
    against Russians. Only Telegram has the widest distribution
    among international ones.

    ?? I'm not at all sure of what you mean. ??

    I believe that I said this before, but will
    repeat it for you so that perhaps this time
    it will sink in.

    We are thinking 8 years.

    ?? Another response that has nothing to do with what was quoted.

    In a free country, people are free to say
    things that they could not do in Russia --
    even things which are dispictable to the
    majority of the people in that country.
    Such is the way free democracies work.
    There are Nazis in the USA but they are a
    fringe group with no part in the serious
    discourse of America.

    Free democracy works only for your authorities.
    Unfortunately for myself, I have known her since the 70s of
    the last century.

    Free democracy works for the people. I have no idea what you mean by
    that second sentence. In what country do you live?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:58:12
    ?? I'm not at all sure of what you mean. ??

    ?? Another response that has nothing to do with what was quoted.

    Did you miss my call for sanctions. Don't feed the trolls from the Glavset troll factory!


    ..

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to oleg naZaroV on Sunday, March 20, 2022 12:18:55
    Hello oleg!

    19 Mar 22 07:16, you wrote to Alan Ianson:


    Is Nazi paraphernalia banned in Canada? In Russia it is forbidden, in Germany too, in USA - no.

    It's not banned in the USA, because when we go out in public we need to know who we're allowed to punch in the face.


    Regular person, not wearing nazi paraphernalia? Leave them alone

    Some guy has a swastika tattoo, or is wearing a Waffen SS pin, or displaying some other kind of nazi symbols? They get punched in the face.





    Mike


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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Alan Ianson on Saturday, March 19, 2022 10:26:38
    BY: Alan Ianson(1:153/757)


    German soldiers marked 20 years of service in Afghanistan? What are you trying to say?
    Most of the west were there for nearly 20 years.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Matt Munson on Wednesday, March 23, 2022 20:44:36
    German soldiers marked 20 years of service in Afghanistan? What are you
    trying to say?
    Most of the west were there for nearly 20 years.

    Yeah, I don't know what Oleg was trying to say. He was supporting some propaganda, I don't get it.

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