Hi Dave,

Clean up would entail removal of all waste--foam drink cup, burger
boxes, and other such trash. Scrounging is digging thru all that mess
to get to the recyclable bottle. (G)

At the time I was doing this (in my youth) there were no styrofoam
cups or burger boxes to be had. Anywhere. Also no aluminium cans.
Bv)=

But there were paper cups and sandwich wrappers. Also, cigarette packs,
candy bar wrappers, etc.

I like to think I'm relatively thrifty. I've never had enough ca$h-on- hand that I ever felt comfortable throwing away assets that could be turned into money thence into food/shelter.

We try not to either. That's why places like ReStore or Goodwill get donations every so often.

Ditto

Title: N.Y.T. Ropa Vieja
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Fruits
Yield: 4 servings

Looks good; I'll have to see how it compares to the recipies for

the RH> same in my Mexican cook books.

Errrrrrrmmmmmm Ropa Vieja is a Cuban thing. Mexicans may have adopted
it, though.

Yes, they have. Similar cultures in a lot of ways, even foods.

This Cuban sandwich is my favourite Jimmy John's order:

Title: Cubano Sandwich
Categories: Breads, Cheese, Pork, Vegetables
Yield: 10 servings

Looks good--I've been to a JJ's once--out in LV, NV when our older
daughter was living there.

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Hi Dave,

There were (and still are) mom and pop type places where you could get
a burger or hot dog, fries and a drink to go. I remember one in a town outside, no indoor seating so I'm sure lots of paper was lost to
breezes that came up out of nowhere.

Eating whilst going down the road was not a "thing" in the 1940s
and/or early '50s. There were drive-in with car-side service by

Probably depended on the family--my parents usually packed a lunch for
travel but we'd stop at a roadside picnic table, weather permitting. If
it wasn't good weather, we'd stay in the car to eat. I know we had to
pick up/stow or dispose of all our trash but there may have been times
when paper flew out of the roadside can before DOT or whoever came
around to empty it.

car-hops and
similar ... Sonic is ann attempted revival of that model. But I fear
it has gone the way of the drive-in movie theater.

Still around in some places but getting as scarce as hen's teeth.

Errrrrrrmmmmmm Ropa Vieja is a Cuban thing. Mexicans may have adopted
it, though.

Yes, they have. Similar cultures in a lot of ways, even foods.

As Weller told me an another post every Spanish speaking political sub division seems to have its own version. I've not seen it on offer at
any of the many authentic Mexican venues around this area.

I've seen it in various places; it's one of my usual orders.

I'm much more likely to get something involving pork, refritoes and
rice. There is a short list (in my area) of Latino venues that offer
pork in
addition to the more usual chicken and beef dishes.

I'll go for a combo plate (whatever with rice and beans) sometimes but
only if what I'm wanting isn't available otherwise. We have several
Mexican places here in town, a couple of them have a location in other
towns as well (not enough to be called a chain) so there's a lot of good
food to choose from. One of my favorites at one place has shrimp, bell
pepper, onion, mushrooms and summer squash with a crema sauce.

This Cuban sandwich is my favourite Jimmy John's order:

Title: Cubano Sandwich
Categories: Breads, Cheese, Pork, Vegetables
Yield: 10 servings

Looks good--I've been to a JJ's once--out in LV, NV when our older daughter was living there.

Jimmy John Liautaud is almost a homie and a real person. His chain is
much nicer (for my $$$) than Subway. There is a JJ's on Wake Forest
Rd. in Raliegh. (and seven other locations).

We've passed it many times, just never stopped in. Fast food out, when we're around home, is usually C-F-A.

If you're in the mood for non-chicken, Jimmy John's is a much better sandwich than Subway.

We will sometimes go to a Subway while travelling; a number of
Pilot/Flying J truck stops have a Subway as part of their stores. It'll
make for a get back on the road fast, without taking the time to make
lunch & do the clean up meal. But, that may be once, if that, in a road
trip of several weeks; we're not trying to "make time/miles" very often.

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Hi Dave,

Eating whilst going down the road was not a "thing" in the 1940s
and/or early '50s. There were drive-in with car-side service by

Probably depended on the family--my parents usually packed a lunch for travel but we'd stop at a roadside picnic table, weather permitting. If
it wasn't good weather, we'd stay in the car to eat. I know we had to
pick up/stow or dispose of all our trash but there may have been times when paper flew out of the roadside can before DOT or whoever came
around to empty it.

The thing is - paper, even the waxed paper beverage cups, is/was bio- degradable. While unsightly it would merge back into the earth. Modern

Over time, yes, but still takes weeks, if not months.

plastics and plasticised wrappers have made litter a MUCH bigger issue than it used to was.

And, it seems, people don't care as much about cleaning up after
themselves as they used to. I remember seeing signs put up by DOT
advising a $50. fine for littering. That would barely faze a lot of
people now' keeping up with inflation rates, maybe a $500. fine would be
more of a deterant. Main problem tho, is catching the litterbug in
action.

car-hops and
similar ... Sonic is an attempted revival of that model. But I fear
it has gone the way of the drive-in movie theater.

Still around in some places but getting as scarce as hen's teeth.

We have a drive-in movie (twin screens) theatre attached to Knight's Action Park. And there is one about 50 miles south near Litchfield, IL https://litchfieldskyview.com/

I think there's one in Henderson, about 40 miles north of us, but
usually not worth the drive.

But even the indoor theatres are getting scarce, done in by Netflix, Peacock and other streaming services. Two of our "Cinneplex"
multi-screen locations are now being used as indoor marijuana
cultivation facilities.

Nearest multiplex to us is about 5 miles away in North Raleigh. Last
time we saw a movie there was about 2010. Streaming services on our
tv--none. Computers, books, radios, sewing machines--many multiples. (G)

I'm much more likely to get something involving pork, refritoes and
rice. There is a short list (in my area) of Latino venues that offer
pork in addition to the more usual chicken and beef dishes.

I'll go for a combo plate (whatever with rice and beans) sometimes but only if what I'm wanting isn't available otherwise. We have several Mexican places here in town, a couple of them have a location in other towns as well (not enough to be called a chain) so there's a lot of
good food to choose from. One of my favorites at one place has shrimp, bell pepper, onion, mushrooms and summer squash with a crema sauce.

I *always* get a combo plate (and never the seemingly ubiquitous
"Speedy Gonzales" offering. Tacos are for snatch & grabbits like Taco Bell, et al

About the only time I have a taco is a rare visit to TB. OTOH, taco
salad may be a choice at one of our local Mexican places. Found a black
bean tortilla chip at Wegman's so we get them instead of corn chips.

This Cuban sandwich is my favourite Jimmy John's order:

We will sometimes go to a Subway while travelling; a number of Pilot/Flying J truck stops have a Subway as part of their stores. It'll make for a get back on the road fast, without taking the time to make lunch & do the clean up meal. But, that may be once, if that, in a road trip of several weeks; we're not trying to "make time/miles" very
often.

Subway is ..... OK. But, I figure, why settle for OK when you can have AMAZING! (or close to it) Bv)=

Got to go with what's available, don't see as many JJ's on roadside
listimgs.

There is another sub sandwich outfit here called "Monty's" and it's
even better than Jimmy John's. But it's just a local mini-chain.

Sigh!

The one I really miss is Bellacino's which folded its tent locally and scrammed .... it was a bargaining chip in an acrimonious divorce. And nothing in that location since has made a go of whatever they were peddling - so there may be a witches curse attached. If you are on the road and see a Bellacino's at/near meal time I recommend them most heartily. https://locations.bellacinos.com/ They called their subs "grinders".

OK, something to look for.

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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

Eating whilst going down the road was not a "thing" in the 1940s
and/or early '50s. There were drive-in with car-side service by

Probably depended on the family--my parents usually packed a lunch for travel but we'd stop at a roadside picnic table, weather permitting. If
it wasn't good weather, we'd stay in the car to eat. I know we had to
pick up/stow or dispose of all our trash but there may have been times when paper flew out of the roadside can before DOT or whoever came
around to empty it.

The thing is - paper, even the waxed paper beverage cups, is/was bio- degradable. While unsightly it would merge back into the earth. Modern

Over time, yes, but still takes weeks, if not months.

plastics and plasticised wrappers have made litter a MUCH bigger issue than it used to was.

And, it seems, people don't care as much about cleaning up after themselves as they used to. I remember seeing signs put up by DOT
advising a $50. fine for littering. That would barely faze a lot of
people now' keeping up with inflation rates, maybe a $500. fine would
be more of a deterant. Main problem tho, is catching the litterbug in action.

My point was that most of the plastics in use today are "eternal" and
stashing them out-of-sight in landfills does NOT solve that problem.

But, it's a matter of convenience (and PROFIT$) so I don't expect any
concerted effort to fix the problem(s).

https://tinyurl.com/3yau6ss9 AND https://tinyurl.com/2juansvf

My favourite plastic:

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Dark Chocolate Plastic
Categories: Five, Chocolate, Candy
Yield: 1 Pound

1 lb Semi-sweet chocolate *
2/3 c Light (Karo) corn syrup

Fine chop chocolate and place in a clean, dry bowl.

Place bowl over a pan of water that has been brought to a
boil and removed from heat. Stir the chocolate to melt
evenly. Remove bowl from pan of water, making sure no
water gets into the chocolate and stir to cool slightly.

Stir the corn syrup in thoroughly and scrape the paste
from the bowl. Allow the paste to cool and harden. Squeeze
fat from the plastic on paper towels before kneading.
Knead until smooth and pliable. It takes a while.

Makes one pound

* To make milk or use a pound of milk chocolate and just
a half cup of Karo. Otherwise it is done the same as the
dark chocolate, but is not as stiff.

Recipe by Patsy Lafarge

From: http://www.recipelink.com

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Hi Dave,

plastics and plasticised wrappers have made litter a MUCH bigger issue than it used to was.

And, it seems, people don't care as much about cleaning up after themselves as they used to. I remember seeing signs put up by DOT
advising a $50. fine for littering. That would barely faze a lot of
people now' keeping up with inflation rates, maybe a $500. fine would
be more of a deterant. Main problem tho, is catching the litterbug in action.

My point was that most of the plastics in use today are "eternal" and stashing them out-of-sight in landfills does NOT solve that problem.

But, it's a matter of convenience (and PROFIT$) so I don't expect any concerted effort to fix the problem(s).

Until something is developed that will break down in a reasonable time
frame, not damage the environment, etc, it's a problem we'll have to
deal with, like it or not.

My favourite plastic:

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Dark Chocolate Plastic
Categories: Five, Chocolate, Candy
Yield: 1 Pound

1 lb Semi-sweet chocolate *
2/3 c Light (Karo) corn syrup

Looks like it could be used for cake decorating, something I've not done
in some years.


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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

plastics and plasticised wrappers have made litter a MUCH bigger
issue than it used to was.

And, it seems, people don't care as much about cleaning up after themselves as they used to. I remember seeing signs put up by DOT
advising a $50. fine for littering. That would barely faze a lot of
people now' keeping up with inflation rates, maybe a $500. fine would
be more of a deterant. Main problem tho, is catching the litterbug in action.

My point was that most of the plastics in use today are "eternal" and stashing them out-of-sight in landfills does NOT solve that problem.

But, it's a matter of convenience (and PROFIT$) so I don't expect any concerted effort to fix the problem(s).

Until something is developed that will break down in a reasonable time frame, not damage the environment, etc, it's a problem we'll have to
deal with, like it or not.

Errrrrmmmmm .... look in the rear-vision mirror. We used to have paper
bags, paper straws, cardboard or chipboard boxes, etc. We need go back,
not forward.

On of my regular breakfast/lunch spots (Brunchfield Cafe) uses a paper
based clamshell "go box" that I thought was styrofoam when I first met
it. It seems to be paper mache' or something very like it. Kudos to Chef/
Owner Howard Seidel. https://brunchfield.com

My favourite plastic:

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Dark Chocolate Plastic
Categories: Five, Chocolate, Candy
Yield: 1 Pound

1 lb Semi-sweet chocolate *
2/3 c Light (Karo) corn syrup

Looks like it could be used for cake decorating, something I've not
done in some years.

It probably would work well for that purpose.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Retro Tuna Tartare w/Avocado & Sesame
Categories: Seafood, Vegetables, Fruits
Yield: 4 servings

3/4 lb Sushi-grade tuna; trimmed of
- skin and dark meat
1 tb Mirin
1 tb Soy sauce
1 ts Sesame oil; more for
- drizzling
1/4 ts Prepared wasabi paste (opt)
1 ts Sesame seeds; + more for
- sprinkling
1 Avocado; peeled, pitted, in
- 1/4" cubes
1 ts Extra-virgin olive oil
2 ts Rice or champagne vinegar
Salt & fresh ground pepper
Scallion ribbons; garnish
Potato chips

Wrap the tuna tightly in plastic wrap, then freeze it
until firm but not solid, 20-40 minutes, depending on
the thickness of the steak(s).

In a medium bowl, whisk together the mirin, soy sauce,
sesame oil, and wasabi paste (if using).

Unwrap the tuna. and, using a very sharp knife, cut it
in 1/4" cubes. Transfer to the bowl with the mirin
mixture, then add the sesame seeds and turn to coat; set
aside.

In a small bowl, gently toss together the avocado, olive
oil, vinegar, and salt and black pepper to taste.

Stand a 3" round biscuit cutter in the center of a small
plate. Fill with one fourth of the avocado mixture, then
top with one fourth of the tuna mixture, pressing gently
after each addition. Lift off the mold. Repeat with the
remaining avocado and tartare. Drizzle each serving with
sesame oil, then sprinkle with sesame seeds and top with
the scallions. Serve immediately, with potato chips for
scooping.

BY: Kat Craddock

RECIPE FROM: https://www.saveur.com

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Hi Dave,

My point was that most of the plastics in use today are "eternal" and stashing them out-of-sight in landfills does NOT solve that problem.

But, it's a matter of convenience (and PROFIT$) so I don't expect any concerted effort to fix the problem(s).

Seems to be the usual situation these days.

Until something is developed that will break down in a reasonable time frame, not damage the environment, etc, it's a problem we'll have to
deal with, like it or not.

Errrrrmmmmm .... look in the rear-vision mirror. We used to have paper bags, paper straws, cardboard or chipboard boxes, etc. We need go
back, not forward.

Either that, or put it all on a plate if you're eating in. No need to
wrap burger and fries separatly.

On of my regular breakfast/lunch spots (Brunchfield Cafe) uses a paper based clamshell "go box" that I thought was styrofoam when I first met
it. It seems to be paper mache' or something very like it. Kudos to
Chef/ Owner Howard Seidel. https://brunchfield.com

There is a corn based (form of corn starch) styrofoam now that breaks
down fairly rapidly as I understand. If I remember reading rightly, it's
a lot more environmentally friendly than even paper in its break down.

My favourite plastic:

Title: Dark Chocolate Plastic
Categories: Five, Chocolate, Candy
Yield: 1 Pound

1 lb Semi-sweet chocolate *
2/3 c Light (Karo) corn syrup

Looks like it could be used for cake decorating, something I've not
done in some years.

It probably would work well for that purpose.

I'll have to wait a bit longer before doing any tho--it's very hard on
the wrists and hands. My right hand is now ok for light typing but not squeezing an icing bag yet.

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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

Hi Dave,

My point was that most of the plastics in use today are "eternal" and stashing them out-of-sight in landfills does NOT solve that problem.

But, it's a matter of convenience (and PROFIT$) so I don't expect any concerted effort to fix the problem(s).

Seems to be the usual situation these days.

Until something is developed that will break down in a reasonable time frame, not damage the environment, etc, it's a problem we'll have to
deal with, like it or not.

Errrrrmmmmm .... look in the rear-vision mirror. We used to have paper bags, paper straws, cardboard or chipboard boxes, etc. We need go
back, not forward.

Either that, or put it all on a plate if you're eating in. No need to
wrap burger and fries separatly.

Fats Food joints (the biggest offenmder) do not offer plates nor silver
ware. Styro boxes and plastic sporks and knives - at best.

On of my regular breakfast/lunch spots (Brunchfield Cafe) uses a paper based clamshell "go box" that I thought was styrofoam when I first met
it. It seems to be paper mache' or something very like it. Kudos to
Chef/ Owner Howard Seidel. https://brunchfield.com

There is a corn based (form of corn starch) styrofoam now that breaks
down fairly rapidly as I understand. If I remember reading rightly,
it's a lot more environmentally friendly than even paper in its break down.

have a bag of biodegradable packing peanuts in the corner of the room.
They're left over from when I shipped one of my surplus confusers to
our esteemed moderator.

Rosh Hashanah begins on 25 September. Happy New Year!

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Gefilte Fish
Categories: Seafood, Nuts, Vegetables
Yield: 16 Servings

1 md Onion; coarse chopped
2 tb Margarine *
1 lb Carp filet
1 lb Whitefish
Salt & white pepper
4 lg Eggs
1 1/2 c Fine ground blanched almonds
12 c Strained fish bouillon (TIP)

* if not keeping Kosher use butter - UDD

Saute the onion in margarine until soft. Combine with
the carp and whitefish and chop finely with steel blade
in a food processor (or chop by hand). Season mixture
with salt and pepper.

Add eggs and mix well to blend. Blend in almonds.

With wet hands shape the fish mixture into ovals, using
two tablespoons for each.

Place the ovals in lightly boiling fish bouillon, cover
and cook at a slow boil for about 30 minutes. Remove
fish balls from bouillon and arrange on serving dish.
Strain the bouillon through a fine strainer over the
fish and refrigerate. The bouillon will jell.

To serve, arrange a piece or two of cooked carrot slices
on each piece of gefilte fish, decorate with parsley and
serve red horseradish on the side.

TIP: Using a standard recipe for making fish bouillon,
season with carrots, tomato, zucchini, onions, celery,
parsley, bay leaf and leek.

Written by: Marian Burros

Yields - About 16 pieces

RECIPE FROM: http://cooking.nytimes.com/

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Hi Dave,

Errrrrmmmmm .... look in the rear-vision mirror. We used to have paper bags, paper straws, cardboard or chipboard boxes, etc. We need go
back, not forward.

Either that, or put it all on a plate if you're eating in. No need to
wrap burger and fries separatly.

Fats Food joints (the biggest offenmder) do not offer plates nor
silver ware. Styro boxes and plastic sporks and knives - at best.

I know, it's a thought but will probably never happen.

On of my regular breakfast/lunch spots (Brunchfield Cafe) uses a paper based clamshell "go box" that I thought was styrofoam when I first met
it. It seems to be paper mache' or something very like it. Kudos to
Chef/ Owner Howard Seidel. https://brunchfield.com

There is a corn based (form of corn starch) styrofoam now that breaks
down fairly rapidly as I understand. If I remember reading rightly,
it's a lot more environmentally friendly than even paper in its break down.

have a bag of biodegradable packing peanuts in the corner of the
room. They're left over from when I shipped one of my surplus
confusers to
our esteemed moderator.

We tend to accumulate those--and bubble wrap, then purge the supply
every so often. Packing pillows are usually popped (G), then the plastic
goes into the trash can.

Rosh Hashanah begins on 25 September. Happy New Year!

Mazel tov!

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