MSGID: 1:19/40 2DCB0C0B
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Hi,

I just had a question about the MSGID used by Synchronet. Can you explain how sbbs creates the MSGID kludge?

Thanks!

-Nugax (cbbs)


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Re: SBBS MSGID
By: Chad Adams to ALL on Thu Mar 02 2023 11:15 am

MSGID: 1:19/40 2DCB0C0B
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Hi,

I just had a question about the MSGID used by Synchronet. Can you explain how sbbs creates the MSGID kludge?

https://wiki.synchro.net/faq:misc#ftn_msgid
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MSGID: 1:19/40 182A4278
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Thank you! I agree with your article and was actually wondering how
the MSGID 8 Char serial could even be assured to be unique with all of
the echomail floating around.

-Nugax (cbbs)


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Re: Re: SBBS MSGID
By: Chad Adams to Digital Man on Thu Mar 02 2023 12:26 pm

MSGID: 1:19/40 182A4278
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Thank you! I agree with your article and was actually wondering how
the MSGID 8 Char serial could even be assured to be unique with all of
the echomail floating around.

Well it's even more limited than "8 Char": it's 8 *hexadecimal* chars. FTS-9 is just a pretty bad idea, especially considering that RFC 822 had a much better/vetted Message-ID solution, was publicly availble for anyone to read/use, and existed 9 years before FTS-9 was published.
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MSGID: 1:19/40 31718125
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
That's true. I wrote a routine that parsed your msgid before I knew what
it was composed of. But, now that I know how you create it, I plan
on also creating my MSGIDs a very similar way.

Something like:

msg_num.conf_identifier@node

-Nugax (cbbs)


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MSGID: 1:19/40 0FFE4D11
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Do you write the REPLY kludge the same was as the BBS ID or the traditional way as onlined in FTSC?

-Nugax (cbbs)


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Re: Re: Re: SBBS MSGID
By: Chad Adams to Digital Man on Thu Mar 02 2023 01:19 pm

MSGID: 1:19/40 31718125
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10

Are you intentionaly sending those Kludge lines ^^^ without the proper Ctrl-A prefix?

That's true. I wrote a routine that parsed your msgid before I knew what
it was composed of.

Message-IDs shouldn't be parsed. They should be stored or hashed as an opaque string of characters for message threading/reply-linking and dupe-detection, that's it.

But, now that I know how you create it, I plan
on also creating my MSGIDs a very similar way.

Okay, but you shouldn't be parsing MSGIDs.
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Re: Re: Re: SBBS MSGID
By: Chad Adams to Digital Man on Thu Mar 02 2023 01:41 pm

MSGID: 1:19/40 0FFE4D11
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Do you write the REPLY kludge the same was as the BBS ID or the traditional way as onlined in FTSC?

I'm not sure what you're asking. A REPLY kludge is just a copy of the original message's MSGID, as specified in FTS-9.
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MSGID: 1:19/40 1C438055
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Yea, I somehow removed the chr(1) character to the kludge. My next build will x that. I should clarify, I parsed msgid to obtain the node the msg came
from. Thats more for my own display in the bbs. Still a work in progress.

-Nugax (cbbs)


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Re: Re: Re: Re: SBBS MSGID
By: Chad Adams to Digital Man on Thu Mar 02 2023 01:56 pm

MSGID: 1:19/40 1C438055
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Yea, I somehow removed the chr(1) character to the kludge. My next build will x that. I should clarify, I parsed msgid to obtain the node the msg came
from. Thats more for my own display in the bbs. Still a work in progress.

That correct place to obtain the node the msg came from is the origin line, not the MSGID.
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MSGID: 1:19/40 03B6CE4E
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Got it. Thanks.

-Nugax (cbbs)


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MSGID: 1:19/40 1B3F941A
PID: CyberBBS v1.0.10
Wait, I am obtaining that from the origin line. I used to obtain from msgid
but I chatted with you and you told me that previously. Sorry!
Its running together!

-Nugax (cbbs)


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Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-02 12:26:54, you wrote to Digital Man:

Thank you! I agree with your article and was actually wondering how
the MSGID 8 Char serial could even be assured to be unique with all of
the echomail floating around.

To be precise: The combination of the 8 char serialno _plus_ the origaddr need to be unique! So since the originating system is in control of generating it, uniqueness can be assured!

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-02 13:19:40, you wrote to Digital Man:

That's true. I wrote a routine that parsed your msgid before I knew
what it was composed of. But, now that I know how you create it, I
plan on also creating my MSGIDs a very similar way.

Something like:

msg_num.conf_identifier@node

That is a bad idea, please stick to the standard!


Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: Re: SBBS MSGID
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Chad Adams on Thu Mar 02 2023 09:43 pm

Hi Chad,

On 2023-03-02 12:26:54, you wrote to Digital Man:

Thank you! I agree with your article and was actually wondering how
the MSGID 8 Char serial could even be assured to be unique with all of the echomail floating around.

To be precise: The combination of the 8 char serialno _plus_ the origaddr need to be unique! So since the originating system is in control of generating it, uniqueness can be assured!

That's how the spec *should* have been written, but alas, it was not:

"The serial number may be any eight
character hexadecimal number, as long as it is unique - no two
messages from a given system may have the same serial number
within a three years." FTS-9
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