• House Bill

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Thursday, June 09, 2022 03:49:48
    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-automatic gun purchases?

    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change anything. Am I missing something? Just because 2 18 year olds bought the guns and did the shootings, that means the answer to the problem is raise the legal age to 21?

    That sounds pretty weak to me! It also sounds incredibly suspicious. We've
    seen mass shootings carried out by older adults before too, so it's not like this is going to solve the problem.

    But what if the senate passes the bill? Then, if there are no more mass shootings between now and November, then Democrats will get a pat on the back on election day? Like they fixed the problem?

    That's all they care about.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, June 09, 2022 13:19:53
    On 09 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for
    semi-automatic gun purchases?

    It's about the only thing Senate Republicans *might* go for. It's still very doubtful, though.

    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change anything.

    What do you suggest?

    Am I missing something? Just because 2 18 year olds bought the guns and did the shootings, that means the answer to the problem is raise the
    legal age to 21?

    There were more incidents than just those two shootings.

    But hey, Matt Gaetz says that 18-year-olds need AR-15s to protect themselves during the "mid-term violence." What "mid-term violence?" The only election-related violence we've has has been from conservatives. So is he saying that 18-year-olds will need AR-15s to protect themselves from conservative violence if the mid-terms don't go conservatives' way?

    That sounds pretty weak to me! It also sounds incredibly suspicious.

    It's all that Republicans will allow, if even that.

    We've seen mass shootings carried out by older adults before too, so
    it's not like this is going to solve the problem.

    "More guns" and "thoughts & prayers" certainly haven't solved it.

    But what if the senate passes the bill? Then, if there are no more mass shootings between now and November, then Democrats will get a pat on the back on election day? Like they fixed the problem?

    5 months of no mass shootings sounds like a win to me! The US has already had
    4 in the last 5 months.

    That's all they care about.

    Nope.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, June 09, 2022 18:28:00
    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-automatic gun purchases?

    If they also raise the minimum age to vote, and to be drafted, to 21 I am
    all for it. Otherwise, no.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 10, 2022 02:01:18
    Hello Aaron,

    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-automatic gun purchases?

    It's a start. A baby step, but still a start.

    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change anything.

    I agree. Much more does need to be done. But we have to start
    somewhere. So why wait? Best to do something now, so at least some
    mass shootings might be avoided.

    Am I missing something?

    Plenty.

    Just because 2 18 year olds bought the guns and did the shootings, that means the answer to the problem is raise the legal age to 21?

    The 18 year-old who shot 19 children dead, along with 2 adults,
    legally bought two AR-15s along with high capacity magazines (fully
    loaded) to do his deeds. He had no criminal record, and no signs of
    mental illness. Had he not been allowed to legally buy the weapons
    he used due to age, the people he killed in cold blood would likely
    still be alive today.

    That sounds pretty weak to me!

    Not to those parents who lost their children. Not to those who
    lost their loved ones. Doing nothing to put an end to easy access
    to guns only means more innocent people (including children) will
    die.

    It also sounds incredibly suspicious.

    All gun manufacturers want is to sell more guns. They do not care
    about people, or how many die at the hands of murderers who buy those
    guns. The only way to stop that madness is to keep murderers from
    easily getting the guns they use.

    We've seen mass shootings carried out by older adults before too, so it's not like this is going to solve the problem.

    Assault style weapons (such as AR-15s) and large capacity magazines
    should not be sold to civilians at all, regardless of age. Raising the
    minimum age is a start, a baby step, in the right direction.

    But what if the senate passes the bill?

    President Biden would be happy to sign it into law.

    Then, if there are no more mass shootings between now and November, then Democrats will get a pat on the back on election day?

    Speaker Pelosi will not stop with just one piece of legislation.
    And neither will Senate Majority Leader Schumer. Knowing they got
    the ball rolling, they will keep it rolling until all dangerous
    guns have been rounded up and our nation's schoolchilren are safe.

    Like they fixed the problem?

    Look on the bright side. Walking sticks are for mobility, not
    for fighting. Although those grannies sure know how to use them
    for poking.

    That's all they care about.

    Don't kid yourself. Those walking sticks are very dangerous when
    in the hands of little old ladies ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Friday, June 10, 2022 02:01:32
    [..]

    If they also raise the minimum age to vote, and to be drafted,
    to 21 I am all for it. Otherwise, no.

    AMENDMENT XXVI

    Passed by Congress March 23, 1971.
    Ratified July 1, 1971.

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are
    eighteen years or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged
    by the United States or by any State because of age.

    Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article
    by appropriate legislation.

    Mike Powell, eat your shorts.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 10, 2022 07:48:00
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-automatic
    gun
    purchases?

    If they also raise the minimum age to vote, and to be drafted, to 21 I
    am all for it. Otherwise, no.

    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.

    I thought it was very unfair that I couldn't drink, smoke, view porn, (I don't remember if I could vote at 16), etc. Yet I could be drafted and be called upon to die for my country.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ron L. on Friday, June 10, 2022 15:16:32
    I thought it was very unfair that I couldn't drink, smoke, view porn, (I don't
    remember if I could vote at 16), etc. Yet I could be drafted and be called
    upon to die for my country.

    Do you really expect fairness in the state of the corrupt USA nowadays?

    Drink: 21
    Smoke: 21
    AR-15: 18
    Ammo: 18
    Fucking: 18
    Driving: 16

    So, this is how your lawmakers grade the danger age of some of the stuff in a teenager's everyday life.

    Can you blame the new generation of teenagers for choosing a suicide with a big bang? What else do they have to look forward to?

    They cannot move to Europe (a bunch of "Euro Trash Pacifist Shit Pig Pussies" -- actual quote by one of the major mail movers in Z1).

    They can't move to Asia (a bunch of leftist and Commie bastards).

    They can't move South of the Border (they're all criminals and rapists -- they have a POTUS statement on that).

    So, what's left? Stay and try to survive the next school shooting? What a prospect to look forward to...


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Björn Felten on Friday, June 10, 2022 08:24:26
    On 10 Jun 2022, Björn Felten said the following...
    I thought it was very unfair that I couldn't drink, smoke, view porn, don't
    remember if I could vote at 16), etc. Yet I could be drafted and be called
    upon to die for my country.
    Do you really expect fairness in the state of the corrupt USA
    nowadays?

    I'm not sure what country Ron is referring to, but the age at which American males are required to register for the Selective Service (draft) has been 18 since 1940. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920 and didn't exist from 1921-1939.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, June 10, 2022 00:29:15
    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change anythi

    What do you suggest?

    To protect the kids with modern security measures, to keep schools locked, to punish teachers who violate security policies, to hire more school resource officers.

    Or we can just take guns away from lawful gun owners, leaving assault weapons in the hands of criminals only.

    But hey, Matt Gaetz says that 18-year-olds need AR-15s to protect themselves during the "mid-term violence." What "mid-term violence?" The

    He's an undercover Democrat.

    is he saying that 18-year-olds will need AR-15s to protect themselves
    from conservative violence if the mid-terms don't go conservatives' way?

    That never happens. The January 6 riot seems to have been staged by Democrats. That's why they keep playing with it; it's their gimmick. Surely Liz Cheney will get to the bottom of things? lol

    We've seen mass shootings carried out by older adults before too, so it's not like this is going to solve the problem.

    "More guns" and "thoughts & prayers" certainly haven't solved it.

    Trashing God hasn't solved it. Tell Democrats to stop letting the media brainwash people. That's probably the root cause of some of these shootings.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 10, 2022 00:38:26
    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-automati purchases?

    If they also raise the minimum age to vote, and to be drafted, to 21 I am all for it. Otherwise, no.

    Good point! Do you see any good in it? It's just not the solution we need.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 10, 2022 14:36:27
    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-autom gun purchases?

    It's a start. A baby step, but still a start.

    We need big steps, not baby steps. It makes Democrats safer from angry conservatives, but it doesn't make school children safer.

    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change anythi

    I agree. Much more does need to be done. But we have to start
    somewhere. So why wait? Best to do something now, so at least some
    mass shootings might be avoided.

    Starting out with "take guns away from adults" is not where to start. We need metal detectors and security. Every school should be treated like it's a courthouse with precious Democrats inside.

    The 18 year-old who shot 19 children dead, along with 2 adults,
    legally bought two AR-15s along with high capacity magazines (fully

    Tell the media to stop brainwashing people, then they'll stop acting so nutty.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 10, 2022 10:44:03
    On 10 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change a
    What do you suggest?
    To protect the kids with modern security measures, to keep schools
    locked, to punish teachers who violate security policies, to hire more school resource officers.

    Those are good ideas, but wouldn't have made a bit of difference in Buffalo.

    Or we can just take guns away from lawful gun owners, leaving assault weapons in the hands of criminals only.

    And straight to the "total disarmament" straw man again. There are many more ideas than these two.

    But hey, Matt Gaetz says that 18-year-olds need AR-15s to protect themselves during the "mid-term violence." What "mid-term violence?"
    He's an undercover Democrat.

    He's 100% Republican, man. Own it.

    is he saying that 18-year-olds will need AR-15s to protect themselves from conservative violence if the mid-terms don't go conservatives' w
    That never happens. The January 6 riot seems to have been staged by Democrats. That's why they keep playing with it; it's their gimmick. Surely Liz Cheney will get to the bottom of things? lol

    BS. It's 100% conservative. Own it.

    We've seen mass shootings carried out by older adults before too it's not like this is going to solve the problem.
    "More guns" and "thoughts & prayers" certainly haven't solved it.
    Trashing God hasn't solved it. Tell Democrats to stop letting the media brainwash people. That's probably the root cause of some of these shootings.

    I'm not trashing God. It's a verifiable fact that the "thoughts & prayers" offered up by conservatives have not solved the problem. Democrats are not brainwashing people. Based on the sheer number of false statements you've
    made just in this batch of posts, you appear to be the one who is
    brainwashed, and not by Democrats.

    Jeff.

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  • From Brian Klauss@1:104/116 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, June 10, 2022 09:49:36
    Re: Re: House Bill
    By: Jeff Thiele to Björn Felten on Fri Jun 10 2022 08:24 am

    I'm not sure what country Ron is referring to, but the age at which American males are required to register for the Selective Service (draft) has been 18 since 1940. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920 and didn't exist from 1921-1939.

    If I recall correctly, when you apply for your license at 16, there is a box to check for registering for the Selective Service. Even though the assumption is that you will be "enrolled" at 18, the option for males to "opt-out" still doesn't exist.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Friday, June 10, 2022 14:46:43
    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.

    When you registered for the draft, you probably had a country worth defending.

    Nobody should be forced to risk their lives defending "refugees from the beaches of Cancun."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Brian Klauss on Friday, June 10, 2022 11:02:43
    On 10 Jun 2022, Brian Klauss said the following...
    I'm not sure what country Ron is referring to, but the age at which Ame males are required to register for the Selective Service (draft) has be since 1940. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920 and didn't exist from 1921-1939
    If I recall correctly, when you apply for your license at 16, there is a box to check for registering for the Selective Service. Even though the assumption is that you will be "enrolled" at 18, the option for males to "opt-out" still doesn't exist.

    Perhaps, but even so it's not required until age 18. It got left out of subsequent quote blocks, but Ron's original statement was, "I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16." No American has ever *had* to register for the draft at age 16.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Friday, June 10, 2022 16:06:00
    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.

    I thought it was very unfair that I couldn't drink, smoke, view porn, (I don't
    remember if I could vote at 16), etc. Yet I could be drafted and be called upon to die for my country.

    At some point they raised it to 18. OTOH, here you could buy cigs at just about any age. I remember going to the store on the corner to buy a
    carton of unflitered Camels for my grandparents, and an ice cream treat
    for myself. I was probably around 10 or 11. They didn't know if I was
    going to smoke them myself or not.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, June 10, 2022 15:38:00
    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for semi-automat
    purchases?

    If they also raise the minimum age to vote, and to be drafted, to 21 I am
    all for it. Otherwise, no.

    Good point! Do you see any good in it? It's just not the solution we need.

    Like I said, only if they raise the minimum age on those other things. You
    are supposed to be adult enough for your rights (and to get drafted) when
    you are 18, and priveleges when you are 21 (except driving, which here is
    16.5 now I think).

    If they are going to take one right away until you are 21, I think they
    should move everything to then, especially voting.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, June 10, 2022 16:08:00
    "More guns" and "thoughts & prayers" certainly haven't solved it.

    Trashing God hasn't solved it. Tell Democrats to stop letting the media brainwash people. That's probably the root cause of some of these shootings.

    Hearing about our crap economy sure doesn't help people see any bright
    future. But at least all the mean tweets are mostly out of the news.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, June 10, 2022 16:08:00
    Those are good ideas, but wouldn't have made a bit of difference in Buffalo.

    IIRC, Federal law enforcement "had him on their radar" but chose to do
    nothing before the shooting because he was "not enough of a risk."

    That seems to be a common, although not universal, theme.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BRIAN KLAUSS on Friday, June 10, 2022 15:53:00
    I'm not sure what country Ron is referring to, but the age at which America
    males are required to register for the Selective Service (draft) has been 1
    since 1940. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920 and didn't exist from 1921-1939.

    If I recall correctly, when you apply for your license at 16, there is a box t
    check for registering for the Selective Service. Even though the assumption i
    that you will be "enrolled" at 18, the option for males to "opt-out" still doe
    't exist.

    It probably varries by state. Here, I got my license at 16 and still had
    to go to the post office at 18 to register.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 10, 2022 16:34:15
    On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.
    At some point they raised it to 18.

    No, they didn't. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920, non-existent from 1921-1939,
    and 18 from 1940 to the present.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 10, 2022 16:37:26
    On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Those are good ideas, but wouldn't have made a bit of difference in Buff
    IIRC, Federal law enforcement "had him on their radar" but chose to do nothing before the shooting because he was "not enough of a risk."
    That seems to be a common, although not universal, theme.

    What should they have done? Are they the thought police now?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 10, 2022 23:44:52
    Hello Aaron,

    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for
    semi-automati
    purchases?

    If they also raise the minimum age to vote, and to be drafted, to 21
    I am
    all for it. Otherwise, no.

    Good point! Do you see any good in it? It's just not the solution we need.

    The idea is assinine. The most dangerous thing we do, every day,
    is drive a car. It is legal for US citizens to start driving at age
    16. So why not lower the voting age to age 16? After all, if folks
    are old enough to drive, they are old enough to vote.

    And why should there be a minimum age for fucking? Children can
    fuck. And need nobody's permission to do it. As long as they do so
    with other children. Just like grown adults. As long as they do so
    with other grown adults.

    Many states have no minimum age for marriage. And we all know married
    couples are free to do all the fucking they want. Regardless of age.

    So why should we have a minimum age to vote at all?

    I mean, if we can fuck whoever we want, whenever we want ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 10, 2022 23:44:57
    Hello Aaron,

    Do we like the House bill to set the minimum age to 21 for
    semi-autom
    gun purchases?

    It's a start. A baby step, but still a start.

    We need big steps, not baby steps. It makes Democrats safer from angry conservatives, but it doesn't make school children safer.

    We start now with baby steps to get us going. And we never stop
    until the job is done. Talk is cheap. Time for action.

    The bill sounds lackluster; it doesn't go far enough to change
    anythi

    I agree. Much more does need to be done. But we have to start
    somewhere. So why wait? Best to do something now, so at least some
    mass shootings might be avoided.

    Starting out with "take guns away from adults" is not where to start.

    Easy access to guns is one of the main reasons why these mass shootings
    are taking place. And it is not just young adults who are doing this.
    Although raising the legal age to age 21 is a help, it is not a solution
    to end the violence. Refusal to raise the legal age shows the lack of seriousness some members of Congress have to fix this problem.

    We need metal detectors and security.

    No amount of metal detectors would have stopped the 18 year-old kid
    armed with two AR-15s and large capacity magazines from walking onto
    the school grounds and murdering 19 children and 2 adults.

    Every school should be treated like it's a courthouse with precious Democrats inside.

    Children are not even of legal age to register to vote. And school
    teachers do not give a flying fuck about party affiliation. It is past
    time for this country to get rid of easy access to guns. Especially
    guns of the type those mass murderers like to use.

    The 18 year-old who shot 19 children dead, along with 2 adults,
    legally bought two AR-15s along with high capacity magazines (fully

    Tell the media to stop brainwashing people, then they'll stop acting so nutty.

    Maybe the news media should show the carnage done by those mass
    murderers. All those bodies displayed, not even identifiable. That
    is what an AR-15 does, the bullets tearing up the bodies like a
    meatgrinder, so that the only means of identification is through
    DNA tests.

    Oh what a bloody mess for all to see.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 10, 2022 23:45:07
    Hello Aaron,

    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.

    When you registered for the draft, you probably had a country worth defending.

    Boys can volunteer to serve in the army at age 13 in Pakistan.
    There is no age specified in Afghanistan. Mandatory in Laos at
    age 15. And in North Korea, it is compulsory service for both
    boys and girls at age 17.

    Nobody should be forced to risk their lives defending "refugees from the beaches of Cancun."

    Children are not allowed to serve in Mexico's armed forces.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, June 10, 2022 18:45:48
    I'm not trashing God. It's a verifiable fact that the "thoughts &
    prayers" offered up by conservatives have not solved the problem.

    Democrats offer "thoughts and prayers" too. They are snarkily bashing Christians when they say "thoughts and prayers" don't work. Nobody ever said that "thoughts and prayers will prevent more shootings." Part of your people's agenda is to stop people from praying, because they think God is an enemy to them. Democrats rejoiced with all the church closures from the pandemic.

    The media and Democrats are trying to make it sound like "all Republicans do
    is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than what Democrats have to offer.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:35:00
    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.
    At some point they raised it to 18.

    No, they didn't. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920, non-existent from 1921-1939, and 18 from 1940 to the present.

    He registered when he was 16, probably not effective until 18 and probably
    when he first got his driver's license. Someone else mentioned having that same "option" when they were 16. Here, we didn't do that and had to
    sign up at 18.

    He NEVER said he was draftable at 16.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:36:00
    On 10 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Those are good ideas, but wouldn't have made a bit of difference in Buf
    IIRC, Federal law enforcement "had him on their radar" but chose to do nothing before the shooting because he was "not enough of a risk."
    That seems to be a common, although not universal, theme.

    What should they have done? Are they the thought police now?

    In past, they have done things with people/persons they thought were a
    danger before they did anything nearly as drastic as what this moron did.
    They have their ways. If they were really as worried about "white
    supremacy" as a domestic terror threat as they SAY they are, I am sure they would have found one.

    But since this guy apparently had no attachment to a 1/6 or MAGA group, he got a pass until it was too late.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, June 11, 2022 11:32:00
    The media and Democrats are trying to make it sound like "all Republicans do is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than what Democrats have to offer.

    Two members of my family are both die-hard, straight-ticket Democrats that are all about "thoughts and prayers."

    Now, one of them is only about them as far as their political choices will allow, though. If religion contradicts her politics, politics will win
    most of the time. The other one is not.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 11, 2022 13:16:28
    Good point! Do you see any good in it? It's just not the solution we nee

    Like I said, only if they raise the minimum age on those other things.

    To me, 21 seems a lot like 18. There's not much room for growth in those 3 years. If someone is a psycho at 18, they'll still be a psycho at 21.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, June 11, 2022 13:59:38
    The idea is assinine. The most dangerous thing we do, every day,

    The biggest problem with gun violence in America is: That nobody who's in
    power cares about anything besides votes.

    Look at all the bragging potential for Nancy: "If my bill had been signed sooner, the Uvalde shooting wouldn't have happened for 3 more years."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, June 11, 2022 14:06:47
    We need metal detectors and security.

    No amount of metal detectors would have stopped the 18 year-old kid
    armed with two AR-15s and large capacity magazines from walking onto
    the school grounds and murdering 19 children and 2 adults.

    A security guard (or resource officer) should be checking for propped open doors and windows. I used to be a security guard at a casino that seemed to have too much security. There were nights when I was checking the pressure gauges on all the fire extinguishers in the building, every 15 minutes. Is
    that secure enough? For how many minutes was the door at Uvalde unlocked?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, June 11, 2022 18:00:12
    We need metal detectors and security.

    No amount of metal detectors would have stopped the 18 year-old kid
    armed with two AR-15s and large capacity magazines from walking onto
    the school grounds and murdering 19 children and 2 adults.

    It would have stopped him if the teacher didn't prop the door open.

    Have you ever been to a courthouse before? There's no way anyone's going to
    get a gun in there, unless maybe a plastic 3-D printed one, but the bullets still won't make it in there. Schools need to be like court houses; we need to protect the kids the same way we protect Democrat judges and
    Soros-backed prosecutors.

    I haven't heard of many court room shootings.

    Tell the media to stop brainwashing people, then they'll stop acting nutty.

    Maybe the news media should show the carnage done by those mass
    murderers. All those bodies displayed, not even identifiable. That
    is what an AR-15 does, the bullets tearing up the bodies like a meatgrinder, so that the only means of identification is through
    DNA tests.

    Yes, now you're talking. The media gives people a false sense of security. Like how "everything will be better once we get Trump out of office."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 11, 2022 19:59:49
    The media and Democrats are trying to make it sound like "all Republican is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than what Democrats have to offer.

    Two members of my family are both die-hard, straight-ticket Democrats
    that are all about "thoughts and prayers."

    I bet they hated it when the leftists started rejecting that philosophy (a couple weeks ago.) The priests of my church have been telling us that "our church is under attack," and I used to think they were exaggerating, but it's true. Democrats and their counterparts are trying to pressure people to losing their faith.

    Biden said "The prayers of the entire world are with Ukraine," but all of a sudden, "It's time to tell Republicans that thoughts and prayers aren't enough."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, June 11, 2022 18:12:26
    On 10 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I'm not trashing God. It's a verifiable fact that the "thoughts & prayers" offered up by conservatives have not solved the problem.
    Democrats offer "thoughts and prayers" too.

    The difference is that "thoughts & prayers" are *all* that conservatives
    offer. Democrats offer real solutions but they get shot down by Republicans.

    They are snarkily bashing
    Christians when they say "thoughts and prayers" don't work.

    No, they're not. They're bashing conservatives who offer nothing more than "thoughts & prayers" time after time after time after time after time.

    Nobody ever
    said that "thoughts and prayers will prevent more shootings."

    That's the inference when that's all that conservatives ever offer up.

    Part of
    your people's agenda is to stop people from praying, because they think God is an enemy to them.

    Bullshit.

    Democrats rejoiced with all the church closures
    from the pandemic.

    Bullshit.

    The media and Democrats are trying to make it sound like "all
    Republicans do is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than what Democrats have to offer.

    Bullshit. Weren't you just complaining about a Democrat gun control-bill, or
    at least the distorted version of one that lives in your head?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 11, 2022 18:24:25
    On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I remember having to register for the Draft when I turned 16.
    At some point they raised it to 18.
    No, they didn't. It was 21 from 1917 to 1920, non-existent from 1921-193 and 18 from 1940 to the present.
    He registered when he was 16, probably not effective until 18 and
    probably when he first got his driver's license. Someone else mentioned having that same "option" when they were 16. Here, we didn't do that
    and had to sign up at 18.
    He NEVER said he was draftable at 16.

    I never said he said he was draftable at 16. That's a straw man.

    What I said was that Ron said he remembers *having to register* when he was
    16, and that is exactly what he said. You yourself just referred to this as
    an "option." So did he or did he not *have to* register at 16?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 11, 2022 18:30:14
    On 11 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    But since this guy apparently had no attachment to a 1/6 or MAGA group,
    he got a pass until it was too late.

    Yep. People slip thorugh the cracks. We need better solutions.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, June 11, 2022 21:51:52
    Hello, Aaron Thomas.
    On 6/10/22 6:45 PM you wrote:

    I'm not trashing God. It's a verifiable fact that the "thoughts &
    prayers" offered up by conservatives have not solved the problem.
    Democrats offer "thoughts and prayers" too. They are snarkily
    bashing Christians when they say "thoughts and prayers" don't
    work. Nobody ever said that "thoughts and prayers will prevent
    more shootings." Part of your people's agenda is to stop people
    from praying, because they think God is an enemy to them.
    Democrats rejoiced with all the church closures from the pandemic.
    The media and Democrats are trying to make it sound like "all
    Republicans do is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than
    what Democrats have to offer.
    The vast majority of this country is religious. The vast majority of the religious people in this country are Christians.

    Joe Biden is Catholic, he goes to church often. (unlike fired former federal employee, Donald Trump).

    However, the country was founded with a pretty clear separation of Church and State. I think most Democrats really just want to prevent whatever weird brand of Christian-Sharia-Law the evangelicals and Baptists are working so hard to enact
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 15:31:02
    Hello Aaron,

    Good point! Do you see any good in it? It's just not the solution
    we nee

    Like I said, only if they raise the minimum age on those other
    things.

    To me, 21 seems a lot like 18. There's not much room for growth in those 3 years. If someone is a psycho at 18, they'll still be a psycho at 21.

    Cardinal Rule in Politics -

    Once you give something away, you can't take it back.

    We gave black people the right to vote.
    Can't take that back.

    We gave women the right to vote.
    Can't take that back.

    We gave teenagers the right to vote.
    Can't take that back.

    Time to give toddlers the right to vote.
    We'll never be able to take that back.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 15:31:33
    Hello Aaron,

    The idea is assinine. The most dangerous thing we do, every day,

    The biggest problem with gun violence in America is: That nobody who's in power cares about anything besides votes.

    After a mass shooting in Australia some years ago, Australia did
    something about it. Passed strong gun control laws. Brought an
    immediate end to such senseless violence.

    There was a national election in Australia the other day. 92% voter
    turnout.

    We could do the same. If we wanted to. Pass legislation making it
    compulsory for everyone to vote. That should do it.

    We can even make it vote by mail, thus saving everybody the high
    cost of gas. And the time to go to a polling booth.

    Look at all the bragging potential for Nancy: "If my bill had been signed sooner, the Uvalde shooting wouldn't have happened for 3 more years."

    An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. But chickenshit
    Republicans let it lapse ten years later, and refuse to pass
    another such assault weapons ban.

    We can do better. Much better.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 15:31:38
    Hello Aaron,

    We need metal detectors and security.

    No amount of metal detectors would have stopped the 18 year-old kid
    armed with two AR-15s and large capacity magazines from walking onto
    the school grounds and murdering 19 children and 2 adults.

    A security guard (or resource officer) should be checking for propped open doors and windows.

    The shooter should never have had such easy access to the type of
    weapons he had (two AR-15s, with large capacity magazines). Nobody
    should have such easy access. He walked right into the school, and
    for over an hour, nobody tried to confront him. Not even the local
    cops, who were too chickenshit while having loaded weapons of their
    own. Talk about some security.

    I used to be a security guard at a casino that seemed to have too much security.

    It's not just the gamers you have to watch, but also the dealers.
    Along with those going both inside, and outside, the casino.

    There were nights when I was checking the pressure gauges on all the fire extinguishers in the building, every 15 minutes.

    Failure is not an option. And yet stuff happens.

    Is that secure enough?

    Nothing is ever secure enough. But there is much that can, and
    should, be done. And right now, that means a lot needs to be done.

    For how many minutes was the door at Uvalde unlocked?

    How many more people have to die before this country gets serious
    about gun control?

    For Lee,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 15:31:45
    Hello Aaron,

    We need metal detectors and security.

    No amount of metal detectors would have stopped the 18 year-old kid
    armed with two AR-15s and large capacity magazines from walking onto
    the school grounds and murdering 19 children and 2 adults.

    It would have stopped him if the teacher didn't prop the door open.

    One more time. The shooter walked into the school building without
    anybody even bothering to try to stop him. A teacher tried to protect
    herself by closing a door behind her, and thought it had locked itself.
    That teacher was killed by the shooter, as he opened the door and did
    his thing. Another teacher, in another classroom, with 11 children
    inside, tried to hide under their desks and played dead. That teacher
    survived, but all 11 children were killed. In total, 19 children were
    killed, and 2 adults. Along with many others injured, some critically.

    This was the result of one 18-year-old shooter having easy access
    to two AR-15s, with large capacity magazines, and enough ammo for an
    entire army.

    Have you ever been to a courthouse before?

    Many times.

    There's no way anyone's going to get a gun in there, unless maybe a plastic
    3-D printed one, but the bullets still won't make it in there.

    We are not talking about a courthouse, with police guarding
    the place. The school massacre in Uvalde was caused by a gunman
    who had easy access to AR-15 assault rifles, along with large
    capacity magazines, and enough ammo to massacre a lot more than
    he actually did.

    Schools need to be like court houses; we need to protect the kids the same way we protect Democrat judges and Soros-backed prosecutors.

    We can start protecting children by taking away easy access of guns
    - especially the type used by mass shooters. Raising the legal age of
    buying those guns is a baby step, and a tiny one at that.

    I haven't heard of many court room shootings.

    There have been 288 mass shootings in the USA so far this year.
    Well, as of a few days ago. It could be more by now. Want to know
    what that count is for the rest of the world? 5.

    Tell the media to stop brainwashing people, then they'll stop
    acting
    nutty.

    Maybe the news media should show the carnage done by those mass
    murderers. All those bodies displayed, not even identifiable. That
    is what an AR-15 does, the bullets tearing up the bodies like a
    meatgrinder, so that the only means of identification is through
    DNA tests.

    Yes, now you're talking. The media gives people a false sense of security. Like how "everything will be better once we get Trump out of office."

    I was being facetious. The horror of seeing all that blood and gore
    on television would have been even more horrific than seeing all those
    dead bodies in Guyana, victims of Jim Jones having given them kool-aid
    as a thirst quencher.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, June 12, 2022 03:44:33
    The difference is that "thoughts & prayers" are *all* that conservatives offer. Democrats offer real solutions but they get shot down by Republicans.

    Which "solution" are you talking about? No more assault weapons for 18-20 year olds? That's not a solution!

    No, they're not. They're bashing conservatives who offer nothing more
    than "thoughts & prayers" time after time after time after time after time.

    It's idiotic because Democrats often do the same thing. Congress is split almost evenly, so both parties are to blame, not just "conservatives."

    Nobody ever
    said that "thoughts and prayers will prevent more shootings."

    That's the inference when that's all that conservatives ever offer up.

    Democrats have said it plenty of times too. Joe was just saying "God bless the losses," whatever that means to the god of the slitherers.

    I didn't watch the news that day when a Republican suggested using "thoughts and prayers" to thwart future attacks. Which Republican was that?

    Part of
    your people's agenda is to stop people from praying, because they thi God is an enemy to them.

    Bullshit.

    Restricting religious gatherings while allowing bars & restaurants to remain open (Cuomo) is a perfect example of your peoples' intentions.

    Democrats rejoiced with all the church closures
    from the pandemic.

    Bullshit.

    Cuomo loved it. He took his fight (against God) to the US Supreme Court.

    CUOMO vs GOD (lol)

    Republicans do is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than what Democrats have to offer.

    Bullshit. Weren't you just complaining about a Democrat gun
    control-bill, or at least the distorted version of one that lives in
    your head?

    The house bill says that you've got to be at least 21 years old to do a mass shooting. That's not as good as "thoughts and prayers."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:22:00
    Like I said, only if they raise the minimum age on those other things.

    To me, 21 seems a lot like 18. There's not much room for growth in those 3 years. If someone is a psycho at 18, they'll still be a psycho at 21.

    Likely, but if they are just immature at 18, they might be less so at 21.
    I was.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:36:00
    Biden said "The prayers of the entire world are with Ukraine," but all of a sudden, "It's time to tell Republicans that thoughts and prayers aren't enough."

    Interesting contrast here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:36:00
    I never said he said he was draftable at 16. That's a straw man.

    What I said was that Ron said he remembers *having to register* when he was 16, and that is exactly what he said. You yourself just referred to this as an "option." So did he or did he not *have to* register at 16?

    "Option" in quotes. The person who mentioned that it was an "option" when
    they got their driver's license also pointed out that there was no "option"
    to opt out.

    So you either *had to* register at 16 when you got your license, otherwise
    you *had to* find a place to do so (here, the post ofice) when you were 18.
    You can call that a "option" or a "choice" but, unless you don't make to 18
    or the government did away with the requirement in those two years it is not really one.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:04:00
    Two members of my family are both die-hard, straight-ticket Democrats that are all about "thoughts and prayers."

    I bet they hated it when the leftists started rejecting that philosophy (a couple weeks ago.) The priests of my church have been telling us that "our church is under attack," and I used to think they were exaggerating, but it's true. Democrats and their counterparts are trying to pressure people to losing
    their faith.

    I suspect they both ignore it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MIKE MILLER on Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:07:00
    However, the country was founded with a pretty clear separation of Church and ate. I think most Democrats really just want to prevent whatever weird brand o
    Christian-Sharia-Law the evangelicals and Baptists are working so hard to enac

    Something I can agree with.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 10:57:15
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The difference is that "thoughts & prayers" are *all* that conservati offer. Democrats offer real solutions but they get shot down by Republicans.
    Which "solution" are you talking about? No more assault weapons for
    18-20 year olds? That's not a solution!

    It's not a full solution, but it's more of a solution than "thoughts & prayers."

    No, they're not. They're bashing conservatives who offer nothing more than "thoughts & prayers" time after time after time after time after time.
    It's idiotic because Democrats often do the same thing. Congress is split almost evenly, so both parties are to blame, not just "conservatives."

    Congress is split almost evenly between liberals and conservatives, too. Imagine that. On the whole, though, Democrats are much more open to
    meaningful solutions.

    Nobody ever
    said that "thoughts and prayers will prevent more shootings."
    That's the inference when that's all that conservatives ever offer up
    Democrats have said it plenty of times too. Joe was just saying "God
    bless the losses," whatever that means to the god of the slitherers.

    Joe also called for meaningful gun control laws to be passed.

    I didn't watch the news that day when a Republican suggested using "thoughts and prayers" to thwart future attacks. Which Republican was that?

    Pretty much all of them.

    Part of
    your people's agenda is to stop people from praying, because the God is an enemy to them.
    [REDACTED]
    Restricting religious gatherings while allowing bars & restaurants to remain open (Cuomo) is a perfect example of your peoples' intentions.

    That was during a pandemic.

    Democrats rejoiced with all the church closures
    from the pandemic.
    [REDACTED]
    Cuomo loved it. He took his fight (against God) to the US Supreme Court.

    Church services are not essential services.

    Republicans do is offer thoughts and prayers." That's more than Democrats have to offer.
    [REDACTED] Weren't you just complaining about a Democrat gun control-bill, or at least the distorted version of one that lives in your head?
    The house bill says that you've got to be at least 21 years old to do a mass shooting. That's not as good as "thoughts and prayers."

    It's far better. "Thoughts & prayers" are worthless platitudes.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:17:08
    On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Biden said "The prayers of the entire world are with Ukraine," but all o sudden, "It's time to tell Republicans that thoughts and prayers aren't enough."
    Interesting contrast here.

    It's one thing to pair "thoughts and prayers" with action, and another to
    just offer them and move on without looking for solutions.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 12, 2022 11:22:06
    On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I never said he said he was draftable at 16. That's a straw man.
    What I said was that Ron said he remembers *having to register* when he 16, and that is exactly what he said. You yourself just referred to this an "option." So did he or did he not *have to* register at 16?
    "Option" in quotes. The person who mentioned that it was an "option"
    when they got their driver's license also pointed out that there was no "option" to opt out.

    Yep, apparently in some places registering at 16 is an option. But not a requirement. No one "has to" register at 16.

    So you either *had to* register at 16 when you got your license,
    otherwise you *had to* find a place to do so (here, the post ofice) when you were 18. You can call that a "option" or a "choice" but, unless you don't make to 18 or the government did away with the requirement in
    those two years it is not really one.

    No one "has to" register when they're 16. They have the option of waiting
    until they're 18.

    The draft involves compulsory military service. People must serve when
    called, whether they want to or not (with a few exceptions, such as crapping their pants as Ted Nugent has admitted doing). When discussing the draft this compulsory nature is never far from the surface.

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 15:04:10
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    When you registered for the draft, you probably had a country worth defending.

    True. But I thought it was unfair that there was a time when I had the responsibilities of an adult, but none of the privileges.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Miller on Sunday, June 12, 2022 15:01:14
    However, the country was founded with a pretty clear separation of
    Church and State. I think most Democrats really just want to prevent whatever weird brand of Christian-Sharia-Law the evangelicals and
    Baptists are working so hard to enact

    It's just warm-bloodedism. Christians/Catholics offer condolences, and sometimes they say "you're in my thoughts and prayers." It's not a big deal. Joe contradicted himself when he said "we need more than thoughts and
    prayers," because he said it himself after the Uvalde shooting when he said "god bless the losses." (a prayer to whichever god human smugglers pray to.)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 12, 2022 16:05:34
    We could do the same. If we wanted to. Pass legislation making it compulsory for everyone to vote. That should do it.

    We can even make it vote by mail, thus saving everybody the high
    cost of gas. And the time to go to a polling booth.

    Sure, that way the leftists who open the envelopes can make the decisions for us.

    An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. But chickenshit
    Republicans let it lapse ten years later, and refuse to pass
    another such assault weapons ban.

    Biden's regime is oppressing us, and a rebellion is imminent. Most people aren't dumb enough to let Democrats disarm us at a time like this. Maybe Republicans saw it coming since 1994.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 12, 2022 16:21:33
    Is that secure enough?

    Nothing is ever secure enough. But there is much that can, and
    should, be done. And right now, that means a lot needs to be done.

    The weaker we are, the more easy we are to control.

    For how many minutes was the door at Uvalde unlocked?

    How many more people have to die before this country gets serious
    about gun control?

    That's great work on the narrative, but now try working on a solution that's more foolproof.

    If the house bill ends up getting signed, then future mass shootings will be less likely to be carried out with semi-automatic weapons. So to answer your question, I guess 4 or 5 more people need to die, or however many it takes before someone can tackle a shooter armed with a single-shot pistol. I guess Joe would have less losses to "bless."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 12, 2022 16:22:56
    It would have stopped him if the teacher didn't prop the door open.

    One more time. The shooter walked into the school building without

    He walked into the school via a door that was propped open by a teacher, based on news reports.

    You're making it sound like he was buzzed-in through the main entrance.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 12, 2022 16:35:04
    To me, 21 seems a lot like 18. There's not much room for growth in those years. If someone is a psycho at 18, they'll still be a psycho at 21.

    Likely, but if they are just immature at 18, they might be less so at 21. I was.

    These are very iffy variables for people to bet their lives on.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, June 12, 2022 18:16:24
    Which "solution" are you talking about? No more assault weapons for 18-20 year olds? That's not a solution!

    It's not a full solution, but it's more of a solution than "thoughts & prayers."

    To me, it's less.

    It's idiotic because Democrats often do the same thing. Congress is s almost evenly, so both parties are to blame, not just "conservatives.

    Congress is split almost evenly between liberals and conservatives, too. Imagine that. On the whole, though, Democrats are much more open to meaningful solutions.

    Good opinion, but where's the facts?

    Democrats have said it plenty of times too. Joe was just saying "God bless the losses," whatever that means to the god of the slitherers.

    Joe also called for meaningful gun control laws to be passed.

    Joe calling for stuff is a joke. He can sign an executive order if he wants.

    I didn't watch the news that day when a Republican suggested using "thoughts and prayers" to thwart future attacks. Which Republican was that?

    Pretty much all of them.

    Oh ok, I'll take your word for it because you always prove everything you say.

    Restricting religious gatherings while allowing bars & restaurants to remain open (Cuomo) is a perfect example of your peoples' intentions.

    That was during a pandemic.

    Why are churches more susceptible to transmissions than bars & restaurants?

    Church services are not essential services.

    Church services are essential to the 1st ammendment. Catholics are required to attend weekly mass to be in compliance with the faith. Bars & restaurants aren't essential.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 17:30:10
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    However, the country was founded with a pretty clear separation of Church and State. I think most Democrats really just want to prevent whatever weird brand of Christian-Sharia-Law the evangelicals and Baptists are working so hard to enact
    It's just warm-bloodedism. Christians/Catholics offer condolences, and sometimes they say "you're in my thoughts and prayers." It's not a big deal. Joe contradicted himself when he said "we need more than thoughts and prayers," because he said it himself after the Uvalde shooting when
    he said "god bless the losses." (a prayer to whichever god human
    smugglers pray to.)

    "Thoughts & prayers" and "more than thoughts & prayers" are not mutually exclusive. There was no contradiction.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 17:32:12
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    He walked into the school via a door that was propped open by a teacher, based on news reports.

    Old, outdated news reports.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 18:01:42
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Which "solution" are you talking about? No more assault weapons 18-20 year olds? That's not a solution!
    It's not a full solution, but it's more of a solution than "thoughts prayers."
    To me, it's less.

    Whether you think it will work or not is irrelevant. It's "thoughts and prayers" plus a proposed solution. That is more than "thoughts and prayers" alone. Republicans also tend to dismiss all gun control proposals out of
    hand, without even considering their merit, as I believe you have done here.

    It's idiotic because Democrats often do the same thing. Congress almost evenly, so both parties are to blame, not just "conservat
    Congress is split almost evenly between liberals and conservatives, t Imagine that. On the whole, though, Democrats are much more open to meaningful solutions.
    Good opinion, but where's the facts?

    It should be self-evident to anyone who's been paying attention. Democrats propose solutions; Republicans oppose them.

    Democrats have said it plenty of times too. Joe was just saying bless the losses," whatever that means to the god of the slither
    Joe also called for meaningful gun control laws to be passed.
    Joe calling for stuff is a joke. He can sign an executive order if he wants.

    Uh, no. You appear to misunderstand what executive orders are. They are directives from the president to the executive branch, hence "executive
    order." The president can issue an executive order that all executive branch employees must, for example, wear masks, but he cannot issue one mandating
    all Americans to wear masks.

    "An executive order is a signed, written, and published directive from the President of the United States that manages operations of the federal government." https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications/teaching-legal -docs/what-is-an-executive-order-/

    Your ignorance is showing.

    I didn't watch the news that day when a Republican suggested usi "thoughts and prayers" to thwart future attacks. Which Republica that?
    Pretty much all of them.
    Oh ok, I'll take your word for it because you always prove everything
    you say.

    Pay attention When was the last time Republicans enacted legislation to prevent mass shootings?

    Restricting religious gatherings while allowing bars & restauran remain open (Cuomo) is a perfect example of your peoples' intent
    That was during a pandemic.
    Why are churches more susceptible to transmissions than bars & restaurants?

    It's not that they're more susceptible; it's that they're deemed less essential. Additionally, although restaurants and bars were allowed to remain open, their occupancy was limited.

    Church services are not essential services.
    Church services are essential to the 1st ammendment. Catholics are required to attend weekly mass to be in compliance with the faith. Bars
    & restaurants aren't essential.

    Sometimes exceptions must be made.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, June 12, 2022 23:21:19
    It's just warm-bloodedism. Christians/Catholics offer condolences, an sometimes they say "you're in my thoughts and prayers." It's not a bi deal. Joe contradicted himself when he said "we need more than though and prayers," because he said it himself after the Uvalde shooting wh he said "god bless the losses." (a prayer to whichever god human smugglers pray to.)

    "Thoughts & prayers" and "more than thoughts & prayers" are not mutually exclusive. There was no contradiction.

    "God bless the losses..." and "Republicans only offer thoughts and prayers.." seems contradictory to me, but it's probably just fine with Boreas, or whoever you guys pray to.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, June 12, 2022 23:47:42
    It should be self-evident to anyone who's been paying attention.
    Democrats propose solutions; Republicans oppose them.

    It's not evident. Who are you talking about? You're just full of generalizations, and that's ignorant.

    Uh, no. You appear to misunderstand what executive orders are. They are directives from the president to the executive branch, hence "executive

    You explained something I didn't know. I'm not a know it all.

    Pay attention When was the last time Republicans enacted legislation to prevent mass shootings?

    What legislation? There's no legislation on mass shootings (that I know of.)

    Why are churches more susceptible to transmissions than bars & restaurants?

    It's not that they're more susceptible; it's that they're deemed less essential. Additionally, although restaurants and bars were allowed to remain open, their occupancy was limited.

    Deemed by Andrew Cuomo? What right does he have to deem the 1st ammendment as "non-essential?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 19:40:41
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It's just warm-bloodedism. Christians/Catholics offer condolence sometimes they say "you're in my thoughts and prayers." It's not deal. Joe contradicted himself when he said "we need more than t and prayers," because he said it himself after the Uvalde shooti he said "god bless the losses." (a prayer to whichever god human smugglers pray to.)
    "Thoughts & prayers" and "more than thoughts & prayers" are not mutua exclusive. There was no contradiction.
    "God bless the losses..." and "Republicans only offer thoughts and prayers.." seems contradictory to me, but it's probably just fine with Boreas, or whoever you guys pray to.

    There are thought and prayers plus additional solutions, and there are just thoughts and prayers. Anyone can offer thoughts and prayers; it's what they
    do beyond that that counts.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 12, 2022 19:44:50
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It should be self-evident to anyone who's been paying attention. Democrats propose solutions; Republicans oppose them.
    It's not evident. Who are you talking about? You're just full of generalizations, and that's ignorant.

    See below.

    Uh, no. You appear to misunderstand what executive orders are. They a directives from the president to the executive branch, hence "executi
    You explained something I didn't know. I'm not a know it all.

    This information is widely available to anyone. Perhaps you should educate yourself instead of offering ignorant opinions.

    Pay attention When was the last time Republicans enacted legislation prevent mass shootings?
    What legislation? There's no legislation on mass shootings (that I know of.)

    Exactly. Because Republicans oppose it.

    Why are churches more susceptible to transmissions than bars & restaurants?
    It's not that they're more susceptible; it's that they're deemed less essential. Additionally, although restaurants and bars were allowed t remain open, their occupancy was limited.
    Deemed by Andrew Cuomo? What right does he have to deem the 1st
    ammendment as "non-essential?"

    By the right of his office.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, June 13, 2022 01:35:14
    On 06-12-22 15:31, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about House Bill <=-

    I was being facetious. The horror of seeing all that blood and gore
    on television would have been even more horrific than seeing all those dead bodies in Guyana, victims of Jim Jones having given them kool-aid
    as a thirst quencher.

    The bodies in Guyana still had their heads on. Many of the children in
    Texas did not. Hence they could only be identified by DNA.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 01:46:18
    On 06-12-22 03:44, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: House Bill <=-


    The difference is that "thoughts & prayers" are *all* that conservatives offer. Democrats offer real solutions but they get shot down by Republicans.

    Which "solution" are you talking about? No more assault weapons for
    18-20 year olds? That's not a solution!

    It is not enough of a solution, but it would have saved 21 lives in
    Texas recently.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, June 13, 2022 02:04:22
    On 06-12-22 11:22, Jeff Thiele <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Re: House Bill <=-


    No one "has to" register when they're 16. They have the option of
    waiting until they're 18.

    My draft card was issued two days after my 18th birthday. I do not
    recall if I registered before that or not. But I know that I had a
    driver's liscense at least 18 months before that.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 02:11:24
    On 06-12-22 16:05, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: House Bill <=-

    We can even make it vote by mail, thus saving everybody the high
    cost of gas. And the time to go to a polling booth.

    Some states only have vote by mail now.

    Sure, that way the leftists who open the envelopes can make the
    decisions for us.

    Rubbish. The people who open the envelopes consist of a Democrat and a Republican -- and they record the vote as written.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 13:09:45
    Hello Aaron,

    We could do the same. If we wanted to. Pass legislation making it
    compulsory for everyone to vote. That should do it.

    We can even make it vote by mail, thus saving everybody the high
    cost of gas. And the time to go to a polling booth.

    Sure, that way the leftists who open the envelopes can make the decisions for us.

    That is not how vote by mail works.

    An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. But chickenshit
    Republicans let it lapse ten years later, and refuse to pass
    another such assault weapons ban.

    Biden's regime is oppressing us, and a rebellion is imminent.

    We all saw how well that went on January 6. And that was before
    Joe Biden was inaugurated. As such, your words of a rebellion are
    an empty threat.

    Most people aren't dumb enough to let Democrats disarm us at a time like this.

    The Congress passed an assault weapons ban in 1994 (that included
    a ban on large caliber magazines). That was during the Bill Clinton administration.

    Maybe Republicans saw it coming since 1994.

    Republicans let the assault weapons ban lapse in 2004, during the
    George W. Bush administration. Blood is on their (Republicans) hands,
    not Democrats.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 13:09:51
    Hello Aaron,

    Is that secure enough?

    Nothing is ever secure enough. But there is much that can, and
    should, be done. And right now, that means a lot needs to be done.

    The weaker we are, the more easy we are to control.

    Too many politicians are owned by special interest groups.
    Getting rid of those politicians should be a priority for voters.
    But that will never happen. Special interest groups make sure
    their favorite politicians are well funded, and never run out
    of funds to run their campaigns. And without campaign finance
    reform, those voters will keep on voting for politicians who
    vote the way those special interest groups want them to.

    For how many minutes was the door at Uvalde unlocked?

    How many more people have to die before this country gets serious
    about gun control?

    That's great work on the narrative, but now try working on a solution that's
    more foolproof.

    An assault weapons ban was enacted in 1994. A new assault weapons
    ban can, and should, be enacted today. With no loopholes, unlike the
    last time. That would be a start. Not a final solution, but a start.

    If the house bill ends up getting signed, then future mass shootings will be
    less likely to be carried out with semi-automatic weapons.

    There will continue to be future mass shootings. But far less of them.

    So to answer your question, I guess 4 or 5 more people need to die, or however many it takes before someone can tackle a shooter armed with a single-shot pistol.

    The legal age for buying a handgun is age 21. And yet Republicans
    refuse to raise the legal age for raising the legal age for any kind
    of rifles to age 18. And that is their main objection to a ban on
    assault style rifles (such as AR-15s) and large capacity magazines.

    Face it. Without real gun control, there will continue to be mass
    shootings. Lots of them. And the NRA won't care. And neither will
    gun manufacturers. All they care about is profits. Profits from
    gun sales, regardless of what type of guns or who buys those guns.

    I guess Joe would have less losses to "bless."

    His vice president can only attend so many funerals.
    Time for you and others to step up to the plate.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 13:09:58
    Hello Aaron,

    It would have stopped him if the teacher didn't prop the door
    open.

    One more time. The shooter walked into the school building without

    He walked into the school via a door that was propped open by a teacher, based on news reports.

    He walked into the school building without hindrance or anybody
    stopping him. Local cops failed to do their job. The end result was
    19 children dead, and two adults. Plus the shooter himself, having
    been shot dead by Border Patrol (since local cops were too chicken-
    shit to take him out).

    You're making it sound like he was buzzed-in through the main entrance.

    He got in the easiest way he could - by walking in through
    an unlocked door.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, June 13, 2022 01:52:29
    Uh, no. You appear to misunderstand what executive orders are. T directives from the president to the executive branch, hence "ex
    You explained something I didn't know. I'm not a know it all.

    This information is widely available to anyone. Perhaps you should
    educate yourself instead of offering ignorant opinions.

    Nobody on Fidonet should be expected to know every damn thing. Shove your smug attitude up your ass!

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 08:48:46
    On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Uh, no. You appear to misunderstand what executive orders a directives from the president to the executive branch, henc
    You explained something I didn't know. I'm not a know it all.
    This information is widely available to anyone. Perhaps you should educate yourself instead of offering ignorant opinions.
    Nobody on Fidonet should be expected to know every damn thing. Shove
    your smug attitude up your ass!

    You should at least know what you're talking about.

    When I say "ignorant," I'm using the dictionary definition: "lacking
    knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified; resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence." I believe that to be a fair assessment of your opinion and it was not intended to be smug.

    Dude, you have the entire sum of human knowledge at your fingertips. Use it, preferably before you post.

    Jeff.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 16:08:36
    Nobody on Fidonet should be expected to know every damn thing. Shove
    your smug attitude up your ass!

    I live in Sweden, even I know what an executive order is. I'm surprised that a USAian don't.

    Do you think you can pass a citizenship test?




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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Monday, June 13, 2022 16:45:14
    Sure, that way the leftists who open the envelopes can make the decisions for us.

    Rubbish. The people who open the envelopes consist of a Democrat and a Republican -- and they record the vote as written.

    What qualifies one of those envelope openers as a Democrat or a Republican? (Please don't say their voter registration card!)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, June 13, 2022 17:01:29
    Biden's regime is oppressing us, and a rebellion is imminent.

    We all saw how well that went on January 6. And that was before
    Joe Biden was inaugurated. As such, your words of a rebellion are
    an empty threat.

    It's not my threat. Biden, Mayorkas, and Garland all said it first. 2 of those guys are white and the other one is a skinhead, so take it from the guys who know best.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, June 13, 2022 17:13:23
    of funds to run their campaigns. And without campaign finance
    reform, those voters will keep on voting for politicians who
    vote the way those special interest groups want them to.

    I'm with you on wanting campaign finance reform.

    There will continue to be future mass shootings. But far less of them.

    How many is "far less?" There's no guarantee that psychos will opt-out of mass shootings just because they're scared of getting carpal tunnel syndrome.

    How do elites protect themselves from getting shot? We need to do what they're doing.

    Face it. Without real gun control, there will continue to be mass shootings. Lots of them. And the NRA won't care. And neither will

    I'm convinced that better security is the way to go.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Monday, June 13, 2022 17:27:12
    I live in Sweden, even I know what an executive order is. I'm
    surprised that a USAian don't.

    It's confusing to me. Biden made an executive order that mandated covid vaccines for employees of companies with 100 or more employees (I think that was the number.) That policy affected most Americans, not just Americans who work on federal land.

    He also made an executive order that crippled the gas mining industry. But he can't make one to cripple the assault weapon industry?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 14:16:41
    On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It's confusing to me. Biden made an executive order that mandated covid vaccines for employees of companies with 100 or more employees (I think that was the number.) That policy affected most Americans, not just Americans who work on federal land.

    No, he didn't. Executive orders also apply to companies that sub-contract for the US government. It applied to those companies and it was expected that private companies would follow suit.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Monday, June 13, 2022 22:56:29
    Hello Dale,

    I was being facetious. The horror of seeing all that blood and gore
    on television would have been even more horrific than seeing all those
    dead bodies in Guyana, victims of Jim Jones having given them kool-aid
    as a thirst quencher.

    The bodies in Guyana still had their heads on. Many of the children in Texas did not. Hence they could only be identified by DNA.

    Newspaper and television showed pictures of those dead bodies
    in Guyana. None of the bodies in the Uvalde mass shooting were
    shown by any newspapers or in the news media.

    Dead bodies of civilians killed by Russian soldiers in Ukraine
    were shown on television, and in newspapers. So why is it okay to
    show bodies of the dead in other countries, but not here?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, June 13, 2022 16:11:00
    To me, 21 seems a lot like 18. There's not much room for growth in thos
    years. If someone is a psycho at 18, they'll still be a psycho at 21.

    Likely, but if they are just immature at 18, they might be less so at 21.
    I was.

    These are very iffy variables for people to bet their lives on.

    So you think they should raise it higher?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, June 13, 2022 16:40:00
    Which "solution" are you talking about? No more assault weapons for 18-20 year olds? That's not a solution!

    It is not enough of a solution, but it would have saved 21 lives in
    Texas recently.

    Maybe. In that case, he was alone in the school long enough that he could
    have gathered that many and blown them all up. If they are looking for martyrdom, as you mentioned in a previous post, not having legal access to a gun is not going to stop them.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 19:15:31
    Hello, Aaron Thomas.
    On 6/13/22 5:27 PM you wrote:

    I live in Sweden, even I know what an executive order is. I'm
    surprised that a USAian don't.
    It's confusing to me. Biden made an executive order that mandated
    covid vaccines for employees of companies with 100 or more
    employees (I think that was the number.) That policy affected most Americans, not just Americans who work on federal land. He also
    made an executive order that crippled the gas mining industry. But
    he can't make one to cripple the assault weapon industry?
    He could, but it would be sued into Oblivion faster than you can fire 30 rounds out of an AR-15.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 13, 2022 19:55:27
    Hello, Aaron Thomas.
    On 6/12/22 11:21 PM you wrote:

    It's just warm-bloodedism. Christians/Catholics offer
    condolences, an AT> sometimes they say "you're in my thoughts
    and prayers." It's not a bi AT> deal. Joe contradicted himself
    when he said "we need more than though AT> and prayers," because
    he said it himself after the Uvalde shooting wh AT> he said "god
    bless the losses." (a prayer to whichever god human AT>
    smugglers pray to.) "Thoughts & prayers" and "more than thoughts
    & prayers" are not mutually exclusive. There was no
    contradiction.
    "God bless the losses..." and "Republicans only offer thoughts and prayers.." seems contradictory to me, but it's probably just fine
    with Boreas, or whoever you guys pray to.
    The key word there is "only"

    Republicans seem to only offer lip service during those events, and refuse to actually do anything about it.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 04:20:09
    Hello Björn,

    Nobody on Fidonet should be expected to know every damn thing. Shove
    your smug attitude up your ass!

    I live in Sweden, even I know what an executive order is. I'm surprised that
    a USAian don't.

    Executive orders are not legislation.
    Executive orders require no approval from Congress.
    Every American president has issued at least one.
    They are numbered, in consecutive order.
    There are 13,731 of them, since the last time I looked.
    Congress cannot overturn them.
    So what are they?

    Do you think you can pass a citizenship test?

    Horror the thought!

    I was lucky.
    Born in the USA.
    No need to pass a test of any kind.

    In kindergarten, we all had to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in
    Cajun French, as the teacher did not speak English. But she was born
    in the USA, so did not need to pass a test of any kind. So she gave
    us all A's and nobody flunked, moving us all to grammar school.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 04:20:15
    Hello Aaron,

    Uh, no. You appear to misunderstand what executive orders
    are. T
    directives from the president to the executive branch,
    hence "ex
    You explained something I didn't know. I'm not a know it all.

    This information is widely available to anyone. Perhaps you should
    educate yourself instead of offering ignorant opinions.

    Nobody on Fidonet should be expected to know every damn thing. Shove your smug attitude up your ass!

    Time to clue yourself in -

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/publications /teaching-legal-docs/what-is-an-executive-order-/


    Now you have no excuse.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 04:20:33
    Hello Aaron,

    Biden's regime is oppressing us, and a rebellion is imminent.

    We all saw how well that went on January 6. And that was before
    Joe Biden was inaugurated. As such, your words of a rebellion are
    an empty threat.

    It's not my threat. Biden, Mayorkas, and Garland all said it first. 2 of those guys are white and the other one is a skinhead, so take it from the guys who know best.

    Who was the main instigator? Who fanned the fires on January 6? Your
    beloved orange a-hole, Donald J. Trump. Why he is not in jail is beyond
    me.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 04:20:39
    Hello Aaron,

    of funds to run their campaigns. And without campaign finance
    reform, those voters will keep on voting for politicians who
    vote the way those special interest groups want them to.

    I'm with you on wanting campaign finance reform.

    The late US Senator John McCain was instrumental in passing campaign
    finance reform years ago. But more needs to be done.

    There will continue to be future mass shootings. But far less of them.

    How many is "far less?"

    So far this year (as of a few days ago) there have been 288 mass
    shootings in the USA. And only 5 mass shootings in the rest of the
    world combined. Mass shootings meaning at least 4 persons.

    There's no guarantee that psychos will opt-out of mass shootings just because they're scared of getting carpal tunnel syndrome.

    Assault-style weapons (such as AR-15s) are too easily available
    for those who commit such horrific crimes. Taking away easy access
    to those weapons (and large capacity magazines) would be a start.
    A ban, with real teeth, and no loopholes.

    How do elites protect themselves from getting shot?

    Children and adults alike are getting murdered as a result of the
    lack of real gun control legislation being passed. Something needs
    to be done NOW to prevent future carnage from happening.

    We need to do what they're doing.

    Violence begets violence. More violence begets more violence.
    Not only would you have nutcases shooting up innocents, but you
    would also have everybody shooting everybody. You do realize
    what the end result would be ...

    Face it. Without real gun control, there will continue to be mass
    shootings. Lots of them. And the NRA won't care. And neither will

    I'm convinced that better security is the way to go.

    I'm convinced getting rid of easy access to assault-style weapons
    and other types of weapons is an integral part of the solution.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 00:42:00
    On 06-13-22 16:45, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: House Bill <=-


    Sure, that way the leftists who open the envelopes can make the decisions for us.

    Rubbish. The people who open the envelopes consist of a Democrat and a Republican -- and they record the vote as written.

    What qualifies one of those envelope openers as a Democrat or a Republican? (Please don't say their voter registration card!)

    What would you use instead?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 00:49:04
    On 06-13-22 22:56, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about House Bill <=-


    Hello Dale,

    I was being facetious. The horror of seeing all that blood and gore
    on television would have been even more horrific than seeing all those
    dead bodies in Guyana, victims of Jim Jones having given them kool-aid
    as a thirst quencher.

    The bodies in Guyana still had their heads on. Many of the children in Texas did not. Hence they could only be identified by DNA.

    Newspaper and television showed pictures of those dead bodies
    in Guyana. None of the bodies in the Uvalde mass shooting were
    shown by any newspapers or in the news media.

    Dead bodies of civilians killed by Russian soldiers in Ukraine
    were shown on television, and in newspapers. So why is it okay to
    show bodies of the dead in other countries, but not here?

    Because the media decided it would be too gross for the public to view.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 02:23:48
    These are very iffy variables for people to bet their lives on.

    So you think they should raise it higher?

    It's pointless for us to talk about raising the age higher. There have been mass shooters in much higher age brackets. They can raise the age if they
    want, but they better not stop there and call it a day!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Miller on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 06:18:15
    "God bless the losses..." and "Republicans only offer thoughts and prayers.." seems contradictory to me, but it's probably just fine with Boreas, or whoever you guys pray to.
    The key word there is "only"

    Republicans seem to only offer lip service during those events, and
    refuse to actually do anything about it.

    Which Republicans are refusing to do anything about it?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 06:30:05
    There will continue to be future mass shootings. But far less of the

    How many is "far less?"

    So far this year (as of a few days ago) there have been 288 mass
    shootings in the USA. And only 5 mass shootings in the rest of the
    world combined. Mass shootings meaning at least 4 persons.

    Great answer.

    Assault-style weapons (such as AR-15s) are too easily available
    for those who commit such horrific crimes. Taking away easy access
    to those weapons (and large capacity magazines) would be a start.
    A ban, with real teeth, and no loopholes.

    Yea but those heroic house Democrats don't want to take assault weapons off the market, they just want to confine the mass shootings to aggressors age 21 or older. Is that how they're gonna stick it to the gun manufacturers? Surely it won't be that big of a setback for them.

    How do elites protect themselves from getting shot?

    Children and adults alike are getting murdered as a result of the
    lack of real gun control legislation being passed. Something needs
    to be done NOW to prevent future carnage from happening.

    Since you don't know the answer, I'll tell you: They have their own security detail. Elites don't need gun control to protect their children, they need it to protect their power.

    I'm convinced that better security is the way to go.

    I'm convinced getting rid of easy access to assault-style weapons
    and other types of weapons is an integral part of the solution.

    What's the whole solution then? There are dozens of starting points we can begin at. This starting point that your people recommend is ok, but did the
    Las Vegas mass shooter look like a teenager to you?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 10:49:23
    I live in Sweden, even I know what an executive order is. I'm
    surprised that a USAian don't.

    It's confusing to me.

    Of course it is. But not to me. Go figure...

    Maybe you should starting to get your information from something else than a media outlet driven by an Aussie multibillionair?





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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 07:34:17
    On 14 Jun 2022, Björn Felten said the following...
    I live in Sweden, even I know what an executive order is. I'm
    surprised that a USAian don't.
    It's confusing to me.
    Of course it is. But not to me. Go figure...
    Maybe you should starting to get your information from something else than a
    media outlet driven by an Aussie multibillionair?

    Perhaps your "psychic" and your imagination are leading you astray as well.
    You also seem to have trouble comprehending nuance, such as the fact that New York can have cashless and cash bail, as well as cash-ineligible offesnes, at the same time.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 07:21:05
    Rubbish. The people who open the envelopes consist of a Democrat and Republican -- and they record the vote as written.

    What qualifies one of those envelope openers as a Democrat or a Republican? (Please don't say their voter registration card!)

    What would you use instead?

    Voting record, campaign contribution record, checking account history.

    Switching parties to complete a task doesn't seem like it would be difficult.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 17:49:35
    Perhaps your "psychic" and your imagination are leading you astray as well.

    ??? Please elaborate. ERROR: Does not compute.

    You also seem to have trouble comprehending nuance, such as the fact
    that New York can have cashless and cash bail, as well as cash-ineligible offesnes, at the same time.

    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I only commented on the executive order thing.

    How in Heavens Name does this strange "bail" system of yours suddenly come into play? You *DO* know that in a true democracy you cannot pay your way out of the justice system? So of course I have trouble "comprehending nuance". I don't even care shit.





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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 11:01:00
    On 14 Jun 2022, Björn Felten said the following...
    ??? Please elaborate. ERROR: Does not compute.
    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I only
    commented on the executive order thing.

    My sincerest apologies, Bjorn. Those comments were intended for Aaron, not
    you.

    Jeff.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, June 14, 2022 18:49:52
    My sincerest apologies, Bjorn. Those comments were intended for Aaron, not you.

    Thanks Jeff, I was kinda wondering. Apology accepted. :-)



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 01:24:51
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    Dead bodies of civilians killed by Russian soldiers in Ukraine
    were shown on television, and in newspapers. So why is it okay to
    show bodies of the dead in other countries, but not here?

    Because the media decided it would be too gross for the public to view.

    What a double standard.

    We used to have public executions. Hanging folks in the town
    square. Or on top of court houses for all to see. Today we do
    things behind closed doors, with only invited guests allowed
    to view the lethal injections of those condemned to die.

    Why was it not too gross to show dead bodies of dead Ukrainian
    civilians killed by Russian soldiers but too gross to show dead
    bodies of school children killed by a crazy guy in Texas?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 01:40:00
    On 06-14-22 07:21, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: House Bill <=-


    Rubbish. The people who open the envelopes
    consist of a Democrat and
    Republican -- and they record the vote as written.

    What qualifies one of those envelope openers as a Democrat or a Republican? (Please don't say their voter registration card!)

    What would you use instead?

    Voting record, campaign contribution record, checking account history.

    Is there a record of how one voted in previous elections? I think not
    since one's vote is a secret.
    How many people of either party make contributions? I cannot see that
    as a litmus test.
    Would you want to have people digging into your checking account
    history? I certainly would not.

    Switching parties to complete a task doesn't seem like it would be difficult.

    I agree that one can switch parties hardly any difficulty. They would
    simply have to fill out an amended voter registration. But why go to
    that extreme?

    In many cases, the election officers are from a local precinct and are
    known by their neighbors who might also be election officers. Making
    just such a switch with the purpose of mucking up the voters does not
    seem all that plausible. If it does happen, and voters were denied then
    there might well be criminal charges against such a person.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 01:51:04
    On 06-15-22 01:24, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about House Bill <=-

    Why was it not too gross to show dead bodies of dead Ukrainian
    civilians killed by Russian soldiers but too gross to show dead
    bodies of school children killed by a crazy guy in Texas?

    It is a matter of media standards. The pictures of civilians who were
    killed did not show them as having their heads or limbs chopped off.
    The bodies of the school children had severe mutilation, including
    their heads being blown up so badly that were unrecognizable. That is
    what an AR-15 does to human flesh.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 02:06:08
    On 06-14-22 06:30, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: House Bill <=-

    Assault-style weapons (such as AR-15s) are too easily available
    for those who commit such horrific crimes. Taking away easy access
    to those weapons (and large capacity magazines) would be a start.
    A ban, with real teeth, and no loopholes.

    Yea but those heroic house Democrats don't want to take
    assault weapons off the
    market, they just want to confine the mass shootings to aggressors age
    21 or older. Is that how they're gonna stick it to the gun
    manufacturers? Surely it won't be that big of a setback for them.

    I hope that your tongue did not hurt your cheek with that statement.
    People in Congress know that a total ban against AR-15 assault weapons
    would be blocked by the Republicans.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 18:03:00
    Voting record, campaign contribution record, checking account history.

    Is there a record of how one voted in previous elections? I think not
    since one's vote is a secret.

    I am not sure they have a way to track that by the way the ballots are
    done now, but there are a lot of other things about elections and voting that
    I thought were secret until I started working for state government 20+ years ago.

    I don't know that they care as much now but, back then, if they could find
    out how you voted I am 100% sure they would have. Once upon a time, here,
    they did know. Not sure how but they did. The new governor would take
    office, and the next morning the local radio station would read a list of people who didn't need to bother to go back to work.

    That was pre-merit system. Now they can only do appointees that way (and
    they don't do it on the radio).


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 14:53:11
    Voting record, campaign contribution record, checking account history

    Is there a record of how one voted in previous elections? I think not since one's vote is a secret.
    How many people of either party make contributions? I cannot see that
    as a litmus test.
    Would you want to have people digging into your checking account
    history? I certainly would not.

    Maybe knowing who they voted for is not possible but if someone donated to a Democrat's campaign, then I wouldn't trust them with my ballot. Are you gonna trust Ted Nugent with yours?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 15, 2022 21:01:09
    I hope that your tongue did not hurt your cheek with that statement. People in Congress know that a total ban against AR-15 assault weapons would be blocked by the Republicans.

    Yea, or the media will have you thinking so. They need a bill with more than just a gun take-away; significantly more. Because otherwise that's all it is, and there's no guarantee that the guns are being taken away from would-be murderers.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, June 16, 2022 18:01:46
    Hello Dale,

    Why was it not too gross to show dead bodies of dead Ukrainian
    civilians killed by Russian soldiers but too gross to show dead
    bodies of school children killed by a crazy guy in Texas?

    It is a matter of media standards.

    And also a matter of human decency.

    The pictures of civilians who were killed did not show them as having their
    heads or limbs chopped off.

    The news media did show Saddam Hussein being hanged, with his head
    nearly popping off at the end of the rope. But since GWB had demonized
    him for so long, nobody objected to that grisly scene. Nor did anybody
    object to the bodies of his dead sons being shown, both of them shot
    up to the point of almost being unrecognizable.

    The bodies of the school children had severe mutilation, including
    their heads being blown up so badly that were unrecognizable. That is what an AR-15 does to human flesh.

    As every US soldier who has used an M-16 in combat can attest.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, June 16, 2022 18:01:58
    Hello Aaron,

    Voting record, campaign contribution record, checking account
    history

    Is there a record of how one voted in previous elections? I think
    not
    since one's vote is a secret.
    How many people of either party make contributions? I cannot see
    that
    as a litmus test.
    Would you want to have people digging into your checking account
    history? I certainly would not.

    Maybe knowing who they voted for is not possible but if someone donated to a
    Democrat's campaign, then I wouldn't trust them with my ballot. Are you gonna
    trust Ted Nugent with yours?

    Having a secret ballot is integral to democracy. Without it, there
    would be far too much abuse, making it impossible for liberty and
    freedom to exist. That is why there are curtains in polling booths.
    And no signature line on any paper ballots.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, June 16, 2022 18:02:04
    Hello Aaron,

    I hope that your tongue did not hurt your cheek with that statement.
    People in Congress know that a total ban against AR-15 assault weapons
    would be blocked by the Republicans.

    Yea, or the media will have you thinking so.

    And yet it is those very same Republicans who are blocking all
    efforts for having any kind of AR-15 assault weapons ban.

    They need a bill with more than just a gun take-away; significantly more.

    How good of you to be so supportive of the bipartisan bill passed by
    the House, thanks to Speaker Pelosi's leadership. Too bad Moscow Mitch
    will never allow it to even be brought up for a discussion, much less
    a vote, in the Senate.

    Because otherwise that's all it is, and there's no guarantee that the guns are being taken away from would-be murderers.

    Doing nothing is not an answer. And doing next-do-nothing is hardly
    any better. But at least there are 20 US Senators, both Democrats and Republicans, who have agreed to pass a limited gun control measure.

    That will at least be a starting point for better and more important
    measures to be passed in future legislation ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 16, 2022 19:44:01
    Having a secret ballot is integral to democracy. Without it, there
    would be far too much abuse, making it impossible for liberty and
    freedom to exist. That is why there are curtains in polling booths.
    And no signature line on any paper ballots.

    Yes, you're right, but to say "we've got one conservative and one liberal handling the ballots" is unprovable BS, unless it's going by their actual voting records, and even that wouldn't be an accurate way to judge their affiliation.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 16, 2022 19:46:28
    They need a bill with more than just a gun take-away; significantly m

    How good of you to be so supportive of the bipartisan bill passed by
    the House, thanks to Speaker Pelosi's leadership. Too bad Moscow Mitch will never allow it to even be brought up for a discussion, much less
    a vote, in the Senate.

    If any good comes out of this gun-grab, then I'll be grateful for that. Any Republicans voting against it are rino power for November.

    More measures to come later? This is just a starting point? Yea right - that's a pitch to give people a false sense of security; like "don't worry about gun violence anymore because the senate fixed it all up." Yea right. Not good enough.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 17, 2022 06:11:24
    On 16 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Having a secret ballot is integral to democracy. Without it, there would be far too much abuse, making it impossible for liberty and freedom to exist. That is why there are curtains in polling booths. And no signature line on any paper ballots.
    Yes, you're right, but to say "we've got one conservative and one liberal handling the ballots" is unprovable BS, unless it's going by their actual voting records, and even that wouldn't be an accurate way to judge their affiliation.

    It's not "one conservative and one liberal;" it's "one Republican and one Democrat" (plus one independent, if applicable). They are generally appointed by either a Republican/Democrat on the ballot, or by the local Republican/Democrat organization. There is generally a provision for independents and write-in candidates to appoint people as well, but that's irrelevant here.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, June 17, 2022 12:56:41
    It's not "one conservative and one liberal;" it's "one Republican and one Democrat" (plus one independent, if applicable). They are generally appointed by either a Republican/Democrat on the ballot, or by the local

    That sounds good (appointed by a candidate.) But you said "generally" so that makes me worry.

    "We generally have a republican and a democrat but the republican didn't show up for duty and he was last seen with a wad of cash in his hand."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, June 17, 2022 12:42:26
    On 17 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    It's not "one conservative and one liberal;" it's "one Republican and Democrat" (plus one independent, if applicable). They are generally appointed by either a Republican/Democrat on the ballot, or by the l
    That sounds good (appointed by a candidate.) But you said "generally" so that makes me worry.

    That's how it is in Texas. You'll have to look up your own state's laws yourself, big boy.

    "We generally have a republican and a democrat but the republican didn't show up for duty and he was last seen with a wad of cash in his hand."

    That doesn't sound good.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, June 18, 2022 03:30:28
    Hello Aaron,

    Having a secret ballot is integral to democracy. Without it, there
    would be far too much abuse, making it impossible for liberty and
    freedom to exist. That is why there are curtains in polling booths.
    And no signature line on any paper ballots.

    Yes, you're right, but to say "we've got one conservative and one liberal handling the ballots" is unprovable BS, unless it's going by their actual voting records, and even that wouldn't be an accurate way to judge their affiliation.

    An individual's party affiliation (if any) has nothing to do with
    the price of rice in China. Fairness in elections and the election
    process is necessary for democracy to survive. We all know how fair
    Putin's "democracy" is in Russia. Is that what we should want here
    in the USA? I don't think so ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, June 18, 2022 03:30:34
    Hello Aaron,

    They need a bill with more than just a gun take-away;
    significantly m

    How good of you to be so supportive of the bipartisan bill passed by
    the House, thanks to Speaker Pelosi's leadership. Too bad Moscow
    Mitch
    will never allow it to even be brought up for a discussion, much less
    a vote, in the Senate.

    If any good comes out of this gun-grab, then I'll be grateful for that. Any
    Republicans voting against it are rino power for November.

    Twenty US Senators (ten from each party) struck a deal to pass a
    limited bipartisan gun control bill. Not the same legislation as the
    assault weapons ban passed by the House, but one that will pass both
    houses within the next two weeks.

    More measures to come later?

    Absolutely.

    This is just a starting point?

    Book on it.

    Yea right - that's a pitch to give people a false sense of security; like "don't worry about gun violence anymore because the senate fixed it all up." Yea right. Not good enough.

    An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. The number of mass
    shootings went down. Way down. The number of other shootings also
    went down. Way down. Republicans let the legislation lapse ten
    years later. The number of mass shootings tripled ...

    There is such a thing as cause and effect. Republicans are the
    Party of Death. Democrats are the Party of Life. Most folks like
    to Party Party Party ... Party like 1999. Prince was great.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 19, 2022 10:00:46
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    That sounds good (appointed by a candidate.) But you said "generally"
    so that makes me worry.

    Weasel words are the way that the ignorant left get out from losing arguments.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Sunday, June 19, 2022 09:39:13
    On 19 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    That sounds good (appointed by a candidate.) But you said "generally" so that makes me worry.
    Weasel words are the way that the ignorant left get out from losing arguments.

    Bullsh!t, Ron. Having facts on our side is how the left gets out of losing arguments. The (well-documented) ignorant right, not so much.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 04:07:22
    An individual's party affiliation (if any) has nothing to do with
    the price of rice in China. Fairness in elections and the election
    process is necessary for democracy to survive. We all know how fair Putin's "democracy" is in Russia. Is that what we should want here
    in the USA? I don't think so ...

    Maybe Russian voters are too scared to vote against Putin, and that's a shame, but we've got a similar phenomenon going on here already: people want to be friends with the elites, and the only way they know how is by voting Democrat.

    Ted Danson voted Democrat, and he ended up in bed with Whoopi Goldberg. Keep
    it up, and you'll wind up in bed with her some day too ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 04:26:38
    An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. The number of mass
    shootings went down. Way down. The number of other shootings also
    went down. Way down. Republicans let the legislation lapse ten
    years later. The number of mass shootings tripled ...

    I believe it, but now we're gonna raise the age from 18 to 21 for purchasing assault weapons, during a time when 70 year olds are doing mass shootings in churches with single shot pistols, because Matthew Mcconaughey knows best.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 10:53:57
    On 21 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    An individual's party affiliation (if any) has nothing to do with
    the price of rice in China. Fairness in elections and the election process is necessary for democracy to survive. We all know how fair Putin's "democracy" is in Russia. Is that what we should want here
    in the USA? I don't think so ...
    Maybe Russian voters are too scared to vote against Putin, and that's a shame, but we've got a similar phenomenon going on here already: people want to be friends with the elites, and the only way they know how is by voting Democrat.
    Ted Danson voted Democrat, and he ended up in bed with Whoopi Goldberg. Keep it up, and you'll wind up in bed with her some day too ;)

    Is that how Trump wound up in bed with Stormy Daniels, too?

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 20:25:41
    Hello Aaron,

    An individual's party affiliation (if any) has nothing to do with
    the price of rice in China. Fairness in elections and the election
    process is necessary for democracy to survive. We all know how fair
    Putin's "democracy" is in Russia. Is that what we should want here
    in the USA? I don't think so ...

    Maybe Russian voters are too scared to vote against Putin, and that's a shame,

    Putin is an autocrat. Russia does not have free and fair elections.
    When any serious opponent appears to challenge him, that opponent
    winds up in gulag before even being allowed to have his name put on
    a ballot.

    but we've got a similar phenomenon going on here already:

    We have free and fair elections here in the USA.
    Joe Biden received 7 million more votes than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden also received 306 electoral votes from the Electoral
    College - more than the 270 needed to win.

    people want to be friends with the elites, and the only way they know how is
    by voting Democrat.

    On January 6, 147 Republicans (the majority of the Republican
    members of Congress) refused to accept the votes of the American
    people and attempted to overthrow the elected government of the
    United States.

    Some would dare call that treason.

    Ted Danson voted Democrat, and he ended up in bed with Whoopi Goldberg.

    Mr. Mayor is from New Orleans. Loved to party in the French Quarter.
    Which is where he met Whoopi, wearing her purple hat.

    Keep it up, and you'll wind up in bed with her some day too ;)

    Only if Mr. Mayor gets elected President.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 20:25:48
    Hello Aaron,

    An assault weapons ban was passed in 1994. The number of mass
    shootings went down. Way down. The number of other shootings also
    went down. Way down. Republicans let the legislation lapse ten
    years later. The number of mass shootings tripled ...

    I believe it, but now we're gonna raise the age from 18 to 21 for purchasing
    assault weapons, during a time when 70 year olds are doing mass shootings in
    churches with single shot pistols, because Matthew Mcconaughey knows best.

    Unfortunately, not even that baby step of raising the legal age from
    18 to 21 for assault weapons will be mandated. Such a sad state of
    affairs this country's refusal to take any serious steps towards
    real gun control. More mass shootings to come, endorsed by the NRA
    and Republican politicians ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 21, 2022 18:59:04
    I believe it, but now we're gonna raise the age from 18 to 21 for purchasing
    assault weapons, during a time when 70 year olds are doing mass shoot in
    churches with single shot pistols, because Matthew Mcconaughey knows

    Unfortunately, not even that baby step of raising the legal age from
    18 to 21 for assault weapons will be mandated. Such a sad state of
    affairs this country's refusal to take any serious steps towards
    real gun control. More mass shootings to come, endorsed by the NRA
    and Republican politicians ...

    It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.

    It also makes no difference if they're being shot at by 18 year olds or 70
    year olds; it hurts either way.

    Get serious! Find ways to protect people instead of just finding ways to
    disarm people.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, June 22, 2022 08:11:49
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.

    It also makes no difference if they're being shot at by 18 year olds or
    70 year olds; it hurts either way.

    Get serious! Find ways to protect people instead of just finding ways
    to disarm people.

    The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room:
    1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often they aren't enforced.
    2. Criminals don't obey laws.
    3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that did nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend there.

    There's already a federal law on the books that if a convicted felon even touches a firearm, it's an automatic return to prison. States that enforced this law (when the Federal Administration was interested in reducing crime - unlike now) saw a sharp drop in firearm crimes.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Wednesday, June 22, 2022 08:04:46
    On 22 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room:
    1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often they aren't enforced.

    Then clearly they're not the right laws.

    2. Criminals don't obey laws.

    They can be punished for disobeying them, though. And laws that non-criminals follow can prevent criminals from acquiring guns.

    3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that did nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend there.

    This is an extremely dated comment. Chicago no longer has the strict gun laws that it once did, and hasn't for some time.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:32:43
    On 22 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 22 Jun 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room: 1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often th aren't enforced.

    Then clearly they're not the right laws.

    2. Criminals don't obey laws.

    They can be punished for disobeying them, though. And laws that non-criminals follow can prevent criminals from acquiring guns.

    3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend the

    This is an extremely dated comment. Chicago no longer has the strict gun laws that it once did, and hasn't for some time.

    Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?
    This is what happens when a mayor who looks helluva a lot like the shrunken head of beetlejuice runs the city.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 22, 2022 10:28:18
    On 22 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?

    Since when do criminals abide by any laws? And yet, we have and have always
    had laws. Strange, that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wednesday, June 22, 2022 13:00:38
    The Ignorant Elitists don't want to address the elephant in the room:
    1. There are already many laws on the books about guns - but often they aren't enforced.
    2. Criminals don't obey laws.
    3. Places like Chicago already have very draconian gun laws, yet that did nothing to prevent the 47 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend there.

    The narrative that's floating around is that gun laws are the answer to our problem (even though a few of us can see that it's not the answer.)

    By promoting anti-gun laws, Democrats/rinos are appealing to the idiots who are under that spell.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, June 23, 2022 00:30:47
    On 22 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 22 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?

    Since when do criminals abide by any laws? And yet, we have and have always had laws. Strange, that.
    It's because most people who own guns are responsible gun owners, ya know
    hard working people who are contributing members of society.
    I am sure you would not know anything about that though.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, June 23, 2022 08:11:19
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The narrative that's floating around is that gun laws are the answer to our problem (even though a few of us can see that it's not the answer.)

    I think that most people can see that today.

    By promoting anti-gun laws, Democrats/rinos are appealing to the idiots who are under that spell.

    I think that the Dems/RINOs are doing the "squeeky wheel gets the grease". They hear from a very small, but loud, group and are not bothering to find out what the majority actually think.

    The smart congress-critters are starting to realize that the small, loud group doesn't represent enough people are are starting to ignore them.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 23, 2022 08:11:19
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?

    The Ignorant Elitists have no understanding of human nature.

    This is what happens when a mayor who looks helluva a lot like the shrunken head of beetlejuice runs the city.

    You left off "... into the ground" from the end of your sentance.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 23, 2022 08:21:29
    On 23 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Since when do thugs and perps abide by gun laws?
    Since when do criminals abide by any laws? And yet, we have and have always had laws. Strange, that.
    It's because most people who own guns are responsible gun owners, ya know hard working people who are contributing members of society.
    I am sure you would not know anything about that though.

    That's a non-answer.

    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:06:28
    On 23 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?
    For the same reason when a cop pulls us over, most of us comply with the rule of law, but there are others who want to make this about race, and would
    rather flash their race-card as they argue and even fight with the officer.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 23, 2022 09:28:09
    On 23 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?
    For the same reason when a cop pulls us over, most of us comply with the rule of law, but there are others who want to make this about race, and would rather flash their race-card as they argue and even fight with the officer.

    That's not a reason at all.

    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 23, 2022 15:26:52
    Hello Gregory!

    23 Jun 22 10:06, you wrote to Jeff Thiele:

    On 23 Jun 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?
    For the same reason when a cop pulls us over, most of us comply with
    the rule of law, but there are others who want to make this about
    race, and would rather flash their race-card as they argue and even
    fight with the officer.


    That reminds me, have you seen the videos of the "Soverign Citizens" getting pulled over?


    Mike


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, June 23, 2022 17:07:00
    That's a non-answer.

    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?

    So that the criminals can be punished for breaking them when they get
    caught.

    There are also some honest people that may find themselves in desperate situations, and having laws discourages them from doing something they
    would not normally do.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, June 23, 2022 20:27:38
    On 23 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?
    So that the criminals can be punished for breaking them when they get caught.
    There are also some honest people that may find themselves in desperate situations, and having laws discourages them from doing something they would not normally do.

    Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every type of
    law except gun laws?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Thursday, June 23, 2022 16:53:03
    By promoting anti-gun laws, Democrats/rinos are appealing to the idio who are under that spell.

    I think that the Dems/RINOs are doing the "squeeky wheel gets the
    grease". They hear from a very small, but loud, group and are not bothering to find out what the majority actually think.

    That's a good way to describe it. They didn't care about abortion either,
    until that wheel started squeaking. But all they did about it was sqawk about it for a couple weeks, until their idiot followers absorbed the narrative, but now they've returned to the nest.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, June 23, 2022 22:28:36
    Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every type
    of law except gun laws?
    Registered Gun Owners are not the ones scratching off serial numbers. Typically they are not the ones in da hood acting like ganster wannabe either.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 23, 2022 22:41:48
    On 23 Jun 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every ty of law except gun laws?
    Registered Gun Owners are not the ones scratching off serial numbers. Typically they are not the ones in da hood acting like ganster wannabe either.

    Gun laws are not the only laws that criminals break. And yet, we still have laws.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, June 24, 2022 17:13:00
    Why do we have any laws at all, if criminals don't obey them?
    So that the criminals can be punished for breaking them when they get caught.
    There are also some honest people that may find themselves in desperate situations, and having laws discourages them from doing something they would not normally do.

    Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every type of law except gun laws?

    I don't think conservatives do think that. There are already laws on the
    books to discourage the second group. We expect the first group, the criminals, to be punished for breaking those laws.

    For some reason, they are not. Putting more laws on the books to deter
    persons who are already deterred (the honest) and that only punish those
    that are abiding by the law is a waste of time and taxpayer money,
    especially if the punishment for those that are not honest and not law
    abiding is not enforced.

    To change your question up a bit, why is it that leftists think that yet another new gun law will be any different?

    We were still a country of armed citizens 40-50 years ago, but yet there
    did not seem to be the same number of mass shootings. So, if people had
    guns and were not shooting each other, why not? Maybe it would be
    worthwhile to figure out why and try and fix that?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, June 24, 2022 16:29:00
    Bingo. So how is it that conservatives think that applies to every t
    of law except gun laws?
    Registered Gun Owners are not the ones scratching off serial numbers. Typically they are not the ones in da hood acting like ganster wannabe either.

    Gun laws are not the only laws that criminals break. And yet, we still have laws.

    Yes, and more laws that are aimed towards behaviors that are already
    covered by laws and which criminals already break will suddenly start preventing criminals from breaking them how?


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 26, 2022 02:30:06
    On 06-21-22 18:59, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Ar-15 <=-

    Unfortunately, not even that baby step of raising the legal age from
    18 to 21 for assault weapons will be mandated. Such a sad state of
    affairs this country's refusal to take any serious steps towards
    real gun control. More mass shootings to come, endorsed by the NRA
    and Republican politicians ...

    It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.

    I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With
    the former I have a decent chance of survival, especially if the shooter
    is not a marksman who can hit the head or center mass. With the AR-15,
    it hardly matters where the first bullet hits you. The remaining
    bullets spray all over and when they hit, they explode to do maximum
    damage. That is why the childred at that Texas school could not be
    identified by normal means -- their heads had been turned into chopped
    meat.
    Dale Shipp
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:23:00
    I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With
    the former I have a decent chance of survival, especially if the shooter
    is not a marksman who can hit the head or center mass. With the AR-15,
    it hardly matters where the first bullet hits you. The remaining
    bullets spray all over and when they hit, they explode to do maximum
    damage. That is why the childred at that Texas school could not be identified by normal means -- their heads had been turned into chopped
    meat.

    While single-shot pistols don't likely have that kind of ammo, part of what
    you are describing is not a function of the weapon but the ammunition. The type of ammo a gun is loaded with determines whether or not it expands or "explodes" when/before it reaches a target, not the weapon that fired it.

    The AR-15 can be loaded with such ammo, but it is not required to be.

    Also, the civilain AR-15 is (supposed to be) a semi-automatic rifle and
    they can fire different calibre ammunition based on their configuration.

    What you are describing would be a fully-automatic rifle, which IIRC the military model AR-15 could be configured as. I don't know what he had but, since it was supposedly acquired legally, it is possible it was altered in
    a way that might not be legal, or he somehow purchased legally a former military weapon.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 26, 2022 12:08:10
    It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.

    I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With

    Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 26, 2022 13:26:55
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    To change your question up a bit, why is it that leftists think that
    yet another new gun law will be any different?

    Because the Ignorant Elitists will never admit that their policies are failures. Therefore they must double down on their failed policies. To do otherwise would imply that their policies are failures.

    So if their policies aren't having the effect that they had hoped, they obviously need more of the same policies - that failed.

    We were still a country of armed citizens 40-50 years ago, but yet
    there did not seem to be the same number of mass shootings. So, if
    people had guns and were not shooting each other, why not? Maybe it
    would be worthwhile to figure out why and try and fix that?

    But that would require work, research and, **gasp** they might find out that their Narrative is false.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, June 26, 2022 13:26:55
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to
    have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.

    Hence the push, in the People's Socialist Utopia of California right now, to require people to "get insurance" for all their guns. A sneaky way of gun registration, which is the first step to gun confiscation.


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  • From Jimmy Anderson@1:116/18 to Ron L. on Sunday, June 26, 2022 14:24:00
    Ron L. wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    We were still a country of armed citizens 40-50 years ago, but yet
    there did not seem to be the same number of mass shootings. So, if
    people had guns and were not shooting each other, why not? Maybe it
    would be worthwhile to figure out why and try and fix that?

    But that would require work, research and, **gasp** they might find out that their Narrative is false.

    I graduated high school in 1985. As late as the late 70's, it was nothing
    to have a gun in the 'gun rack' on a pickup truck in the school parking
    lot. I carried a pocket knife every day for most of my life, including to school. Never shot or stabbed a single person...

    We also had the 10 Commandments on the wall and the Gideons would bring
    bibles to the 5th grade class once a year. We didn't have 'a moment of
    silence' at the beginning of the day, and we didn't have a prayer led
    by the teacher, but morals were taught and you were expected to respect yourself and each other.

    We also had ZERO school shootings that I remember...




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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Sunday, June 26, 2022 19:17:06
    Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.

    Hence the push, in the People's Socialist Utopia of California right
    now, to require people to "get insurance" for all their guns. A sneaky way of gun registration, which is the first step to gun confiscation.

    It sounds like they're trying to appeal to dummies. "Look at what we're
    doing to keep you safe!"

    I'd like to know what they plan on doing about illegal gun sales, 3D-printed guns, stolen guns, and guns that can walk accross the border.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, June 27, 2022 00:51:04
    On 06-26-22 12:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Ar-15 <=-

    It's not good enough. People don't want to be shot at by single shot pistols any more than they want to be shot at by automatics.

    I would much rather be shot by a single shot pistol than an AR-15. With

    Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to
    have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.

    True, but it would take time, if civilian possesion of AR-15s were
    outlawed now, then they would eventually not be in the public sector.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Monday, June 27, 2022 01:02:08
    On 06-26-22 13:26, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: Ar-15 <=-

    Thanks for that explanation, I get what you mean, but gun laws aren't going to give people that choice. As much as Democrats would love to
    have the power, they can not control what kind of guns are already in circulation.

    Hence the push, in the People's Socialist Utopia of California right
    now, to require people to "get insurance" for all their guns. A sneaky way of gun registration, which is the first step to gun confiscation.

    States require insurance to drive a car. Why not insurance to have a
    gun.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Monday, June 27, 2022 16:28:00
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    To change your question up a bit, why is it that leftists think that
    yet another new gun law will be any different?

    Because the Ignorant Elitists will never admit that their policies are failures. Therefore they must double down on their failed policies. To do otherwise would imply that their policies are failures.

    I am hoping he will eventually answer that question, but I am not expecting
    an admission that previous policies failed (unless the blame is pointed completely at someone else).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, June 27, 2022 16:35:00
    States require insurance to drive a car. Why not insurance to have a
    gun.

    Owning a car is not a hot political topic. Owning a gun is. Data
    aggregation companies ("big data") would then have access to your
    information regarding gun ownership, just like they currently do your car
    and home ownership.

    Soon, potential employers (some of whom we know are not at all shy about
    their politics), loan approvers, and all sorts of other folks would have
    access to that information.

    I am already not super happy that "big data" has the info that they do have
    on each one of us, so being able to profile someone based on gun ownership
    does not give me any warm fuzzies.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Mike Powell on Monday, June 27, 2022 06:58:00
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    What you are describing would be a fully-automatic rifle, which IIRC
    the military model AR-15 could be configured as. I don't know what he
    had but, since it was supposedly acquired legally, it is possible it
    was altered in a way that might not be legal, or he somehow purchased legally a former military weapon.

    I'm pretty sure that making an AR-15 fully automatic would be a felony.

    There's been a automatic rifle ban for many years. The only ones available
    are restricted, made before 1968 and very expensive.

    Semi-automatic weapons range from AR-15s to hunting rifles to pistols. Most
    of the "assault weapon" bans have dealt with magazine size and specific brands, which make lots of loopholes. At the end of the day, they all can shoot rounds as quickly as you could pull the trigger - and can cause the
    kind of pain and suffering we see all too often.

    I'd like to see all of the removeable magazine guns off the streets, but
    allow semi-automatic with a limited internal magazine, as a semi-automatic rifle that's manually fed into an internal magazine still has a use in hunting. I don't need to be able to shoot 60 rounds in 10 seconds using 3 20-round magazines to hunt, but being able to shoot 6 rounds at a time
    before manually reloading seems like an effective compromise.

    Then again, we fought a world war and a half with bolt-action, manually-fed rifles.















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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Tuesday, June 28, 2022 16:30:00
    Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

    What you are describing would be a fully-automatic rifle, which IIRC
    the military model AR-15 could be configured as. I don't know what he had but, since it was supposedly acquired legally, it is possible it
    was altered in a way that might not be legal, or he somehow purchased legally a former military weapon.

    I'm pretty sure that making an AR-15 fully automatic would be a felony.

    That is sort of where I was going but didn't want to say for sure because I
    am not 100% certain. Maybe it is not in Texas, but I think it is all over
    the US.

    Semi-automatic weapons range from AR-15s to hunting rifles to pistols. Most of the "assault weapon" bans have dealt with magazine size and specific brands, which make lots of loopholes. At the end of the day, they all can shoot rounds as quickly as you could pull the trigger - and can cause the kind of pain and suffering we see all too often.

    I don't question that, and they all can fire as fast as you can pull. I
    was only questioning if it was really a full-automatic. If it was "legally purchased," which the press says it was, then it was illegally modified
    after the fact, making it no longer a legal firearm, or it was not full-auto.

    I'd like to see all of the removeable magazine guns off the streets, but allow semi-automatic with a limited internal magazine, as a semi-automatic rifle that's manually fed into an internal magazine still has a use in hunting. I don't need to be able to shoot 60 rounds in 10 seconds using 3 20-round magazines to hunt, but being able to shoot 6 rounds at a time
    before manually reloading seems like an effective compromise.

    Then again, we fought a world war and a half with bolt-action, manually-fed rifles.

    Which only works if the person you are trying to defend yourself against is using the same kind of weapon, and has not illegally modified it.
    Otherwise, you might just as well be trying to fight them with nothing. If they are the ones breaking the law to begin with, I would not trust them to
    not modify their gun.


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