Been a while since the last count, so here it is ...

Z1 298
Z2 528
Z3 19
Z4 23

These are unique sysop-names, not the number of nodes.

Depending on the counting method it may be off a few nodes, but nothing which would change this reality dramatically.

My guess is that even in those numbers there's a pile of dead wood ...

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Hi Ward,

On 2022-07-05 09:43:23, you wrote to All:

Been a while since the last count, so here it is ...

Z1 298
Z2 528
Z3 19
Z4 23

These are unique sysop-names, not the number of nodes.

Depending on the counting method it may be off a few nodes, but nothing which would change this reality dramatically.

What was the previous count?

My guess is that even in those numbers there's a pile of dead wood ...

Almost every test of connectivity shows there is plenty of dead wood, depending on the net or region being tested...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred,

What was the previous count?

I have no idea, it was posted "somewhere" ...

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12MAY19 05JUL22 12AUG22 29SEP22
Z1 302 298 307 304
Z2 571 528 509 493
Z3 24 19 21 20
Z4 18 23 21 21

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12MAY19 05JUL22 12AUG22 29SEP22 12NOV22
Z1 302 298 307 304 304
Z2 571 528 509 493 490
Z3 24 19 21 20 22
Z4 18 23 21 21 21

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Hi, Ward!

13 ¡«∩ 22 02:13, Ward Dossche -> All:

12MAY19 05JUL22 12AUG22 29SEP22 12NOV22
Z1 302 298 307 304 304
Z2 571 528 509 493 490
Z3 24 19 21 20 22
Z4 18 23 21 21 21

Nodelist: for Friday, November 11, 2022 -- Day number 315
total sysops: 944
total hold 35
total down 37

Zone 1 has 346 sysops.
Hold 6
Down 25
Zone 2 has 554 sysops.
Hold 28
Down 12
Zone 3 has 22 sysops.
Hold 0
Down 0
Zone 4 has 22 sysops.
Hold 1
Down 0

Sysops with more than two nodes:

New_Fido_SysOp 20
Terry_Barlow 15
Jon_Justvig 13
Andrew_Leary 10
Harald_Kamm 8
Manuel_Adorni 8
Stephan_Heitbrink 8
Tj_Barlow 8
Paul_Hayton 7
Ulrich_Schroeter 7
Alex_Barinov 6
Alexey_Korotkov 6
Kurt_Weiske 6
Lukasz_Jachowicz 6
Marc_Lewis 6
Torsten_Bamberg 6
Viktor_Cizek 6
Angel_Ripoll 5
Bill_Burton 5
Christian_von_Busse 5
Flavio_Bessa 5
Helmut_Renner 5
John_Dovey 5
Michael_Luko 5
Nicholas_Boel 5
Vince_Coen 5
Ward_Dossche 5
mark_lewis 5
Bjorn_Felten 4
Dale_Barnes 4
Dmitriy_Smirnov 4
Fabio_Bizzi 4
Frank_Reid 4
Mark_Hofmann 4
Mike_Powell 4
New_SysOp 4
Rick_Smith 4
Robert_Wolfe 4
Tommi_Koivula 4
Alexey_Antonyuk 3
Alisha_Stutz 3
Andrei_Dzedolik 3
Andrew_Miller 3
Andrey_Kharchenko 3
Armin_Kleinmann 3
Avshalom_Donskoi 3
Bernhard_Thoben 3
C.G._Learn 3
Carol_Shenkenberger 3
Chad_Adams 3
Christoph_Lowagie 3
Denis_Lyzhenko 3
Eric_Renfro 3
Eugene_Glotov 3
Eugene_Subbotin 3
Gregory_Deyss 3
Jay_Harris 3
Juergen_Peters 3
Kees_van_Eeten 3
Kim_Heino 3
Konstantin_Kuzov 3
Kostie_Muirhead 3
Leslie_Given 3
Matthias_Hertzog 3
Max_Vasilyev 3
Nick_Andre 3
Nobody 3
Oleg_Blashuck 3
Ozz_Nixon 3
Patricio_Rodriguez 3
Pavel_Gulchouck 3
Peter_Khanin 3
Petros_Argyrakis 3
Ray_Quinn 3
Robin_Karel_Popper 3
Ruben_Figueroa 3
Ruslan_Suleimanov 3
Scott_Little 3
Sergey_V._Efimoff 3
Stas_Mishchenkov 3
Stephen_Hurd 3
Stephen_Walsh 3
Tobias_Burchhardt 3
Victor_Sudakov 3
Vladimir_Zykov 3
Vyacheslav_Vovk 3
Yury_Roschupkin 3
new_sysop 3


Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi Stas,

Running a script gives false information ... An example ...

Zone 1 has 346 sysops.
Hold 6
Down 25

Hold and Down are thrown out ... that reduces the number already to 315.

Then we have doubles such as

Terry_Barlow 15
Tj_Barlow 8

Same person

New_SysOp 4
Nobody 3
new_sysop 3
New_Fido_SysOp 20

There's a Geoff and Geoffrey or Jeff somewhere.

Plus I'm aware of identical people running several entries with different names and getting away with it. That goes for Z2 as well.

The fact is that my counting is very conservative because there are many non-node entries in the nodelist ... and dead wood. The reality is a lot worse.

Plus the nodelist is full of nonsense ... check the latest Z2DAILY and you will find 300 new entries with "New_Sysop" in a particular net.

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Stas Mishchenkov -> Ward Dossche skrev 2022-11-13 09:40:

Bjorn_Felten 4

Actually I have five:

2:2/2 Fidonews Editor (for obvious reasons)
2:20/0 RC20 (for FTN reasons -- actually rather useless...)
2:203/0 NC203 (the central hub for all mail in R20)
2:203/2 My BBS #1 (this one)
2:203/208 My BBS #2 (oldest BBS in the world, still operational)


The last entry doesn't show up, because one of the letters in my name is replaced somewhere on the line ('allow8bit 0' in MAKENL.CTL).


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The last entry doesn't show up, because one of the letters in my name
is replaced somewhere on the line ('allow8bit 0' in MAKENL.CTL).

You were only counted as one sysop in Z2. The odd-one was manually ommited from the count ...

\%/@rd

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Hi, Ward!

13 ¡«∩ 22 12:17, Ward Dossche -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Running a script gives false information ... An example ...

This script was written on the fly. I can bring it to the state of a completely usable program.

Zone 1 has 346 sysops.
Hold 6
Down 25

Hold and Down are thrown out ... that reduces the number already to 315.

It is not difficult to skip them automatically.

Then we have doubles such as

Terry_Barlow 15
Tj_Barlow 8

Same person

Stas_Mishchenkov & Brother_Rabbit ;)

New_SysOp 4
Nobody 3
new_sysop 3
New_Fido_SysOp 20

Are such entries in the nodelist really necessary?

There's a Geoff and Geoffrey or Jeff somewhere.

How can I know for sure that they are not different people?

Plus I'm aware of identical people running several entries with
different names and getting away with it. That goes for Z2 as well.

Unfortunately, we cannot verify this.

The fact is that my counting is very conservative because there are
many non-node entries in the nodelist ... and dead wood. The reality
is a lot worse.

Of course, in such a situation, automatic calculation will be even more optimistic. It seems to me that the main question is how important the actual nodelist is for us.

Plus the nodelist is full of nonsense ... check the latest Z2DAILY and
you will find 300 new entries with "New_Sysop" in a particular net.

What is the purpose of such lines in the nodelist?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Ward!

13 ¡«∩ 22 18:49, Ward Dossche -> Björn Felten:

The last entry doesn't show up, because one of the letters in my name
is replaced somewhere on the line ('allow8bit 0' in MAKENL.CTL).

You were only counted as one sysop in Z2. The odd-one was manually ommited from the count ...

For such cases, you can create a matching list.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Ward!

13 ¡«∩ 22 12:17, Ward Dossche -> Stas Mishchenkov:

Nobody 3

Starting #037/09 one word sysop names are no longer permitted except the keyword 'UUCP', isn't it?

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Stas Mishchenkov wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

Plus the nodelist is full of nonsense ... check the latest Z2DAILY and
you will find 300 new entries with "New_Sysop" in a particular net.

What is the purpose of such lines in the nodelist?

According to P4, in order to join Fidonet, you're supposed to set your
mailer to use a /9999 address in your region and send a netmail application
to the RC - it's a way of proving that you're capable of running a mailer.

I've had some of the new nodes in my region send netmail, the others came through an email sent by a web page application. I'd say 25% of the
web/email applicants never poll for their first packet.




... Do the words need changing?
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Hi, Kurt!

14 ¡«∩ 22 07:02, Kurt Weiske -> Stas Mishchenkov:

you will find 300 new entries with "New_Sysop" in a particular net.

What is the purpose of such lines in the nodelist?

According to P4, in order to join Fidonet, you're supposed to set your mailer to use a /9999 address in your region and send a netmail application to the RC - it's a way of proving that you're capable of running a mailer.

May be you mean network and NC? I am also familiar with this procedure. ;) The question was: What is the purpose of such lines in the _NODELIST_?

I've had some of the new nodes in my region send netmail, the others
came through an email sent by a web page application. I'd say 25% of
the web/email applicants never poll for their first packet.

I usually don't take requests like this. I always answer by e-mail, but until I am contacted via netmail, I do not make any changes to the nodelist.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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On 15 Nov 22 12:43:00, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Stas Mishchenkov:

The question was: What is the purpose of such lines in the *NODELIST*?

Good question. The simple answer is: *absolutely* *none*. In fact it's counter productive, and can cause all sorts of problems.

Complain to IC all you want...

The only problems caused are the endless whining from the "nodelist police" and other passive-aggressive unnecessary digs at zone 1 going on for quite
some time. Not to mention your rhetoric which we're supposed to press the
Next key but that which becomes offensive to you when dished out in return.

When all of that stops and/or you and some others make your grand-departures, maybe the entries will be removed.

Nick

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Hey Nick,

When all of that stops and/or you and some others make your grand-departures, maybe the entries will be removed.

You are aware there are such "new sysop" nodes as well in Z2 and Z4?

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On 15 Nov 22 16:01:06, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

When all of that stops and/or you and some others make your grand-departures, maybe the entries will be removed.

You are aware there are such "new sysop" nodes as well in Z2 and Z4?

Yessir... which I never see the "nodelist police" ever complain about. Just those entries in this zone.

It began long ago with nonstop comments about RC15, then screaming murder about a duplicate net, and really just a tone of voice and little remarks I
did not appreciate. After careful thought, it was decided that the most appropriate response was to put on a big smile and wave the middle-finger.

Net 229 may or may not clean itself up if and when the effeminate whining stops. And not by idle threats by Bjerk or increased whining from the self-appointed nodelist police.

Be lucky that Mark Lewis hasn't chimed in... yet.

Nick

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Hi, Björn!

15 ¡«∩ 22 12:43, Björn Felten -> Stas Mishchenkov:

The question was: What is the purpose of such lines in the
*NODELIST*?

Good question. The simple answer is: *absolutely* *none*. In fact it's counter productive, and can cause all sorts of problems.

At least they are useless. And, you're right, they can be harmful.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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Hi, Michiel!

15 ¡«∩ 22 12:58, Michiel van der Vlist -> Björn Felten:

The question was: What is the purpose of such lines in the
*NODELIST*?

Good question. The simple answer is: *absolutely* *none*. In fact
it's counter productive, and can cause all sorts of problems.

MvdV> I wholeheartedly second that!

Can anyone disagree with this? I would like to hear for what purpose such lines were placed in the nodelist.

Have nice nights.
Stas Mishchenkov.

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On 16 Nov 22 09:41:58, Stas Mishchenkov said the following to Michiel Van Der V

Can anyone disagree with this? I would like to hear for what purpose such lines were placed in the nodelist.

Because I can.

Nick

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Nick Andre -> Stas Mishchenkov skrev 2022-11-16 06:38:

Can anyone disagree with this? I would like to hear for what purpose
such lines were placed in the nodelist.

Because I can.

WOW! Famous words of <insert dictator name>.

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On 16 Nov 22 13:39:04, Bj*Rn Felten said the following to Nick Andre:

Because I can.

WOW! Famous words of <insert dictator name>.

I've posted at least twice in simple English what the solution is to have the "offensive" listings removed. Go back and do some reading.

EOT...

Nick

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