The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K
The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K
Nah .. self check out did though.
One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a bit contradictory.
The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K
Nah .. self check out did though.
I live in a state where self-service gas stations were against the law (only recently did my state start allowing self-service gas), and I've often seen people from out of state complain when they come here and find out they couldn't pump their own gas. But they don't like checking their own groceries?
i love self check out. now they dont have enough self checkout lines open. i just think we should get a discount for using it.
The Internet ruined everything. :-( J/K
Nah .. self check out did though.
One thing I've wondered about - People complain because
they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people
like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't
like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a bit
contradictory.
often seen people from out of state complain when they come
here and find out they couldn't pump their own gas. But
they don't like checking their own groceries?
self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for
Yeh, I haven't seen anyone complain about someone else pumping their gas, unless they were being charged more to do it. Then again, I don't live in Oregon :). Been there once, though! Didn't mind letting someone else fill 'er up. Back in the day, we had a full service option in my state. That went away, though, because who wants to pay more for gas? People with those jobs here weren't that careful anyway, I don't think.
Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.
Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the
barcodes or entering them manually, etc..
Nightfox wrote to JaXson <=-
One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems
a bit contradictory.
Phigan wrote to Nightfox <=-
Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly
one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.
Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-
Pumping gas is a one-product thing. Requires a few steps.
Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the
barcodes or entering them manually, etc..
Nightfox wrote to Phigan <=-
I'm not a big fan of replacing the workforce either. And that's one argument people here have had about gas station attendants - They're
jobs people have where they're earning money, and allowing self-service gas would mean elimination of jobs.
at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
you bag away.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Phigan <=-
Personally, I don't use self-checkout because I'm not a fan of machines replacing our workforce... or having ME replace the workforce! I'll let another person check me out. That's one more job for them and possibly
one more available job elsewhere for someone like me.
I was in Italy this summer. At the little corner stores, they'd
scan your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor
and look at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have you bag away.
One thing I've wondered about - People complain because they don't like
self-checkouts at the store, yet people like to pump their own gas for
their car and often don't like needing a gas station attendant. Seems a
bit contradictory.
Full serve used to cost around 10 cents a gallon more in states that offered both. If self-checkout gives me a discount, sure, I'll do your job for you!
at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one of
those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have you bag
away.
US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.
I was in Italy this summer. At the little corner stores, they'd scan
your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor and look
at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
you bag away.
Ogg wrote to Nightfox <=-
Pumping gas is a one-product thing. Requires a few steps.
Whereas, checking out cartful of things is multi-step and takes
more fiddling around - such as identifying the locations of the barcodes or entering them manually, etc..
And, then, having a "loss control specialist" look through your items
and possibly detain you for shoplifting, justified or otherwise.
US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.
You hadn't heard about that? It was big in the news several years ago. I think California did, and then Oregon did about 3 or 4 years ago. They're not totally banned though, it's just that now, stores are mandated by law to charge you 10 cents per bag at checkout (even for paper bags), to encourage people to buy & use re-usable grocery bags.
And it's only for grocery bags at checkout. Stores still have plastic bags for vegetables in the produce section and for items in other sections, and those are still free. I'm not sure how it makes sense.
Nightfox wrote to MRO <=-
US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.
You hadn't heard about that? It was big in the news several
years ago. I think California did, and then Oregon did about 3
or 4 years ago. They're not totally banned though, it's just
that now, stores are mandated by law to charge you 10 cents per
bag at checkout (even for paper bags), to encourage people to buy
& use re-usable grocery bags.
i heard something about it but i didn't know they followed through. i used to travel across the usa every year and i never experienced the no plastic bags during my stops.
i'm not surprised california and oregon did something.
Re: Re: Internet
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Dec 18 2023 05:50 pm
i heard something about it but i didn't know they followed through. i used to travel across the usa every year and i never experienced the no plastic bags during my stops.
i'm not surprised california and oregon did something.
In the end, they didn't totally ban the plastic bags; they just charge for them now. Also, they've been offering more sturdy plastic bags that you could probably use multiple times.
I'm pretty sure stores even charge for paper bags. They just want you to bring your own re-usable bags.
Nightfox
I haven't seen anybody have to type in a barcode manually for like 25 years, i'
not even sure if it's possible anymore with the register software they use.
they just choose a generic item usually.
This place had guys wearing coveralls with their names on them, they
would check your tires, your oil, top off your radiator and washer
fluid, and wash *all* of your windows with towels and a spray bottle
instead of a squeegee. We'd go there before taking a girl out on a
date...
at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
of those thin plastic bags that most US states have banned, and have
you bag away.
US states banned plastic bags at grocery stores? that's news to me.
at the machines i use the machine takes a photo and they review it.
they dont give you a shakedown.
your items, but then leave them at the bottom of the conveyor and look
at you strangely when you asked for a bag. They'd sort of pull off one
Anything to save a buck.
Anything to save a buck.
Pretty sure most of our stations here only employ cashiers. Most of them are just one person, but some are bigger and have two or three cash registers.
I haven't seen anybody have to type in a barcode manually for like 25 years, i'
not even sure if it's possible anymore with the register software they use.
they just choose a generic item usually.
I've seen them do it. It has to be done by the person watching the self-check area (or another cashier) as they have to go into some screens that the customer won't have access to. They usually have to scan their badge to get those screens to come up.
I have not seen it often, but they can do it.
This place had guys wearing coveralls with their names on them, they
would check your tires, your oil, top off your radiator and washer
fluid, and wash *all* of your windows with towels and a spray bottle
instead of a squeegee. We'd go there before taking a girl out on a
date...
In my area, most of that had faded out by the time I was old enough to drive. When I was younger, and a passenger in my parent's cars (1970's and early 80's) I can still remember that the "name brand" places like Chevron, Exxon, etc., still did that. The convenience stores had not yet put those places out of business.
Kentucky has not for sure. OTOH, in California and Arizona this Summer, I had to pay extra for a plastic bag. I just didn't get a bag at all in AZ but, in CA I had too many things not to.
They sell them as "reusable" bags, and they are a little bigger and thicker than the usual ones, but they are no where near as sturdy as the optional reusable bags you can buy upon checkout here.
at the machines i use the machine takes a photo and they review it.
they dont give you a shakedown.
Here, I know the Walmart takes video as there are times they show you yourself on the screen. If Kroger does, they don't let you know and there is no one between you and the door as you leave.
IMHO, the areas where the shakedown specialists are in use are the areas where they have a lot of problems with shoplifters -- likely in cities or states where they have quit prosecuting them.
I haven't seen anybody have to type in a barcode manually for like 25I've seen them do it. It has to be done by the person watching the self-check area (or another cashier) as they have to go into some screens that the customer won't have access to. They usually have to scan their badge to get those screens to come up.
I have not seen it often, but they can do it.
it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment and makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags disintegrate. even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own eyes.
it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment and makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags disintegrate. even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own eyes.
And it doesn't really make much sense to me that it's only the bags at checkout, but the clear plastic bags for produce, bulk items, etc. are still free.
I've seen them do it. It has to be done by the person watching the self-check area (or another cashier) as they have to go into some screens that the customer won't have access to. They usually have to scan their badge to get those screens to come up.
I have not seen it often, but they can do it.
do you go to kroger stores? i normally just go to kroger and walmart.
i don't buy anything weird so i don't really have scan problems.
what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset tha
no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's filling and
e out. no issue for me.
They sell them as "reusable" bags, and they are a little bigger and thicker
than the usual ones, but they are no where near as sturdy as the optional reusable bags you can buy upon checkout here.
it just sounds like another scam that does nothing for the environment
and makes more money for someone. like i said those regular bags disintegrate
even when packed in tight. i've seen it with my own eyes.
This was from the days where the till was just a numeric keypad with function buttons...no touch screen, and a single dotmatrix line display. When the plac
I worked finally did upgrade there was a dedicated button for Creme Eggs and Lottery Tickets...you could also Win Key + R and load up solitaire for those long shifts!
what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset
tha no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's
filling and e out. no issue for me.
With the decline in service to pretty much just pumping gas, I would have to agree... there is not much point in it.
what i'm getting at is doing pumping service, etc is part of an old mindset tha
no longer works. i'll pump my gas, walk into kwiktrip while it's filling and
e out. no issue for me.
With the decline in service to pretty much just pumping gas, I would have
to agree... there is not much point in it.
I thought so also. IMHO, if someone was concerned about the environment, they'd buy some of the more sturdy (usually cloth or some synthetic) bags and take those into the store with them. The bags in question, being similar to the regular bags, just thicker, don't seem like something you could keep around near as long as the reusable alternatives, and also don't seem like something that would disintegrate as fast as the regular plastic bags. Sounds more like a lose-lose.
A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable bags.
I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break even. Some people does but I don't think most do.
A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable bags.
I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break even. Some people does but I don't think most do.
just like how china pretends to recycle but the recycle trash goes to the norma
trash.
A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40 expendable bags.
I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break even. Some people does but I don't think most do.
It seems to me that most people who use reusable bags buy them somewhere else,
nd the ones I usually see people using aren't plastic, but are made of fabric
some kind.
A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as
40 expendable bags.
I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long
enough to break even. Some people does but I don't think
most do.
just like how china pretends to recycle but the recycle trash goes to the norma
trash.
And eventually into the waterways and the ocean.
In the first sentence, re: plastic bags, he is talking specifically to me about the "reusable" plastic bags that markets in Southern CA sell at the checkout. They are slighly larger and thicker than the disposable bags,
and are not as sturdy looking as the ones you are refering to (i.e. the
ones that people who really care about the environment are going to be using).
A sturdy reusable bag takes as much plastic to produce as 40
expendable
bags.
I am not sure most people uses reusable bags for long enough to break
even. Some people does but I don't think most do.
It seems to me that most people who use reusable bags buy them somewhere
else, nd the ones I usually see people using aren't plastic, but are made
of fabric some kind.
In the first sentence, re: plastic bags, he is talking specifically to me about the "reusable" plastic bags that markets in Southern CA sell at the checkout. They are slighly larger and thicker than the disposable bags, and are not as sturdy looking as the ones you are refering to (i.e. the ones that people who really care about the environment are going to be using).
So... do you provide plastic bags for walk-in customers? What
are other shops in Spain providing wrt bags?
It is illegal in Spain to give carry-away bags for free. I have mines concealedand if some customer asks for one I pull it out and give it to him for free.
Most people is expending well above 50 bucks per order and I think billing 5 cents when somebody is spending 75 bucks is very lame.
It is illegal in Spain to give carry-away bags for free.
Ogg wrote to Arelor <=-
If have to charge for the bags, do you have to send that money
to the government? How can they even enforce it?
pirating music, and so lobbied the government to include a built-in
tariff, regardless of what you used them for. The manufacturer pays the government and bakes the charge into the media.
They probably do the same with bags.
It is illegal in Spain to give carry-away bags for free.
All bags? ..or just plastic ones?
If have to charge for the bags, do you have to send that money
to the government? How can they even enforce it?
Not many people knew that blank CD-Rs had a kickback to
the recording industry. Every single one. They *assumed*
that CD-Rs would be used for pirating music, and so
lobbied the government to include a built-in tariff,
regardless of what you used them for. The manufacturer
pays the government and bakes the charge into the media.
They probably do the same with bags.
Hello pF!
Not many people knew that blank CD-Rs had a kickback to
the recording industry. Every single one. They *assumed*
that CD-Rs would be used for pirating music, and so
lobbied the government to include a built-in tariff,
regardless of what you used them for. The manufacturer
pays the government and bakes the charge into the media.
That tarrif was made widely known.
I just have to wonder how the gov't can force a retailer to
charge for the use of a bag.
so it's illegal to give plastic bags for free, but does the money charged goHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hello Arelor!
It is illegal in Spain to give carry-away bags for free.
All bags? ..or just plastic ones?
If have to charge for the bags, do you have to send that money
to the government? How can they even enforce it?
If they're shrewd they build it into the cost of the bag.
I doubt they do.
But, I'm not sure if it goes that far. The "fee" is really just a deterrentIt doesn't. People uses plastic bags as if there was no tomorrow anyway. THey just get to pay moar.
I just have to wonder how the gov't can force a retailer to
charge for the use of a bag.
Re: Self serve checkout
By: MRO to Arelor on Tue Dec 26 2023 08:29 am
so it's illegal to give plastic bags for free, but does the money charged goHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, it doesn't get funneled into any recycling program.
THey started banning free plastic bags. I don't know if they have borged paperbags in because, frankly, I don't care.
You can be as careful as you want not to break the law, then one day you get fined for some stupid detail you didn't even know was a legal requerinment.
When you have ten thousand silly laws, you destroy any respect for law.
There is no way I am gonna get my retirement pension out of the Spanish welfaresystem, so excuse me if I fail to comply with their nonsense.
so it's illegal to give plastic bags for free, but doesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the money charged go
No, it doesn't get funneled into any recycling program.
okay then i guess the stores make a profit by doing it.
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