• Russian intranet

    From andrew clarke@3:633/267 to All on Saturday, March 12, 2022 12:51:11
    If Putin continues his megalomania it's increasingly likely Russia will be disconnected from the global Internet, with the government there choosing to run their own Intranet instead.

    Such a plan has been documented by the BBC and presumably others:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50902496 "Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet", 2019-12-24

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60661987 "Russia-Ukraine: Is internet on verge of break-up?", 2022-03-09

    Conceivably Fido's "underground" nature may aid the prevention of misinformation, but this can only go so far, and won't work if an entire country unplugs itself. Then you're back to the sneakernet days. Presumably the Russian government would also like inspect all their citizens snail mail next.

    A side-effect of Russia's disconnection will be that many of the Russian developers who regularly post patches to FOSS projects like BinkD, Husky, GoldED+ etc will be locked-out of the official repos on GitHub. They might choose to maintain their own forks hosted on a Russian server but if development continues those forks will slowly get out of sync with the main repos. They may also have to abandon the idea of FidoNet altogether if it becomes impossible to communicate with anyone outside Russia.

    Also worth mentioning, the main BinkD repo is maintained by a Ukranian.

    In the overall scheme of things most of this is trivial, and some of these projects are fairly dormant anyway. But as an Australian living on the other side of the world, Fido development has been basically my only contact with Russian people over the years, so the above thoughts popped into my head.

    My thoughts are with the Ukrainians currently under attack, and the many Russians who oppose the invasion.

    Peace.

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  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to andrew clarke on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 10:27:06
    Hello andrew,

    12 Mar 22 12:51, you wrote to All:

    If Putin continues his megalomania it's increasingly likely Russia
    will be disconnected from the global Internet, with the government
    there choosing to run their own Intranet instead.

    Such a plan has been documented by the BBC and presumably others:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50902496 "Russia 'successfully
    tests' its unplugged internet", 2019-12-24

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60661987 "Russia-Ukraine: Is
    internet on verge of break-up?", 2022-03-09

    Conceivably Fido's "underground" nature may aid the prevention of misinformation, but this can only go so far, and won't work if an
    entire country unplugs itself. Then you're back to the sneakernet
    days. Presumably the Russian government would also like inspect all
    their citizens snail mail next.

    A side-effect of Russia's disconnection will be that many of the
    Russian developers who regularly post patches to FOSS projects like
    BinkD, Husky, GoldED+ etc will be locked-out of the official repos on GitHub. They might choose to maintain their own forks hosted on a
    Russian server but if development continues those forks will slowly
    get out of sync with the main repos. They may also have to abandon the idea of FidoNet altogether if it becomes impossible to communicate
    with anyone outside Russia.

    Also worth mentioning, the main BinkD repo is maintained by a
    Ukranian.

    In the overall scheme of things most of this is trivial, and some of
    these projects are fairly dormant anyway. But as an Australian living
    on the other side of the world, Fido development has been basically my only contact with Russian people over the years, so the above thoughts popped into my head.

    My thoughts are with the Ukrainians currently under attack, and the
    many Russians who oppose the invasion.

    they can switch back to plain old telephone lines an can collect fidonet
    via that :)

    Regards,
    --
    dp

    telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

    ... 12:24am up 24 days, 21:22:05, load: 81 processes, 286 threads.
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  • From Real User@1:103/705 to andrew clarke on Monday, February 13, 2023 00:52:14
    On 2022-03-12, andrew clarke <andrew.clarke@3> wrote:

    If Putin continues his megalomania it's increasingly likely Russia will be disconnected from the global Internet, with the government there choosing to run their own Intranet instead.

    Such a plan has been documented by the BBC and presumably others:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50902496 "Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet", 2019-12-24

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60661987 "Russia-Ukraine: Is internet on verge of break-up?", 2022-03-09

    Conceivably Fido's "underground" nature may aid the prevention of misinformation, but this can only go so far, and won't work if an entire country unplugs itself. Then you're back to the sneakernet days. Presumably the Russian government would also like inspect all their citizens snail mail next.

    A side-effect of Russia's disconnection will be that many of the Russian developers who regularly post patches to FOSS projects like BinkD, Husky, GoldED+ etc will be locked-out of the official repos on GitHub. They might choose to maintain their own forks hosted on a Russian server but if development continues those forks will slowly get out of sync with the main repos. They may also have to abandon the idea of FidoNet altogether if it becomes impossible to communicate with anyone outside Russia.

    Also worth mentioning, the main BinkD repo is maintained by a Ukranian.

    In the overall scheme of things most of this is trivial, and some of these projects are fairly dormant anyway. But as an Australian living on the other side of the world, Fido development has been basically my only contact with Russian people over the years, so the above thoughts popped into my head.

    My thoughts are with the Ukrainians currently under attack, and the many Russians who oppose the invasion.

    Peace.

    --- GoldED+/BSD 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Blizzard of Ozz, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia (3:633/267)

    A bit late, but Russians can still use i2pd and for sure proxies/gateways will exist.
    --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to andrew clarke on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:24:38
    andrew wrote (2022-03-12):

    If Putin continues his megalomania it's increasingly likely Russia will
    be disconnected from the global Internet, with the government there choosing to run their own Intranet instead.

    Splendid. Let's disconnect them from the Internet for good.

    Conceivably Fido's "underground" nature may aid the prevention of misinformation, but this can only go so far, and won't work if an entire country unplugs itself. Then you're back to the sneakernet days. Presumably the Russian government would also like inspect all their citizens snail mail next.

    How many active Russian Fidonet users are there (out of 144,699,673)?

    Fidonet works quite good over i2p, Tor and other overlay networks until they are blocked or criminalized by the government. Public RealName™ echomail / nodelist is pretty shitty though for sharing anti-misinformation or free speech in a free-speech restricted country. Especially if it's archived on the web by Synchronet sysops.

    NNCP might be more suitable for "underground" communication.

    A side-effect of Russia's disconnection will be that many of the Russian developers who regularly post patches to FOSS projects like BinkD, Husky, GoldED+ etc will be locked-out of the official repos on GitHub.

    So what? Bus factor 1 ... Shit happens ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Also worth mentioning, the main BinkD repo is maintained by a Ukranian.

    Even before the war development was barely existent. Sometimes a bug fix, but other PRs are still getting ignored.

    In the overall scheme of things most of this is trivial, and some of
    these projects are fairly dormant anyway.

    Indeed.

    But as an Australian living on
    the other side of the world, Fido development has been basically my only contact with Russian people over the years, so the above thoughts popped into my head.

    I wonder what these developers think about the war. Do they care? Do they support it? Is it something you don't talk about publicly, even if you are against the invasion?

    My thoughts are with the Ukrainians currently under attack, and the many Russians who oppose the invasion.

    Peace.

    Will not happen soon, thanks to every single Russian citizen who voted for Putin again and again in election after election.

    Do we have an idea which software should be forked? I mean I don't want use software maintained by a pro-Putin asshole or a delusional guy that believes Ukrainians are Nazis and other crazy stuff (hypothetical speaking). Or do we assume that people in (Russian) Fidonet are always the good guys? Or that software security and trustworthiness is above politics?

    Peace.

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Oli on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 13:10:50
    Hi Oli,

    On 2023-02-14 11:24:38, you wrote to andrew clarke:

    Do we have an idea which software should be forked? I mean I don't
    want use software maintained by a pro-Putin asshole or a delusional
    guy that believes Ukrainians are Nazis and other crazy stuff
    (hypothetical speaking). Or do we assume that people in (Russian)
    Fidonet are always the good guys? Or that software security and trustworthiness is above politics?

    Those are all good questions, I don't have answers for, so:

    I decided for myself I won't use any of the compiled binaries anymore, that come from that region, on my windows point system.

    On my linux node I already compile everything myself, and can check the code changes in the git repos, before I compile and use an update.


    Bye, Wilfred.

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