Would you consider adding external syslog support to the Windows version?

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Re: Syslog
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Wed Apr 21 2021 02:21 pm

Would you consider adding external syslog support to the Windows version?

Sure. What is it?
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On 4/21/2021 5:16 PM, Digital Man wrote:

Re: Syslog
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Wed Apr 21 2021 02:21 pm

> Would you consider adding external syslog support to the Windows version?

Sure. What is it?

What is what? Syslog? Windows?

Can Synchronet for Windows send its log data to a syslog server on
another machine, and if not, would you add this feature?

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to Digital Man on Wed Apr 21 2021 10:10 pm

On 4/21/2021 5:16 PM, Digital Man wrote:

Re: Syslog
By: dragon to DOVE-Net.Synchronet_Discussion on Wed Apr 21 2021 02:21 pm

> Would you consider adding external syslog support to the Windows version?

Sure. What is it?

What is what? Syslog? Windows?

What is "external syslog" for Windows?

Can Synchronet for Windows send its log data to a syslog server on
another machine, and if not, would you add this feature?

I'm not aware of any syslog support on Windows (i.e. by Microsoft). Synchronet can log to the NT System Events on Windows (that's what Synchronet ntsvcs do), but I've seen nothing in the Windows APIs regarding syslog. But you seem to know all about this, so please educate me.
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On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Would you consider adding external syslog support to the Windows versio

Sure. What is it?

syslog is a log server.. multiple sources (different machines) can send log info to it.

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On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Synchronet ntsvcs do), bu t I've seen nothing in the Windows APIs regarding syslog. But you seem to know a ll about this, so please
educate me. --

it would seem the request is to learn how syslog shares log information between machines, and implement that functionality in Synchronet.

I'm not aware of any syslog support on Windows (i.e. by Microsoft).

rlogin support isn't in the Windows API either ;)

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: fusion to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:23 am

On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Would you consider adding external syslog support to the Windows versio

Sure. What is it?

syslog is a log server.. multiple sources (different machines) can send log info to it.

Yeah, I'm aware of what syslog is. I've never heard of "external syslog" and certainly not in the context of Windows.
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Re: Re: Syslog
By: fusion to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:29 am

On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Synchronet ntsvcs do), bu t I've seen nothing in the Windows APIs regarding syslog. But you seem to know a ll about this, so please educate me. --

it would seem the request is to learn how syslog shares log information between machines, and implement that functionality in Synchronet.

I'll wait for the requester clarify.
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fusion wrote:

On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...

Synchronet ntsvcs do), bu t I've seen nothing in the Windows APIs regarding syslog. But you seem to know a ll about this, so please educate me. --

it would seem the request is to learn how syslog shares log information between machines, and implement that functionality in Synchronet.

I'm not aware of any syslog support on Windows (i.e. by Microsoft).

This sounds more like a function for Windows Remote Management. Synchronet is throwing its logs out. It's up to Windows where they go.

https://www.loggly.com/ultimate-guide/centralizing-windows-logs/

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On 22 Apr 2021, Nelgin said the following...

This sounds more like a function for Windows Remote Management.
Synchronet is throwing its logs out. It's up to Windows where they go.

this level of pedantry is ridiculous.

it was a simple request. obviously i was able to figure out what the request was for. which then was further cemented in plain English by the original author.

which was met with more ..

ffs guys

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: fusion to Nelgin on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:49 am

On 22 Apr 2021, Nelgin said the following...

This sounds more like a function for Windows Remote Management. Synchronet is throwing its logs out. It's up to Windows where they go.

this level of pedantry is ridiculous.

it was a simple request. obviously i was able to figure out what the request was for. which then was further cemented in plain English by the original author.

which was met with more ..

ffs guys

plus the original guy will probably never READ his logs nor BACKUP his bbs!
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Hi,

btw, "external syslog" can also be read as "a syslog server on another (=external) machine".
Just to add some pedantry :)

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: acn to fusion on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:03 pm

Hi,

btw, "external syslog" can also be read as "a syslog server on another (=external) machine".
Just to add some pedantry :)

Regards,
Anna

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El 22/4/21 a las 03:02, Digital Man escribi¢:

Re: Re: Syslog
By: fusion to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:29 am

> On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...
>
> DM> Synchronet ntsvcs do), bu t I've seen nothing in the Windows APIs
> DM> regarding syslog. But you seem to know a ll about this, so please
> DM> educate me. --
>
> it would seem the request is to learn how syslog shares log information
> between machines, and implement that functionality in Synchronet.

I'll wait for the requester clarify.

i think that mean that send the logs events via network to another
syslog server, as some routers that can do it.

the logger unix command do this tanks

logger -s your.syslog.server -t sbbs "this is a message from remote"

syslog use 514 upd port

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On 4/22/2021 2:02 AM, Digital Man wrote:

Re: Re: Syslog
By: fusion to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:29 am

> On 21 Apr 2021, Digital Man said the following...
>
> DM> Synchronet ntsvcs do), bu t I've seen nothing in the Windows APIs
> DM> regarding syslog. But you seem to know a ll about this, so please
> DM> educate me. --
>
> it would seem the request is to learn how syslog shares log information
> between machines, and implement that functionality in Synchronet.

I'll wait for the requester clarify.

Wow.

My first instinct is to just say "never mind".

...

Syslog is a service that can be installed on any operating system if
someone bothers to write a server for it. Most Unix-like operating
systems have it as part of the default install.

There are Windows syslog servers. I know, because I've bought them,
written them, and am running a custom one written entirely in Perl right
now.

Syslog CLIENTS can write to the local syslog, and/or send data to a
syslog service running on a different machine.

There is a [Unix] section in sbbs.ini:

[UNIX]
; User/group name to run as
;User=admin
;Group=wheel
; Run in background:
Daemonize=False
; File to create/write-to with process identifier (when daemonized)
PidFile=/var/run/sbbs.pid
; System log (syslog) facility to use (when daemonized)
; 1 = LOCAL1
; 2 = LOCAL2
; .
; .
; .
; S = Use standard facilities - be sure you understand the
; consequences of enabling this!
; man syslog.conf(5) for more information.
; Defaults to using the USER facility.
LogFacility=User
; syslog identity to use (when daemonized)
LogIdent=synchronet
; Default file creation mask:
umask=077

This led me to believe that the *nix version of Synchronet could log to
the LOCAL syslog service and that you were more familiar with syslogging.

I was asking if you'd consider adding support for sending logs to a
syslog server on a different machine. I run the Windows version of Synchronet, and my syslog server is on a different machine as it
services multiple computers/servers.

I apologize if I assumed too much.

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 11:23 am

My first instinct is to just say "never mind".

Me too.

This led me to believe that the *nix version of Synchronet could log to
the LOCAL syslog service and that you were more familiar with syslogging.

The *nix version of Synchronet uses the syslog() POSIX function to send log messages to a local logging subsystem (e.g. syslog/rsyslogd).

"syslog() generates a log message, which will be distributed by syslogd(8)."

I'm no syslog expert, but I believe you can configure a system logger to forward messages to loggers on other systems.

"Rsyslogd is a system utility providing support for message logging. Support of both internet and unix domain sockets enables this utility to support both local and remote logging."

I'm not familiar with use of syslog from Windows applictions/servers/services.

I apologize if I assumed too much.

Apology accepted.
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Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 11:23 am

I was asking if you'd consider adding support for sending logs to a
syslog server on a different machine. I run the Windows version of Synchronet, and my syslog server is on a different machine as it
services multiple computers/servers.

I apologize if I assumed too much.

you just didnt clarrify enough. now you did.

you can make a feature request on git[i think that's where you do it], or write your own script to get it to do exactly what you want it to do [you probably would prefer this].
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On 4/22/2021 6:35 AM, MRO wrote:

Re: Re: Syslog
By: fusion to Nelgin on Thu Apr 22 2021 05:49 am

> On 22 Apr 2021, Nelgin said the following...
>
> Ne> This sounds more like a function for Windows Remote Management.
> Ne> Synchronet is throwing its logs out. It's up to Windows where they go.
>
> this level of pedantry is ridiculous.
>
> it was a simple request. obviously i was able to figure out what the request
> was for. which then was further cemented in plain English by the original
> author.
>
> which was met with more ..
>
> ffs guys

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I would like to have my logs go to my central syslog server PRECISELY so
that I'm more likely to read them. I also backup my puny little BBS
often, thanks.

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On 4/22/2021 2:19 PM, Digital Man wrote:

Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 11:23 am

I'm not familiar with use of syslog from Windows applictions/servers/services.

There are quite a number of Windows programs that send messages to
syslog (ie TitanFTP), though many of them are considered "Enterprise" software.

Any program on any platform can send syslog messages to a syslog server.
That's kind of the point of having one, especially in a mixed OS environment. Basic clients are simple to implement, although I've been
using 3rd party programming libraries for the last few decades.

Obviously I've said or done something to upset you, so I'll just drop it
and figure out something on my own.

Thanks for your time.

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 03:58 pm

On 4/22/2021 2:19 PM, Digital Man wrote:

Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to Digital Man on Thu Apr 22 2021 11:23 am

I'm not familiar with use of syslog from Windows applictions/servers/services.

There are quite a number of Windows programs that send messages to
syslog (ie TitanFTP), though many of them are considered "Enterprise" software.

Cool. I did not know that. I myself have never used any Windows program that had an obvious "syslog" feature available.

Any program on any platform can send syslog messages to a syslog server.
That's kind of the point of having one, especially in a mixed OS environment. Basic clients are simple to implement, although I've been using 3rd party programming libraries for the last few decades.

Obviously I've said or done something to upset you, so I'll just drop it
and figure out something on my own.

I think this response from you was expectedly snarky:

What is what? Syslog? Windows?

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Re: Re: Syslog
By: Digital Man to dragon on Thu Apr 22 2021 04:12 pm

I think this response from you was expectedly snarky:

'course I meant to UNexpectedly snarky. <shrug>
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Re: Re: Syslog
By: dragon to MRO on Thu Apr 22 2021 03:31 pm

that I'm more likely to read them. I also backup my puny little BBS
often, thanks.

i've heard that before.

I would like to have my logs go to my central syslog server PRECISELY so that I'm more likely to read them.

like i said, write a script. i've had special requirements and i've had to script things. that's whats good about synchronet: the amount of modifications you can make to it and the implimentation of javascript.
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On 4/22/2021 7:34 PM, Digital Man wrote:

Re: Re: Syslog
By: Digital Man to dragon on Thu Apr 22 2021 04:12 pm

> I think this response from you was expectedly snarky:

'course I meant to UNexpectedly snarky. <shrug>

Well, it actually never occurred to me that you wouldn't know that
syslog could be used under Windows and I thought YOU were being
"snarky". Go figure.

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On 04-21-21 23:01, Digital Man wrote to fusion <=-

Yeah, I'm aware of what syslog is. I've never heard of "external
syslog" and certainly not in the context of Windows.

I have used external syslog in the past, but only Linux - Linux. I'm not aware of any syslog implementation for Windows, but I could be wrong. :)


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On 04-22-21 11:23, dragon wrote to Digital Man <=-

This led me to believe that the *nix version of Synchronet could log to the LOCAL syslog service and that you were more familiar with
syslogging.

It does, I've fished through my system logs when seeing what Synchronet was up to. :)

I was asking if you'd consider adding support for sending logs to a
syslog server on a different machine. I run the Windows version of Synchronet, and my syslog server is on a different machine as it
services multiple computers/servers.

For those running a syslog server, remote logging would be useful. I did consider seeing if it was possible at one stage, when I was trying to maximise SD card life, but opted for using a SSD for the BBS and keeping the SD card for the OS only, which is written to less frequently. I've also got the system logs on the SSD.


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On 04-22-21 11:19, Digital Man wrote to dragon <=-

I'm no syslog expert, but I believe you can configure a system logger
to forward messages to loggers on other systems.

It's been a while, I've done it in the past, but haven't needed to for years.


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El 23/4/21 a las 07:16, Tony Langdon escribi¢:

On 04-21-21 23:01, Digital Man wrote to fusion <=-

DM> Yeah, I'm aware of what syslog is. I've never heard of "external
DM> syslog" and certainly not in the context of Windows.

I have used external syslog in the past, but only Linux - Linux. I'm not aware
of any syslog implementation for Windows, but I could be wrong. :)

you can use cygwin

https://www.cygwin.com/packages/summary/syslog-ng.html

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On 4/23/2021 1:57 PM, Ragnarok wrote:

El 23/4/21 a las 07:16, Tony Langdon escribi¨:

On 04-21-21 23:01, Digital Man wrote to fusion <=-

DM> Yeah, I'm aware of what syslog is. I've never heard of "external
DM> syslog" and certainly not in the context of Windows.

I have used external syslog in the past, but only Linux - Linux. I'm
not aware
of any syslog implementation for Windows, but I could be wrong. :)

you can use cygwin

https://www.cygwin.com/packages/summary/syslog-ng.html

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There are a number of Windows syslog servers.. Try Googling "Windows
Syslog Server".

Kiwi and Visual Syslog Server come to mind.

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On 04-23-21 14:57, Ragnarok wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

you can use cygwin

https://www.cygwin.com/packages/summary/syslog-ng.html

That'd do it. :)


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MRO wrote to acn <=-

arent all machines 'external' unless we keep them in our assholes?

I can stop reading this mail packet now. Nothing will top this reply.


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Digital Man wrote to dragon <=-

I'm no syslog expert, but I believe you can configure a system logger
to forward messages to loggers on other systems.

It's been years, but yes - you can specify a remote host by putting
@hostname in the destination in syslogd.conf.


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