• Re: ArcaOS DOS window fi

    From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Rick Smith on Thursday, May 07, 2020 19:37:08
    Rick Smith wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I did try this, still does not allow me to use windows, I
    can start full screen then alt-home to a window.

    What display driver are you using?

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Don Lowery on Thursday, May 07, 2020 19:37:10
    Don Lowery wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Thank you!!!

    Sure thing. FYI, I am using the SNAP drivers under ArcaOS.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Kevin Nunn on Thursday, May 07, 2020 19:48:18
    Kevin Nunn wrote to Rick Smith <=-

    There was another part of that if this by itself did not work. And I am
    at the office, so can't look it up. But it has to do with issuing a
    MODE statement in the autoexec.bat. I do remember that much.

    Ah, yes!

    It was a MODE statement ...

    Let me look it up.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Sean Dennis on Friday, May 08, 2020 07:40:42
    Thank you!!!
    Sure thing. FYI, I am using the SNAP drivers under ArcaOS.

    I'll go back to them. The reason I went back to Panorama was the text in command prompts was very hard to read.

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  • From Rick Smith@1:340/202.1 to Sean Dennis on Friday, May 08, 2020 09:37:15
    //Hello Sean, //

    On *07.05.20* At *19:37:08* you replied to a post in *OS2*
    from *Rick Smith* About *"Re: ArcaOS DOS window fi"*.

    Rick Smith wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I did try this, still does not allow me to use windows, I
    can start full screen then alt-home to a window.

    What display driver are you using?

    I am pretty sure I am using the Panorama video drivers. I am on a thinkpad and I let it choose defaults, this thinkpad has intel video not nvidia.


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Don Lowery on Saturday, May 09, 2020 00:10:06
    Don Lowery wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I'll go back to them. The reason I went back to Panorama was the text
    in command prompts was very hard to read.

    For OS/2 and DOS windowed sessions, open the window, left-click on the icon
    in the upper-left corner, and select "Font Size". That's it. :)

    I understand, I have to use larger fonts even with reading glasses.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Rick Smith on Saturday, May 09, 2020 00:12:10
    Rick Smith wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I am pretty sure I am using the Panorama video drivers. I
    am on a thinkpad and I let it choose defaults, this
    thinkpad has intel video not nvidia.

    Switch it to SNAP. Panorama isn't the best. I've used SNAP for at least 15 years now without issue. SNAP support Intel video and with ArcaOS's
    version, it will support the later Intel chipsets.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Sean Dennis on Sunday, May 10, 2020 21:16:15
    For OS/2 and DOS windowed sessions, open the window, left-click on the icon in the upper-left corner, and select "Font Size". That's it. :)

    Tried to get that to work...but it made the system reboot itself...so was thinking that as long as I'm using all OS/2 software...it's not going to be
    an issue until they get the fix coded into the OS.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, June 01, 2020 16:07:26
    Robert Wolfe wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    So IBM still won't give up the goods, huh? Wonder why?

    It's not IBM, it's Microsoft. M$ still owns a lot of the OS/2 code (and why they chose to use it to create NT, et cetera). From what I've heard from
    IBM insiders--now this is going on the better part of twenty years ago but I
    am safely assuming this is still true--M$ is afraid if OS/2 was open
    sourced, they'd wind up getting an open-sourced OS/2-Windows hybrid that
    they'd lose to. XD

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Sean Dennis on Monday, June 01, 2020 20:17:50
    why they chose to use it to create NT, et cetera). From what I've heard from IBM insiders--now this is going on the better part of twenty years ago but I am safely assuming this is still true--M$ is afraid if OS/2
    was open sourced, they'd wind up getting an open-sourced OS/2-Windows hybrid that they'd lose to. XD

    Also take it that if Arca could get away with it...setting up WINE to run current Windows programs would be the game changer Microsux is especially afraid of? Wished we could run the same route as React OS without still being in alpha 20-30 years later.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Don Lowery on Tuesday, June 02, 2020 16:16:10
    Don Lowery wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Also take it that if Arca could get away with it...setting up WINE to
    run current Windows programs would be the game changer Microsux is especially afraid of? Wished we could run the same route as React OS without still being in alpha 20-30 years later.

    WINE is not the end-all-be-all to run Windows programs. WINE is a kludge.
    Now there is something similar to WINE for OS/2 called Odin though I have
    never used it. There's something else also, I think called "win32s", but I have never explored either option and perhaps others in here would be better suited to help you with this.

    I admit that if it wasn't for the BBS, I'd not be dealing with OS/2 anymore. There's still too many limitations for me to use ArcaOS as my personal OS
    even though I still love OS/2 in general.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, June 03, 2020 20:26:00
    On 06-02-20 16:16, Sean Dennis wrote to Don Lowery <=-

    WINE is not the end-all-be-all to run Windows programs. WINE is a
    kludge. Now there is something similar to WINE for OS/2 called Odin

    Did Odin ever mature? I thought it stalled.

    though I have never used it. There's something else also, I think
    called "win32s", but I have never explored either option and perhaps others in here would be better suited to help you with this.

    Win32s is a sumset of Win32, and it initially appeared in the Windows 3.x days.
    It provided a limited subset of Win32 functionality for 16 bit apps. Win32s isn't an OS/2 thing, it's a Microsoft thing.

    I admit that if it wasn't for the BBS, I'd not be dealing with OS/2 anymore. There's still too many limitations for me to use ArcaOS as my personal OS even though I still love OS/2 in general.

    ArcaOS is what I'd like to really resurrect my old BBS under, though it looks like it's likely to come back under DOS/Qemu under Linux or Win64 first.


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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, June 03, 2020 21:44:31
    WINE is not the end-all-be-all to run Windows programs. WINE is a
    kludge. Now there is something similar to WINE for OS/2 called Odin
    though I have never used it. There's something else also, I think
    called "win32s", but I have never explored either option and perhaps others in here would be better suited to help you with this.

    Attempted to setup ODIN...but was not able to do anything else with it. That
    & win32s are interesting ideas...but until they become as easy to setup/use
    as WINE for linux...nice idea.

    I admit that if it wasn't for the BBS, I'd not be dealing with OS/2 anymore. There's still too many limitations for me to use ArcaOS as my personal OS even though I still love OS/2 in general.

    Have to agree with you on this. On the other hand...have my fingers crossed with QT5 coming...many of these limitations will disappear & make it as
    usable as any linux distro out there with the apps available.

    Personally...was never really into cars & such...so running OS/2 & goofing
    off with it is more like having that sports car as a middle aged
    crisis...only without the girlfriend or wife around to feel guilty about. ;)

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Tony Langdon on Thursday, June 04, 2020 13:19:32
    Tony Langdon wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Did Odin ever mature? I thought it stalled.

    AFAIK, it just died out.

    ArcaOS is what I'd like to really resurrect my old BBS under, though it looks like it's likely to come back under DOS/Qemu under Linux or Win64 first.

    I can tell you that though ArcaOS isn't cheap, the functionality and modern usefulness (two different things; can't quite get that "je ne sais pas"
    nailed down yet) is well worth it to run a BBS.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Don Lowery on Thursday, June 04, 2020 13:22:34
    Don Lowery wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Attempted to setup ODIN...but was not able to do anything else with it. That & win32s are interesting ideas...but until they become as easy to setup/use as WINE for linux...nice idea.

    They're both dead in the water so don't get your hopes up.

    Have to agree with you on this. On the other hand...have my fingers crossed with QT5 coming...many of these limitations will disappear &
    make it as usable as any linux distro out there with the apps
    available.

    For me, until Arca becomes 64-bit and multi-user, it's still "crippled" for
    my personal everyday use. You can fudge multi-user by slapping on
    Security/2 but the 32-bit you can't work around.

    Personally...was never really into cars & such...so running OS/2 &
    goofing off with it is more like having that sports car as a middle
    aged crisis...only without the girlfriend or wife around to feel guilty about. ;)

    I love computers and electronics, especially my beloved amateur radio, but I also like to get outside too so cars came naturally to me. These days, I'm looking at getting into fishing as a side hobby since I'm evidently in
    fishing country out here.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 12:09:00
    On 06-04-20 13:19, Sean Dennis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I can tell you that though ArcaOS isn't cheap, the functionality and modern usefulness (two different things; can't quite get that "je ne
    sais pas" nailed down yet) is well worth it to run a BBS.

    Yeah, looks worth a play, and I have a heap of old netbooks that should run it fine kicking around. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 12:26:00
    On 06-04-20 13:22, Sean Dennis wrote to Don Lowery <=-

    For me, until Arca becomes 64-bit and multi-user, it's still "crippled" for my personal everyday use. You can fudge multi-user by slapping on Security/2 but the 32-bit you can't work around.

    For me, the biggest issue is lack of IPv6, which is part of my standard setup here. I can live with the lack of 64 bit and multiuser capabilities for niche applications.

    I love computers and electronics, especially my beloved amateur radio,
    but I also like to get outside too so cars came naturally to me. These days, I'm looking at getting into fishing as a side hobby since I'm evidently in fishing country out here.

    With me, I discovered Masters athletics and now spend a lot of time training and (when not interrupted by COVID-19) competing. :) I thought one was supposed to slow down with age, but I'm the opposite, in all senses of the word. :D


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Tony Langdon on Friday, June 05, 2020 02:55:12
    Tony Langdon wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Yeah, looks worth a play, and I have a heap of old netbooks that should run it fine kicking around. :)

    ArcaOS is still picky about hardware, though. If you do get it, I recommend using SNAP instead of Panorama for your video driver.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Tony Langdon on Friday, June 05, 2020 02:57:14
    Tony Langdon wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    For me, the biggest issue is lack of IPv6, which is part of my standard setup here. I can live with the lack of 64 bit and multiuser
    capabilities for niche applications.

    I don't know if that's going to happen, honestly. The adoption of IPv6 has been extremely slow in the US (my ISP, CenturyLink, doesn't support it for residential connections).

    With me, I discovered Masters athletics and now spend a lot of time training and (when not interrupted by COVID-19) competing. :) I
    thought one was supposed to slow down with age, but I'm the opposite,
    in all senses of the word. :D

    In my current physical state, even walking is technically out of the
    question. I am looking at trying to do something physical to help myself a bit. My fingers are good with all of the typing I do. <G>

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 01:03:14
    That & win32s are interesting ideas...but until they become as easy t setup/use as WINE for linux...nice idea.
    They're both dead in the water so don't get your hopes up.

    Thought so. Actually see more people talking about running BBS's & such than
    I do with ODIN/Win32S.

    crossed with QT5 coming...many of these limitations will disappear & make it as usable as any linux distro out there with the apps available.
    For me, until Arca becomes 64-bit and multi-user, it's still "crippled" for my personal everyday use. You can fudge multi-user by slapping on Security/2 but the 32-bit you can't work around.

    That's a nice dream & would be fantastic...but don't see either MS or IBM playing nice for those of us who would run this.

    I love computers and electronics, especially my beloved amateur radio,
    but I also like to get outside too so cars came naturally to me. These days, I'm looking at getting into fishing as a side hobby since I'm evidently in fishing country out here.

    Many years ago...bought the worst car I ever owned...67 VW Fastback. The money/time I spent on that was amazing...but I wanted a VW. When I got married...the wife/I looked at a Type 2 which needed brakes...but did run for $500. More recently...started looking again & found that time is a very cruel mistress with most of the AC Type I-IV's have rusted away to nothing in
    fields & such. Even with the money...I have no where to do the work...while getting TG/2 running...don't have the same limitations.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 20:03:00
    On 06-05-20 02:55, Sean Dennis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Tony Langdon wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Yeah, looks worth a play, and I have a heap of old netbooks that should run it fine kicking around. :)

    ArcaOS is still picky about hardware, though. If you do get it, I recommend using SNAP instead of Panorama for your video driver.

    Oh, OK. Guess that will make more sense when I get it. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 20:08:00
    On 06-05-20 02:57, Sean Dennis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I don't know if that's going to happen, honestly. The adoption of IPv6 has been extremely slow in the US (my ISP, CenturyLink, doesn't support
    it for residential connections).

    It's slowly spreading across Australia. I've had native IPv6 for 9 years now, and in recent times, one of my mobile connections has gained IPv6. :) So IPv6 is all around me. Running a non IPv6 capable system will be an interesting exercise.

    With me, I discovered Masters athletics and now spend a lot of time training and (when not interrupted by COVID-19) competing. :) I
    thought one was supposed to slow down with age, but I'm the opposite,
    in all senses of the word. :D

    In my current physical state, even walking is technically out of the question. I am looking at trying to do something physical to help
    myself a bit. My fingers are good with all of the typing I do. <G>

    I've got into the sprints mainly, got my 100m time down to a little over 13 seconds, and I'm 52. :)


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  • From Rick Smith@1:340/202.1 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 06:35:26
    Greetings Sean!

    05 Jun 20 02:57, you wrote to Tony Langdon about an urgent matter!:

    Tony Langdon wrote to Sean Dennis <=-


    I don't know if that's going to happen, honestly. The adoption of
    IPv6 has been extremely slow in the US (my ISP, CenturyLink, doesn't support it for residential connections).

    Where are you located Sean? I have Centurylink and I have IPV6 on my gigabit fiber service.




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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Don Lowery on Friday, June 05, 2020 19:20:28
    Don Lowery wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    That's a nice dream & would be fantastic...but don't see either MS or
    IBM playing nice for those of us who would run this.

    Yeah but for running a BBS, I'm quite happy with it.

    Many years ago...bought the worst car I ever owned...67 VW Fastback.
    The money/time I spent on that was amazing...but I wanted a VW. When I
    got married...the wife/I looked at a Type 2 which needed brakes...but
    did run for $500. More recently...started looking again & found that
    time is a very cruel mistress with most of the AC Type I-IV's have
    rusted away to nothing in fields & such. Even with the money...I have
    no where to do the work...while getting TG/2 running...don't have the
    same limitations.

    I used to drive a friend's 69 Bug. Named it Bugamus. Miss that damn car
    like my first car I owned: my '76 Chevette.

    Later,
    Sean


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Rick Smith on Friday, June 05, 2020 19:21:30
    Where are you located Sean? I have Centurylink and I have
    IPV6 on my gigabit fiber service.

    I'm in northeast TN and the only thing I can get out in the sticks is DSL
    and IPv6 is definitely not supported.

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From Don Lowery@1:340/1000 to Sean Dennis on Friday, June 05, 2020 23:53:45
    That's a nice dream & would be fantastic...but don't see either MS or IBM playing nice for those of us who would run this.
    Yeah but for running a BBS, I'm quite happy with it.

    Totally agree with you. The more I work with it...the more I like it.

    I used to drive a friend's 69 Bug. Named it Bugamus. Miss that damn car like my first car I owned: my '76 Chevette.

    1st car was a 71 Impala you started with a screwdriver. Finally got the key start installed...but never dealt with some of the lead pipe they had put in
    to keep from using hoses. Originally had no heater...but the cousin who sold
    it to me worked repairing airplanes...so rather than take the dash
    apart...went in through the right front wheel well. Went to a movie or something when I 1st got it. Forgot to turn it off & burned through 3/4 tank
    of gas...but it was still there when I got ready to head home.

    Another car I used to drive around this time was a 72 Ford Maverick. Had a 3
    on the tree which would lock up in 3rd gear. Learned to start off in 3rd because my hands were too big to release the levers. ;)

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