Hi Shawn,

Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started

Andrea is like this. I even have recipes printed and pretend to use
them when I make something I've made a 100 times just so she'll eat
it. "I don't like when you change recipes, make them correctly."
(Hope she doens't see this) As long as a printed recipe is handy she
will eat it. ;)

I'll use a printed recipe for guidance the first time I'll make
something, unless it's a cake or similar. Those, I'll stay fairly close
to the original (some tweaking from time to time) as they're more
sensitive to changes. Other times I'll keep the recipe handy aas a
reference for key ingredients--make sure I don't leave anything major
out--and quite often, I'll wing it, especially if I've made it a
gazillion times before.

Something funny--shortly after we got married, the comic strip "Blondie"
showed Dagwood in the kitchen, mixing something. He reads the recipe and
sees that it calls for 2 teaspoons of water. Blondie is in the living
room so he yells in "is that heaping or level?". When we first got
married and Steve tried his hand at cooking some things (more so,
baking) he'd read the recipe, then ask me what had to be level or what
could be heaping. I showed him the comic and for a long time, he'd see
an ingredient and just ask "is it heaping or level?".

---
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Hi Dave,

Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce, raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other

Nearly every cook puts a personal "spin" on a recipe. My good friend
Joe DeFrates once told me "You can make my recipe but you can't make
my chilli"

When I asked him "Whassup with that?" He explained that everyone
tastes and "adjusts" as they and wander off the straight and narrow.

Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as
written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started
cooking as my dad insisted on the basics. As time went on, I tinkered
more and more with them, still somewhat trying to cater to his tastes
but seeing what I could "get away with". Some years back, before he
went into the nursing home, we were up visiting and he asked me to make
a meat loaf for supper. I did, putting in some sauteed onion, which I do
when making it at home. He ate--and enjoyed--it; I never did tell him
about the onion because he had declared a few days earlier that he
didn't like onions. I'd put them in other things that I made when we
visited or he came to visit us; he ate them without complaint.

I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We
have a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems

to DD> be falling off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of
really DD> good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good
Greek DD> venue.

But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

If they grew up with Italian food at all. Chef Boyardee
notwithstanding.

I didn't grow up with Chef Boyardee Italian, just my mom's poor version
of it. There was one local-ish Italian place my folks took us to
occaisionally, I remember one time we all ordered lasagne. It came out,
looking nothing like what my mom made but tasted good. Years later,
after meeting Steve, I found out that was the more authentic Italian
lasagne. I've made it myself over the years--taught my mom how to do it
but don't know if she ever did before the dememtia set in.

O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on

the DD> profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The Middle".

I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best
Italian food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to
"My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

I'd probably have answered "my mother in law's kitchen" followed by "my kitchen", then depends on where we were living. We've encountered some
places that cook like Steve's mom used to (chef coming from the same
region of Italy as her family) but a lot more "nice try, but..." places.

That being said:

Title: Olive Garden Chicken Gnocchi Soup
Categories: Poultry, Pasta, Vegetables, Herbs
Yield: 8 servings

Steve tried it the last time we went to OG and was less than impressed
with it.

---
Catch you later,
Ruth
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Quoting Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum <=-

Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started

Andrea is like this. I even have recipes printed and pretend to use them
when I make something I've made a 100 times just so she'll eat it. "I don't like when you change recipes, make them correctly." (Hope she doens't see this) As long as a printed recipe is handy she will eat it. ;)

Shawn

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Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

sensitive to changes. Other times I'll keep the recipe handy aas a reference for key ingredients--make sure I don't leave anything major out--and quite often, I'll wing it, especially if I've made it a
gazillion times before.

This is pretty much what I do. But don't tell Andrea. :)

recipe and sees that it calls for 2 teaspoons of water. Blondie is in
the living room so he yells in "is that heaping or level?". When we

LOL.

what could be heaping. I showed him the comic and for a long time, he'd see an ingredient and just ask "is it heaping or level?".

My daughter will call and ask me from time to time "Did you measure this?"
when she reads my recipes because when I write them down mostly I just
guess at what I threw in. LOL Drives her crazy because she can't get things
to taste exactly like mine. (Which is how I keep my POWER!!!!!!)

Shawn

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Hi Shawn,

sensitive to changes. Other times I'll keep the recipe handy aas a reference for key ingredients--make sure I don't leave anything major out--and quite often, I'll wing it, especially if I've made it a
gazillion times before.

This is pretty much what I do. But don't tell Andrea. :)

I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

recipe and sees that it calls for 2 teaspoons of water. Blondie is

in RH> the living room so he yells in "is that heaping or level?". When
we

LOL.

what could be heaping. I showed him the comic and for a long time, he'd see an ingredient and just ask "is it heaping or level?".

My daughter will call and ask me from time to time "Did you measure
this?" when she reads my recipes because when I write them down mostly
I just
guess at what I threw in. LOL Drives her crazy because she can't get things to taste exactly like mine. (Which is how I keep my
POWER!!!!!!)

When she first got married, our older daughter called me quite often to
get recipies so I'd dictate, with tweaks, to her. Now I'll take a
picture, text it to her but note if there's anything I do different from
how it's printed. (I think some of the calls were more just to talk;
she'd moved to an area where the only one she initally knew was her
husband.)

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Catch you later,
Ruth
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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)

It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the

Easiest way yo get to Toronto from N.S. would be to drop back into the States and point west on I-90 to Buffalo, NY then tip it north to
Toronto.

We have family in western NY so it would be an easy trip from there. Another possibility would be in conjunction with our mission trips to
VT, but then, we usually stop in NY as part of those.

I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in

We've towed on all kinds of roads so it wouldn't be a problem. As long
as the GPS is accurate and traffic is flowing well, cities are not a problem. Last year we went thru Austin on a Saturday afternoon--lots
more traffic and construction than we'd anticipated but the GPS was accurate and we got thru without incident.

How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?

Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
the daughters is near.

Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with traffic.
But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.

Depends on what other plans we have. This year there's no graduations
or weddings, other trips are spaced so that we're not going any further west than Ohio. Have to plan the western trips well in advance since
we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.

Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/
plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry groceries
at really good price points) overall.

For groceries locally I prefer Hy-Vee for staples, Humphrey's for meat
and store-bought produce. With Hy-Vee I can order staple items, have their minions pick the and bag order and put it in my car - if I buy a U$25 or
more order. And we know that's not hard to do in today's economy.

... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.

True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's
vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Stuffed Red Peppers
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Rice, Herbs, Cheese
Yield: 6 Servings

6 md Red bell peppers
1 lb Ground round
1/2 White onion; diced
2 cl Garlic; minced
1/2 c Diced bell pepper; from the
- tops you removed
1/2 c Shredded carrots
1/4 c Dry quick barley
1/2 c Dry instant brown rice
1 c Vegetable broth
1 c Shredded mozzarella; divided

Set oven @ 250oF/120oC.

Cut tops off peppers; remove seeds and membranes. Place
peppers in a large pot; cover with salted water. Bring
to a boil; reduce heat, cover and simmer for 5 minutes.
Drain peppers and set aside.

In a large skillet, brown beef w/diced onion & garlic.

Stir in bell pepper, carrots, barley, rice and broth.
Simmer, covered, for 10 to 15 minutes.

Stir in 1/2 cup cheese.

Fill each bell pepper with beef mixture. Top each with
remaining cheese and bake for 25 minutes.

Source: Hy-Vee weekly ad from the week of March 6, 2013.

RECIPE FROM: http://www.hy-vee.com

Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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Hi Dave,

I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in

We've towed on all kinds of roads so it wouldn't be a problem. As long
as the GPS is accurate and traffic is flowing well, cities are not a problem. Last year we went thru Austin on a Saturday afternoon--lots
more traffic and construction than we'd anticipated but the GPS was accurate and we got thru without incident.

How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?

Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our
first one in late 2006/early 2007 (in GA, after coming back from HI).
It's a lot easier to plug a destination into the box and let it do the calculating than to do it yourself, especially on our cross country
trips.

Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
the daughters is near.

Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with
traffic. But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.

Which, depending on the time of day, day of the week, may/may not be too
bad. Coming thru Atlanta on I-85 is usually no picnic but several years
ago we went thru it around 8pm on a week night. All the back ups,
traffic jams, etc were gone so going thru, even towing, was not a
problem.

we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.

Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/ plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry
groceries at really good price points) overall.

We've got both the supermarket and the hardware/lumber chain here in WF.
Used to, when we first moved here, we shopped the supermarket quite a
bit as it was convenient to where we lived.

For groceries locally I prefer Hy-Vee for staples, Humphrey's for meat
and store-bought produce. With Hy-Vee I can order staple items, have
their minions pick the and bag order and put it in my car - if I buy a U$25 or more order. And we know that's not hard to do in today's
economy.

Most all of the stores around here do that but we still do our own
shopping and furnish the bags for baggers. Or, we'll take them out to
the truck in the buggy and bag them ourselves if we've not grabbed the
bags on the way in. Most of our shopping is done at Wegman's, for
convenience, value, etc. Food Lion had a special on London broil so we
went there so Steve could get some to make jerky--that's where I had the
fall. The back is doing much better now, still have some "nice" bruises
but getting around a lot better.

... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.

True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....

Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with names.
We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but
got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in
2007.


---
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Ruth
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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?

Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our
first one in late 2006/early 2007 (in GA, after coming back from HI).
It's a lot easier to plug a destination into the box and let it do the calculating than to do it yourself, especially on our cross country
trips.

Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip
planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a printed accompaniment listing "recommended fuel, food, and hotel/motel" stops.

Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
the daughters is near.

Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with
traffic. But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.

Which, depending on the time of day, day of the week, may/may not be
too bad. Coming thru Atlanta on I-85 is usually no picnic but several years ago we went thru it around 8pm on a week night. All the back ups, traffic jams, etc were gone so going thru, even towing, was not a
problem.

Atlanta has a law disallowing semi tractor/tarialer rigs from going thru
the middle of Hot Lanta. I had a set of phony bills of lading once (in
case I got pulled over) and went right through. I figured it saved my
more than an hour of travel time. OTOH in Chicago, Cincinatti and Imdy
it's easier and quicker to use the ring roads and go around.

we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.

Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/ plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry
groceries at really good price points) overall.

We've got both the supermarket and the hardware/lumber chain here in
WF. Used to, when we first moved here, we shopped the supermarket quite
a bit as it was convenient to where we lived.

They (hardware and groceries) originated in North Wilkesboro - home of
NASCAR racing. Lowe's Hoe Improvement is currently head-quartered a bit
further south in Mooresville, another city with a rich NASCAR history .

I've picked up loads of hardware at the N. Wilkes warehouse back when
it was also the "home office".

For groceries locally I prefer Hy-Vee for staples, Humphrey's for meat
and store-bought produce. With Hy-Vee I can order staple items, have
their minions pick the and bag order and put it in my car - if I buy a U$25 or more order. And we know that's not hard to do in today's
economy.

Most all of the stores around here do that but we still do our own shopping and furnish the bags for baggers. Or, we'll take them out to
the truck in the buggy and bag them ourselves if we've not grabbed the bags on the way in. Most of our shopping is done at Wegman's, for convenience, value, etc. Food Lion had a special on London broil so we went there so Steve could get some to make jerky--that's where I had
the fall. The back is doing much better now, still have some "nice" bruises but getting around a lot better.

Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items from
their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli still
reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying. The other
major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have yet to try
them out.

... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.

True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....

Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.

IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell
off of her twig.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Beef Teriyaki & Rice
Categories: Oriental, Beef, Vegetables, Wine
Yield: 2 Servings

3 tb Soy sauce
1 tb Dry sherry
2 ts Brown sugar
1 1/4 ts Garlic powder
1 ts Ground ginger
3/4 lb Flank steak strips
1 tb Oil
3 c Bite size vegetables *
1 c Beef broth
4 ts Cornstarch
Water to thin sauce at need

* Three cups of veggies - suggest slant cut carrots, green
onions, green or red pepper chunks, a few pea pods if you
have them.

Mix soy sauce, sherry, brown sugar and seasonings. Add beef
or chicken. Let stand 10 minutes to marinate.

Stir fry meat in hot oil in wok until browned, remove. Add
vegetables. Stir fry until tender crisp. Mix broth and
cornstarch, add to wok. Bring to boil, boil 1 minute.
Replace meat to wok to coat.

Serve over rice.

== Courtesy of Dale & Gail Shipp, Columbia Md. ==

Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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Hi Dave,

How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?

Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our

Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a
printed accompaniment listing "recommended fuel, food, and
hotel/motel" stops.

We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as
anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally map
book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the vehicle
for those "just in case" (and have had them a few times) situations.
Helps to know where an unknown exit will take you if you're caught on a
rolling parking lot.

Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West
Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with
traffic. But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.

Which, depending on the time of day, day of the week, may/may not be
too bad. Coming thru Atlanta on I-85 is usually no picnic but several years ago we went thru it around 8pm on a week night. All the back ups, traffic jams, etc were gone so going thru, even towing, was not a
problem.

Atlanta has a law disallowing semi tractor/tarialer rigs from going
thru the middle of Hot Lanta. I had a set of phony bills of lading
once (in
case I got pulled over) and went right through. I figured it saved my
more than an hour of travel time. OTOH in Chicago, Cincinatti and Imdy it's easier and quicker to use the ring roads and go around.

We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up,
especially when we're towing, to help Steve.

we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.

Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/ plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry
groceries at really good price points) overall.

We've got both the supermarket and the hardware/lumber chain here in
WF. Used to, when we first moved here, we shopped the supermarket quite
a bit as it was convenient to where we lived.

They (hardware and groceries) originated in North Wilkesboro - home of NASCAR racing. Lowe's Hoe Improvement is currently head-quartered a
bit further south in Mooresville, another city with a rich NASCAR
history .

The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
section; when we first moved to WF, they were clearing out a lot of
their Indian foods. We got quite a few over time, once as we were
checking out, had a young lady from India as our cashier. She commented
that her father really liked the brand Lowe's was getting rid of and we
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)

Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still
reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying. The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have yet to try
them out.

Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.

... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.

True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....

Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.

IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.

Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted
the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........

---
Catch you later,
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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?

Road maps and atlas books. The GPS is much easier to use--we got our

Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a
printed accompaniment listing "recommended fuel, food, and
hotel/motel" stops.

We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally
map book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the vehicle for those "just in case" (and have had them a few times) situations. Helps to know where an unknown exit will take you if you're caught on a rolling parking lot.

I never used the AAA service. But my parents did a time or three. They
got back a three-inch tall by seven or eight inch wild book of strip maps
with the AAA suggested routes highlighted. Also regukar 8 1/2" X 11 pages
with recommended restaurants, motels and roadside attractions.

I was always about the "adventure" and "exploring" on my own. Altho I
did carry the big R-McN Atlas in my semi's cab. But, that was business,
not adventure .... or at least not intentional adventure. Bv)=

Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice

8<----- CUT ----->8

We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.

You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I mislike
"back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst it's ever been
my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once "I don't tell you
how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I know how." And if I
was forced to ride with her in her car???? She drove like porcupines
making love - slowly and painfully.

8<----- CUT ----->8

The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
section; when we first moved to WF, they were clearing out a lot of
their Indian foods. We got quite a few over time, once as we were
checking out, had a young lady from India as our cashier. She commented that her father really liked the brand Lowe's was getting rid of and we were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)

Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.

Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.

It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and the
same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected
items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we try to select
a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next item.

... Books are better than TV; they exercise your imagination.

True dat. If youm watch the tube or the mvies you get the director's vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
own vision ....

Exactly! Fun part of our first echo picnic was putting faces with
names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.

IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.

Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........

I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics.
Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to
make up a viable picnic.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Ham Salad
Categories: Five, Pork, Vegetables
Yield: 25 Servings

2 lb Cooked ham; minced or fine
- chopped
1 1/2 c (12 oz jar) pickle relish
1 c Duke's Mayonnaise or Miracle
- Wimp salad dressing
1 oz (to 2 oz) jarred pimientos
- or roasted red peppers;
- diced

Combine ham, relish, mayonnaise and pimientos; mix
well.

TO SERVE: Spoon 1/4 cup onto a slice of bread; top
with lettuce if desired and another bread slice.

Makes 25 (approximately) sandwiches

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Hi Dave,

Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a

We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally
map book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the

I never used the AAA service. But my parents did a time or three. They
got back a three-inch tall by seven or eight inch wild book of strip
maps with the AAA suggested routes highlighted. Also regukar 8 1/2" X
11 pages with recommended restaurants, motels and roadside
attractions.

I don't know what my dad used, probably studied road maps. We did have
the Rand McNally campgrounds atlas that my parents used extensivly. It
listed campgrounds (by city, town, etc) and the amenities they offered;
one thing my dad always insisted on was that it have flush toilets. (G)
Even when camping, Mom fixed 99.99% of our meals so restarant listings
would have been as useless as motels. The few times we ate out, we just
went to some place near the campground....I remember going for lobster
(We kids had to get other seafood, but each got a bite of lobster from
what mom & dad ordered.) up in Maine but that was a rare exception.

8<----- CUT ----->8

We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.

You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I
mislike "back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst
it's ever been my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once
"I don't tell you how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I
know how." And if I was forced to ride with her in her car???? She
drove like porcupines
making love - slowly and painfully.

Don't forget, she was raised when there were fewer cars, trucks, etc on
the road.

8<----- CUT ----->8

The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)

Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.

Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.

It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and
scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my
selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.

We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.

names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.

IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.

Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........

I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.

Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael,
Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.

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Ruth
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Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

Back in the day Triple A (American Automoblie Association) had a trip planning service witk maps that had the route highlighted and a

We tried something like that--don't recall if it was AAA or something else--once or twice but decided it wasn't for us. Cost, as much as anything was why we didn't stick with it. Also used the Rand McNally
map book to sort of pre plan the route, still keep a map book in the

I never used the AAA service. But my parents did a time or three. They
got back a three-inch tall by seven or eight inch wild book of strip
maps with the AAA suggested routes highlighted. Also regukar 8 1/2" X
11 pages with recommended restaurants, motels and roadside
attractions.

I don't know what my dad used, probably studied road maps. We did have
the Rand McNally campgrounds atlas that my parents used extensivly. It listed campgrounds (by city, town, etc) and the amenities they offered; one thing my dad always insisted on was that it have flush toilets. (G)

Definitely not a "country boy", then. Bv)= On the farm we had six rooms
and a path. Baths were taken in a large washtub near the kitchen stove so
we could have hot water. It was a matter of great mement when we gor an oval galvanised "horse trough to replace the round wash tub.

Even when camping, Mom fixed 99.99% of our meals so restarant listings would have been as useless as motels. The few times we ate out, we just went to some place near the campground....I remember going for lobster
(We kids had to get other seafood, but each got a bite of lobster from what mom & dad ordered.) up in Maine but that was a rare exception.

8<----- CUT ----->8

We generally try to use the "go arounds". Even tho I don't drive, I
keep looking for indicators of what we need to be aware of coming up, especially when we're towing, to help Steve.

You're probably worked out a system that suits you. Ordinarily I
mislike "back seat drivers". My grandmother was thw absolute worst
it's ever been my misfortune to have as a passenger. I told her once
"I don't tell you how to run your kitchen .... let me drive the way I
know how." And if I was forced to ride with her in her car???? She
drove like porcupines making love - slowly and painfully.

Don't forget, she was raised when there were fewer cars, trucks, etc on the road.

I don't believe that she ever drove a car over 40 MPH in her life. Even on Route 66 which put her in danger of getting rear-ended. Thank goodness it
was a 4 lane road. I remember being honked at many times on 2 land highways.

8<----- CUT ----->8

The grocery store is pretty nice, I'd rate it a few steps above Food
Lion. The one we used to shop at regularly has a small clearance
were buying. Good reccommendation. (G)

Hy-Vee is our Midwest Wegman's equivalent. I only get staple items
from their "snatch & grabbit" service. Fresh produce, meat and deli
still reuire me to go iside and select personally what I'm buying.
The other major stupormarkups here offer similar deals - but I have
yet to try them out.

Maybe one of these days, but not yet for us.

It's a time-saver. And since staple items are in bags/cans/boxes and
the same all of the time I have no problem putting in an on-line order
and scheduling pick-up at a convenient time. If one (or more) of my selected items is out of stock I get texts on my phone from the as we
try to select a work-around. And if none exists ... on to the next
item.

We still prefer to do all the shopping. If I don't go out with Steve,
I'll send a fairly detailed list of what to get.

It's sort of like ordering from Amazon - except you don't have to wait 2
days for delivery. Hy-Vee will also deliver your groceries (just like the
old days). Since I'm a Perks Plus member there's a U$25 minimum order - I
have only used that service once - when I was housebound on doctor's say
so. If one is not a Perks Plus member the minimum for free delivery is
U$100.

names. We'd met a few folks in the first 13 years or so we were on the echo but got to meet a lot more "in real life" at the event the Shipps hosted in 2007.

I remember you were coming through my town on Route 66/I-55 and we met
at the local Cracker Barrel. There was a Commode Door 64 cofuser involved.

IIRC you were also at the last picnic they held. That was before Nancy fell off of her twig.

Yes, we were there. Visited some friends in the Baltimore area
afterward; we'd been stationed in Frankfurt am/Main together. We hosted the last picnic, in 2019--doubt there will be any more but would be nice........

I had to give that one a miss. And I fear you're right on the echo picnics. Not enough participants left on this early-times social media platform to make up a viable picnic.

Last few we went to had maybe 6-9 people; ours had the Shipps, Michael, Nancy and Mark Lewis for a grand total of 7.

Never met Mark in person but I use his BBS daily.

My house mate gave me a "Great Value" (as-if) single serve beef stroganoff yesterday which he had tried and didn't care for. He asked me "What's
wrong with this stuff?" Besides being fro Wally World, they used mystery
meat, very little spice/flavouring agents, rotini pasta in plsce of wide
egg noodles and worst of all - no sour cream.

I'm making this for him tomorrow evening:

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

Title: Beef Stroganoff w/Noodles
Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Dairy, Mushrooms, Pasta
Yield: 4 servings

1/2 lb Extra-lean (90%) ground beef
+=OR=+
1/2 lb Chuck or round steak; very
- thinly sliced (1/8")
1/4 c Chopped onion (1 small)
3/4 c Water
1 Beef bouillon cube
+=OR=+
1 ts Minor's/GFS beef base
2 ts Worcestershire sauce
4 oz Can sliced mushrooms;
- drained
1 c Sour cream
1 1/2 tb A-P flour
6 oz Wide egg noodles; uncooked
Chopped fresh parsley;
- garnish (opt)

In a small heavy bottomed saucepan, cook beef and onion
until meat is thoroughly cooked and onion is tender,
about 5 minutes.

Add water, bouillon/beef basee and Worcestershire sauce.
Heat to boiling, stirring to dissolve bouillon/beef base.

Stir in mushrooms and reduce heat.

Stir together sour cream and flour. Add to beef mixture.
Cook, stirring occasionally, until sauce thickens. Do
not boil.

Meanwhile, cook noodles according to package directions.
Drain.

Toss hot noodles and sauce. Sprinkle with parsley, if
desired.

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