I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on
medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

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Re: Mental health disablities
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sun Sep 22 2024 05:26 pm

I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

yeah but you would have to lock them up all day to give them that treatment. and does medicine really help that issue?
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Re: Mental health disablities
By: Matthew Munson to All on Sun Sep 22 2024 17:26:00

I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

Wo is going to be with them 24 hours a day to make them take their medication? Or are you speaking of forced labotomies like "Back in the day".

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I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

There are a lot of ways I think that people should be required to get
treatment but, due to our lax treatment of mental illnesses, they never are.

Recently, the closest large (and leftist) city to me has been in a lot of trouble for what their police and jail system have been up to. However, one
of the most recent things they've been criticised for is putting people with obvious mental conditions into the local state-run psych hospital rather than into "mainstreaming programs."

IMHO, that is what the state-run hospital is there for. I see those mainstreaming programs as being the reason that people with criminal mental issues are on the streets and not locked up, so I see this practice of
putting people into the psych hospital as one of the few things they've been accused of that they are actually doing right.


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Re: Mental health disablities
By: MRO to Matthew Munson on Mon Sep 23 2024 04:44 am

I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

yeah but you would have to lock them up all day to give them that treatment. and does medicine really help that issue?

I think this is not the offical position, but when I talk to psychiatrists and psychiatric patients, my hunch feeling is that a psychiatrist job is to make it so psychiatric patients don t piss anybody off and keep drooling on a chair at some corner instead.

Schizophrenics and depresives can sometimes be kept at a functioning state with medication and therapy, but they have their highs and lows. Sometimes they go into madman mode anyway.

Regarding the question, you often see schizophrenics who are supposedly under treatment at home, but are skipping their pills on purpose. I don t think you can treat somebody who does not want to be treated without watching him too closely.


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Re: Mental health disablities
By: kk4qbn to Matthew Munson on Mon Sep 23 2024 07:21 am

I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

Wo is going to be with them 24 hours a day to make them take their medication? Or are you speaking of forced labotomies like "Back in the day".

Not that I propose this, but I guess if somebody is supposed to take a dose of meds every X hours, he could be required to report to office every X hours in order to recieve his meds under supervision, under penaulty of having a baton shoved up his ass if he does not comply.

Meaning, you don t theorically need a 24 hours watch.


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Re: Mental health disablities
By: Dumas Walker to MATTHEW MUNSON on Mon Sep 23 2024 09:57 am

I think people with unchecked schizofrenia should be required to go on medical treatment, if they have a criminal record.

There are a lot of ways I think that people should be required to get treatment but, due to our lax treatment of mental illnesses, they never are.

Recently, the closest large (and leftist) city to me has been in a lot of trouble for what their police and jail system have been up to. However, one of the most recent things they've been criticised for is putting people with obvious mental conditions into the local state-run psych hospital rather than into "mainstreaming programs."

I'm in wisconsin. if people want help they can't even get it. psychologists and psychiatrists can not earn a living here in this state. I guess it has something to do with insurance coverage and other factors. I'm no expert, I just know of people who needed help and had to go to a regular doctor who gave them pills instead.

I guess after the pandemic the need for mental health professionals has increased even more.
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Re: Mental health disablities
By: Arelor to kk4qbn on Mon Sep 23 2024 15:47:05

Not that I propose this, but I guess if somebody is supposed to take a dose > meds every X hours, he could be required to report to office every X hours i > order to recieve his meds under supervision, under penaulty of having a bato > shoved up his ass if he does not comply.

Meaning, you don t theorically need a 24 hours watch.

I just don't see that happening.. Everyone don't live in big cities with great transit options, etc. and most people with these issues are for the most part going to be the ones who either cannot drive, will not drive, or do not own a car.

They do have outpatient centers for people who need them and want them, at least in Georgia they do. Highland Rivers has a great program for Schizophrenia. My brother has Schizophrenia, I am his caretaker and yes, getting them to take their meds is the hardest part, because once the medication starts working they think they don't need it anymore. So you definatly have to watch them take it. So really what it really takes it people who care, whether that be family, friends, or visiting nurses.

A lot of these people are very good people who are just trapped in their minds because of this, It's why I really get pissed when I see people on here callingpeople "retards, Stupid" etc. My brother is a very smart, talented person, who
before he was hit with this could play any intrument put in front of him, has aphotohraphic memory, and a High IQ, the medication keeps his tendencies down
and keeps him "Normal" to where he "fits in" with everyone else, But is has awful side effects on his health, memory, and motor skills and has pretty much taken away all of his individuality, Its a lobotomy in a pill.

He had never done anything to anyone, his only "criminal" action was that he did'nt "act" normal when this all started, and it scared people, and this was in the late 80s early 90's not enough was known about it at the time, If it hasbeen today they would not have even put him on medication.

The US healthcare system is in a sad state, We need day treatment centers back (This kinda goes along the lines of what you are speaking about) They provided medication and enrichment for people who needed it. But it would be impossible to make everyone who needs it do it. there are so many.

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Wo is going to be with them 24 hours a day to make them take their medication?
Or are you speaking of forced labotomies like "Back in the day".

No lobotomies, but medication. It would be like being on probation.

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Recently, the closest large (and leftist) city to me has been in a lot of trouble for what their police and jail system have been up to. However, one of the most recent things they've been criticised for is putting people with obvious mental conditions into the local state-run psych hospital rather than
into "mainstreaming programs."

If mainstreaming programs fail, then the psych hospital would be the
place they would be. I would rather give people an opportunity to live a somewhat functional life.


I also want to make it where if you want the assistance you would be
required to have regular maintence of your health issues such as
bi-weekly checkins or appointments.


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Recently, the closest large (and leftist) city to me has been in a lot of
trouble for what their police and jail system have been up to. However, one >> of the most recent things they've been criticised for is putting people with >> obvious mental conditions into the local state-run psych hospital rather
than into "mainstreaming programs."

I'm in wisconsin. if people want help they can't even get it. psychologists and psychiatrists can not earn a living here in this state. I guess it has something to do with insurance coverage and other factors. I'm no expert, I just know of people who needed help and had to go to a regular doctor who gave
them pills instead.

I think that happens here, too, for people who don't get arrested and
thrown in a psych hospital. If your insurance covers mental health then
you can get help, otherwise maybe not.

I guess after the pandemic the need for mental health professionals has increased even more.

Indeed. Some people didn't adjust to being home all the time too well while others didn't adjust to transistioning back to "normal."


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Recently, the closest large (and leftist) city to me has been in a lot of trouble for what their police and jail system have been up to. However, on
of the most recent things they've been criticised for is putting people wit
obvious mental conditions into the local state-run psych hospital rather than into "mainstreaming programs."

If mainstreaming programs fail, then the psych hospital would be the
place they would be. I would rather give people an opportunity to live a somewhat functional life.

I would change that to "place they should be." I am not in charge, though,
and I get the impression that if mainstreaming fails, they either keep
trying it or just give up vs. hospitalization. That is, until if/when the should-be patient does something really criminal which is too late.

I also want to make it where if you want the assistance you would be
required to have regular maintence of your health issues such as
bi-weekly checkins or appointments.

Yeah, they certainly cannot let them go unsupervised. It is not at all supportive and could be dangerous.


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Wo is going to be with them 24 hours a day to make them take their medication?
Or are you speaking of forced labotomies like "Back in the day".

No lobotomies, but medication. It would be like being on probation.

A lot of people with disorders in this family wind up on medication
long-term. Long-term, there are some side effects that ultimately shorten
the person's life span. I have known two people who have been on them
since they were around 20. One of them slumped over and died at ~46 years
old, while the other is starting to have issues that will eventually likely
be fatal. He is ~50 now.

My (potentially flawed) understanding is that these medications do damage
to the parts of the brain that control the body's life support systems.


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Re: Mental health disablities
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Sep 24 2024 08:27 am

I think that happens here, too, for people who don't get arrested and
thrown in a psych hospital. If your insurance covers mental health then
you can get help, otherwise maybe not.

i looked into this like 4 years ago. these places dont want to work with insurance companies because they keep getting stiffed.

Indeed. Some people didn't adjust to being home all the time too well while others didn't adjust to transistioning back to "normal."

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I think that happens here, too, for people who don't get arrested and thrown in a psych hospital. If your insurance covers mental health then you can get help, otherwise maybe not.

i looked into this like 4 years ago. these places dont want to work with insurance companies because they keep getting stiffed.

That doesn't surprise me too much.


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