While I don't think it's you doing the gating, your point address
in your origin line for this echo on your test system probably
isn't helping the matter.

Let's see what a locally posted message does.


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While I don't think it's you doing the gating, your point address
in your origin line for this echo on your test system probably
isn't helping the matter.

Curiouser and curiouser. ;)


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Hey Mike!

On Tue, Apr 21 2026 11:43:00 -0500, you wrote:

Let's see what a locally posted message does.

This one came through with CAPTEST as the BBSID again, but has your FSX point in an origin line below.

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I noticed the last message I replied to you were in the "To" field. If this one is wrong along with the other one, the above origin line was the difference.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Message gating/crosso
By: Accession to Accession on Tue Apr 21 2026 04:27 pm

Hey Mike!

On Tue, Apr 21 2026 11:43:00 -0500, you wrote:

Let's see what a locally posted message does.

This one came through with CAPTEST as the BBSID again, but has your
FSX point in an origin line below.

--- ScorpioBBS v0.31a (Linux/x86_64) * Origin: Project Scorpio
TEST (21:1/175.6)

I noticed the last message I replied to you were in the "To" field.
If this one is wrong along with the other one, the above origin
line was the difference.

Regards, Nick

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you are replying to yourself in this msg
(DOVE-Net/2 Hardware/Software Help/Hardware/Software Help)
from:Accession (VERT/PHARCYDE)

to:Accession
subject:Re: Message gating/crosso
date:Tue Apr 21 2026 04:27 pm attrib: ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

MIME-decoded UTF-8 plain-text:
Hey Mike!

On Tue, Apr 21 2026 11:43:00 -0500, you wrote:

Let's see what a locally posted message does.

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Hey Mro!

On Wed, Apr 22 2026 02:22:09 -0500, you wrote:

you are replying to yourself in this msg

Yeah, we realized that any time I reply to Mike's messages from his "Scorpio TEST" system, things don't seem to be working correctly. I don't think it's me that has the issue (as it happens via NNTP and as well as Golded, I checked). I'm wondering if (some of) his messages isn't including something that is needed, but I haven't figured it out yet.

Saw him doing some testing on Fidonet, so maybe he figured it out already.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Mike!

On Tue, Apr 21 2026 14:11:00 -0500, you wrote:

Curiouser and curiouser. ;)


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This one seemed to reply to you in Golded (tested), but here's a reply via NNTP/Thunderbird.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Mike!

On Tue, 21 Apr 2026 19:11:00 +0000, you wrote:

@MSGID: 1642.dove-hlp@723:1/0 2e4d2ec1
@REPLY: 1637.dove-hlp@723:1/0 2e4bdc7f

Curiouser and curiouser. ;)

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@PATH: 1/0 1

And here's Golded. Worked here, but something is awry with NNTP via Synchronet, as I noticed when I posted it replied to myself.

I wonder if it's because the MSGID and REPLY kludges are the same address?

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Accession!

On Wed, 22 Apr 2026 17:45:32 -0500, I wrote:

I wonder if it's because the MSGID and REPLY kludges are the same
address?

That's probably nothing.

.. and this is an on purpose reply to myself. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Message gating/crosso
By: Accession to MRO on Wed Apr 22 2026 05:44 pm

Hey Mro!

On Wed, Apr 22 2026 02:22:09 -0500, you wrote:

you are replying to yourself in this msg

Yeah, we realized that any time I reply to Mike's messages from his
"Scorpio TEST" system, things don't seem to be working correctly.
I don't think it's me that has the issue (as it happens via NNTP
and as well as Golded, I checked). I'm wondering if (some of) his
messages isn't including something that is needed, but I haven't
figured it out yet.

Saw him doing some testing on Fidonet, so maybe he figured it out
already.

Regards, Nick

... Sarcasm, because beating people up is illegal.

compare his raw msg to someone else's raw msg. that should tell you if
it's something in his msg headers,etc


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Saw him doing some testing on Fidonet, so maybe he figured it out already.

I don't think I have exactly just yet. I need to add the DOVE Sysop echo and stop testing in this one! ;)

Mike


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@MSGID: 1642.dove-hlp@723:1/0 2e4d2ec1
@REPLY: 1637.dove-hlp@723:1/0 2e4bdc7f

Curiouser and curiouser. ;)

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@PATH: 1/0 1

And here's Golded. Worked here, but something is awry with NNTP via Synchronet
as I noticed when I posted it replied to myself.

I wonder if it's because the MSGID and REPLY kludges are the same address?

While I know there is something wonky on my end, as you are the only one
having this issue, I wonder if there is not also something wonky with
NNTP via Synchronet and/or Thunderbird that is also playing a role?


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Hey Mike!

On Thu, Apr 23 2026 13:41:00 -0500, you wrote:

I don't think I have exactly just yet. I need to add the DOVE Sysop
echo and stop testing in this one! ;)

* ScorpioWeb * Project Scorpio TEST

If it helps any, this one seemed like it contained a lot more headers. Maybe my reply will actually be to you this time. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Dumas!

On Thu, Apr 23 2026 10:10:49 -0500, you wrote:

While I know there is something wonky on my end, as you are the only
one having this issue, I wonder if there is not also something wonky
with NNTP via Synchronet and/or Thunderbird that is also playing a
role?

Not sure on that one. However, while I didn't reply with Golded on those specific messages, but while I tested with it there were a few (the same ones I had issues with in NNTP) that didn't put you in the "To" field. There was only one so far that seemed to work in Golded, but not via NNTP.

Regards,
Nick

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Mike Powell wrote to Accession <=-

Saw him doing some testing on Fidonet, so maybe he figured it out already.

I don't think I have exactly just yet. I need to add the DOVE Sysop
echo and stop testing in this one! ;)

I'm curious as to why you'd want to gate DOVEnet to FTN? I thought most
BBS packages support QWK networking.



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I don't think I have exactly just yet. I need to add the DOVE Sysop
echo and stop testing in this one! ;)

* ScorpioWeb * Project Scorpio TEST

If it helps any, this one seemed like it contained a lot more headers. Maybe my
reply will actually be to you this time. ;)

The web board, where that message and this one were entered, adds no headers in QWK networked areas. Whatever headers are on it when they get to you are added after they leave here (at VERT, I would guess).

That'd also be true of my old DOS BBS that is on Dove... no headers added in QWK areas.

That does help. Sounds like no headers works.

Mike

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Hey Poindexter!

On Fri, Apr 24 2026 09:23:50 -0500, you wrote:

I'm curious as to why you'd want to gate DOVEnet to FTN? I thought
most BBS packages support QWK networking.

Most BBS packages support QWK/REP packets for offline reading, not QWK networking. Two different things, yet similar.. but not. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Mike!

On Fri, Apr 24 2026 15:54:00 -0500, you wrote:

That does help. Sounds like no headers works.

Maybe VERT is populating those headers when there are none, as you mentioned. What was the software that wasn't working sending?

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Message gating/crosso
By: Mike Powell to Accession on Fri Apr 24 2026 08:54 pm

was it your intention to reply to piondexter in dovenet general?



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Saw him doing some testing on Fidonet, so maybe he figured it out already.

I don't think I have exactly just yet. I need to add the DOVE Sysop echo and stop testing in this one! ;)

I'm curious as to why you'd want to gate DOVEnet to FTN? I thought most
BBS packages support QWK networking.

The main reason is so that FTN point nodes can participate.

That said, I only have one of those connecting currently but have at least 2 BBSes that pick it up via FTN. You would have to ask them why they'd want
it that way. :D

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Re: Re: Message gating/crosso
By: Accession to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Apr 24 2026 05:36 pm

Hey Poindexter!

On Fri, Apr 24 2026 09:23:50 -0500, you wrote:

I'm curious as to why you'd want to gate DOVEnet to FTN? I thought
most BBS packages support QWK networking.

Most BBS packages support QWK/REP packets for offline reading,
not QWK networking. Two different things, yet similar.. but not.
;)

i always wondered about this. is there ANY other bbs software
that supports qwk networking by design?


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Hey MRO!

On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 02:30:01 , you wrote:

i always wondered about this. is there ANY other bbs software
that supports qwk networking by design?

Mystic does.

I can't speak for the other newer packages out there now like Enigma, Talisman, or whatever else has come about somewhat recently, though.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Message gating/crosso
By: MRO to all on Fri Apr 24 2026 09:30 pm

i always wondered about this. is there ANY other bbs software
that supports qwk networking by design?

PCBoard was the first, though I do think it was still via add-on. But the underlying data format for messages in a QWK/REP packet originated from the PCBoard message storage format and the idea to use it for networking did not originate with Synchronet.
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Re: Message gating/crosso
By: Accession to MRO on Fri Apr 24 2026 10:00 pm

Hey MRO!

On Sat, 25 Apr 2026 02:30:01 , you wrote:

i always wondered about this. is there ANY other bbs software that supports qwk networking by design?

Mystic does.

I can't speak for the other newer packages out there now like Enigma, Talisman, or whatever else has come about somewhat recently,
though.

i wasn't really thinking about newers softwares; i'm thinking about original old school ones. i should have mentioned that.

that being said, if you are doing synchronet to synchornet the best way to
msg network is via nntp (but it sucks because subs.txt is gone). i still set it up pretty quick to futureland's msg net but i'm fast.


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I can't speak for the other newer packages out there now like Enigma, Talisman,
or whatever else has come about somewhat recently, though.

IIRC, I was able to do it with both Magicka and Talisman when I ran them.

It was supposedly built into the last version of GT Power (19.00), but I
had been using BGNET for several years by then and, since it still worked, I didn't try the built in feature much.


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