On 05-08-22 21:04, Aaron Thomas <=-
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According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid, but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid,"
she's asymptomatic.
How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting
covid" and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I wish for the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as a wake-up call for everyone:
These people know more about covid than I do. They are in on the damn hustle somehow. It makes NO sense that they are "testing positive for covid" while a dumb hillbilly like me steers clear of it for 3 years straight.
How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting covid" and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I wish for the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as a wake-up call for everyone:
I don't buy it. They're either creating this narrative:
"We got covid but we were asymptomatic because we're vaccinated."
Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of showing any symptoms.
These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some
contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected and test positive.
Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of showing any symptoms.
And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).
And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).
While it seems a little odd to me, since I now know two people who were fully vaxed but went to hospital, got put on a vent, and died anyway,
so I would expect at least one "famous Democrat" who "has COVID" to actually get a little sick.
Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.
Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.
Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.
Right, but unfortunately for peace-of-mind, I haven't heard of any such cases.
These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected and test positive.
Ok, so maybe those "mass gatherings" are what did them in. But why do they agree to it? If I were a person with any authority, I think I would demand more space from people as a precaution, but sure, maybe they get into situations where that's not possible, but too much benefit of too much doubt..
How is it that all of the most famous Democrats are "contracting covid"
and being "asymptomatic?" I don't wish symptoms on these people, but I
wish for the mysteriousness of the Democrat-asymptomatic cases to serve as
a wake-up call for everyone:
While it seems a little odd to me, since I now know two people who were fully vaxed but went to hospital, got put on a vent, and died anyway, so
I would expect at least one "famous Democrat" who "has COVID" to actually get a little sick.
Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or no symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.
I don't buy it. They're either creating this narrative: "We got covid but
we were asymptomatic because we're vaccinated."
Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.
On 05-09-22 15:17, Aaron Thomas <=-
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These politicians have broad contact with many people, with some
contacts at mass gatherings. That makes them more prone to get infected and test positive.
Ok, so maybe those "mass gatherings" are what did them in. But why do
they agree to it? If I were a person with any authority, I think I
would demand more space from people as a precaution, but sure, maybe
they get into situations where that's not possible, but too much
benefit of too much doubt..
Also, they are tested far more often than most of us. Thus, if they get infected then it gets diagnosed properly and quickly -- independent of showing any symptoms.
That may be true, but it seems like you'd be giving them too much
benefit of the doubt here. There are many Americans still doing
required weekly covid tests as an alternative to taking the vaccine. I don't think that even the top gov officials would be testing more than
1x per week, like us commoners.
And finally, the current Covid (BA-2) is more infectious than the
previous variants, but does not normally result in as severe symptoms -- especially for those who are fully vaccinated (i.e. four shots).
I'm not blaming you, but that sounds like media jargon. Covid has
always been described as "highly contagious." To me, that seems like
(not blaming you) a convenient way for the Biden administration to
weasel out of seeing more covid deaths than the previous
administration.
The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under
his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!"
But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?
I appreciate everything you've said here, but please consider the possibility that the government, top officials, and the media, have us eating at an endless lie-buffet.
Supposedly, if you get the vax you are more likely to have fewer or symptoms. Could also mean their tests were false positive.
Right, but unfortunately for peace-of-mind, I haven't heard of any such cases.
You mean you have never heard of anyone who was vaxed, got COVID, and had few or no symptoms? Sounds like these Democrats fit that category.
Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.
When Republicans have mass gatherings, Democrats and the media call them potential "super spreader" events. When Democrats have mass gatherings where lots of people actually test positive/get sick, they are simply called "mass gatherings" or "gala/red-carpet events." No bad name tags, please!
The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?
What media outlet is telling you that?
All administrations will bend the truth to support their goals. Only a few make a practice of consistent lying.
Aaron Thomas wrote to All <=-
According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid, but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid,"
she's asymptomatic.
Don't know about creating but they sure want you to know that they are vaccinated and that they are asymptomatic.
They are not only vaccinated, they are DOUBLE BOOSTED!
I just mean Democrats in general, the big names in Democrat are getting covid rampantly, all within months of each other, but luckily for them they're saying their symptoms are mild (Obama has a sore throat, Hillary has diareah.)
It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.
Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.
Famous people haven't been reporting false positives, have they? I've only heard of false positives from people that I know.
The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under
his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!"
But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?
What media outlet is telling you that?
According to Fox News (borderline fake news) NY Gov Kathy Hochul has covid, but of course, like all the other Democrats who "got covid," she's asymptomatic.
Republicans don't get Covid, they just disappear for 2-3 weeks
without an explanation.
They likely got the special batch with no nanobots in it and that doesn't alter your DNA. ;-)
On 05-10-22 12:01, Aaron Thomas <=-
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The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while
we've witnessed so much
loosening of covid safety protocols?
What media outlet is telling you that?
Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.
All administrations will bend the truth to support their goals. Only a few make a practice of consistent lying.
Absolutely! I'm glad that we're on the same page. Never let
them trick you into
neglecting your own health.
On 05-10-22 16:30, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
The media wants us to believe that Joe's got more covid deaths under his belt than Trump as a result of "it's more contagious than ever!" But how are we supposed to believe that while we've witnessed so much loosening of covid safety protocols?
What media outlet is telling you that?
That protocols are being loosened? Dang near all of them. For a
start, even if they are not talking loosened protocols, their hosts are now back to sitting right next to each other, unmasked, while their
street reporters are conducting interviews, also unmasked.
On 05-10-22 11:48, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
I just mean Democrats in general, the big names in Democrat are
getting covid rampantly, all within months of each other, but luckily
for them they're saying their symptoms are mild (Obama has a sore
throat, Hillary has diareah.)
It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.
Either I don't hear about false positives much anymore, or I stopped paying attention.
Famous people haven't been reporting false positives, have they? I've
only heard of false positives from people that I know.
Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.
And you believed him ???
I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax
and anti-mask propoganda.
It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.
They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.
Sorry -- I was responding to the first part of the statement claiming
that Biden has more deaths as a result of "it's more contagious than
ever!".
The current variant is more contagious, but so far the death rate is
much lower than the first and second waves.
It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.
They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.
On 05-11-22 13:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Sean Hannity said it on his radio show.
And you believed him ???
It's no worse than believing the narrative they fed to you:
I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax
and anti-mask propoganda.
Trump's administration funded and expedited covid-19 vaccine research.
How is that "tricking people via lies?" I go against the grain of my
party by not getting vaccinated.
On 05-11-22 13:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.
That's a successful narrative, but politicians (Biden/Obama) who are funded by attendees of the World Economic Forum (Soros,Gates,Turner)
can't be trusted, because attendees of the World Economic Forum have expressed an interest in depopulating the world, and they have the
money to do it.
People who are interested in depopulating the world are unable to
convince me to take a novel injection. (Technically this group of
people includes Biden, because he takes his orders from one or more of those attendees.)
People who intentionally mutate covid in a laboratory are also unable
to convince me to take a novel injection.
I have questions about covid and about the vaccine, and those
questions are not being answered by officials.
Neither my doctor nor my
kids' doctor recommend the covid vaccine. They don't push it on us one
bit - honestly, we've been to dozens of appointments since the advent
of the vaccine, and nobody has even offered the vaccine to us;
ONLY the
media has offered it. ("Come on down to the mass-vaccination site for a free covid vaccine!")
On 05-11-22 16:28, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Sorry -- I was responding to the first part of the statement claiming
that Biden has more deaths as a result of "it's more contagious than
ever!".
The current variant is more contagious, but so far the death rate is
much lower than the first and second waves.
Delta from last year was supposed to be the big killer, but I didn't
not check and compare it to the 2020 variant(s) so I don't know that it turned out to be that way.
On 05-11-22 16:32, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
It's great, but they should tell us where they got their vaccines & boosters at so that way we can go there and have (hopefully) the same outcomes.
They are getting the same vaccines that I and the rest of my community
are getting.
It would be interesting to know if they got J&J or Pfizer or Moderna, which is in supposed order of effectiveness, lowest to highest. So
there could be some difference between what you and I got and what they got (which I would wildly guess is not always the same brand).
Delta from last year was supposed to be the big killer, but I didn't
not check and compare it to the 2020 variant(s) so I don't know that it turned out to be that way.
I am not certain either. What I recall is that the number of infections
were higher under Delta than the original, but I don't recall info about
the comparison of the death or ICU rates.
It would be interesting to know if they got J&J or Pfizer or Moderna,
Interesting point. My four shots have all been Pfizer. I strongly
suspect that people could get which ever version they want, assuming it
is available in their area. Where I am living, they gave out Pfizer to
all residents at the same time, repeated for each of the four shots.
How is that "tricking people via lies?" I go against the grain of my party by not getting vaccinated.
Trump and his followers frequently downplayed the advise of the
scientific community in their public statements and actions, both with respect to vaccine and to masking and to social distancing. Many,
perhaps including you, took his statements and actions to heart --
refusing to get vaccinated or the rest of the recommended procedures.
OTOH, I know several Trump voters who got their vax (all doses they qualified for) as soon as they were able, also regardless of what Trump said.
If Trump, whose administration was originally pro-vax, figured out that many of his more feverant followers were anti-vax or vax-skeptical, I don't doubt that he would have changed his tune about it, especially with an election coming up.
I did. Not out of fear or anything like that, I just had to interact with peo
e who were madly driven with fear of getting near anyone who wasn't vaxxed. I
also greatly lessened the chance of hositalization and death, and I don't like
ither of those things
OTOH, I know several Trump voters who got their vax (all doses theyTrump
qualified for) as soon as they were able, also regardless of what
said.
If Trump, whose administration was originally pro-vax, figured outthat
many of his more feverant followers were anti-vax or vax-skeptical, Iwith
don't doubt that he would have changed his tune about it, especially
an election coming up.
I did. Not out of fear or anything like that, I just had to interact with people who were madly driven with fear of getting near anyone who wasn't vaxxed. It also greatly lessened the chance of hositalization and death, and I don't like either of those things - but it total I wasn't afraid of Covid, but I also wasn't afraid of the vax.
Tiny odds of death or hospitalization from Covid, even tinyer odds of death/bad stuff from the vax - it seemed hypocrytical not to be afraid of one but fear the other.
Trump put into place and actually got some deserved credit for Operation Warp Speed.
He continued to be pro-vax through the election - but I also think he would
have changed his tune and been far more forgiving of people who didn't want
it too.
I got it because of the latter, and also because I figured they would eventually make us go back to work full time. People in this part of the country seem not to honor the personal space of others much. I figure if am going to be around people like that, I need to be protected. Same reason I get the flu shot each year... I don't trust my co-workers or the random stranger at the grocery. :)
1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the
pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to get themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due to
covid. Not a tiny number at all.
Trump put into place and actually got some deserved credit for Operat Warp Speed.
Yeah. Injecting bleach (and sunlight) worked wonders.
1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to get themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due towhats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers went
covid. Not a tiny number at all.
down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.
They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? Maybe social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce flu levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!
They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? M social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!
Combined with the flu vaccination. Need to be clear there so as to avoid confusion.
On 17 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...
1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of the pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal to ge themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due to covid. Not a tiny number at all.whats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers went down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.
They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? May social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduce f levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!
i said zero because the news has been giving us misinformation aboutThey did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, redu levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!1,000,000+ dead Americans from covid since the beginning of t pandemic. Many of them needlessly, due to their own refusal t themselves vaxxed. That's right. 1 in 320 Americans dead due covid. Not a tiny number at all.whats amazing is the flu kills a lot of people but those numbers down to zero during covid time. truly amazing.
covid for years.
covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers they offer up.
they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine
to way low
numbers.
yeah social distancing really does work. people are way close.It does work, and for more than just COVID. There have been photos of people
people are way close. some
people still want to be right up against me. i live in a city where
people bump into you going past you in the grocery store.
being clean and distancing is the best way. i got sick from a vax'd guy who went to the milwaukee bucks parade.
he got everyone at work sick eventually.
they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine
No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?
they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine
No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this anot lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied you?
Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded
great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."
They did not go down to zero, but they did decline significantly. Why? social distancing and wearing masks, combined with vaccinization, reduc
levels as well as COVID levels. Imagine that!
Combined with the flu vaccination. Need to be clear there so as to avoid
confusion.
True. I was referring to an appropriate vaccination, not just any random vaccination.
they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine
No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?
do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new strains of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those vaccines are less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those is rocket science.
into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and don't need to be quite so careful.
he got everyone at work sick eventually.
Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can't mandate responsibility, can we?
they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine
No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, such as the ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this another lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have lied to you?
They may not have claimed 100%, but they claimed higher percentages (high-90's) early on that turned out not to be at all true. Their
claims were called into question even before the shots were widely available.
do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new str of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those vaccine less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those is rocket science.I know that and you know that, but most of the official claims did not include the "fine print" early on when they were trying to encourage everyone to get the shots.
We even had people in here (not you, I don't think) who continued to
claim that the original shots, as originally given, were *still* 90+% effective, even after Delta got going and it had become well known that
we would need boosters. I assume they were getting that bad information from their government or choice of press (obviously not FOX in this
case) and were not just making it up or just that stupid.
into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and do need to be quite so careful.
The vaccinated still need to be very careful. Assuming that they don't
is what caused those vaccinated people, like the Democrat politicians attending the superspreader political events, to start catching the
virus, and also...
he got everyone at work sick eventually.
Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can' mandate responsibility, can we?
... allowed the vaccinated person Jas is talking about to get his co-workers sick because he decided not to be "quite so careful" as he still should have been.
Yep, Irresponsible people are definitely a huge threat. However, we can
mandate responsibility, can we?
... allowed the vaccinated person Jas is talking about to get his co-workers sick because he decided not to be "quite so careful" as he still should have been.
What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or wear masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?
Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made that
claim.
What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or w masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?My understanding is that he had been in what could be considered a superspreader event and then returned to working in the office. Back at the time in question, my office did have restrictions on doing such
things (work from home if you can, don't come into the office). That sounds like what this guy should have done.
Ironically, this administration suggested just what you are suggesting there (no vax = no job) and some big name employers followed the suggestion. My recollection is that you were not against their idea... "they had a choice" were your words, I think.
Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounde great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke. Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never mad thatSupposedly, a lot of people are stupid about the vaccine because of what
claim.
a President said. Same rule should apply to Biden and his gaffes being taken seriously.
So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you've been l to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? The problem is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and knowingly so).
covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers the offer up.
I see. A video "someplace" showing "all" the numbers...
My employer has been understanding enough to allow me to work from home, a I don't go to the grocery store. We have groceries delivered to our doorst Kinda sucks that your fellow citizens are so unwelling to take your health into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and don' need to be quite so careful.
Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more effectiv than its constituent parts.
On 18 May 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
they go from 100% effectiveness for the vaccine
No, they don't. No credible medical or scientific authority, suc CDC, ever claimed that the vaccines were 100% effective. Is this lie you're comfortable making because you feel that others have you?
Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke. Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made claim.
Biden said "you won't get covid if you take the vaccine." It sounded great to people who were familiar with the pre-covid definition of "vaccine."
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made
that
claim.
Supposedly, a lot of people are stupid about the vaccine because of what a President said. Same rule should apply to Biden and his gaffes being take seriously.
So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you've be to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? The pro is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and knowingly so).nope, i'm not a liar.
covid for years. i have a video someplace showing all the numbers offer up.
I see. A video "someplace" showing "all" the numbers...they showed the various CNN and newspaper headlines.
My employer has been understanding enough to allow me to work from hom I don't go to the grocery store. We have groceries delivered to our do Kinda sucks that your fellow citizens are so unwelling to take your he into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and need to be quite so careful.not everyone can sit on their ass at home.
also covid vaccines dont work.
Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more effe than its constituent parts.this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.
vaccines take years to develop and test.
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke. Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never m claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!Why, because people might die?
+ don't hide and let the virus keep popping in and out.Why, because people might die?
+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.Why, because people might die?
+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.But wouldn't people have died?
it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.But wouldn't people have died?
So , if I understand you correctly, because you believe that you'vebeen l
to, it is perfecty acceptable for you to lie as well, correct? Theproblem
is, if your belief turns out to be false, then you're just lying (and
knowingly so).
nope, i'm not a liar.
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never made
claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.
also covid vaccines dont work.
Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.
Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different thingThe vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.
I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax and anti-mask propoganda.
When you have Harris and Pelosi say during press interviews that they wouldn't trust it, I don't really think you can pin the anti-vax label
on Trump.
Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't
work and could be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not sure the anti-mask label can be applied solely to Trump either.
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to *Aaron Thomas* about *"Re: AsymptoDems"*.
I do not neglect my own health, which is why I have gotten all four of
my vaccination shots. It is the previous administration that tricked people via their lies into neglecting their health with the anti-vax and anti-mask propoganda.
I'll be the first to admit that Trump would usually take both sides of
any issue, but you can't ignore the fact that it was he who got
the vaccine created in such a short period,
that a lot of
Democrats publicly said that they wouldn't take it because
it was created under Trump. When you have Harris and
Pelosi say during press interviews that they wouldn't trust
it, I don't really think you can pin the anti-vax label on
Trump.
Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't
work and could be harmful was Fauci.
Fauci repeatedly say that he
was science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-
science.
So I'm not sure the anti-mask label can be applied
solely to Trump either.
What are you going to do, disallow people who don't social distance or masks (or hey, even get vaccinated) from going to work?My understanding is that he had been in what could be considered a superspreader event and then returned to working in the office. Back at the time in question, my office did have restrictions on doing such things (work from home if you can, don't come into the office). That sounds like what this guy should have done.
Still, though, what are they going to do? Those sound more like (possibly strong) suggestions rather than requirements.
things would have been better if we did NOTHING.
such as :
+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!
+ don't hide and let the virus keep popping in and out.
+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.
+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.
it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke.
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
Nope. Prove it.
+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!Why, because people might die?
+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge events.Why, because people might die?
+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their time at home depot or walmart.But wouldn't people have died?
it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick and naturally immune.But wouldn't people have died?
How is it that putting COVID patients in nursing homes with the elderly is bad, but putting COVID patients in contact with the general population so that people "get sick and naturally immune" is good?
And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them more comfortable mixing with each other bad?
I'll be the first to admit that Trump would usually take both sides of any iss
, but you can't ignore the fact that it was he who got the vaccine created in ch a short period, that a lot of Democrats publicly said that they wouldn't ta
it because it was created under Trump. When you have Harris and Pelosi say d
ing press interviews that they wouldn't trust it, I don't really think you can
in the anti-vax label on Trump.
Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't work and uld be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was science, and anyon
who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not sure the anti-mask label c
be applied solely to Trump either.
also covid vaccines dont work.
Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.
Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is more than its constituent parts.this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.
It's considerably more effective than 0%.
vaccines take years to develop and test.
Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.
On 19 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He missp Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers ne claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
Nope. Prove it.
Either everybody mixing with everybody is bad, or it is good. Which is it?
And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them more comfortable mixing with each other bad?
Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.
Hello Jas,
[..]
Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He misspoke
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers never
claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
Prove it.
Hello Jas,
[..]
it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick a naturally immune.
Do nothing. Let people get sick and die. Helluva solution.
May you RIP.
That's not exactly what they said, though. They said they would not
trust it strictly on Trump's word but would require assurances from the scientific and medical community. Once those assurances were given, they were vaccinated.
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also covid vaccines dont work.
Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.
The vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.
do go down over time, which is why boosters are needed; and two, new
strains of the virus have appeared since the original vaccines and those
vaccines are less effective against the newer variants. Neither of those
is rocket science.
We even had people in here (not you, I don't think) who continued to
claim that the original shots, as originally given, were still 90+% effective, even after Delta got going and it had become well known that
we would need
boosters. I assume they were getting that bad information from their government or choice of press (obviously not FOX in this case) and were not just making it up or just that stupid.
into account. Then again, maybe most of them have been vaccinated and
don't need to be quite so careful.
The vaccinated still need to be very careful. Assuming that they don't
is
what caused those vaccinated people, like the Democrat politicians attending the superspreader political events, to start catching the
virus, and also...
Secondly, the first administration official to say that masks didn't
work and could be harmful was Fauci. Fauci repeatedly say that he was
science, and anyone who disagreed with him was anti-science. So I'm not
sure the anti-mask label can be applied solely to Trump either.
That's not what Fauci said at all. He said, at a time when masks were in short supply, that they were better left for the medical community. He never said that masks didn't work, and he never said that they could be harmful.
Still, though, what are they going to do? Those sound more like (possibl strong) suggestions rather than requirements.Strong suggestions, yes. I really don't know what they could have done
to punish anyone, BUT they did offer free sick leave for at least the first year to year-and-a-half after COVID hit and, also the incentive of extra days of WFH if you were not dealing with symptoms. The WFH is
still an option.
Which raises a question. The original selling point of MRNA technology vaccin
was that it could be quickly adjusted to deal with new strains and variations
Yet they haven't done that, and I wonder why, instead of recommending "booste
" of the same variation.
it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.
The Democrats were just trying to maintain the narrative that "there's no cure" and that "life will never return to normal ever again" and that "this is
what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."
I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links to various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading / misspoken claims.
More people, in the nursing homes, did die because governments did just this.+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!Why, because people might die?
events.+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge
Why, because people might die?Vaccinated people have died.
If they spent their time in the big box stores, that were not closed during lockdowns, and got COVID, they might very well have died.+ we shouldnt have had lockdowns and then people spent all their ti home depot or walmart.But wouldn't people have died?
They died anyway.it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick naturally immune.But wouldn't people have died?
How is it that putting COVID patients in nursing homes with the elderly bad, but putting COVID patients in contact with the general population s that people "get sick and naturally immune" is good?By your own stated opinion, Fauci did not mislead or misspeak. Fauci
said that the elderly were at high risk. Putting COVID patients in contact with the elderly in nursing homes (where, in addition to being elderly, they are more likely to have additional health risks), even
after Fauci said they were at greater risk, is very much different than putting them in contact with the general population.
I am surprised you don't seem to see that. I don't think either is a great idea, but I can also see the difference and that one is worse.
And if it's good, then how is giving people a vaccine that makes them mo comfortable mixing with each other bad?If they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions, something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the government), then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you be more comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's face and filling one's social calendar.
This also. There is another discussion in this echo about how Fauci
never mislead or misspoke, but he sure did about masks. Ironically,
both he and Trump later said they did so in order to prevent everyone
from hoarding masks that essential workers needed. Fauci gets a pass
for doing so, while Trump does not.
it's worse than 0%It's considerably more effective than 0%.Nothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is than its constituent parts.this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has
an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.
never in a million years.vaccines take years to develop and test.Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.
just look up everything he's said in the past 2 years.yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.Nope. Prove it.
and the cdc and everyone else. there is your proof.
Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.nope my solution would have worked.
That's not exactly what they said, though. They said they would not trust it strictly on Trump's word but would require assurances from t scientific and medical community. Once those assurances were given, t were vaccinated.The Democrats were just trying to maintain the narrative that "there's no cure" and that "life will never return to normal ever again" and that "this is what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."
The vaccine doesn't vaccinate. Other than that, it's a great product.And then there's the side effects. The many, many side effects. Mostly seen in young males. But that's probably because it impacts females in the reproductive system - and the effects won't be seen for a while yet.
Gee, it sounds like he said exactly that.
Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.nope my solution would have worked.
Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would
healthcare workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good?
what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."
That narrative has oddly changed once midterms and other reelections started approaching. Politicians who were more strict with lockdowns
when Trump was President started touting normalcy, dropping mask wearing requirements, etc., even when COVID case numbers started going back up.
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The VAERS database is not a list of known side effects, but a list of adverse effects that may or may not be related to the vaccines. Zero causality can be inferred from inclusion in the VAERS database.
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it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine. I know people
who have these serious problems after being vaccinated. a coworker has
an enlarged heart and he can't do his job.
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Which raises a question. The original selling point of MRNA technology vaccines was that it could be quickly adjusted to deal with new strains and variations. Yet they haven't done that, and I wonder why, instead
of recommending "boosters" of the same variation.
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Now just so happens to be a convenient time to ignore covid statistics
and brag about a success story that never actually happened.
Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineffective, or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in
short supply. Once they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.
"this is what you get when you have a lousy president like Trump."
That's not what they said, either. And they took the vaccine as soon as
it was scientifically and medically endorsed, just as they said they would.
On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links t various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading / misspoken claims.
Did Fauci tell people not to wear masks at one time? Yes.
Did Fauci explain his reasoning at the time? Yes.
Was that reasoning because masks don't work? No.
Was that reasoning because masks are dangerous? No.
Was that reasoning because masks were in short supply and were more needed medical professionals? Yes.
On 21 May 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
This also. There is another discussion in this echo about how Fauci never mislead or misspoke, but he sure did about masks. Ironically, both he and Trump later said they did so in order to prevent everyone from hoarding masks that essential workers needed. Fauci gets a pass for doing so, while Trump does not.
Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineffecti or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in short supply. Once they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.
COVID, too, and at a much higher rate.
never in a million years.vaccines take years to develop and test.Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great enough.
And yet, they were.
On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...
just look up everything he's said in the past 2 years.yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.Nope. Prove it.
and the cdc and everyone else. there is your proof.
Nice try, but no. You don't have anything specific, do you?
On 21 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...
Your "solution" has some basic logic flaws.nope my solution would have worked.
It would have been an unmitigated disaster. Literally. Not even Trump was dumb enough to go for that.
misspoke.Biden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He
Fauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers
never
claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
Nope. Prove it.
I think we had this conversation a long time ago. I provided links to various government websites that proved that even Fauci has made misleading
/ misspoken claims.
+ dont put covid patients in nursing homes with the elderly. WTF!!
Why, because people might die?
More people, in the nursing homes, did die because governments did just this.
events.+ dont assume some bullshit vaccine works and then go out to huge
Why, because people might die?
Vaccinated people have died.
also covid vaccines dont work.
Not being 100% effective and not working are two very different things.
moreNothing is 100% effective. Any combination of precautions is
than its constituent parts.
this vaccine certainly isnt effective at all.
It's considerably more effective than 0%.
it's worse than 0%
you can have serious side effects from the vaccine.
misspokeBiden is not a credible medical or scientific authority. He
neverFauci, the CDC, vaccine researchers, and vaccine manufacturers
claim.
yes fauci did and everyone you listed did.
Prove it.
it would have been better if we did nothing and let people get sick a
naturally immune.
Do nothing. Let people get sick and die. Helluva solution.
May you RIP.
it's not doing nothing. we have immune systems.
and in the end our immune systems are what saved us from covid.
i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.
even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.
After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worked.
That's not what they said, either. And they took the vaccine as soon it was scientifically and medically endorsed, just as they said they would.Yes but Trump wasn't telling people to take the vaccine prematurely. He was just telling people "the vaccine is on the way." People like Kamala and Cuomo were just twisting stuff around, quite similarly to the way
the media does.
"There's no hope."
"There's no vaccine."
"Trump is trying to get your hopes up so he can win his election."
Democrats prey on positive energy and they convert it to negative
energy. The media has most of us programmed to receive and to respond accordingly to these negative attitudes.
What kind of a leader wishes to tell people "There's no vaccine on the
way - there's NO HOPE?" A leader like Kamala!
fauci has said everything. he's a liar.
masks were not in short supply.
everything fauci says is a lie.
don't worship false gods.
`Fauci did not mislead about masks. He did not say that they were ineff or that they were dangerous. He said that they were in short supply. O they were more readily available, but strongly suggested their use.he did lie about masks. he said that we didn't need them.
this is on video.
i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.
even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.
Nice try, but no. You don't have anything specific, do you?
it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.
i've been paying attention. you have not.
everything we did was a disaster.nope my solution would have worked.It would have been an unmitigated disaster. Literally. Not even Trump dumb enough to go for that.
After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worke
BS.
They quite clearly said that that wouldn't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.
It's a big stretch from "this one thing Fauci said was a lie" to "everything Fauci says is a lie," but that is the position you've chosen to take. It is unteneble.
You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron
attack?
They quite clearly said that that wouldn't take the vaccine on Trump' word alone.Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.
It's a big stretch from "this one thing Fauci said was a lie" to "everything Fauci says is a lie," but that is the position you've cho to take. It is unteneble.It's not a big stretch; when you catch someone lying, it destroys their reputation. When broadcast tv gets interrupted for an important word
from the white house, and it turns out to be BS, and after there's been
no correction and/or update, you'd have to be pretty damn brainwashed to kneel down for another load of it.
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it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.
i've been paying attention. you have not.
COVID, too, and at a much higher rate.
vaccines take years to develop and test.
enough.Apparently they can be fast-tracked if the need is great
never in a million years.
And yet, they were.
i can piss in a jar and call it a vaccine for covid.
and it would be just as effective.
even your god fauci said vaccines take years to develop and test.
it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.
Seriously, Jeff is an Ignorant Leftie Elite. For these people, their Narrative is "true" and any fact that counters that is false.
You can't argue with him and you can't discuss anything with him. He's been throughly innoculated against facts that violate the Narrative.
And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever,
ever admit that they were wrong.
i've been paying attention. you have not.Oh, he's been paying attention. He just willfully ignores any fact that he doesn't like.
Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alone.
That was the situation at the time. It changed, their response changed.
BS. Fauci didn't lie. Even more preposterous is the statement that "everything he said was a lie," especially when one is trying to use Fauci's own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to prove a "truth."
And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever, ever admit that they were wrong.
Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the last time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?
"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrative.Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word aloneThat was the situation at the time. It changed, their response change
Harris and the other creatures saw the vaccine as a threat to their livelihood. They weren't ready for covid to be over, not just because Trump hadn't been removed yet, but also because they were not finished playing God.
Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid
crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear the
masks that Trump made people wear."
BS. Fauci didn't lie. Even more preposterous is the statement that "everything he said was a lie," especially when one is trying to use Fauci's own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiven of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fa quote to prove a "truth."Not everything he said was a lie, but after getting caught lying, all of his preceding comments have depreciated in value.
Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar later. You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, e ever admit that they were wrong.Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the l time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?
By your own stated opinion, Fauci did not mislead or misspeak. Fauci said that the elderly were at high risk. Putting COVID patients in contact with the elderly in nursing homes (where, in addition to being elderly, they are more likely to have additional health risks), even after Fauci said they were at greater risk, is very much different than putting them in contact with the general population.
Not all of the elderly are in nursing homes.
I don't think it was a good idea, either, but the whole suggestion that we should have just let it run its course is absurd. The only justification for it being a better solution is that it's the exact opposite of everything we tried to do. Criticizing putting COVID patients into nursing homes actually makes sense, because it assumes that the goal is to minimize deaths. That is in stark contrast to the rest of this "solution," which seems focused not on saving lives but in "sticking it to the man."
If they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions, something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the government), then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you be more
comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's
face and filling one's social calendar.
However, the vaccine is not a placebo. But according to this "solution," it might as well be, because the goal is to get as many people exposed to it as possible, right?
That narrative has oddly changed once midterms and other reelections started approaching. Politicians who were more strict with lockdowns when Trump was President started touting normalcy, dropping mask wearing requirements, etc., even when COVID case numbers started going back up.
I think you're right. The current narrative implies that "vaccines and booster
make people impervious to covid" and that "Joe and other socialists have restored normal life."
Now just so happens to be a convenient time to ignore covid statistics and brag about a success story that never actually happened.
Gee, it sounds like he said exactly that.
He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around with masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? His comments are being taken out of context.
Just more leftie misdirection. Gotta keep the sheeple from learning that the jab kills - and does nothing to prevent COVID.
Anyone who intentionally mutates SARS ahead of the pandemic, tests it's deadliness out on beagle pups, sure sounds like a guy who knows his stuff.
After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worked.
BS.
You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron attack?
Perhaps he did. That does not infer that masks are ineffective.
own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of masks. If everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to prove a "truth."
I don't think it was a good idea, either, but the whole suggestion that should have just let it run its course is absurd. The only justification it being a better solution is that it's the exact opposite of everything tried to do. Criticizing putting COVID patients into nursing homes actua makes sense, because it assumes that the goal is to minimize deaths. Tha in stark contrast to the rest of this "solution," which seems focused no saving lives but in "sticking it to the man."Sticking it to "the man" usually means people with money, or the government, or both. I don't see where keeping everything open sticks it to the first group. I also don't see where it really sticks it to the second group, other than it being in spite of the course of action they actually took.
It is not a placebo. On the other hand, if everyone is going to treatIf they then use it as an excuse to stop taking other precautions, something they are doing (and were encouraged to do by the governme then it is certainly not good. The shot was supposed to help you b moreHowever, the vaccine is not a placebo. But according to this "solution," might as well be, because the goal is to get as many people exposed to i possible, right?
comfortable mixing, while observing other precations, when it was necessary, not to give you an excuse for returning to being in everyone's
face and filling one's social calendar.
the shot not as how it was intended (help you be more confortable
mixing, while observing other precautions, when necessary) but instead
as an excuse for filling one's social calendar like there is no problem, then I don't see too much of a difference between his "solution" and
what is happening.
He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around w masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would health workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? H comments are being taken out of context.Sounds more like you are putting them into the context that suits your argument. Healthcare workers usually need masks so as to protect vulnerable patients from anything the worker might have. The idea that healthcare workers need masks is not new to post-COVID times.
"There is no reason for people to be walking around with masks" indicates that there is NO reason. Except, later, he admitted that there was a reason. No does mean no, right?
it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.
Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.
He actually did, at one point, suggest wearing multiple masks. IAfter he designed and released the omnicron variant he began tellin people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It worBS.
remember that. I also remember asking you if you were following his advice. You said no because you were not going out at all.
No, but it might infer that he was, at that moment, of the belief that a single mask alone was not.You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron attack?Perhaps he did. That does not infer that masks are ineffective.
own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of mask everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to pro "truth."Other than to prove that he did say it.
Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basemen because he can't get a real job and move out.Wow! Out of arguments already! That was quick!
"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrativNobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's wordThat was the situation at the time. It changed, their response c
No, it wasn't.
Not everything he said was a lie, but after getting caught lying, all his preceding comments have depreciated in value.
Nope. Every statement is either true or false. And Fauci didn't lie.
Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar lat You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)
I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort into decoding it.
back in the other direction, and only this administration will be able to save us from the horrible COVID and return us back (again) to "normal."
Our state was totally "green" for a while, but that is starting to trend the other way again. I find it somewhat ironic, since most people should
Anyone who intentionally mutates SARS ahead of the pandemic, tests it's deadliness out on beagle pups, sure sounds like a guy who knows his stuf
The puppy tests were with some sort of fly/gnats and not with SARS/COVID.
Bogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to take the vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you'll never answer.No, it wasn't."I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narNobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump'sThat was the situation at the time. It changed, their respo
Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.
I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort decoding it.I don't know for a fact that you guys are an alien race from another planet, but you (ie you, Al, the media, hollywood, democrats) are a collective; you all defend everything each that that each part of the collective does.
collective does. To me that's weird. Do you see conservatives doing that too? I sure don't.
True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but
let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same
way you do?
My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong
Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basements?
True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, bu let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?Fauci has admitted to creating some variants, so it's very tempting to blame him for all variants.
My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basemenIt's a regional thing. We have basements up north, and they're typically used for storage or for utilities, but some guys run their BBSs on a computer in the basement, and they get picked on for never emerging from the basement. It's become a common phrase for us at least since the 90s.
I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned the hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle in the "basement of the Alamo."
Bogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to take vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you'll n answer."I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a boguNo, it wasn't.
They were answering a hypothetical question with a hypothetical answer.
collective does. To me that's weird. Do you see conservatives doing t too? I sure don't.
Absolutely I do, man. Right now there's a little bit of a civil war
going on in the GOP, but under normal circumstances, yeah. You'll defend every lie Trump ever told.
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spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telling people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's
an expert. It worke
BS.
You didn't hear him saying to wear 2 masks during the big omnicron
attack?
On 05-23-22 09:08, Ron L. <=-
spoke to Jas Hud about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
it's not my fault you have been living under a rock.
Jeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's basement because he can't get a real job and move out.
Seriously, Jeff is an Ignorant Leftie Elite. For these
people, their Narrative
is "true" and any fact that counters that is false.
You can't argue with him and you can't discuss anything with him.
He's been throughly innoculated against facts that violate the
Narrative.
And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will
never, ever, ever admit
that they were wrong.
i've been paying attention. you have not.
Oh, he's been paying attention. He just willfully ignores any fact
that he doesn't like.
On 05-23-22 23:56, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Not everything he said was a lie, but after
getting caught lying, all
his preceding comments have depreciated in value.
Nope. Every statement is either true or false. And Fauci didn't lie.
Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.
They said, "Yes, under the right circumstances, and no, under the wrong circumstances." And then followed through with it.Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's word that it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you take the vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "No."They were answering a hypothetical question with a hypothetical answeBogus is the best word to describe it. Who was telling people to vaccine ahead of it being released? That's the question that you answer."I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was aNo, it wasn't.
Either/or.Me personally or just those in office?collective does. To me that's weird. Do you see conservatives do too? I sure don't.Absolutely I do, man. Right now there's a little bit of a civil war going on in the GOP, but under normal circumstances, yeah. You'll def every lie Trump ever told.
You're right about a civil war;Not currently, but you have before and you're striving for one now. Every
we don't have a collective.
We also don't have the media,Until you went bat-crap crazy, you had Fox News fairly reliably.
we don't haveInteresting example to pull out of the blue.
teachers' unions,
we don't have celebrities,You have a few, but their views aren't very popular with the American public. Go figure.
and we don't have sugarOh, no? Think again, Sherlock.
daddies.
Fauci has admitted to creating some variants, so it's very tempting t blame him for all variants.
Tempting, perhaps, but not very logical. Thomas Edison invented some things; is it tempting to credit him with inventing everything?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned the hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle
in the "basement of the Alamo."
Tempting, perhaps, but not very logical. Thomas Edison invented some things; is it tempting to credit him with inventing everything?That's hilarious! No, it was probably the OTHER mad scientist who
mutates SARS viruses!
I get it that there's no basements in Texas. Pee Wee Herman learned t hard way when he was fooled into believing that he'd find his bicycle in the "basement of the Alamo."Maybe that's why Jeff is so frustrated all the time. He's still running around looking for his Mom's basement. :)
Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some
of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.
Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's word th it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you take th vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "No."They said, "Yes, under the right circumstances, and no, under the wrong circumstances." And then followed through with it.
That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, so of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminally, and that people make inferences from attitudes.Nobody was asking them "Would you take the vaccine on Trump's wo it's safe?" They were asking them plain and simple: "Will you ta vaccine?" They could have said "Yea" but they basically said "NoThey said, "Yes, under the right circumstances, and no, under the wro circumstances." And then followed through with it.
The subliminal message I got from Kamala was: "No. I won't take it. Trump thinks people should drink bleach. We will never have a safe vaccine
until Democrats are back in power first."
Would it be crazy for me to think that American liberals didn't hear it that way also?
Providing the virus with easily-invadable hosts in which to mutate is
not the same thing as "designing" a variant. But you knew that.
I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminally, a that people make inferences from attitudes.
They did not say what you're claiming they said, subliminally or otherwise.
basemenJeff has not been living under a rock. He lives in his mom's
because he can't get a real job and move out.
Wow! Out of arguments already! That was quick!
My mom doesn't have a basement, any more than the Comet Ping Pong Pizzaria does. What's the right's obsession with non-existent basements?
Providing the virus with easily-invadable hosts in which to mutate is not the same thing as "designing" a variant. But you knew that.Vaccinated hosts are easily invadable too, but you knew that.
Are you an attorney? I bet you say that in court a lot and I bet it irritates people! :) "You robbed your own house and shot yourself
because you wanted to make the defendant look guilty, because he's
black, but you knew that."
"Objection!" :)
When you say "they," we lose track of who we're talking about. Maybe Hillary didn't say it that way, but Andrew Cuomo and Kamala both did.I wish you could understand that people take messages subliminal that people make inferences from attitudes.They did not say what you're claiming they said, subliminally or otherwise.
They acted snotty about the vaccine instead of acting grateful, and if
you can ever wrap your head around that, you'll realize how despicable they are for trying to shatter the hopes of all the American people (children, disabled people, elderly people) of returning to normal again some day.
It was absolutely disgusting. All just to protect or preserve
reptilian power.
He said, "right now, there's no reason for people to be walking around masks." He also mentioned healthcare workers needing masks. Why would healthcare workers need masks if they were ineffective? Why would healtSounds more like you are putting them into the context that suits your argument. Healthcare workers usually need masks so as to protect vulnerable patients from anything the worker might have. The idea that healthcare workers need masks is not new to post-COVID times.
workers need masks if they were dangerous, or did more harm than good? comments are being taken out of context.
So wait, you're saying that masks help prevent the spread of disease??? Whoda thunk!?!?
"There is no reason for people to be walking around with masks" indicates
that there is NO reason. Except, later, he admitted that there was a reason. No does mean no, right?
He meant what he said in the context of a mask shortage, and again later in the absence of a mask shortage.
He actually did, at one point, suggest wearing multiple masks. I remember that. I also remember asking you if you were following his advice. You said no because you were not going out at all.After he designed and released the omnicron variant he began telliBS.
people to "wear 2 masks." I listened to him. He's an expert. It wo
True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it that you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but let Aaron slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?
own the truth of Fauci's own "lies" to prove the ineffectiveness of masOther than to prove that he did say it.
everything Fauci said was a lie, then one can't use a Fauci quote to pr
"truth."
Nonsense.
Our state was totally "green" for a while, but that is starting to trend the other way again. I find it somewhat ironic, since most people should
The same is happening here, at least in certain counties, but the media isn't talking about it.
"I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narrative.Nobody was asking them to take the vaccine on Trump's word alonThat was the situation at the time. It changed, their response chang
No, it wasn't.
Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear the masks that Trump made people wear."
No, it's not. No one is saying any of that, except that the federal response to the pandemic is concluded. Why do you want the government telling people that they have to wear masks? Are you afraid of something?
Jeff, you messed up: You were supposed to pre-emptively accuse the conservative way in advance, that way they can look like the liar later. You're letting him beat you at your own game! ;)And no matter how many facts you bring up, Lefties will never, ever admit that they were wrong.Are you sure you're not describing yourself here, Ron? When was the time you admitted that any part of your narrative du jour was wrong?
I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort into decoding it.
Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.
Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is
false.
Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
True, but he did not "design and release the omicron variant." Why is it you'll point out to me that he did suggest wearing two masks, but let Aa slide on his outright lies? Is it because he votes the same way you do?I actually don't know for certain that he does. Although it is obvious
we have not lately, I am not certain that you and I don't sometimes also.
It may very well not have been for some, but I also don't think it is bogus for all. You could take what some said, claim it was from last Summer and lead people to believe they were part of that anti-vax crowd, especially the talking heads on talk/news shows."I won't take the vaccine on Trump's word alone" was a bogus narratNo, it wasn't.
Aaron has never been anti-mask that I remember. Quite the opposite, at least here. They certainly should have not yet told people it was ok to no longer wear them, if they were vaxed, which they have.Now the narrative is "Biden did such a great job solving the covid crisis that it's no longer a pandemic and you don't have to wear th masks that Trump made people wear."No, it's not. No one is saying any of that, except that the federal resp to the pandemic is concluded. Why do you want the government telling pe that they have to wear masks? Are you afraid of something?
I have no idea what you're talking about. But then again, you see lizard-people everywhere, so I'm not inclined to put too much effort int decoding it.Maybe he is a Dr. Who fan?
On 05-24-22 14:54, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some
of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
On 05-24-22 17:59, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Lying and making false statements is the same thing in my opinion.
Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is
false.
That is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had others
tell me it is making any statement that is false even if you believe it
to be true.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
Didn't you realize what your BS is?
It is the claim that Fauci designed and released the omnicron variant. That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, some
of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
The subliminal message I got from Kamala was: "No. I won't take it.
Trump thinks people should drink bleach. We will never have a safe
vaccine until Democrats are back in power first."
Would it be crazy for me to think that American liberals didn't hear it that way also?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
When you say "they," we lose track of who we're talking about. Maybe Hillary didn't say it that way, but Andrew Cuomo and Kamala both did.
They acted snotty about the vaccine instead of acting grateful
Lee Lofaso wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Ajax bought out Comet
Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is false.
That is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had others
tell me it is making any statement that is false even if you believe it to be true.
So don't believe everything others tell you.
I think you did know that, but were trying some stupid argument about Fauci "designing" the virus or something.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
That is also BS. People who were not being careful, regardless of vaccination status, were helping the mutations spread.
If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want the government to tell others to wear masks, that's where the problem comes in.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
I had not heard that one, but there is some truth to it. The
unvaccinated are helping/allowing Covid to survive and by surviving, it creates variants.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
When the facts get to a undenyable level, the Lefties just drop their old assertations and pretend that they never said them.
That statement is just nonsense. Covid produces its own variants, so of which survive and become dominant. Nobody designed omnicron.
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the unvaccinated are causing the variants?"
That's what he just said. From what I understand, the longer a virus
That sounds more like Republican thinking - stonewall *everything* to
deny your political opponents any successes, while throwing the
American people under the bus in the name of partisan politics.
When you say "they," we lose track of who we're talking about. Maybe Hillary didn't say it that way, but Andrew Cuomo and Kamala both did. They acted snotty about the vaccine instead of acting grateful
Flashbacks to Trump denying aid to states that "weren't nice to
him"...
I think you did know that, but were trying some stupid argument about Fauci "designing" the virus or something.Fauci admitted to intentionally mutating SARS viruses (for research) and Biden refuses to investigate COVID's origins. It's become obvious that COVID is man made. Connecting the dots isn't hard to do.
Jeff Thiele Law Offices: "But you *knew* that!" :) (perfect slogan!)
If you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want the government t tell others to wear masks, that's where the problem comes in.Thank Fauci for that. He's the one who said "Masks protect others, not
the person wearing the mask."
So telling people "Wear a mask if you want to!" doesn't help. To prevent the spread, EVERYONE needs to wear a mask (according to Fauci's logic in 2020.)
What about the vaccinated people who are infected? Are they not helping covid survive also?
On 05-25-22 17:27, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Not true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it is false.
That is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had others tell me it is making any statement that is false even if you believe it to be true.
So don't believe everything others tell you.
Sort of hard to do when they are yelling at you for "lying" by that definition. :O
On 05-25-22 18:22, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Are you sure? What ever happened to "the
unvaccinated are causing the
variants?"
I had not heard that one, but there is some truth to it. The
unvaccinated are helping/allowing Covid to survive and by surviving, it creates variants.
What about the vaccinated people who are infected? Are they not
helping covid survive also?
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-
What about the vaccinated people who are infected? Are they not helping covid survive also?
What about the vaccinated people who are infected? Are they not helpi covid survive also?There is no COVID vaccine.
The jabbed people got, at best, a theraputic for the variant their jab
was for. At the cost of potential very harmful side effects, one of
which was to make them more suseptable to the variants.
isNot true. Lying is making a false statement and *knowing* that it
false.
othersThat is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had
believe ittell me it is making any statement that is false even if you
to be true.
So don't believe everything others tell you.
Sort of hard to do when they are yelling at you for "lying" by that
definition. :O
Half the time those yelling at you have no idea what the truth is. In
all cases, if you truely believe that you are telling the truth then you do not need to converse with them further until they provide evidence
that your statement is false.
That is what I always thought lying was, too, but I have had others tell me it is making any statement that is false even if you believe i
to be true.
So don't believe everything others tell you.
Sort of hard to do when they are yelling at you for "lying" by that definition. :O
Half the time those yelling at you have no idea what the truth is. In
all cases, if you truely believe that you are telling the truth then you
do not need to converse with them further until they provide evidence
that your statement is false.
On 05-26-22 15:56, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: AsymptoDems <=-
Sort of hard to do when they are yelling at you for "lying" by that definition. :O
Half the time those yelling at you have no idea what the truth is. In
all cases, if you truely believe that you are telling the truth then you
do not need to converse with them further until they provide evidence
that your statement is false.
Sounds like you are not married. :)
Actually, I have been married to the same woman for 3 score plus 3
years.
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