I just realized none of my fidonet mail is going out anymore. I'm getting inbound, so I know it's not a connection issue. I think I've traced it back as far as the 318 R3 update was installed. All outgoing packets are being marked with the extension .bad . The .FLO files look ok. I'm using radius, which I've been using for years. Any idea what area I need to look for the problem in. I'm not that sharp when it comes to fido, so any hints will be appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to All on Wed Mar 24 2021 15:39:26

All outgoing packets are being marked with the extension .bad .

are you saying that the remote systems are accepting the files and then renaming them to bad? this generally means that they are missing the packet password or it is not the write password... the remote system's tosser logs
should be telling them exactly why those PKTs are being renamed... once that is know, the fix is quite simple...

packet passwords in FTN are limited to 8 characters in length. tradition says they are all uppercase.

the only other reason i know of that they might be marked as bad is if they have the wrong FTN address representations inside their header...


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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to All on Wed Mar 24 2021 03:39 pm

I just realized none of my fidonet mail is going out anymore. I'm getting inbound, so I know it's not a connection issue. I think I've traced it back as far as the 318 R3 update was installed. All outgoing packets are being marked with the extension .bad . The .FLO files look ok. I'm using radius, which I've been using for years. Any idea what area I need to look for the problem in. I'm not that sharp when it comes to fido, so any hints will be appreciated. Thanks

Look at your logs to find out what's happening. SBBSecho never marks *outbound* packets as bad - only *inbound* (and only if they're bad) - but the sbbsecho.log file would tell you if/why that is occurring. Otherwise, something else is renaming the packets.
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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 24 2021 06:36 pm

packet password or it is not the write password... the remote system's tosser logs should be telling them exactly why those PKTs are being renamed... once that is know, the fix is quite simple...

Ok, i'll check with the hub. Thanks.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 24 2021 05:25 pm

Look at your logs to find out what's happening. SBBSecho never marks *outbound* packets as bad - only *inbound* (and only if they're bad) - but the sbbsecho.log file would tell you if/why that is occurring. Otherwise, something else is renaming the packets. --
digital man

Ok, I thought it was me, but it looks more like my hub. I didn't see anything in the logs, but now that I know what to look for, I'll check again. Thanks for helping me zero in on it.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 24 2021 05:25 pm

Look at your logs to find out what's happening. SBBSecho never marks *outbound* packets as bad - only *inbound* (and only if they're bad) - but

The only thing I can find, is a spot in the mailer log that says system could not find path specified, but yet the packet and the flo file are in the path specified and do exist. I know this is not a schronet issue, but I still listed the error hoping something may pop out at you that you can pass along to me. I've never quite seen a file path like the one shown. I'm sure it's something I have f&%&ed up, but It's beyond me. Ideas?



! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003 'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The system cannot find the path specified)
! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 Outbound SYS00003 'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The system cannot find the path specified) - changed attach status to Normal
! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003 'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The system cannot find the path specified)
! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003 'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The system cannot find the path specified)
28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 Nothing for them

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Digital Man on Sun Mar 28 2021 16:14:46

! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003 'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The system cannot find the path specified)

if i'm reading that properly, it is a bundle destined to 275/100... i will assume zone 1...

the real question is why is radius:
1. looking at a .TMP file/directory?
2. adding the path onto the file or directory?

what is your radius outbound defined as?
what is your sbbsecho outbound defined as?

also remember that sbbsecho includes the path to the packets bundles in its ?LO files... can you capture one of those outbound ?lo files before radius does?

i think it is possible to correct this on the radius side of the fence but more research is needed...

this also should not be causing the remote to rename packets and bundles from your system to .bad but it is possible...


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Hi! mark,

On 28 Mar 2021, Rampage said the following...

i think it is possible to correct this on the radius side of the fence
but more research is needed...

If there is a way, then I'd be interested as well. I couldn't find anything helpful in the dox.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 28 2021 07:29 pm

! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003
'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The
system cannot find the path specified)

if i'm reading that properly, it is a bundle destined to 275/100... i will assume zone 1...

You are correct

the real question is why is radius:
1. looking at a .TMP file/directory?
2. adding the path onto the file or directory?

what is your radius outbound defined as?

C:\SBBS\radius\OUT

what is your sbbsecho outbound defined as?

outbound = C:\SBBS\RADIUS\OUT\

also remember that sbbsecho includes the path to the packets bundles in its ?LO files... can you capture one of those outbound ?lo files before radius does?

I prob can, just need to turn off radius and create a message

i think it is possible to correct this on the radius side of the fence but more research is needed...

this also should not be causing the remote to rename packets and bundles from your system to .bad but it is possible...

I think it's my side doing the renaming. It seems to leave it alone until the mailer tries to send it for the third time, then it's renamed to .bad, but unfortunatly none of this is in the logs.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 28 2021 07:29 pm

also remember that sbbsecho includes the path to the packets bundles in its ?LO files... can you capture one of those outbound ?lo files before radius does?

Here is the .CLO file before radius sees it

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

and 0000fff9.MO0 has been renamed to 6061d405.bad and there
is a 01130064.tmp in the same directory.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 28 2021 07:29 pm

! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003
'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The
system cannot find the path specified)

i think it is possible to correct this on the radius side of the fence but more research is needed...

Funny thing, I switched to Trapgate mailer today, and it does the same thing. I do like Trapgate, so hopfully there is a fix. I was thinking about going to Binkit, but I would at least lkike to know what is causing this before I spend the time to switch to another mailer and the same thing happens again. Stumped in Virginia.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Rampage on Mon Mar 29 2021 09:14:30

'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The
system cannot find the path specified)

if i'm reading that properly, it is a bundle destined to 275/100... i will assume zone 1...

You are correct

cool... my next question is why is that TMP directory in your outbound? what is creating it there?

[...]

this also should not be causing the remote to rename packets and bundles from your system to .bad but it is possible...

I think it's my side doing the renaming. It seems to leave it alone until the mailer tries to send it for the third time, then it's renamed to .bad, but unfortunatly none of this is in the logs.

wait... i thought we were talking about your mail being renamed on the remote side... are we instead talking about you finding .bad files in your outbound that are not being sent??

i'm starting to think that it has something to do with that TMP directory in your outbound directory structure... AFAIK, they should not be there at alll... the question is why are they and what is creating them...

you're not using fileboxes are you??


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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Rampage on Mon Mar 29 2021 09:29:59

Here is the .CLO file before radius sees it

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

ok, that looks fine...

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

and 0000fff9.MO0 has been renamed to 6061d405.bad and there
is a 01130064.tmp in the same directory.

eeewwwww... that is certainly not right... this is definitely something in radius... likely something to do with your path definitions but i'm guessing there... it has been a very long time since i ran any of the ART (Argus,
Radius, Taurus) family of mailers but i have run all of them as they appeared... Taurus was the last one i ran back when i had a working Vista system...

aside: at one point, i was translating the (Taurus) documentation into english on my web site... that work hasn't seen any advance since about 2006, though...


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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Rampage on Mon Mar 29 2021 11:48:29

Funny thing, I switched to Trapgate mailer today, and it does the same thing. I do like Trapgate, so hopfully there is a fix.

IIRC, trapgate is one of the ART family in other clothes...

i'm curious as to what your paths settings are... like your temp directory definition if there is one...

I was thinking about going to Binkit, but I would at least lkike to
know what is causing this before I spend the time to switch to another mailer and the same thing happens again. Stumped in Virginia.

it should not happen at all with binkit since binkit uses your existing path definitions that sbbsecho uses... no duplicating things and the logic is certainly different...


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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 11:51 am

cool... my next question is why is that TMP directory in your outbound? what is creating it there?

I have no Idea, I always thought it created a temp directory in the outbound directory, but I'm not seeing this happen.

[...]

this also should not be causing the remote to rename packets

and bundles from your system to .bad but it is possible...

I think it's my side doing the renaming. It seems to leave it alone until the

wait... i thought we were talking about your mail being renamed on the remote side... are we instead talking about you finding .bad files in your outbound that are not being sent??

We were, as I understood DM to say, that my side could not do that. but after talking to the hub, and she stated her logs showed nothing for me. According to her, I haven't sent any outbound for months. The inbound is working however, so thats why I never noticed anything.

i'm starting to think that it has something to do with that TMP directory in your outbound directory structure... AFAIK, they should not be there at alll... the question is why are they and what is creating them...

Agreed, but I've looked at my paths, and don't see anything to do this.

you're not using fileboxes are you??

I've got a filebox directory, but nothing in the filebox config, and it's an empty directory. I have not used a filebox or it's settings in over a year, and it was just for Mojo, and that has long since been deleted.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 11:58 am

Here is the .CLO file before radius sees it

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

ok, that looks fine...

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

and 0000fff9.MO0 has been renamed to 6061d405.bad and there
is a 01130064.tmp in the same directory.

eeewwwww... that is certainly not right... this is definitely something in radius... likely something to do with your path definitions but i'm guessing there... it has been a very long time since i ran any of the ART (Argus, Radius, Taurus) family of mailers but i have run all of them as they appeared... Taurus was the last one i ran back when i had a working Vista system...

It's crazy. While I was writing this, I just went back and checked the paths one more time, and I still don't see anything.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 01:02 pm

Funny thing, I switched to Trapgate mailer today, and it does the same
thing. I do like Trapgate, so hopfully there is a fix.

IIRC, trapgate is one of the ART family in other clothes...

i'm curious as to what your paths settings are... like your temp directory definition if there is one...

There is no outbound temp setting, only inbound in either radius or trapgate.
I have not seen any listing for an outbound temp setting. I always thought that was done on the fly with the program, then deleted by the program after the mail has been sent.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Rampage on Mon Mar 29 2021 14:42:58

i'm curious as to what your paths settings are... like your temp
directory definition if there is one...

There is no outbound temp setting, only inbound in either radius or trapgate.
I have not seen any listing for an outbound temp setting. I always
thought that was done on the fly with the program, then deleted by
the program after the mail has been sent.

i've just spent some time to locate and grab a copy of the radius source code... it is, indeed, doing that xxxxxxxx.TMP thing and i think i have figured out why... somewhere in your settings, have you enabled something called
"Dynamic Outbounds"?? if so, turn that off and see what happens...

as i don't have any way to compile this code and actually run Radius or any of its derivatives, i can only make slightly educated guesses as to what it is doing based on what i see in the source code... when i ran members of
the ART family of mailers, i don't recall there being a "Dynamic Outbounds" option but if there was, i doubt i ever enabled it... it definitely does not strick a chord with me...


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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Rampage on Mon Mar 29 2021 09:29 am

Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 28 2021 07:29 pm

also remember that sbbsecho includes the path to the packets bundles in its ?LO files... can you capture one of those outbound ?lo files before radius does?

Here is the .CLO file before radius sees it

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

and 0000fff9.MO0 has been renamed to 6061d405.bad and there
is a 01130064.tmp in the same directory.

Maybe the back-slashes vs. forward-slashes are an issue for Radius?
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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Sun Mar 28 2021 07:29 pm

! 28-Mar-2021 15:56:57 SYS00003 'C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.SU0' (The system cannot find the path specified)

if i'm reading that properly, it is a bundle destined to 275/100... i will assume zone 1...

the real question is why is radius:
1. looking at a .TMP file/directory?
2. adding the path onto the file or directory?

what is your radius outbound defined as?
what is your sbbsecho outbound defined as?

also remember that sbbsecho includes the path to the packets bundles in its ?LO files... can you capture one of those outbound ?lo files before radius does?

i think it is possible to correct this on the radius side of the fence but more research is needed...

this also should not be causing the remote to rename packets and bundles from your system to .bad but it is possible...

i think he should just gut it and re-setup using a guide. that's what i've done in the past when i was fuzzy something and it worked.
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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 16:01:58

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

and 0000fff9.MO0 has been renamed to 6061d405.bad and there
is a 01130064.tmp in the same directory.

Maybe the back-slashes vs. forward-slashes are an issue for Radius?

they should not be... i suspect it is more something to do with the ART family of mailers' "Dynamic Outbound" option which appears to create its own (non-BSO) outbound directories as needed...

----->8 snip 8<-----

if (f.Link <> '') and inifile.DynamicOutbound then
begin
zzz := ExtractFileExt(f.Name);
if IsArcMailExt(zzz) then
begin
if pos(GetOutFileName(f.Address, osNone) + '.TMP\', f.Name) = 0 then
begin
f.Orig := f.Name;
f.Name := GetOutFileName(F.Address, osNone) + '.TMP\' + ExtractFileName(F.Name);
FidoOut.Lock(f.Address, osBusy, True);
CreateDir(ExtractFilePath(F.Name));
l := TStringColl.Create;
zzz := f.Link;
l.LoadFromFile(zzz);
for i := 0 to l.Count - 1 do
begin
if pos(UpperCase(f.Orig), UpperCase(l[i])) > 0 then
begin
l[i] := '^' + f.Name;
l.SaveToFile(zzz);
break;
end;
end;
l.Free;
RenameFile(f.Orig, f.Name);
if f.KillAction = kaBsoTruncateAfter then
begin
s := CreateDosStream(f.Orig, [cWrite]);
s.Free;
f.KillAction := kaFbKillAfter;
end;
FidoOut.Unlock(f.Address, osBusy);
end;
end;
end;

----->8 snip 8<-----

the above snippet of Radius code appears to check the DynamicOutbound setting in the mailer configuration and then moves the file to a blahblah.TMP directory if it is enabled... at the same time, it rewrites the FLO file to
point to the new location...

PS: sorry for the pascal code... the ART family is written in pascal/delphi ;)


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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 05:32 pm

i've just spent some time to locate and grab a copy of the radius source code... it is, indeed, doing that xxxxxxxx.TMP thing and i think i have figured out why... somewhere in your settings, have you enabled something called "Dynamic Outbounds"?? if so, turn that off and see what happens...

I turned that off late last night, and the mail is going out, but I don't think it's going anywhere. I sent the log files to the hub, and I'm waiting to hear back from her. I don't see any evidence in the test echo yet, and I sent out 3 test messages. I really don't know how dynamic outbound got clicked, as I don't ever remember using it. I know the tutorials say to click it on. It's up in the air till I hear back from the hub.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 04:01 pm

Here is the .CLO file before radius sees it

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

and 0000fff9.MO0 has been renamed to 6061d405.bad and there
is a 01130064.tmp in the same directory.

Maybe the back-slashes vs. forward-slashes are an issue for Radius?

Good point, and worth a shot, I'll go in in change it to forward-slashes on that one section of sbbsecho.ini, and see if it helps, or just craps out all togeather. Mark had a suggestion about turning off dynamic outbound which I have done, so one thing at a time, I'll let everyone know. Thanks

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 05:32 pm

i've just spent some time to locate and grab a copy of the radius source code... it is, indeed, doing that xxxxxxxx.TMP thing and i think i have figured out why... somewhere in your settings, have you enabled something called "Dynamic Outbounds"?? if so, turn that off and see what happens...

Ok, I cut off Dynamic Outbounds, and mail went out, but now the hub is getting "Invalid File Name Kickbacks", so I changed it back to Dydnamic Outbound till I figure this out. I looked back over my setup instructions, and I have had dynamic outbound checked to yes for years. This only started a few months ago, so something has changed somewhere, and for the like of me, I can't seem to figure it out. I think it goes back when I set sbbs up as a hub for my valnet network, and about the same time I switched over to sbbs 3.18. Like I said before, In the last few days, I've tried Argus, Trapgate, and back to radius, and it's doing the same thing with all three. I guess the last option I have is to switch to binkit, but I really don't want to go that direction, as I'm very happy with radius. Thanks for all of your help and suggestions Mark.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Rampage on Wed Mar 31 2021 06:47:45

Ok, I cut off Dynamic Outbounds, and mail went out, but now the hub is getting "Invalid File Name Kickbacks",

what does that even mean??? we need logs, man... logs of the same session from both sides... these eWAGS* are getting old... fast...




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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Rampage to DesotoFireflite on Wed Mar 31 2021 10:15 am

what does that even mean??? we need logs, man... logs of the same session from both sides... these eWAGS* are getting old... fast...

I hear you loud and clear. I've asked the hub for the logs, but no go yet. The logs would help me also pinpoint the issue. I'm just going to update to binkit or binkd this weekend and be done with it. I personally don't see anything wrong with the sbbsecho setup, or radius setup, so I'm moving on to something newer. Thanks for the assist so far.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 04:01 pm

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Maybe the back-slashes vs. forward-slashes are an issue for Radius?

Just curious, and work with me here, was there a change in how sbbsecho would pass this file dir and name in the .clo/.flo, when it comes to forward-slashes and back-slashes when 3.18b came out. I'm grasping at straws here, but I've been using radius for about 3 to 4 years, and this all started about the time I did the last update. In sbbsecho.ini, it's listed as:
"outbound = C:\SBBS\RADIUS\OUT\" but it's forward slashes in the .clo/.flo

The logs don't tell me squat, and I can't get the hub to send me their logs, so I'm shooting in the dark. I plan on updating to binkit this weekend, but I really would like to know what is causing this if possable. As always, thanks.

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Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: DesotoFireflite to Digital Man on Thu Apr 01 2021 04:01 pm

Re: Outgoing Fido Mail
By: Digital Man to DesotoFireflite on Mon Mar 29 2021 04:01 pm

^C:/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Here is the .FLO file after Radius see it and changes it.

^C:\SBBS\radius\OUT\01130064.TMP\/SBBS/RADIUS/OUT/0000fff9.MO0

Maybe the back-slashes vs. forward-slashes are an issue for Radius?

Just curious, and work with me here, was there a change in how sbbsecho would pass this file dir and name in the .clo/.flo, when it comes to forward-slashes and back-slashes when 3.18b came out.

I don't think so.

I'm grasping at straws
here, but I've been using radius for about 3 to 4 years, and this all started about the time I did the last update. In sbbsecho.ini, it's listed as:
"outbound = C:\SBBS\RADIUS\OUT\" but it's forward slashes in the .clo/.flo

The logs don't tell me squat, and I can't get the hub to send me their logs, so I'm shooting in the dark. I plan on updating to binkit this weekend, but I really would like to know what is causing this if possable. As always, thanks.

Sorry, but it looks like Radius issue to me.
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