Quoting Dave Drum to Jim Weller <=-

biodegradable, compostable clamshells ... are becoming quite
common here.

fats food joints, the biigest - by a long chalk) offernder(s)
will refuse to geek, having their eyes firmlu on the immediate
bottom line.

And because they watch their bottom line closely they monitor what
the consumer asks for and wants. Which means that they are moving to
recycled goods, recyclable containers and compostable materials, at
least they are in my country.

Here's an example;

Tim Hortons Canada

- 100% Recycled Fibre Napkins
- Recyclable Paper Sandwich Packaging
- No more plastic straws
- Compostable cup liners for paper cups
- Recyclable cup sleeves; no more double cupping
- Offering reusable and returnable cups
- 30% Recycled material cups
- Wooden stir sticks
- 100% Recycled fibre takeaway bags
- Strawless cold beverage lids
- Recyclable hot beverage lids

Also:

- Removed artificial colours, flavours and preservatives
- Added healthier options
- Improvement in supply chain standards: ethically sourced coffee,
eliminating deforestation and improving animal welfare, reducing
energy consumption, water use, greenhouse gas emissions and waste.

A&W Canada have taken similar initiatives, especially in the area of
meat quality and animal welfare. Starbucks and McDonalds have taken
notice and are starting to get on the bandwagon too, because it's
turned out to be good for business.

Cheers

Jim

... Wine has started more love affairs than flowers & chocolates combined.

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JIM WELLER wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

biodegradable, compostable clamshells ... are becoming quite
common here.

fats food joints, the biggest - by a long chalk) offernder(s)
will refuse to geek, having their eyes firmlu on the immediate
bottom line.

And because they watch their bottom line closely they monitor what
the consumer asks for and wants. Which means that they are moving to recycled goods, recyclable containers and compostable materials, at
least they are in my country.

We're seeing a few examples here - but Canuckistan has *always* been
more progressive than the Hew Hess Hay.

Here's an example;

Tim Hortons Canada

- 100% Recycled Fibre Napkins

AFAIK all our fats food napkins are made from absorbent paper - just
like paper towels or bum wipe.

- Recyclable Paper Sandwich Packaging
- No more plastic straws
- Compostable cup liners for paper cups
- Recyclable cup sleeves; no more double cupping
- Offering reusable and returnable cups

Hardee's have been doing this for years (sort of) you buy one of their stoneware coffee mugs for a U$1 upcharge over the regular price for a
cuppa .... and get free refills (in that mug) as long as you have and
bring it with.

- 30% Recycled material cups
- Wooden stir sticks
- 100% Recycled fibre takeaway bags

Very few of our fats food joints use plastic sacks for take-out. Nearly
all standard paper bage. Net necessarily recycled paper but, still, they
are biodegradable and compostable. Not that many do a compost barrel or
pile. But it's something.

- Strawless cold beverage lids
- Recyclable hot beverage lids

Also:

- Removed artificial colours, flavours and preservatives
- Added healthier options
- Improvement in supply chain standards: ethically sourced coffee,
eliminating deforestation and improving animal welfare, reducing
energy consumption, water use, greenhouse gas emissions and waste.

A&W Canada have taken similar initiatives, especially in the area of
meat quality and animal welfare. Starbucks and McDonalds have taken
notice and are starting to get on the bandwagon too, because it's
turned out to be good for business.

As I said above - you lot have always been more progressive. Our business worship at the altar of Mammon.

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Title: Dulce de Mam+|n
Categories: Five, Fruits, Desserts
Yield: 8 servings

4 lb Firm, ripe, papaya; or
- semi-ripe papaya
3 lb Granulated sugar
Water

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5 Cloves
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1 ts Vanilla essence
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1 Stick cinnamon
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Zest of 2 limes
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Zest of 2 oranges

Peel the papaya under cold water and cut in 6 or 8
pieces.

Boil a large amount of water in a pot and immerse the
pieces of papaya for 2 minutes.

Drain the pieces of papaya in a colander and rinse with
cold water.

In a large salad bowl, place the pieces of papaya,
sprinkle with baking soda and cover with cold water. Mix
well.

Let stand for 1 hour.

Drain in a colander and rinse thoroughly with cold
water.

Transfer the content of the salad bowl into a large
heavy bottom nonstick pot.

Cover the pieces of papaya with water, exceeding the
height of the fruit by about 1".

Place the pot on high heat and add half of the sugar.
Mix well.

As soon as the boiling starts, cook for 3 minutes. Lower
the heat and cook over low heat for 3 hours.

Remove and let stand for 8 hours.

Put the pot back on the stove on low heat, add the
remaining sugar and the chosen flavor.

Mix by tilting and moving the pot several times.

Cook on low heat for 1 hour.

Be careful not to stir with utensils while cooking. In
order to stir, just tilt the pot.

Let cool and keep the dulce de mam+|n in glass jars by
collecting them very gently with a large spoon to pour
them into the jars.

Servings: 8 people

Author: Vera Abitbol

RECIPE FROM: https://www.196flavors.com

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Quoting Dave Drum to Jim Weller <=-

you lot have always been more progressive. Our
business worship at the altar of Mammon.

So do ours. Therefore they do listen to what consumers want and as
well, they obey the laws which are drafted by the winning political
party, so once again the general citizenry has some influence.

We would be less likely to have the enabling legislation in place if
the Conservatives had won the last two elections, instead of a
Liberal/New Democratic Party coalition. If you're not familiar with
our third party, the short answer is Bernie Sanders would be in the
NDP if he moved here.

So I point my finger at your complacent general population, more
than your corporations, many of which are active in Canada.
Multinationals are as good as they have to be in the countries they
operate in. The big three diamond miners here are model corporate
citizens here when it comes to the environment and the treatment of
its workers including Indigenous Aboriginal peoples but have an
evil reputation elsewhere.

Speaking of IA peoples, here some additional info on bannock and fry
bread.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Bannock Additions and Variations
Categories: Native, Canadian, Quickbreads, Info
Yield: 1 text file

About Bannock Bread

Every First Nation, band and family has its own variations.

Instead of lard, shortening or butter, use bear grease. - Northern
Wilderness Cookbook by Ken and Jana House, Dawson Creek, BC

Add mashed potatoes and canned milk - Eleanor Creighton

Add fresh blueberries instead of raisins - Shuswap style

Or cranberries - Dene

Drizzle maple syrup over them - Algonquin

Use bacon fat instead of lard - Lindsey Jones

Use half cornmeal - Chippewa

Use duck grease - WalksFarWarriorWoman

Use brown sugar and half whole wheat flour (modern, not
traditional) - Recipes of British Columbia

Add Cheddar cheese and ham, cut into cubes - Faye Castle who
learned this from my Granny Agnes, Chipewyan (Great Slave Lake
Area)

Metis Fried Bannock- no lard or other fat in the dough, shallow pan
fry, turning once. Serve plain or with maple syrup or blueberry
jam.

Add cinnamon, skim milk powder and eggs - Fanny Charlie and Rosalie
Abel Gwitchin, Old Crow, Yukon

Add sage and onion - Chef David Wolfman, Cooking With The Wolfman
show, Aboriginal Peoples Television Network

Make a yeasted version, with out baking power or soda - Saulteaux
Metis style around Selkirk. Manitoba

Compiled by JW

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Cheers

Jim


... Never use no double negatives.

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On 09-24-22 19:15, Jim Weller <=-
spoke to Dave Drum about recycle and compost <=-

Speaking of IA peoples, here some additional info on bannock and fry bread.

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Title: Bannock Additions and Variations
Categories: Native, Canadian, Quickbreads, Info
Yield: 1 text file

Interesting. I have experienced three types of fried bread (which I
believe to be the same or similar to Bannock). One was the Beaver Tail
in Ottawa, where it was topped with a sort of lemon concoction. Another
was at an Powwow event where it was used to make a taco. And the third
was at the Inner Harbor of Baltimore where it was served with all sorts
of sweet or savory topings.

The ones you quoted seemed to vary more in how the raw dough was made
than in the toppings.

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Title: Greek Lentil Soup
Categories: Vegetarian, Lentils, Greek, Soup, D/g
Yield: 6 servings

1 c Red lentils
1 c Brown lentils
6 c Water
3 Knoor Veg. Cubes
1/2 sm Onion, diced
1 Carrot, diced
1 Rib celery, diced
1/8 ts Celery seed
3 tb Dried potato buds*
1 lg Potato, diced
2 tb Olive oil
2 Bay leaves
2 ts Red wine vinegar (Optional)

Mix all ingredients except the vinegar in a soup pot and cook until
the lentils are very soft, about one hour. Stir in vinegar at the
end, and serve.

NOTE: Brought soup to boil, turned down and simmered uncovered 45
min.

If using homemade veg. stock, add salt to taste.

*If thinner soup is desired, omit potato buds, or use lesser amount.
Used 3 quart sauce pan.
Adapted from: Laurel's Kitchen
Typed by Gail & Dale Shipp

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JIM WELLER wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

you lot have always been more progressive. Our
business worship at the altar of Mammon.

So do ours. Therefore they do listen to what consumers want and as
well, they obey the laws which are drafted by the winning political
party, so once again the general citizenry has some influence.

That works here as well .... the problem is getting enough people to
realise that their enlightened self-interest demands *some* action on
their part. Otherwise we might as well be shouting into a void.

We would be less likely to have the enabling legislation in place if
the Conservatives had won the last two elections, instead of a
Liberal/New Democratic Party coalition. If you're not familiar with
our third party, the short answer is Bernie Sanders would be in the
NDP if he moved here.

I'm a fan of Bernie and *most* of his policies (but not all).

So I point my finger at your complacent general population, more

Bingo! Got any ideas on how to motivate them and sshut up the Trump
adherents?

This recipe is taken from a T-shirt that I own and wear. You've seen a
similar shirt as you are on the Kevin mailing list. Bv)=

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Title: Trump Sandwich
Categories: Five, Bread, Meat, Dressings, Vegetables
Yield: 1 sandwich

2 sl Cheap white bread
6 oz Bologna
1/4 c Russian dressing
1 sm Gherkin pickle

Stack the baloney on one slice of bread. Pour the
Russian dressing over the sausage and place the other
slice of bread on top. Serve the sour gherkin on the
side.

Eat the sandwich if your stomach doesn't rebel.

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Quoting Dave Drum to Jim Weller <=-

the problem

Got any ideas

Given the echo rules I can not say negative things about any foreign politicians, just my own.

Since you hate gin, I'll save my martini variations for Shawn.

But on a different riff, a little while ago I was out of whisky to
make Manhattans and out of daiquiri fixings for my rum and I was too
lazy to go out so I started experimenting with dark spiced rum and
sweet red vermouth. I buy The Kraken, a black spiced rum from
Trinidad and Tobago. It's premium priced but also premium quality.

I didn't have high hopes for the outcome but I discovered that 2
parts rum and 1 part vermouth with a teaspoon of cherry whisky and a
squeeze of lime juice is downright tasty. The addtion of ginger ale
converts this short, strong drink into a lovely highball. Now I make
it both ways on purpose as a regular thing. Now I just need to come
up with a snappy name for it. Something with more zing than rum
Manhatttan or Cuban martini.

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Title: Sloppy Joe's Cocktail
Categories: Alcohol, Beverages, Caribbean
Yield: 1 Serving

1 oz Fresh lime juice
1/4 oz Grenadine
1/4 oz Orange Curacao
3/4 oz Light rum
3/4 oz Dry vermouth

Shake in an iced cocktail shaker & strain. Serve in a cocktail
glass.

Recipe by: Jose Abeal Y Otero, Sloppy Joe's Bar, Havana, Cuba, 1933

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This is from the guy who invented the Sloppy Joe sandwich. He
spooned his "ropa vieja" onto buns.

Cheers

Jim


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