• Synchronet vs. Mystic

    From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to All on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 10:32:19
    As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based at the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

    My Questions: For an old SysOp from the 1980s looking to experiment with setting up a BBS today, mostly for fun and hobbying --

    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    2. What are some of the unique differences that you like about the two systems? 3. Can the two systems coexist and run in parallel with the same userbase (as showcased by at least a couple of active BBS'es)?

    Definitely looking for opinions, chatter, and educational perspectives from those of us who are active on the BBS community today. Thanks!

    _____
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  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 16:41:20
    As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based at
    the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

    Just wanted to clear up confusion: Mystic is not Agency BBS, Paul is a Mystic SysOp who made some instruction videos but he does not develop Mystic BBS.

    ... A social life? Where can I download that!?

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    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 16:09:59
    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    Renegade, because I'm bias ...

    http://www.rgbbs.info

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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to James Coyle on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 14:38:53
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: James Coyle to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 04:41 pm

    Just wanted to clear up confusion: Mystic is not Agency BBS, Paul is a Mystic SysOp who made some instruction videos but he does not develop Mystic BBS.

    Thanks for clarifying that; that was my confusion, I'm sorry about that. Still getting up to speed on who's who in the scene!

    So, so that I am clear, Avon is not the Mystic BBS developer/author?
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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 14:41:35
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 04:09 pm

    Renegade, because I'm bias ...

    http://www.rgbbs.info

    Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they share anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to see how they stack up today. Do you have any recommendations of systems I should visit?
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 14:57:34
    So, so that I am clear, Avon is not the Mystic BBS developer/author?

    Right. James Coyle (g00r00) is the author of Mystic BBS. Avon is a supporter and user of Mystic. A strong supporter.

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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 15:14:13
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Alan Ianson to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 02:57 pm

    Right. James Coyle (g00r00) is the author of Mystic BBS. Avon is a supporter and user of Mystic. A strong supporter.

    Got it. Definitely a strong supporter; I love his YouTube videos, and definitely makes Mystic BBS seem very accessible, customizable, and a great destination for creative types and tinkerers.

    I also really appreciate Synchronet BBS, for its standardized approach to BBS'ing and high degree of technical innovation. Digital Man has tremendous generosity and patience as he welcomes people into the community.
    _____
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  • From Dallas Vinson@1:123/256 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 17:19:40
    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    I would say Mystic. I've run both and found Mystic to be easier to run on the back-end.

    2. What are some of the unique differences that you like about the two systems?

    The biggest thing for me is that mystic is all inclusive in a single config menu, whereas Syncro has sepperate config programs for setting up the networks and the echoes.

    3. Can the two systems coexist and run in parallel with the
    same userbase (as showcased by at least a couple of active BBS'es)?

    Don't think they can share databases. But you can run more than one at a time, just have to have them on different port numbers.
    ---

    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322

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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to Dallas Vinson on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 16:28:50
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Dallas Vinson to Juan Gonzalez on Tue May 03 2022 05:19 pm

    I would say Mystic. I've run both and found Mystic to be easier to run on the back-end.

    The biggest thing for me is that mystic is all inclusive in a single config menu, whereas Syncro has sepperate config programs for setting up the networks and the echoes.

    Thanks so much for this. This is very helpful.
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 19:37:07
    Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they share

    I'd say a reaction. I was given the Renegade code in 2003 and decided to keep it DOS only. There was no point going any further than DOS with it.

    Mystic was written starting somewhere around 1997, but James can correct me on that.

    I should be putting out another release of Renegade sometime this month, so be on the look out if you want to give old school a try. It's all good to go out of the box. Long as you are running on a 32bit ver of Windows 10 or under.

    anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to s

    Nope. Maybe a look and feel, but other than that, two different birds.

    how they stack up today. Do you have any recommendations of systems I sho

    You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.


    darkrealms.ca

    Is the address if you wanna give it a call. He also has dialup still, not sure of the number, but he located in Canada, so if you're in the USA, it may be a LD call if you wanna relive the glory days of dialup. :)

    ... Ancient Chinese curse:"May you live in interesting times"

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 19:45:57
    Hello T,

    03 May 22 16:09, you wrote to Juan Gonzalez:

    Renegade, because I'm bias ...

    You? Biased? Nahhhh...

    -- Sean

    ... Some rise by sin and some by virtue fall.
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    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 20:17:51
    Just wanted to clear up confusion: Mystic is not Agency BBS, Paul is a Mystic SysOp who made some instruction videos but he does not develop M BBS.

    Thanks for clarifying that; that was my confusion, I'm sorry about that. Still getting up to speed on who's who in the scene!

    He made some tutorials, helps edit the Wiki and he also provides a good bit of support to those through his network as well so its an easy mistake to me!

    ... Nine times out of ten the statisticians are wrong

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 20:18:42
    Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they
    share anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to see how they stack up today. Do you have any recommendations
    of systems I should visit?

    They don't share anything in common in terms of code, but Mystic BBS was intended to be a successor to RG/TG which were not in development at the time.

    http://www.mysticbbs.com/about.html

    ... You can learn many things from children... like how much patience you have

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 20:19:25
    Got it. Definitely a strong supporter; I love his YouTube videos, and definitely makes Mystic BBS seem very accessible, customizable, and a great destination for creative types and tinkerers.

    Just another note the echomail tutorials are quite a bit outdated and have a lot of unneeded steps, but they will still work for you!

    ... I don't have the time for a hobby. I have a computer.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Juan Gonzalez on Tuesday, May 03, 2022 20:04:00
    Juan Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

    As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems
    to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS
    packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic
    BBS (home-based at the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar,
    but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

    My Questions: For an old SysOp from the 1980s looking to
    experiment with setting up a BBS today, mostly for fun and
    hobbying --

    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    I have not run Mystic other than to "take a look" a couple of times. I
    prefer Synchronet because it has more features and is kind of a "kitchen
    sink" that includes everything. Also a big thing for me is that as a Linux-only user, SBBS is open source and can be tinkered with at the
    source code level for ultra-fine customization. You don't need to
    be a professional developer to do that, either. Also the author is VERY accessible (in IRC especially) and OFTEN provides literally INSTANT
    fixes and feature additions.

    2. What are some of the unique differences that you like about
    the two systems?

    Mystic seems to be more preferred by the "scene" folks, for reasons that escape me. I think SBBS appeals more to the "tinkerer" types. Also as mentioned above, SBBS is open-source and Mystic is not. They both do
    what they do very well, and either is a great choice.

    3. Can the two systems coexist and run in parallel with the same
    userbase (as showcased by at least a couple of active BBS'es)?

    You can certainly run both on the same computer at once, using different ports, of course. The actual userbase files would not be interchangeable/shareable.

    Definitely looking for opinions, chatter, and educational
    perspectives from those of us who are active on the BBS community
    today. Thanks!

    Hope this helps, and good luck with whatever you decide!


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  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 10:28:14
    Mystic seems to be more preferred by the "scene" folks, for reasons that escape me. I think SBBS appeals more to the "tinkerer" types. Also as

    Mystic has been historically quite a bit more advanced in the way it handled ANSI and its user interface. While Synchronet has added these things in recent day/years, these features were often found in Mystic for decades before (which is enough time to build a following).

    These types of features were imperative to modders and its likely you just didn't have much of a grasp on what Mystic does or modding based on your own admission of not using it.

    The author was also was a part of that scene, releasing with long term groups like demonic and ACiD.

    The features each have depend on what features matter to the person who uses the software. What has more features changes based on who is using the software.

    And of course there is just preference. Some people prefer Pascal and Python over JavaScript and C++. Some people grew up using Renegade/Telegard and like Mystic for its similarities. Some people like Mystic's security. Some people may choose Sychronet for all of those opposite reasons (they used Synchronet in the 1990s, they want to write JavaScript, etc).

    Lots of reasons why someone may prefer one over another.

    ... DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something...

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JUAN GONZALEZ on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 15:47:00
    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to change parts of it (I figured out how to customize some of the javascript bits),
    and the author is responsive and accessible. It does have more of a
    learning curve. I came from DOS BBSing where I had to know how to edit configuration files (plural) so Synchronet was not that much different in
    that regard. There are utilities that handle most of those config files if
    you prefer not to edit them yourself.

    It also has a web board built in. It is actually a web server so you can
    host other pages on it also, i.e. otherpage.yourbbsdomain.net.


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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 06:01:58
    03 May 22 16:09, you wrote to Juan Gonzalez:

    Renegade, because I'm bias ...

    You? Biased? Nahhhh...

    haha

    ... There is no substitute for a genuine lack of preparation.

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    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 16:47:16
    Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to chang
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistles to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

    ... Press any key to continue or any other key to quit

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 17:57:44
    On 04 May 22 16:47:16, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Dumas Walker:

    to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 17:59:17
    On 03 May 22 19:37:07, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Juan Gonzalez:

    You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.

    You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undeliverable and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal with.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 18:37:09
    You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.

    You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

    I perfer to call you a museum. :)

    ... Hi, I'm from the government. I'm here to help you.

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    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 19:42:42
    On 04 May 22 18:37:09, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

    You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

    I perfer to call you a museum. :)

    Lol. A living museum...

    Nick

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    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Dallas Vinson@1:123/256 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 20:59:44
    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

    That's not a programmers, it's a mathematician. :)
    ---

    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/09/29 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (1:123/256)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:32:37
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Dumas Walker
    |03on |114 May 22 16:47|03.

    Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to chang
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whist to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.



    synchronet doesn't have a menu editor because it's not kids stuff like renegade.

    you can do anything you want with it.

    all you need is a text editor.

    you do

    cmdkey x
    [command]
    end_cmd

    any moron can do that. once you're ready you can take it further and it's pretty easy. i'm not a fan of the javascript because i got involved with it when it first came out and it was very confusing because there wasn't much to learn from.

    i've been able to do simple things with .js, though. like prune users after a certain date and modify scripts to do what i want them to do.

    synchronet is a powerful bbs software that a novice or an expert can use.

    bbs software like renegade is what people start out with and get their feet wet. it's good but then you usually want more.

    i went from rg to iniquity to tg to synchronet. it was a hard learning curve but synchronet was fast and it was stable. that's when we had netmodem and it totally sucked.

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to James Coyle on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:35:53
    |03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Dan Clough
    |03on |1104 May 22 10:28:14|03.

    Mystic seems to be more preferred by the "scene" folks, for reasons t escape me. I think SBBS appeals more to the "tinkerer" types. Also

    Mystic has been historically quite a bit more advanced in the way it handl ANSI and its user interface. While Synchronet has added these things in recent day/years, these features were often found in Mystic for decades be (which is enough time to build a following).


    you arent trying to say mystic is better and more advanced than synchronet, are you? because you might be retarded if you think that.

    mystic is just a renegade knock off because the guys that took over from cott lang told you to fuck off.

    And of course there is just preference. Some people prefer Pascal and Pyth over JavaScript and C++. Some people grew up using Renegade/Telegard and l Mystic for its similarities. Some people like Mystic's security. Some pe may choose Sychronet for all of those opposite reasons (they used Synchron in the 1990s, they want to write JavaScript, etc).


    i'm a renegade and telegard guy and i cant stand mystic.
    i'd rather run elebbs or anything else.

    and i dont know of any current bbses users who ran synchronet in the 90s.
    your examples are very poor.

    ... If you were an Armadillo, you'd worship trees, too!

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:37:05
    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whist to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.


    by the way... i made a menu editor for synchronet. you can have it if you want.

    you tell it what commands you want and you pick them and the command key.
    it then shits out a default menu.

    there's also a javascript one someone made but i don't think it's done.
    but the thing is, having a menu editor is very limiting. look at the baja source of the command shells and see what i mean.

    ... I would say more,but I'mπlimited to only 57 characters here.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:37:23
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
    |03on |1104 May 22 17:57:44|03.

    On 04 May 22 16:47:16, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Dumas Walker:

    to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.



    i know chmod. upload download ftp.

    ... Longer life through superior firepower.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:37:55
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
    |03on |1104 May 22 17:59:17|03.

    On 03 May 22 19:37:07, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Juan Gonzalez:

    You already called mine here, but Dark Realms is another. He is also the FidoNet backbone for Zone 1 in North America.

    You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

    Nick


    thank you for your service.

    ... Once again, truth and American technology defeat Bill.

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 22:59:24
    by the way... i made a menu editor for synchronet. you can have it if you want.

    You are welcome to upload it here if you want, but I doubt I'd ever use the software.

    ... I said Vulcan MIND meld, not MIME meld. Sorry, Marcel....

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Juan Gonzalez on Wednesday, May 04, 2022 09:32:27
    Juan Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    Another choice is Talisman BBS. www.talismanbbs.com
    It's open source, and has some unique features like native tossing
    for wwivnet, qwk, ftn. Uses TOML to configure and lua scripting.
    Bluewave and QWK offline mail, super easy to configure and runs
    on both Windows and Linux (like the big two you asked about).

    My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

    Shawn

    ... Don't drink and park; accidents cause people.

    --- Talisman v0.36-dev (Windows/x86)
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS II - tinysbbs.com:4323/ssh:4322 (1:229/452)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Thursday, May 05, 2022 10:19:18
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |114 May 22 22:59|03.

    by the way... i made a menu editor for synchronet. you can have it if you want.

    You are welcome to upload it here if you want, but I doubt I'd ever use th software.


    no i'm not going to distribute it.

    you should consider running synchronet. it's a very powerful software that allows you to do a lot of things.

    ... I passed my ethics course. I cheated, of course...

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Shawn Highfield on Thursday, May 05, 2022 10:19:57
    |03Quoting message from |11Shawn Highfield |03to |11Juan Gonzalez
    |03on |1104 May 22 09:32:27|03.

    Juan Gonzalez wrote to All <=-

    1. Which of the two systems would you recommend, and why?

    Another choice is Talisman BBS. www.talismanbbs.com
    It's open source, and has some unique features like native tossing
    for wwivnet, qwk, ftn. Uses TOML to configure and lua scripting.
    Bluewave and QWK offline mail, super easy to configure and runs
    on both Windows and Linux (like the big two you asked about).

    My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

    Shawn

    that sounds like a good alternative.
    how easy is it to setup doorgames?

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to All on Thursday, May 05, 2022 10:27:39
    on both Windows and Linux (like the big two you asked about).

    My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

    Shawn

    that sounds like a good alternative.
    how easy is it to setup doorgames?



    one thing i dont like is it didn't ask me where to install it.
    this might be because i tried it out previously.

    also i'm not seeing any local documentation, only the web one.

    it would be nice if they setup a few sample doorgames.
    i see the instructions in the menu commands.
    i'm not sure how to use netfoss with it to run doorgames. i'm assuming that's what it needs.

    also there's no way to search in the docs.
    it's not something i can recommend to a new sysop

    ... One thing about pain: it proves you're alive.

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to James Coyle on Thursday, May 05, 2022 07:42:00
    James Coyle wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Python over JavaScript and C++. Some people grew up using Renegade/Telegard and like Mystic for its similarities.

    Synchronet has a bunch of third-party menus you can use, too - I used
    a Renegade menu system as a basis for my default setup on Synchronet.

    As a Synchronet sysop from the early 2000s (but not a legacy, dial-up
    sysop) I liked that I could run a BBS, a web server, NNTP server,
    IMAP/POP/SMTP server and IRC on a low-end windows box.

    It feels like they both have feature parity now; I've dabbled with
    Mystic, the attraction for me is wanting to get closer to Python.



    ... Consider different fading systems
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Thursday, May 05, 2022 07:44:00
    Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they
    can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

    I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about
    "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
    the background noise.



    ... Consider different fading systems
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Thursday, May 05, 2022 07:45:00
    Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

    You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undeliverable and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal with.

    Sounds like we need to have a "Nick is Pretty" day to bolster your
    spirits!




    ... Consider different fading systems
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 05, 2022 11:36:38
    you arent trying to say mystic is better and more advanced than synchronet, are you? because you might be retarded if you think that.

    I never said any of those things. But keep embarassing yourself as you always do with your delusional nonsense.

    i'm a renegade and telegard guy and i cant stand mystic.
    i'd rather run elebbs or anything else.

    You can't stand Mystic because you were laughed out of the scene for being a terrible person when you tried to use it. You've been on this childish crusade since then.

    You were the butt of everyone's jokes and no one liked you, and from what I can tell its not much different in the Synchronet community.

    ... There is an exception to every rule, except this one.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, May 05, 2022 13:09:43
    It feels like they both have feature parity now; I've dabbled with
    Mystic, the attraction for me is wanting to get closer to Python.

    yeah but you could use python or perl with synchronet too.

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, May 05, 2022 13:10:25
    |03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1105 May 22 07:44:00|03.

    Nick Andre wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

    I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
    the background noise.


    you might have some ADHD

    ... Dawn: The time when people of reason go to bed.

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to James Coyle on Thursday, May 05, 2022 13:14:28
    i'm a renegade and telegard guy and i cant stand mystic.
    i'd rather run elebbs or anything else.

    You can't stand Mystic because you were laughed out of the scene for being terrible person when you tried to use it. You've been on this childish crusade since then.


    i think you have me confused with someone else.
    whats the scene? we actually have a scene here?

    do you mean that handful of people you buddy around with who have
    15 1000 line ansi scrollers in their bbs logins?

    You were the butt of everyone's jokes and no one liked you, and from what can tell its not much different in the Synchronet community.

    this is news to me.
    what i remember about you is disappearing and forgetting to renew your domains.

    i'm the guy that got your mystic domain for you btw. you're welcome.

    hey, when are you going to go open source? still scared? :D

    mystic sucks, no reason to run it. people are better off running renegade.
    or telegard! https://telegard.net

    --- Renegade v1.30r3/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 05, 2022 14:10:30
    do you mean that handful of people you buddy around with who have
    15 1000 line ansi scrollers in their bbs logins?

    Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messages in SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warning others about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislikes.

    what i remember about you is disappearing and forgetting to renew your domains.

    I didn't originally register mysticbbs.com nor do I own it now. But you know that and choose to ignore it so you can make up some cindarella story to make yourself feel relevant in a community where you are not.

    hey, when are you going to go open source? still scared? :D

    It was open sourced in 2011.

    ... There are two types of people; those who finish what they start and

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, May 05, 2022 15:17:05
    On 05 May 22 07:44:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

    I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
    the background noise.

    Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:40:00
    Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to chang
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistles to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

    It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * "High as a kite, everybody! Goofballs!!"-Chief Wiggum
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Thursday, May 05, 2022 16:51:00
    You mean I'm the mass-dumping-ground for everything unroutable, undelivera
    and the weird bizarre files that end up here which I'm supposed to deal wi

    thank you for your service.

    + 1

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * "I didn't know chicks in videos wore underpants!"- Beavis
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAMES COYLE on Thursday, May 05, 2022 17:03:00
    You were the butt of everyone's jokes and no one liked you, and from what I ca
    tell its not much different in the Synchronet community.

    -1. I don't dislike him.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * "Kills millions of germs on contract"
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 05, 2022 17:14:50
    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whi to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

    It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

    You can change everything Mystic displays easily within the editors without any programming.

    No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reasons - because like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended through configuration and scripting.

    The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a left over concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

    ... Kids: They're not sleeping, they're recharging!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to James Coyle on Thursday, May 05, 2022 17:29:49
    On 05 May 22 17:14:50, James Coyle said the following to Dumas Walker:

    The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a lef over concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

    It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

    I get asked about making D'Bridge open-source. That code is maybe useful only to someone who *really* knows about mailers. Otherwise its just a trophy or something for them to recompile with their name plastered all over it.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Friday, May 06, 2022 07:41:43
    Nick Andre wrote to James Coyle <=-

    Otherwise its just a trophy or something for them to recompile
    with their name plastered all over it.

    Oh, like FMail?

    -- Sean

    ... "The way to Hell is plastered with good resolutions." - German proverb
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Friday, May 06, 2022 08:20:44
    On 06 May 22 07:41:43, Sean Dennis said the following to Nick Andre:

    Otherwise its just a trophy or something for them to recompile
    with their name plastered all over it.

    Oh, like FMail?

    Yes, and Allfix.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to James Coyle on Friday, May 06, 2022 09:13:56
    Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messages in SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warning others about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislikes.

    I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univerally disliked.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (1:154/70)
  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Nick Andre on Friday, May 06, 2022 09:17:17
    It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

    That's kind of a strawman too. Improving things by them being open source doesn't have to mean auditing every line of code.

    I've personally submitted a few Synchronet issues because of oddities in the code that were then patched.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (1:154/70)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAMES COYLE on Friday, May 06, 2022 12:58:00
    No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reasons - cause like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended through con
    guration and scripting.

    The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a left o
    r concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

    It sounds like you have at least two Synchronet sysops here who have indeed made code changes. In my case, not because I needed to but because I
    wanted to.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * All Aboard!!!
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Friday, May 06, 2022 13:14:00
    It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

    In my case, it is because in the 1980's/90's I had a package I really
    liked... enough to pay for it. When the author abandoned the software, it would have been nice to be able to make updates to it to keep it going.
    Someone did manage to hex edit it and at least make it mostly Y2K
    compliant, but it makes me leary to invest a lot of time and energy in
    setting something up that someone else could walk off and leave.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * L&N -- The Old Reliable
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 06, 2022 13:32:34
    On 06 May 22 13:14:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    In my case, it is because in the 1980's/90's I had a package I really liked... enough to pay for it. When the author abandoned the software, it would have been nice to be able to make updates to it to keep it going. Someone did manage to hex edit it and at least make it mostly Y2K compliant, but it makes me leary to invest a lot of time and energy in setting something up that someone else could walk off and leave.

    I felt kinda-the-same way about Renegade. When the Y2kA2 source was made available I scooped it up and was content to make any fixes or improvements for my own enjoyment onward. I was not happy with the post-Y2k releases.

    Atreyu

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Juan Gonzalez on Friday, May 06, 2022 20:16:46
    Hello Juan,

    03 May 22 14:41, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

    Renegade, because I'm bias ...

    http://www.rgbbs.info

    Is Mystic BBS a reaction to, or evolution of, Renegade BBS? Do they
    share anything in common? I will definitely check out more Renegade BBS'es to see how they stack up today. Do you have any
    recommendations of systems I should visit?

    check out 2o fOr beeRS @ 20forbeers.com:1337
    it's a Mystic board.

    also there is talisman which a brand new bbs and is actively developed by apam: https://talismanbbs.com/about/

    Regards,
    --
    dp

    telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <

    ... 10:13pm up 32 days, 10:20:47, load: 80 processes, 287 threads.
    --- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
    * Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY +36-1-4454412 (2:371/52)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Friday, May 06, 2022 16:19:42
    Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Yes, and Allfix.

    If I'm recompiling someone else's code, like I did with my UUencode/UUdecode utilities from SWAG, I note that in the docs and provide the code I
    compiled. If you read my Cheepware door documentation, I give credit there also because several people have been kind enough to give me code they wrote
    to learn from. In some cases, I use it "as-is".

    I like to give credit where credit is due.

    -- Sean

    ... WinErr 010: Reserved for future mistakes by our developers.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Andre Robitaille on Friday, May 06, 2022 16:25:07
    Andre Robitaille wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    That's kind of a strawman too. Improving things by them being open
    source doesn't have to mean auditing every line of code.

    While I agree with you, Nick does have a point as this type of behavior is a problem in the BBS world. Actually contributing and making software better
    is good. Putting your name in the "About" screen of a software package, compiling it, and claiming you are now the developer of a moribund/dead
    piece of software is what Nick was aiming at. Actually contributing
    something worthwhile to an actively developed software package is much different.

    -- Sean

    ... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dumas Walker on Friday, May 06, 2022 16:31:03
    Dumas Walker wrote to JAMES COYLE <=-

    It sounds like you have at least two Synchronet sysops here who have indeed made code changes. In my case, not because I needed to but
    because I wanted to.

    Like I said to Andre, that is a lot different than taking over a dead
    project, putting your name on it, compiling it, and claiming you're its developer is a lot different than actually making a contribution to a
    project.

    For example, I have compiled the ProBoard source code. Does that make me
    its developer? No. Now if I went in there, fixed bugs, added features, and made improvements in general, and released the compiled program, I'd still
    not call myself a developer. Just improved it.

    With MBSE, I've contributed code, worked on the docs, and have done several things yet I don't consider myself a developer; just a member of the development team.

    -- Sean

    ... My hard disk is full! Maybe I'll try this message section thing.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Friday, May 06, 2022 19:24:57
    Oh, like FMail?

    Hey, FMAIL is better than NOMAIL. :) hahahha

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to T.J. Mcmillen on Friday, May 06, 2022 22:12:31
    Hello T,

    06 May 22 19:24, you wrote to me:

    Hey, FMAIL is better than NOMAIL. :) hahahha

    According to FMail's "developer's" hatred for me, it'd be FUMail.

    -- Sean

    ... Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Friday, May 06, 2022 07:02:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

    It's an eye-opener, seeing things from the other side of the table. I
    feel like I'm a much better interviewer and interviewee after seeing
    both sides.

    I was involved in group interviews at my last job, and was amazed at
    the lack of empathy I saw on my side of the table. I was looking for
    the person, they were looking at the accomplishments and how well they
    answered the questions.

    When I interview again, I'll keep that in mind. I'm an upfront person,
    and will let you know when I don't know an answer. It's almost better
    with an audience like that to answer to deflect to something you do
    know. :)

    Then again, these were those weird canned questions where we weren't
    supposed to deviate, and couldn't clarify the questions effectively.
    It doesn't give you a chance to learn about the candidate in depth.





    ... This will go on your PERMANENT RECORD!
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/17 to Juan Gonzalez on Sunday, May 08, 2022 07:02:26
    On 03 May 2022, Juan Gonzalez said the following...

    As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to me that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based at
    the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

    Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

    ... Kids: They're not sleeping, they're recharging!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/12/25 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Powered By Windows Server 2022 (1:116/17)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to James Coyle on Monday, May 09, 2022 06:51:53
    |03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1105 May 22 14:10:30|03.

    do you mean that handful of people you buddy around with who have
    15 1000 line ansi scrollers in their bbs logins?

    Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messages in SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warning ot about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislikes.


    give the names of those people and i'll tell you how i stayed late up to 3am in the morning helping them setup something when i had to go to work at 5am.

    you know nothing. most of the people you hang with i helped them in various ways asking nothing in return. same goes with the msg networks you frequent.

    if someone doesn't like me they are probably just jealous.

    i can be an asshole sometimes, but i'm always right. just like i'm right about you.

    I didn't originally register mysticbbs.com nor do I own it now. But you k that and choose to ignore it so you can make up some cindarella story to m yourself feel relevant in a community where you are not.


    that just shows how pathetic you are. i was told you forgot to renew it.
    you dont even register or OWN the domain your own software is on?
    how patheitc is that.
    you can't pay 10 bucks?

    that just shows how backwards you are.

    hey, when are you going to go open source? still scared? :D

    It was open sourced in 2011.


    where is the source? i dont mean your old stuff. where is your source?

    mystic could benefit greatly like other softwares have by collaboration. it's not just synchronet that has benefitted from a community of developers.

    anyways, mystic is a joke and i don't know why people run it. they have a right to run what they want though and i support diversity. and it's not like it matters anymore because bbsing has NEVER been this dead ever.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 06:54:59
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Kurt Weiske
    |03on |1105 May 22 15:17:05|03.

    On 05 May 22 07:44:00, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    I've worked with people who call themselves programmers because they can crunch a few numbers in Excel.

    I've sat across the table in interviews with people that talked about "coding in HTML". Anything they said after that sort of blended into
    the background noise.

    Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

    Nick


    I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need to
    look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

    there's also this ACT test they have called workkeys that really gauges how employable a person is.

    i took it years ago and i'm employable in about 90%
    of the workforce. this test really tests a person's ability to reason and look for information. there's also a math test. all of this is timed and it gets progressivly harder. there's no way to cheat on it too.
    it's the only test i have taken that i can say really does a good job gauging someones abilities.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 06:56:04
    |03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
    |03on |1105 May 22 16:40:00|03.

    Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to
    chang
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistle to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.

    It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

    Mike

    what do you mean there?

    ... The Results of your IQ test came back. They're negative.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to James Coyle on Monday, May 09, 2022 06:58:27
    |03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Dumas Walker
    |03on |1105 May 22 17:14:50|03.

    Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells an to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselv programmer to use Mystic.

    It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source

    You can change everything Mystic displays easily within the editors withou any programming.


    that's nothing special. everyone has that.

    No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reason because like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended throu configuration and scripting.



    that is incorrect. their are people that run their own versions with their
    own specific changes to synchronet. it's not 'hacked', it's just their own personal preferences that they run on their own system.

    The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a le over concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.



    it's called having options.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:02:02
    It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-source, i somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with real Lin fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally au all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.



    if you have a community that wants to help, then it can benefit.
    synchronet has that and other smaller bbs softwares have that.

    if you just post something on github there's a chance some ASS will take it and fork it and do 2 small things to it just to put his name on it.
    that's even happened with renegade. the thing is, only the strong survive.

    I get asked about making D'Bridge open-source. That code is maybe useful o to someone who *really* knows about mailers. Otherwise its just a trophy o something for them to recompile with their name plastered all over it.



    like i said, if you have a community that wants to help, that would benefit the product. do you really need help or feedback? or are you the type of person who doesn't want help or feedback?

    in g00r00's situation he yanked the source because someone posted it on his website. he said nobody was helping. those guys have a small fishbowl so maybe they didn't have the right people involved. later on people wanted to help and he told them to fuck off because in the past nobody did anything.

    ... Only the educated are free: Some Greek guy.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Andre Robitaille on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:03:15
    |03Quoting message from |11Andre Robitaille |03to |11James Coyle
    |03on |1106 May 22 09:13:56|03.

    Nope, you are universally disliked everywhere you go. The last messag SYNCHRONET are literally people within the Synchronet community warni others about you being a horrible person and someone everyone dislike

    I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univeral disliked.



    well people dont really stick around. i just call people on their bullshit. people don't like that.

    all those people were glad to use my free bbs services for many many years, though. and ask for my help every day.

    btw, never heard of you.

    ... It's working now; I don't want to break it by fixing it

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Andre Robitaille on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:05:04
    |03Quoting message from |11Andre Robitaille |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1106 May 22 09:17:17|03.

    It likely stems from the same strawman argument that if its open-sour its somehow "better" or "more secure". You see this all the time with Linux fanatics and they move the goalposts when asked if they will personally audit all 250,000+ lines of that Linux kernel looking for exploits.

    That's kind of a strawman too. Improving things by them being open source doesn't have to mean auditing every line of code.

    I've personally submitted a few Synchronet issues because of oddities in t code that were then patched.



    synchronet has evolved into having an ideal community just by having it open.

    it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.
    some people have great ideas. some people are great at testing and finding issues. some people are good programmers. some people are only good at fixing other people's code. these reasons are why it has worked out so well for so long.

    ... How come this jacket they gave me doesn't have sleeves?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:06:05
    |03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11James Coyle
    |03on |1106 May 22 12:58:00|03.

    No one is running custom hacked versions of Synchronet for the same reasons cause like Mystic, they both provide the capability to be extended through
    con
    guration and scripting.

    The idea that you need to modify source code to customize your BBS is a left
    o
    r concept from the 1980 WWIV sysops.

    It sounds like you have at least two Synchronet sysops here who have indee made code changes. In my case, not because I needed to but because I wanted to.

    Mike



    you can literally see the people who submit code changes in one of the synchronet echos as well.

    it's a frequent thing.

    ... Democracy-A catchword used by Democrats and Republicans

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:09:54
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dumas Walker
    |03on |1106 May 22 13:32:34|03.

    On 06 May 22 13:14:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    In my case, it is because in the 1980's/90's I had a package I really liked... enough to pay for it. When the author abandoned the software, it would have been nice to be able to make updates to it to keep it going. Someone did manage to hex edit it and at least make it mostly Y2K compliant, but it makes me leary to invest a lot of time and energy in setting something up that someone else could walk off and leave.

    I felt kinda-the-same way about Renegade. When the Y2kA2 source was made available I scooped it up and was content to make any fixes or improvement for my own enjoyment onward. I was not happy with the post-Y2k releases.

    Atreyu


    i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renegade and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source to 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

    or should i call ariven miri now? :D
    https://i.imgur.com/UC6v01o.png

    ... Money is truthful. If a man speaks of his honor, make him pay cash.- RAH

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:14:08
    Then again, these were those weird canned questions where we weren't supposed to deviate, and couldn't clarify the questions effectively.
    It doesn't give you a chance to learn about the candidate in depth.


    one thing i think is funny is how they ask you to say something bad about yourself. like who is stupid enough to do that. i just say 'i care too
    much' or something like that.

    ... If it jams, force it...If it breaks, it needed replacing.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:14:35
    |03Quoting message from |11Robert Wolfe |03to |11Juan Gonzalez
    |03on |1108 May 22 07:02:26|03.

    On 03 May 2022, Juan Gonzalez said the following...

    As I have re-stumbled upon the "modern" BBS scene today, it seems to that the two most popular and actively maintained BBS packages are Synchronet BBS (home-based at Vertrauen) and Mystic BBS (home-based a the Agency BBS). Both seem to be very similar, but have different stylistic takes on the user interface.

    Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)


    man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

    ... They say God made All Men. I say Samuel Colt made all men Equal.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 09:34:24
    On 09 May 22 07:02:02, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    like i said, if you have a community that wants to help, that would benefit the product. do you really need help or feedback? or are you the type of person who doesn't want help or feedback?

    Help or feedback about how my software runs is one thing and in neverending supply. Help with porting an obscure database library into something a
    modern compiler can digest is something else. I have no help with that. But
    I did get some nice feedback... "uhh yeah Nick good luck with that".

    You keeping using that word community but I do not think it means what you think it means. There is no community of BBS/Fido developers. They are few
    and far between nowadays and they are often busy with their own stuff.

    If you believe that me, G00R00, Rob, Andrew, TJ are all best friends sitting
    on some magical wonderful Discord channel happily helping with eachothers code with flowery emoticon-ridden feedback you are grossly mistaken.

    in g00r00's situation he yanked the source because someone posted it on hi website. he said nobody was helping. those guys have a small fishbowl so

    Seems to me G00R00 and Mystic are doing just fine for a closed-source program that even the militant Linux keyboard warrior fanatics preaching about open-source-everything just seem eager to have it installed and running like kids opening Christmas presents. Hence my remark about moving goalposts.

    My understanding is that you can do "everything" with the Mystic script language or whatever it has. So how exactly will Mystic be improved by making it open source? You mention collaboration. On what part exactly? How will many likely incompetent people messing with its code benefit the average Sysop?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 09:42:16
    On 09 May 22 06:54:59, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

    I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

    As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiters, I have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someone.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 10:39:22
    On 09 May 22 07:09:54, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renegad and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source t 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

    5-11's code is likely not all that different from Y2kA2...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 10:43:49
    On 09 May 22 07:03:15, Jas Hud said the following to Andre Robitaille:

    well people dont really stick around. i just call people on their bullshit people don't like that.

    all those people were glad to use my free bbs services for many many years, though. and ask for my help every day.

    btw, never heard of you.

    I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software, code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus on your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insults and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much as you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

    People have called you out on your BS and you don't like that.

    Btw, I did not hear of you until only a few years ago.

    https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=jas+hud returns no results, so it appears that you were never even a nodelisted Fidonet Sysop (despite your claims you've helped many set this up)

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Monday, May 09, 2022 10:40:00
    Synchronet. It is open source, you don't have to be a programmer to
    chang
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Menu Editor :) ANSI files .... the rest is just there for bells and whistle
    to do what you want. I highly doubt anyone would think of themselves a programmer to use Mystic.
    ^^^^^^

    It would not matter if they were or not because it is not open source.

    Mike

    what do you mean there?

    It would not matter if they were a programmer or not because it (Mystic) is
    not open source.

    Mike

    * SLMR 2.1a * Wrinkles only go where smiles have been - Jimmy Buffett
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Monday, May 09, 2022 10:53:00
    it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

    He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly asking
    him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to TEXT.DAT or that
    won't share the part of their config files he has already asked them to see more than once.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * What do you mean, QWK?? It took me over an hour to read!!
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Monday, May 09, 2022 10:55:00
    i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renegade and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source to 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

    Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it
    happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or paid
    for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * Is it OK to yell "MOVIE" in a crowded Fire Station??
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Monday, May 09, 2022 10:57:00
    As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiters, I
    have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someone.

    I never liked doing it. It is great when you pick someone good and they
    stay, but it is not so great when the pool is thin and you have to pick "someone."

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * Life after death - is that Terminate and Stay Resident?
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 11:08:03
    On 09 May 22 10:57:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    I never liked doing it. It is great when you pick someone good and they stay, but it is not so great when the pool is thin and you have to pick "someone."

    The worst is when HR or someone hires a person to work tech in the company, you do allllllll sorts of training and hand-holding with this new hire... for them to just up and vanish.

    I'm lucky to have certain skillsets, even if a bit niche, and never ever had any problem finding steady work. Been lucky to work both offices and at-home gigs and Covid didn't really seriously affect my career stability.

    I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is
    not being filled by the millenial crowds.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 11:13:21
    On 09 May 22 10:55:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Jas Hud:

    Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or paid for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:27:57
    Help or feedback about how my software runs is one thing and in neverendin supply. Help with porting an obscure database library into something a modern compiler can digest is something else. I have no help with that. Bu I did get some nice feedback... "uhh yeah Nick good luck with that".

    You keeping using that word community but I do not think it means what you think it means. There is no community of BBS/Fido developers. They are few and far between nowadays and they are often busy with their own stuff.

    it's all about how you participate and who you participate with.

    you stay away from the communities i am talking about.
    that's why you and g00r00 are ignorant about them. I'm not using the word ignorant as an insult. every man is ignorant.

    Seems to me G00R00 and Mystic are doing just fine for a closed-source prog that even the militant Linux keyboard warrior fanatics preaching about open-source-everything just seem eager to have it installed and running li kids opening Christmas presents. Hence my remark about moving goalposts.



    so why do you always keep bringing up linux? it seems like you have some huge hate for linux. i'm not even talking about linux.

    My understanding is that you can do "everything" with the Mystic script language or whatever it has. So how exactly will Mystic be improved by mak it open source? You mention collaboration. On what part exactly? How will likely incompetent people messing with its code benefit the average Sysop?


    you and g00r00 will never know, because it will never happen.

    but you can SEE how it has happened with synchronet and other bbs softwares.

    ... Every morning is the dawn of a new error...

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:30:06
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 09:42:16|03.

    On 09 May 22 06:54:59, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Thats one part of my career I've never been tasked with, hiring others.

    I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decen age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

    As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiter have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someon

    Nick

    I don't either, unless it's for someone i'm working with.
    if you don't want to help recruit who you are working with, you're fucking nuts. there's some screwballs out there. there's a lot of people on drugs, there's a lot of people with mental issues.

    ... Honey, your IQ test came back. It's negative.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:33:02
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 10:39:22|03.

    On 09 May 22 07:09:54, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i thought he WAS talking about renegade. i feel the same way about renega and i'm glad i got Jeff to release y2k. too bad we don't have the source 5-11. also good thing ariven was such a nut case and screwed jeff over.

    5-11's code is likely not all that different from Y2kA2...

    Nick

    well, depends on your interpretation of likely not all different.

    gary hall and who knows else worked on it a bit. it's been so many years i'd have to read the whatsnew files or whatever.

    ... Never enough time, unless you're serving it.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:42:30

    I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insult and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.


    i just don't play along.

    i know you are in your own little fishbowl and that's okay.
    i've been a part of bbsing on the internet for over 20 years.
    i'm not here to educate you.

    i don't know much about you either. all i know is you run an old version of renegade and you make a software a handful of people use.

    do you actually want me to post my technical skillset? i'm basically retired. i'm through messing with mysql, perl, php, javascript, linux, and windows and building networks.

    in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i helped tons of people
    that arent around anymore, too.



    i'm about enjoying life and not sorry.

    https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=jas+hud returns no results, so it appears that you were never even a nodelisted Fidonet Sysop (despite your claims you've helped many set this up)


    that's wrong, then.
    i was nodelisted and i was on there for many years after i pulled the plug on it.

    https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A124%2F7013
    it looks like they merged it with bryan's shit.

    i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

    so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably more mistakes but who cares.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:44:06
    |03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 10:53:00|03.

    it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

    He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly asking him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to TEXT.DAT or that won't share the part of their config files he has already asked them to se more than once.

    Mike

    rob has above and beyond patience. especially with me!!

    every bbs developer has taken a lot of abuse.
    cott lang took tons! i'm not sure if google groups still has this but i've read people DEMANDING this young man do this and that with renegade. not asking. demanding.

    ... Your proctologist called. He found your head.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:46:31
    |03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1109 May 22 10:57:00|03.

    As someone who has done tech for and shared office space with IT recruiters,
    I
    have no interest in recruiting or HR or being in a position to hire someone.

    I never liked doing it. It is great when you pick someone good and they stay, but it is not so great when the pool is thin and you have to pick "someone."

    Mike


    there's also bullshit artists and people who just go to school their entire life and do well there, but have no common sense or ability in the real world jobs.

    ... I SWEAR I thought she was 18!

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:48:01
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dumas Walker
    |03on |1109 May 22 11:13:21|03.

    On 09 May 22 10:55:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Jas Hud:

    Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or pai for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.


    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

    i never had to get support for it.

    ... Cthulhu loves you...on a Ritz cracker.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to All on Monday, May 09, 2022 13:03:35
    |03Quoting message from |11Jas Hud |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |119 May 22 12:42|03.


    I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insult and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.



    one thing i would like to clarrify is i'm a computer enthusiast. I've been an electronics tech for most of my life and now i work in a warehouse and i'm working on being happy and spending time with my god daughter.

    after working at a company i hated for almost 20 years, having my mom die of covid and having to deal with her adopted kids and her affairs, AND my best friend blew his brains out has really made me change my focus.

    so if you don't know about me i guess go back on archive.org. but maybe you cant do that because i told them to take down my sites they archived via archiveteam.

    i ran a bunch of bbs service sites and made a bunch of synchronet mods. years ago i made rg and iniquity mods. i'm just a regular guy.

    if you think i'm lying, believe what ya wanna belive. you can probably tell i don't care.

    ... Remember: Scan all files for viru(+(+(&*^)6075$%^&$

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From James Coyle@1:129/215 to Andre Robitaille on Monday, May 09, 2022 12:19:51
    I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univerally disliked.

    Yep! :)

    ... Top secret! Burn before reading!

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/04/26 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Sector 7 * Mystic WHQ (1:129/215)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:10:00
    On 09 May 22 12:27:57, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    it's all about how you participate and who you participate with.

    you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

    Such as?

    so why do you always keep bringing up linux? it seems like you have some hu hate for linux. i'm not even talking about linux.

    Because I can.

    you and g00r00 will never know, because it will never happen.

    but you can SEE how it has happened with synchronet and other bbs softwares

    Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can be tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give
    me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:53:15
    On 09 May 22 12:42:30, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i just don't play along.

    Lol you fold the moment someone questions your skillset. If I didn't have
    some profound effect on your ego you wouldn't bother to reply twice to one message all emotionally choked up about the recent drama in your life.

    You know you can hit the Next key on anything upsetting to you, right?

    i don't know much about you either. all i know is you run an old version of renegade and you make a software a handful of people use.

    Yes, and both are out there for everyone. Wheres all your stuff?

    so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably more mistake but who cares.

    Lol, with your impeccable experience you would know that Nodehist isn't my website. Its written by a Russian developer and extrapolates from publically available nodelists.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:55:12
    On 09 May 22 12:48:01, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

    Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 15:00:03
    On 09 May 22 13:03:35, Jas Hud said the following to All:

    one thing i would like to clarrify is i'm a computer enthusiast. I've been electronics tech for most of my life and now i work in a warehouse and i'm working on being happy and spending time with my god daughter.

    Sounds wonderful - We all want you to be happy. You should spend less time here seeing as how you are not getting the respect for the many contributions you've made with your years of experience we cannot judge for ourselves.

    Nick

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:34:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-

    it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

    He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly
    asking him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to
    TEXT.DAT or that won't share the part of their config files he
    has already asked them to see more than once.

    Concur 100%. In fact I'd say his patience level and willingness to help
    are bordering on the "sainthood" level. For absolute proof of this,
    hang out in the #synchronet IRC channel for a few days...



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:50:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your software code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and focus your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to insult and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as much you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

    i just don't play along.

    No, you just avoid giving any information which would backup your
    bullshit claims.

    i know you are in your own little fishbowl and that's okay.
    i've been a part of bbsing on the internet for over 20 years.
    i'm not here to educate you.

    There's no actual record of that. Probably just more BS.

    do you actually want me to post my technical skillset? i'm
    basically retired. i'm through messing with mysql, perl, php,
    javascript, linux, and windows and building networks.

    Yes. Post your skillset, with verifiable data that backs up your
    claims. What projects/software/sites/networks?

    in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost
    everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i
    helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

    What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simple question.

    https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?name=jas+hud returns no results, so it appears that you were never even a nodelisted Fidonet Sysop (despite your claims you've helped many set this up)

    that's wrong, then.
    i was nodelisted and i was on there for many years after i pulled
    the plug on it.

    https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A124%2F7013
    it looks like they merged it with bryan's shit.

    i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

    Yep, that shows you were a sysop for all of 40 days. Wow.

    so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably
    more mistakes but who cares.

    Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
    and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

    Crawl back into the woodwork, you're not fooling anybody.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 14:52:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or pai for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on
    3 of my bbses with no problems.

    What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not
    running any more? How long did they run?


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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Monday, May 09, 2022 17:51:00
    The worst is when HR or someone hires a person to work tech in the company, you do allllllll sorts of training and hand-holding with this new hire... for them to just up and vanish.

    That used to happen where I work. State-level government does not pay
    great, so you had to hope the younger person was looking for job security or they'd be gone in a year or two.

    I'm lucky to have certain skillsets, even if a bit niche, and never ever had any problem finding steady work. Been lucky to work both offices and at-home gigs and Covid didn't really seriously affect my career stability.

    I lucked out there also, re: COVID.

    I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is not being filled by the millenial crowds.

    I am 6' tall, but don't weigh 300 lbs or currently have a beard. I do know COBOL. I don't get paid all kinds of money, but am hoping that opportunity might still exist when I retire from my current job.

    One reason millenials are not filling those positions is that supposedly
    most US colleges quit teaching those languages.

    Mike

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Monday, May 09, 2022 17:53:00
    On 09 May 22 10:55:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Jas Hud:

    Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/or pai
    for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    I am also on the "I registered IREX" boat but, luckily, Synchronet has tools that replace most of its functionality, and I was able to replace the rest using an ftp script. There are still times when I wish I had one or two of those extras availabile.

    IIRC, Mystic's fidopoll can also mimic several of IREX's features.

    Mike

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Monday, May 09, 2022 18:20:00
    Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can be
    tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board?

    I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not know how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able to figure it out.

    Although I never quite got it working, I was also working on a mod that
    would help me not pull thousands of messages from the server when the news service my ISP had contracted out to mysteriously reset their message
    pointers. That was common enough to cause problems.

    If the source was closed, I would not have had the source to the news
    program to (try to) make either change.

    My ISP stopped offering a news server years ago, so the code (and the
    numbering issue) became obsolete.

    Mike


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 18:37:32
    On 09 May 22 17:53:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    I am also on the "I registered IREX" boat but, luckily, Synchronet has tool that replace most of its functionality, and I was able to replace the rest using an ftp script. There are still times when I wish I had one or two of those extras availabile.

    I bought an Internet Rex license and used it for a short while before I ended up going the Russian-BinkD route and the last FTP connection I had faded off to the sunset. Can't remember exactly when that was but I think it was the early 2000's. I did shamelessly rip off -err- "get inspired" by a few of
    Irex's features to add them to D'Bridge.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 18:40:48
    On 09 May 22 18:20:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    Although I never quite got it working, I was also working on a mod that would help me not pull thousands of messages from the server when the news service my ISP had contracted out to mysteriously reset their message pointers. That was common enough to cause problems.

    Which service was this? I had the exact same problem a few years ago with Usenetdemon. Just up and reset all the pointers for some inexplicable reason.

    My ISP stopped offering a news server years ago, so the code (and the numbering issue) became obsolete.

    I have the C source code for Vsoup95/NT. I was going to fix a few quirky little things wrong with it but no longer have the time.

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to James Coyle on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:28:11
    |03Quoting message from |11James Coyle |03to |11Andre Robitaille
    |03on |1109 May 22 12:19:51|03.

    I'm going to wager a guess that this is MRO. No one on DOVE is so univerally disliked.

    Yep! :)



    i'll wear that like a badge considering the people who 'dislike' me.

    ... Chile today. Hot tamale.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:30:21
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 14:10:00|03.

    On 09 May 22 12:27:57, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    it's all about how you participate and who you participate with.

    you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

    Such as?

    well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

    so why do you always keep bringing up linux? it seems like you have some h hate for linux. i'm not even talking about linux.

    Because I can.


    it's because it's too hard for ya. you're used to your window xp.

    Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and ca tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to gi me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a boa

    Nick


    go look up the msg sub where people submitted changes.

    you keep asking me to educate you, i keep saying fuck off. how long until you catch on?

    i dont have time in my life to teach you.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:33:21
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 14:53:15|03.

    On 09 May 22 12:42:30, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i just don't play along.

    Lol you fold the moment someone questions your skillset. If I didn't have some profound effect on your ego you wouldn't bother to reply twice to one message all emotionally choked up about the recent drama in your life.



    i dont fold but i just dont play along.

    i dont have any ego. anything i try to do, i do. it's not that hard. it just takes effort. you should try that with linux sometime.

    i don't know much about you either. all i know is you run an old version o renegade and you make a software a handful of people use.

    Yes, and both are out there for everyone. Wheres all your stuff?

    my stuff is out there in the bbs community. it's there to be downloaded if you want to. it's nothing special but it works.

    Lol, with your impeccable experience you would know that Nodehist isn't my website. Its written by a Russian developer and extrapolates from publical available nodelists.


    I think YOU are the one who's confused.

    i know the nodelist isnt a website. and i know it's from the nodelists.

    those lists are written by people and people make mistakes. so both those entries have errors in them. also i looked up my friend's bbs and that's full of mistakes.

    so i would stop using those as a reference for anything. they're not reliable.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:34:19
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 14:55:12|03.

    On 09 May 22 12:48:01, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

    Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

    Nick


    no, one of them is timewarrior's key, one of them is reaper's key and one of them is datastream's key.

    if you want any help running irex let me know. it's better than shitbridge.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:35:17
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 15:00:03|03.

    On 09 May 22 13:03:35, Jas Hud said the following to All:

    one thing i would like to clarrify is i'm a computer enthusiast. I've bee electronics tech for most of my life and now i work in a warehouse and i'm working on being happy and spending time with my god daughter.

    Sounds wonderful - We all want you to be happy. You should spend less time here seeing as how you are not getting the respect for the many contributi you've made with your years of experience we cannot judge for ourselves.



    thanks man, and your welcome for all i've done for the community.
    i'm glad you are finally showing some respect.

    good luck with your one trick pony program that 3 people use.

    ... No amount of careful planning will ever replace dumb luck

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:36:49
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Dumas Walker
    |03on |1109 May 22 14:34:00|03.

    Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-

    it's because rob is a good project manager. he takes people's feedback.

    He also has decent-enough patience with people who are constantly asking him if Rob can change the default colors or add lines to TEXT.DAT or that won't share the part of their config files he
    has already asked them to see more than once.

    Concur 100%. In fact I'd say his patience level and willingness to help are bordering on the "sainthood" level. For absolute proof of this,
    hang out in the #synchronet IRC channel for a few days...


    he has handled years of phil taylor.

    but i've always said this: i've dealt with phil. he is smarter than he lets on. he just has this weird personality trait where he asks questions to stuff he already knows. he HAS setup some complicated stuff with nobody's help. he can do it.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:40:02
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 14:50:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    I asked you politely in Metronet to provide for me a link to your sof code or accomplishments so I can move past your frequent bravado and your actual technical skillset. You moved goalposts and resulted to i and that we should all just "know" who you are. If you contributed as you say you have, something somewhere would have this on record.

    i just don't play along.

    No, you just avoid giving any information which would backup your
    bullshit claims.


    oh look it's gamgee the fail troll.

    in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost
    everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i
    helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

    What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simple question.


    boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
    if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

    i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

    Yep, that shows you were a sysop for all of 40 days. Wow.


    that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.

    i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

    so that's 2 entries that your website is wrong about. probably
    more mistakes but who cares.

    Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
    and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.


    how so? the entries are wrong. can you prove they are correct?
    Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
    and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.


    Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
    and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

    Crawl back into the woodwork, you're not fooling anybody.


    fool anybody about what? go back under your rock, fail troll.

    i must have hurt you so bad for your asshole to be bleeding all these years.

    but i dont even remember you other than some jerk who goes out of his way to try to troll me and then i block you.

    ... Tact is knowing how far you can go too far.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:40:28
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 14:52:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    Actually, I was not. I was talking about GT Power, but I am sure it happened to plenty of other sysops who purchased a registration and/o for upgrades only to have the author eventually disappear.

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on
    3 of my bbses with no problems.

    What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?


    more ignorance.

    ... It's NOT kill the women and rape the men, it's...

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 09, 2022 23:46:33
    |03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1109 May 22 18:20:00|03.

    Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can
    be
    tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board

    I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not kn how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able to figure it out.



    well i dont know if you can count changing the javascript as modifying source. is it? i'm sure nick will say the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

    i do have a script that 'packs' my user base. which rob says is a no no.
    this is due to msg pointers and private msgs [not emails].
    i just copy over a default msg pointer to all those packed new accounts.

    when i was real anal about having deleted users in my user records i came up with it. it's really not that much of a benefit.

    then i had a script that tracker helped me on that deletes users based on whatever criteria you you want. that is useful sometimes. right now i leave all that stuff alone and let the bbs run.

    now people do change the source. ragnarok does this. there's a few other guys over the years that have dropped out bbsing that changed the source around.

    there's also a lot of contributions that are added in by various people.

    nick and g00r00 don't know about this because they don't look.
    it's there for anybody to see.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 09, 2022 21:52:37
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Dumas Walker on Mon May 09 2022 11:08 am

    I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is not being filled by the millenial crowds.

    Isn't there an epoch coming up in 2038 when UNIX time_t rolls over? Time to dust off the consulting web site...

    Old languages are interesting to re-discover. I'm setting up a DOS VM mostly to play with Turbo Pascal, and I'm looking for a good FORTRAN environment (go figure...)

    Nowadays, you could emulate an old IBM system and write COBOL or RPG code on a home system with more power than you'd have used back in the day.
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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 05:17:09
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Mon May 09 2022 02:10 pm

    Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can be
    tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to give me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a board?

    Nick

    From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
    POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
    release a binary package.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 07:25:45
    |03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1109 May 22 21:52:37|03.

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Dumas Walker on Mon May 09 2022 11:08 am

    I kinda wished I studied Cobol or Fortran or mainframes or anything that the six-foot-tall-300-pound-bearded-wizards are retiring from, where they were paid all kinds of money and where there is apparently a HUGE demand that is not being filled by the millenial crowds.

    Isn't there an epoch coming up in 2038 when UNIX time_t rolls over? Time t dust off the consulting web site...

    Old languages are interesting to re-discover. I'm setting up a DOS VM most to play with Turbo Pascal, and I'm looking for a good FORTRAN environment figure...)

    Nowadays, you could emulate an old IBM system and write COBOL or RPG code home system with more power than you'd have used back in the day.


    i don't think there IS a big calling for cobol programmers like they expected. i know most state's unemployment benefit systems were written in cobol.

    they need to just scrap it and start over instead of trying workarounds.
    my state rep was on the radio talking about how he was told it functions and it's so backwards and old i'm surprised it could handle anything, much less the bad times during covid.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Richard Falken on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 07:31:51
    |03Quoting message from |11Richard Falken |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1110 May 22 05:17:09|03.

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Mon May 09 2022 02:10 pm

    Synchronet also apparently has very advanced scripting capabilities and can
    be
    tailored to every conceivable fantasy one dreams up. I challenge you to giv me a scenario where you absolutely MUST have that source code to run a
    board?

    Nick

    From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
    POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
    release a binary package.



    if you're runing *nix you need to compile it.

    i think these guys here were talking about actually modifying the source. they're saying that synchronet is so configurable that it's not necessary. people still edit the source and have their own little versions.

    probably the one thing people weren't happy about was the file areas and how they handled LFN and listings. there were a few guys playing around with that and maybe some of their ideas or modifications made into the latest release.

    there are some things that are hard coded that i can see people wanting to change. for example some of the color settings are in attr.cfg. that's just a little text file that handles SOME of the colors:

    WH Mnemonic Prompts High
    G Mnemonic Prompts Low
    WH Mnemonic Commands
    WH4E String Input Inverse Text
    RH Error/Warning Message
    WH Node Number in Node Status
    GH User Name in Node Status
    G Node Status
    BH File Name in Listings
    M File Points in Listings
    W File Descriptions in Listings
    YH File Listings Header Box
    B File Listings Title Underline
    GH Chat Text Input Locally
    G Chat Text Input Remotely
    W Mult-node Chat Text Input
    WH External Programs (default attribute)
    WH5 Votes Full
    WH Votes Empty
    WH5 Progress Complete
    WH Progress Incomplete


    i think it's obvious to most people that these values belong in the text.dat
    if i was enthusiastic enough about bbsing and we had some users, i'd probably make this change for my own system. BUT..... if there was another release i'd just be screwed and have to work around their next changes.
    it would be better to get them to accept the changes and then submit it.

    ... If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 07:31:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost
    everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i
    helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

    What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simple question.

    boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
    if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

    As I said, it was a simple question. And yet, you still failed.

    i also here but the info is wrong here https://nodehist.fidonet.org.ua/?address=1%3A11%2F228

    Yep, that shows you were a sysop for all of 40 days. Wow.

    that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could
    never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.
    i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

    The site is accurate for my listing(s), and everyone else's that I've
    ever tried to look at. Why is it wrong for yours?

    That's right. It's not wrong. You're just lying.

    Pretty poor job, overall, of you discrediting what was said about you,
    and a LOT of backpedaling and bullshit.

    how so? the entries are wrong. can you prove they are correct?

    The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is
    there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

    Go away, liar. Nobody believes a word you say. You want to know why? Because.... when asked to back up your claims, you NEVER respond in a
    way that answers the question. You spout stupidity and have nothing to
    prove any of your claims. You're a laughingstock, troll-boi.


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 07:33:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on
    3 of my bbses with no problems.

    What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

    more ignorance.

    How so? I'm asking you a few simple questions. You fail to answer, as always. You're making yourself look foolish, as always. A bullshitter
    with no facts to back up his claims.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 08:21:50
    On 09 May 22 23:30:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

    Such as?

    well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

    In other words, you can't name one. Gotcha.

    it's because it's too hard for ya. you're used to your window xp.

    I'm not the only one running a board on a "retro" environment but for some reason you wanted to single me out because you can. Thats fine but you clearly don't bring anything to the table but unoriginal teenager insults.

    Was hoping you'd impress us all here with your 20 years of computer tech
    skills and show us all why we're all wrong about you and why you're so right.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 08:29:30
    On 09 May 22 23:34:19, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Internet Rex is likely the most notorious example of this.

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex on 3 of my bbses with no problems.

    Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

    no, one of them is timewarrior's key, one of them is reaper's key and one o them is datastream's key.

    Lol, the original conversation was about paying for something to have the author abandon. You mentioned you installed Irex for 3 different BBS's and
    had "no problem". Uhh okay, good for you but thats not what this was about.

    So I asked you if you paid for your license keys.

    You did not.

    Bascially, you contributed nothing to the topic discussed other than showing everyone you're an asshat.

    Was hoping for something better with your 20 years of computer skillz?

    if you want any help running irex let me know. it's better than shitbridge

    I'll bet it is. Let us know when the next Irex version comes out?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Richard Falken on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 08:41:17
    On 10 May 22 05:17:09, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

    From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
    POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
    release a binary package.

    Did Rob give specific reasons as to why he wouldn't?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 08:42:58
    On 09 May 22 21:52:37, Kurt Weiske said the following to Nick Andre:

    Isn't there an epoch coming up in 2038 when UNIX time_t rolls over? Time to dust off the consulting web site...

    Something like that, yes. Rob and I actually traded emails about a concern I had over a potential problem with Zmodem.

    I have not had the time yet to fire up a VM to test this further.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 09:28:32
    On 09 May 22 23:33:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    those lists are written by people and people make mistakes. so both those entries have errors in them. also i looked up my friend's bbs and that's f of mistakes.

    so i would stop using those as a reference for anything. they're not reliab

    Maybe, but NodeHist is a project that documents a living timeline of events. Errors or not its established you eventually pulled a vanishing act.

    You're getting a bit bland for my tastes; I was expecting more technically stimulating convo from someone with 20 years of computer skillz.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 06:46:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    one thing i think is funny is how they ask you to say something bad
    about yourself. like who is stupid enough to do that. i just say 'i
    care too much' or something like that.


    "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

    "Well, Keith, I'd say listening is my biggest weakness."



    ... Mechanicalise something idiosyncratic
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 09, 2022 07:20:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just need
    to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of a decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is
    certainly up.

    I don't look to harshly at 1-2 year stints, especially in tech.
    There's a lot of possibility for upward mobility there. It certainly
    merits a deeper dive to make sure that there aren't personality
    issues driving the movement.

    I had one boss neg me on a "director/manager" role, they wanted to
    sell the director role and pay for a manager. He commented that I'd
    "moved around a lot" when I had spent 2 years at my last job, 2 years
    before that, and 4 year before that.

    I saw his resume after he'd left, and he hadn't lasted a year at his
    last 3 gigs. I'm *sure* he had a reason, though.



    ... Not building a wall but making a brick
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 06:38:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    i don't think there IS a big calling for cobol programmers like they expected. i know most state's unemployment benefit systems were written
    in cobol.

    Y2K did manage to re-employ tons of COBOL programmers, right when
    they were getting ready to retire. My bet would be on RPG as the next
    retirement employment opportunity, as IBM has worked to keep the
    hardware relevant. You could migrate off of your RPG code onto
    virtualized *nix, on the same box.

    they need to just scrap it and start over instead of trying
    workarounds. my state rep was on the radio talking about how he was
    told it functions and it's so backwards and old i'm surprised it could handle anything, much less the bad times during covid.

    Some people don't change. I've seen people that worked swing shifts
    swapping tapes, printing out reports and running through maintenance
    checklists, right up until they unplugged the last AS/400 and laid
    them off. Didn't know what hit them.





    ... Go outside. Shut the door.
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 07:14:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to NICK ANDRE <=-

    That used to happen where I work. State-level government does not pay great, so you had to hope the younger person was looking for job
    security or they'd be gone in a year or two.

    When I worked in local government IT, there were younger people who
    started working there looking for job security. They were still
    there, 30 years later.

    We half-joked that some of the people working there started working
    before their manager was born. Half-joking, because it was true.

    It takes a certain mentality to work in a job like that for so long,
    keep your head down, do everything you can do not stand out, do the
    same thing day after day, take a union-mandated raise every once in a
    while, and retire with a pension.

    That ain't me.


    ... Is there something missing?
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:37:06
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 07:31:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

    What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simpl question.

    boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
    if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

    As I said, it was a simple question. And yet, you still failed.

    sorry gamgee. i dont feed the trolls!

    that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could
    never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.
    i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

    The site is accurate for my listing(s), and everyone else's that I've
    ever tried to look at. Why is it wrong for yours?

    That's right. It's not wrong. You're just lying.


    you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. you didn't even look


    The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is
    there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.



    i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

    Because.... when asked to back up your claims, you NEVER respond in a
    way that answers the question. You spout stupidity and have nothing to prove any of your claims. You're a laughingstock, troll-boi.



    gamgee. come on. tell me how i hurt you. why is your ass bleeding.
    i dont know you but you've always acted like you knew me and always tried to pick a fight and i wouldn't bite.

    come on gamgee. let it out.

    ... Sometimes the depths of your ignorance amazes even me.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:38:40
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 07:33:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    i must be the luckiest guy in the world because i've used irex o 3 of my bbses with no problems.

    What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

    more ignorance.

    How so? I'm asking you a few simple questions. You fail to answer, as always. You're making yourself look foolish, as always. A bullshitter with no facts to back up his claims.



    you have literally tried to troll me when i posted on all my bbses gamgee.
    you even got yelled at last month.
    I have 4 bbses that have been up very very long.

    you're the liar, gamgee.

    tell me, why is your anus in agony because of me? what did i do to you.
    maybe i will make amends, gamgee.

    ... The weed of crime bears bitter fruit but I like the taste

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:44:26
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 08:21:50|03.

    On 09 May 22 23:30:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    you stay away from the communities i am talking about.

    Such as?

    well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

    In other words, you can't name one. Gotcha.



    i just dont do my homework for people. i dont have time in my life for that.

    you don't think there's collaborative communities in bbsing, you keep believing that. you're only holding yourself back. just like your hate of linux.

    I'm not the only one running a board on a "retro" environment but for some reason you wanted to single me out because you can. Thats fine but you cle don't bring anything to the table but unoriginal teenager insults.


    hey more power to you if you think you're running a board in a retro environment. you're not, you're just using an obsolete OS that shouldn't be on the internet . if you want to wear that windows xp like a badge, go ahead fella. that's good that you run sofware and hardware that i've rather toss
    in the dumpster. good for you.



    Was hoping you'd impress us all here with your 20 years of computer tech skills and show us all why we're all wrong about you and why you're so rig

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2


    as you like to say, i dont like to compare penises [if i did you would lose]

    i did have an impressive amount of knowledge. i am really surprised when i look at all the stuff i've done. even just scripts on my bbs are pretty involved and i have to shake off the rust to remember stuff. if you dont use it, you lose it. but i have forgotten more stuff than most people have known. especially if you look at whats left.

    i'm glad you run an older version of renegade on older hardware.
    what i didnt like is you didnt realize why you had your issue.

    i'm all for diversity. i don't really call bbses anymore but sometimes i visit the hourly bbs on my irc channel and i just hate seeing a default synchronet or mystic bbs. now it's more mystic ones which is sad.

    good for you and i apologize. i was just being defensive about pcmike's software which i myself have complained about.
    your issue was because of your old software, though and i wish you could have come to realize that.

    ... Bought some powdered water.....What do I add??

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:47:28

    Good for you. Did you pay for your license keys?

    no, one of them is timewarrior's key, one of them is reaper's key and one them is datastream's key.

    Lol, the original conversation was about paying for something to have the author abandon. You mentioned you installed Irex for 3 different BBS's and had "no problem". Uhh okay, good for you but thats not what this was about



    "LOL", you talked shit about irex like usual and i said i had no problem.
    the only stuff i paid for was lord and planets. i wouldn't have paid for anything else. most of my stuff i inherited and donated to the bbs community.

    you haven't done that with one thing, have you?

    if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with paying for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription?
    you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

    you should have bought it because it worked for you and left it like that. don't expect anything else unless you are told.
    especially concerning the software and what it's used for. it's stupid to complain about that.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:48:10
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Richard Falken
    |03on |1110 May 22 08:41:17|03.

    On 10 May 22 05:17:09, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

    From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
    POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does not care to
    release a binary package.

    Did Rob give specific reasons as to why he wouldn't?


    usually it's because they didn't have an environment to compile it in.

    it's best to compile your own stuff, though.

    ... Sects! Sects! Sects! Is that all Monks think about?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:51:51
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 09:28:32|03.

    On 09 May 22 23:33:21, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    those lists are written by people and people make mistakes. so both those entries have errors in them. also i looked up my friend's bbs and that's of mistakes.

    so i would stop using those as a reference for anything. they're not relia

    Maybe, but NodeHist is a project that documents a living timeline of event Errors or not its established you eventually pulled a vanishing act.

    You're getting a bit bland for my tastes; I was expecting more technically stimulating convo from someone with 20 years of computer skillz.



    yeah it's a documentation from a human with errors.

    yeah i pulled vanishing acts. you said i was never on there.
    like i said the first one my feed was a cook.

    with datastream i was just sick of fidonet. it was so shitty back then.
    shannon wanted me to take over for him but he took off and i just took off too. there was no benefit. unlike some people if something's old and useless, i toss it.

    really, the cooking echo and this echo are the only decent ones on fidonet.


    You're getting a bit bland for my tastes; I was expecting more technically stimulating convo from someone with 20 years of computer skillz.



    sorry like i said i'm not here to educate people. i'm not here to play sword fight with our dicks with you.

    i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now. i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used. it's all no big deal. the only one making it a big deal is you.

    ... The moat is off-limits to swimming, except to IRS agents

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:52:55
    |03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 06:46:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    one thing i think is funny is how they ask you to say something bad about yourself. like who is stupid enough to do that. i just say 'i care too much' or something like that.


    "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

    "Well, Keith, I'd say listening is my biggest weakness."


    that's a good one.

    normally i go with the mitch hedberg answer.

    ... If I wanted flames, I'd sell my soul to the Devil.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:57:34
    |03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1109 May 22 07:20:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    I have a good eye for people, but really to hire someone you just nee to look at their work history and not be too picky. if someone is of decent age and they only work at a place 1-2 years something is certainly up.

    I don't look to harshly at 1-2 year stints, especially in tech.
    There's a lot of possibility for upward mobility there. It certainly
    merits a deeper dive to make sure that there aren't personality
    issues driving the movement.

    I had one boss neg me on a "director/manager" role, they wanted to
    sell the director role and pay for a manager. He commented that I'd
    "moved around a lot" when I had spent 2 years at my last job, 2 years
    before that, and 4 year before that.

    I saw his resume after he'd left, and he hadn't lasted a year at his
    last 3 gigs. I'm *sure* he had a reason, though.




    yeah i had an interview at a place in january that i was interested in and i learned later it was falling apart. the complained about me leaving my job of 17 years and then i tried 2 other places and i didn't like it until i stuck with my current job.

    they are around my age and they havent been at a place more than 1-2 years. they take positions they can't handle and bomb out. you cant hide for long in a company like that, no matter how braindead they are.


    at the interview they also asked me if i can do other things that were totally unrelated to my position; a mechanic position. i'm not going to be a mechanic and do my regular job and not get extra money for it.

    good thing indeed is so great with reviews. i pulled up the reviews for this place and i really dodged a bullet. so now i'm working in a warehouse and i have great insurance and i'm considering taking some classes with them paying for it upfront. i'm not a big fan of school because i'm so impatient and
    i'm a quick learner. i'm going to get more information and see if there's anything i can pick up.

    ... Come on Mr. Krinkle tell me why...

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:00:47
    |03Quoting message from |11Kurt Weiske |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 06:38:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    i don't think there IS a big calling for cobol programmers like they expected. i know most state's unemployment benefit systems were writt in cobol.

    Y2K did manage to re-employ tons of COBOL programmers, right when
    they were getting ready to retire. My bet would be on RPG as the next
    retirement employment opportunity, as IBM has worked to keep the
    hardware relevant. You could migrate off of your RPG code onto
    virtualized *nix, on the same box.

    i heard talk of y2k cobol armageddon but then i was unsure if that ever came into fruition. my friends in IT never brought it up. i know on the news they mentioned hiring cobol programmers for short contracts. i am not sure how that panned out.


    Some people don't change. I've seen people that worked swing shifts
    swapping tapes, printing out reports and running through maintenance
    checklists, right up until they unplugged the last AS/400 and laid
    them off. Didn't know what hit them.



    man i miss as400. i could do so much with it. we switched to jdedwards at my job and had a rough time in transition.

    Companies just have stupid people that dont take accountability. they let things fall apart. some people wouldn't even pull the fire alarm if the place was on fire.

    ... Carefull, we might be landing on your street

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:03:04
    before their manager was born. Half-joking, because it was true.

    It takes a certain mentality to work in a job like that for so long,
    keep your head down, do everything you can do not stand out, do the
    same thing day after day, take a union-mandated raise every once in a
    while, and retire with a pension.

    That ain't me.


    that's a spineless way to live. if there's a problem i have to speak up about it. i cant go under the radar. i'm not a meek person.

    i hate people that dont care

    ... Forget the manual, phone the author at home!

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:39:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    in the bbs world i ran sites (for over 10 years) that almost everyone benefitted from. and i asked nothing in return. i helped tons of people that arent around anymore, too.

    What "sites" were those, that helped "almost everyone"? It's a simpl question.

    boy you are ignorant. you are probably a member of some of them.
    if i cared enough i'd go look through my table backups

    As I said, it was a simple question. And yet, you still failed.

    sorry gamgee. i dont feed the trolls!

    Trolling? Nope. Just a simple question, that you won't answer. I
    think we can all see who the troll/liar/bullshitter is here.

    Answer the question. What sites did you run that helped "almost
    everyone"?

    that's actually wrong. my feed was some old dude that i could
    never get into contact with. i never got a feed from him.
    i did have a feed in the late 90s though.

    The site is accurate for my listing(s), and everyone else's that I've
    ever tried to look at. Why is it wrong for yours?

    That's right. It's not wrong. You're just lying.

    you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. you didn't even look

    Another non-response. Your claims do not verify.

    The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is
    there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

    i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

    Yep, and *ONE* of them showed you listed in Fidonet for 40 days. Facts.

    You have a hard time dealing with facts, don't you?



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:43:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    What 3 BBSs were those? What were their names? How come they're not running any more? How long did they run?

    more ignorance.

    How so? I'm asking you a few simple questions. You fail to answer, as always. You're making yourself look foolish, as always. A bullshitter with no facts to back up his claims.

    you have literally tried to troll me when i posted on all my
    bbses gamgee. you even got yelled at last month.
    I have 4 bbses that have been up very very long.

    So you say. Why not tell the names of these BBSes? What harm is there
    in doing that?

    you're the liar, gamgee.

    I haven't lied here. Just asking a very simple question that you won't answer. It's not hard to understand why though.... because if you DID
    answer, we'd all see that you're a lying POS. You make claims but can't
    back them up when asked to.

    Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are up
    and running and have been for a long time?



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 10:55:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now.

    What are the addresses of the "bunch" running now?

    i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used.

    What were some of these "sites"?


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 11:43:14
    On 10 May 22 10:44:26, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    well you live under a rock, so anything that isnt under a rock.

    In other words, you can't name one. Gotcha.

    i just dont do my homework for people. i dont have time in my life for that

    You don't have time to copy-n-paste something to shut me up about it but
    you have time to write me paragraphs of insult nonsense. You can't or won't answer a simple question. Where do I find and join communities of fellow BBS programmers. NOT fellow BBS users or Sysops as there are plenty of those.

    hey more power to you if you think you're running a board in a retro environment. you're not, you're just using an obsolete OS that shouldn't b on the internet . if you want to wear that windows xp like a badge, go ah fella. that's good that you run sofware and hardware that i've rather toss in the dumpster. good for you.

    The only person who has a problem with my setup... is you.

    i'm glad you run an older version of renegade on older hardware.
    what i didnt like is you didnt realize why you had your issue.

    Again - Net2BBS one day stopped working. I did everything conceivable to try to fix it. Then I replaced it with something else that did work. Problem solved. Nobody else saw a problem with the logic in this... but you.

    Next you intervened with several messages of insults and nonsense on Metronet, not realising that had you of allowed me to explain or even better, called my board, you would clearly see that I'm running NetFoss, just not the Net2bbs component. Both are PC-Mike's products. One works for me and one doesn't.

    your issue was because of your old software, though and i wish you could ha

    Nope.

    good for you and i apologize. i was just being defensive about pcmike's software which i myself have complained about.

    Sorry, not accepted. Everyone gets one chance with me and you blew it.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 12:06:09
    On 10 May 22 10:47:28, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with payin for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription? you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

    Many people bought license keys for Irex. I was one of them. There was no question that for a time the software filled a need and worked very well. You would most certainly agree with your 20 years of computer skillz.

    Now I understand if its mentally challenging for you to entertain the idea of "software support" because you love free keys, but Charles was in a fact a
    very active developer who led people to believe he would support his products that people were paying him decent money for. Sadly that was not the case.

    When he vanished from the scene, he left a 3rd-party gateway in place for a time to accept payments for his software. It looked odd to many Sysops here to continue to accept payments for something that is no longer supported. Most other Fido authors were decent enough to release keys or keygens as freeware.

    The problem was not the lack of support, but the way Charles left with no exit-strategy in place for his popular software. Irex is functionally limited unless you *PAY* for a license key. Its hard to do that now with the payment gateway apparently shut down.

    I know you'll be Captain Obvious now and say "keys are available if you look for them" but that doesn't change the fact that its abandonware which one cannot register in their OWN NAME unless one is a hex-editing Rain Man genius.

    Irex has many bugs that will never be fixed, including a DNS dependancy problem on Linux. Which is why maaaaaaaaaaany people ditched that abandonware and went with the open-source BinkD project or stuff based from it. D'Bridge, Argus, Taurus, MIS in Mystic, Synchronet, MBSE, etc etc...

    Irex has a problem that affects future developers - you know, that "community" you like to bring up - where if you write a BinkD mailer you must take into account the idiosyncratic ways that Irex does handshaking. G00R00 wrote many detailed first-hand accounts of this problem.

    The Irex debacle has been discussed so many times in Fidonet and in the IREX echo which I'm sure TJ carries on his board for you to read up on. If TJ's backlog of mail doesn't go far enough, mine does.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:42:00
    On 10 May 22 10:51:51, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    sorry like i said i'm not here to educate people. i'm not here to play swor fight with our dicks with you.

    Your many nonsense replies to me suggest otherwise. There is no harm in hitting the Next key if you grow impatient. When you have 20 years of skillz you're bound to get frustrated with all the newbies here. We all understand.

    i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now. i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used. it's all no big deal. the only one making it a big deal is you.

    But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?

    Anyone can call mine, anyone can install my software, anyone can research me all over. Nothing to hide or brag about. You on the other hand make it a point to say you have all this experience and if we don't like it, we suck.

    Having some bravado is fine if you earned it; you can get away with being a bit of a dick. Having some with nothing to show for it, not even a board we can all see for ourselves... makes you an asshat. Widely despised everywhere.

    Its pretty hard to get flamed on Dovenet unless you *want* to be flamed...

    Nick

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:27:04
    sorry gamgee. i dont feed the trolls!

    Trolling? Nope. Just a simple question, that you won't answer. I
    think we can all see who the troll/liar/bullshitter is here.

    Answer the question. What sites did you run that helped "almost everyone"?


    sorry gamgee. i don't understand what you are saying.
    can you ask again real slowly.

    you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. you didn't even look

    Another non-response. Your claims do not verify.

    The "burden" is not on me to prove they are correct. Bottom line is there is no record of you being a Fidonet sysop. Simple fact.

    i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

    Yep, and *ONE* of them showed you listed in Fidonet for 40 days. Facts.

    You have a hard time dealing with facts, don't you?


    i think you have reading problems gamgee. they have programs for that.
    maybe you can try for your GED.

    also you are asking me for my bbses yet claim to have read this nodelist search site.

    more reading issues.

    you are referencing the one system where i couldn't get ahold of my feed and applying it to the other one in 2007 where i had a fidonet feed for quite a while.

    anyways, lets cut the bullshit.
    you don't care about any of this. you just want to smear me.

    so come on, why won't you tell me how i hurt you?
    come on kiddo. open up. cat got your tongue, gamgee?

    ... Long live conference hosts ... so they can suffer longer.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:30:31
    you have literally tried to troll me when i posted on all my
    bbses gamgee. you even got yelled at last month.
    I have 4 bbses that have been up very very long.

    So you say. Why not tell the names of these BBSes? What harm is there
    in doing that?

    you're the liar, gamgee.

    I haven't lied here. Just asking a very simple question that you won't answer. It's not hard to understand why though.... because if you DID

    I haven't lied here. Just asking a very simple question that you won't answer. It's not hard to understand why though.... because if you DID answer, we'd all see that you're a lying POS. You make claims but can't back them up when asked to.

    Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are up
    and running and have been for a long time?


    it's very strange that you are asking questions about something you already know about.

    even something sean had to talk to you about just last month.
    do you have memory issues?
    i thought you might be brain damaged, but does it affect your memory too, sport?

    you have even been a user on one or two of them.

    I don't understand why you are playing these games, gamgee. what is your thought process behind this?

    how about you send me your address and i'll order some prep h for your sore ass from amazon. it's on me, gamgee.

    ... If it screams, it's not food.........yet.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:31:21
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 10:55:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Nick Andre <=-

    i've ran a bbs since 1997 and have a bunch running now.

    What are the addresses of the "bunch" running now?


    quit playing your games gamgee.
    i've told you to fuck off on all of them.

    i ran a bunch of sites most bbs people used.

    What were some of these "sites"?

    well it's not your momma's pussy. everyone's used that too.

    ... Don't steal...the government hates competition.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:32:30
    i just dont do my homework for people. i dont have time in my life for tha

    You don't have time to copy-n-paste something to shut me up about it but you have time to write me paragraphs of insult nonsense. You can't or won' answer a simple question. Where do I find and join communities of fellow B programmers. NOT fellow BBS users or Sysops as there are plenty of those.


    cut and paste what from where?

    do you and gamgee have the same mental disorder?
    i've already answered your questions.

    good for you and i apologize. i was just being defensive about pcmike's software which i myself have complained about.

    Sorry, not accepted. Everyone gets one chance with me and you blew it.

    Nick


    and now i cry.

    ... MAXIMUM UNPLEASANT STIMULI!!!

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:36:18
    Many people bought license keys for Irex. I was one of them. There was no question that for a time the software filled a need and worked very well. would most certainly agree with your 20 years of computer skillz.


    i probably have around 35 years worth of computer skills. update your records.

    The Irex debacle has been discussed so many times in Fidonet and in the IR echo which I'm sure TJ carries on his board for you to read up on. If TJ's backlog of mail doesn't go far enough, mine does.


    if i want to die of boredom i'll go back and read you cry about it.
    right now i could not care less.

    i recall something about there being a site that accepted registrations.
    i probably was going to register with it. i think i have the url in
    my bbs links on one of my old sites.

    i'm not surprised it happened and neither should you.
    maybe the guy became ill.
    maybe he lost the source code and couldn't support himself due to his health.

    ... If it doesn't work, change the documentation.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Gamgee on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 14:51:11
    hey gamgee

    here's an old backup of my user file.
    it's raw output but easy to read.

    who's this?

    https://i.imgur.com/6n8Rqmk.png


    told you guys he's a liar about not knowing shit about me or my bbses.

    this dude has been on me like flies on shit since day one.

    ... Psychiatry: The study of the ID by the ODD.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 16:04:45
    On 10 May 22 14:51:11, Jas Hud said the following to Gamgee:

    hey gamgee
    here's an old backup of my user file.
    it's raw output but easy to read.
    who's this?

    Ahh the screenshots game... Almost as credible as showing off log files.

    How do we know you didn't create an account on your own board as Gamgee/Dan?

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 16:23:36
    On 10 May 22 14:36:18, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i probably have around 35 years worth of computer skills. update your records.

    Correction noted. Only 35? I was expecting you to conjure up a tale of inventing some worldwide standard we all use which you never got credit for.

    if i want to die of boredom i'll go back and read you cry about it.
    right now i could not care less.

    .... yet you continue below to write about it...

    i recall something about there being a site that accepted registrations.
    i probably was going to register with it. i think i have the url in
    my bbs links on one of my old sites.

    i'm not surprised it happened and neither should you.
    maybe the guy became ill.
    maybe he lost the source code and couldn't support himself due to his healt

    I gave my license key to someone else once I wrote my own solution. According to my dev-notes that would of been around....... '06 I think.

    https://fido-z1.darkrealms.ca/files/dbridge/history.txt

    Never looked back after that.

    Nick

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 15:04:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    i just showed 2 urls, gamgee.

    Yep, and *ONE* of them showed you listed in Fidonet for 40 days. Facts.

    you are referencing the one system where i couldn't get ahold of
    my feed and applying it to the other one in 2007 where i had a
    fidonet feed for quite a while.

    If you couldn't get ahold of your feed, how'd you get a feed?

    Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

    Search by sysop name
    Enter sysop name:
    1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23 1:124/7013 Bryan Turner-Jason Hud from Garland TX 2007.01.19 - 2012.10.24

    So, like I already said, it shows you listed for about 40 days.

    That other entry, I don't know about. Is 'Bryan Turner' your butt-buddy
    and you were a "co-sysop" (which means you're a nothing)? Did you live
    in Garland TX? Doubt it. For some reason you got that dude to include
    your name on his nodelist entry?

    Now come back and show me some other result from the node search. The
    above is all there is.

    You're a poser, and a liar.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 15:07:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are up
    and running and have been for a long time?

    it's very strange that you are asking questions about something
    you already know about.

    Nope, not strange. Simply asking you to list the "4 BBSes" that you
    run. Why wouldn't you do that, just to prove me wrong?

    The answer is that you do not run any BBSes, and are lying.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 15:10:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Gamgee <=-

    here's an old backup of my user file.
    it's raw output but easy to read.
    who's this?

    told you guys he's a liar about not knowing shit about me or my
    bbses.

    I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
    anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was
    called.

    Why won't you tell what the name(s) of your BBSes are? Is it because
    they're no longer running, and you don't want to admit your irrelvance,
    and that you're an exaggerating bullshitter?

    Yup.



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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 15:57:00
    I bought an Internet Rex license and used it for a short while before I ended up going the Russian-BinkD route and the last FTP connection I had faded off to the sunset. Can't remember exactly when that was but I think it was the early 2000's. I did shamelessly rip off -err- "get inspired" by a few of Irex's features to add them to D'Bridge.

    I am sure your users are glad you did. It gives them a still-supported alternative.

    Mike


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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 15:58:00
    Although I never quite got it working, I was also working on a mod that would help me not pull thousands of messages from the server when the news
    service my ISP had contracted out to mysteriously reset their message pointers. That was common enough to cause problems.

    Which service was this? I had the exact same problem a few years ago with Usenetdemon. Just up and reset all the pointers for some inexplicable reason.

    I cannot remember who they farmed it out to now or I would be happy to tell
    you about it. It may have happened as often as once a month.

    Mike


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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 16:02:00
    I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not kn
    how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able to
    figure it out.

    well i dont know if you can count changing the javascript as modifying source.
    is it? i'm sure nick will say the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

    I would look at it this way... it was javascript that controlled one of the features of the system (the newserver) that likely would not have been
    there to change if the project was closed source. If it had turned out to
    be part of the C source, I could have tried to modify it there also.

    then i had a script that tracker helped me on that deletes users based on whatever criteria you you want. that is useful sometimes. right now i leave all that stuff alone and let the bbs run.

    That sounds like it could be useful if one wanted to be able to do so.

    Mike


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:32:17
    On 10 May 22 15:04:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

    Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

    Search by sysop name
    Enter sysop name:
    1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23

    I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:34:08
    On 10 May 22 15:10:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

    I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
    anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

    Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt to win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

    The fact that he took the trouble to do a screenshot, blur it out, upload to a sharing site means "the end" has been reached for any rational discussion.

    It might not even be his user-file...

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:34:47
    On 10 May 22 15:57:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    I bought an Internet Rex license and used it for a short while before I ended up going the Russian-BinkD route and the last FTP connection I had faded off to the sunset. Can't remember exactly when that was but I think it was the early 2000's. I did shamelessly rip off -err- "get inspired" by a few of Irex's features to add them to D'Bridge.

    I am sure your users are glad you did. It gives them a still-supported alternative.

    Yup. Porting all my code to Linux / 64-bit Windows is the current challenge.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:35:18
    On 10 May 22 15:58:00, Dumas Walker said the following to Nick Andre:

    Which service was this? I had the exact same problem a few years ago with Usenetdemon. Just up and reset all the pointers for some inexplicable reason.

    I cannot remember who they farmed it out to now or I would be happy to tell you about it. It may have happened as often as once a month.

    Ahh okay. I paid for an actual subscription to Usenetdemon. It worked flawlessly for years until that one day.

    Nick

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 17:36:34
    if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with payi for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription? you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

    Nick did buy it ... then he donated it to me after he wasn't using it. I was lucky enough to get ahold of the author and gave him Nick's key and he sent me one in my name.

    ... H*ll, if I was sane why would I be here?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:24:17
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 14:42:00|03.

    On 10 May 22 10:51:51, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    sorry like i said i'm not here to educate people. i'm not here to play swo fight with our dicks with you.

    Your many nonsense replies to me suggest otherwise. There is no harm in hitting the Next key if you grow impatient. When you have 20 years of skil you're bound to get frustrated with all the newbies here. We all understan



    wrong again. more than 20 years.


    But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?



    no lamers allowed. gamgee calls my bbses all the time. someday i will put his ip in ip.can


    Anyone can call mine, anyone can install my software, anyone can research all over. Nothing to hide or brag about. You on the other hand make it a p to say you have all this experience and if we don't like it, we suck.


    EWW install your software. you almost made me lose my lunch here.

    Its pretty hard to get flamed on Dovenet unless you *want* to be flamed...



    dont know what you mean about that.

    ... Honk if you've never seen an Uzi fired from a car window.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:26:42
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 16:04:45|03.

    On 10 May 22 14:51:11, Jas Hud said the following to Gamgee:

    hey gamgee
    here's an old backup of my user file.
    it's raw output but easy to read.
    who's this?

    Ahh the screenshots game... Almost as credible as showing off log files.

    How do we know you didn't create an account on your own board as Gamgee/Da

    Nick

    oh man you got me. i made it all up to prove nothing.
    here's another one

    https://i.imgur.com/OrDSDV1.png

    also last time he was on it was 12 mins and he used quikedit.


    but you're right. i dont even know what a bbs is and i just got here this week. you found me out bro.

    ... Our swords shall play the orators for us.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:30:44
    Yup. Porting all my code to Linux / 64-bit Windows is the current challeng
    ^^^^^^^^^

    Don't you DARE say those swear words outloud again!!

    ... It's great to do nothing and rest afterwards.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:33:20
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 16:23:36|03.

    On 10 May 22 14:36:18, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i probably have around 35 years worth of computer skills. update your records.

    Correction noted. Only 35? I was expecting you to conjure up a tale of inventing some worldwide standard we all use which you never got credit fo


    you probably have adopted some of my practices without even knowing it.
    a butterfly effect thing.
    you're certainly benefitted to my existance in the online bbs community for the past 22 years.

    For instance you are using the version of renegade i
    convinced hex luthor to release. patrick trans did screw him over about some hardware so it wasnt that hard.

    I gave my license key to someone else once I wrote my own solution. Accord to my dev-notes that would of been around....... '06 I think.

    https://fido-z1.darkrealms.ca/files/dbridge/history.txt

    Never looked back after that.

    my reg on my main bbs says
    martin nickell
    starfleet command bbs

    no idea where i picked that up

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:36:35
    If you couldn't get ahold of your feed, how'd you get a feed?


    he called me up one time and dude could barely hear. i tried contacting him after that and then just gave up. dude was older than dirt.

    Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

    Search by sysop name


    dipshit you are literally posting from the links i gave you.
    like you discovered something.

    So, like I already said, it shows you listed for about 40 days.


    i shouldnt even have me listed for one day

    That other entry, I don't know about. Is 'Bryan Turner' your butt-buddy and you were a "co-sysop" (which means you're a nothing)? Did you live
    in Garland TX? Doubt it. For some reason you got that dude to include your name on his nodelist entry?

    Now come back and show me some other result from the node search. The above is all there is.

    You're a poser, and a liar.


    you're asking all these questions but you dont really care.

    you're trying to prove something but i dont know what.
    you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

    now either stop your bullshit or i'm going back to ignoring you like i've done all these years.

    damn you take the cake on stupid people.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:38:20
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 15:07:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Same old story with you. Why can't you list these 4 BBSes that are u and running and have been for a long time?

    it's very strange that you are asking questions about something
    you already know about.

    Nope, not strange. Simply asking you to list the "4 BBSes" that you
    run. Why wouldn't you do that, just to prove me wrong?

    The answer is that you do not run any BBSes, and are lying.



    you have been a user on like 2-3 of my bbses.
    the level of stupidity here is astounding.

    i just think you like the attention because you are talking to a bbs legend
    and you're a nobody. that explains why you've been trying to bait me into a flamewar for so many years.

    are you happy now? did you beat your little noodle enough, gamgee?

    ... I need someone really bad. Are you really bad?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:38:48
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 15:10:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Gamgee <=-

    here's an old backup of my user file.
    it's raw output but easy to read.
    who's this?

    told you guys he's a liar about not knowing shit about me or my
    bbses.

    I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
    anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.



    no. lamers. allowed.

    ... Zen Crafters - enlightenment in about an hour.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:41:50
    |03Quoting message from |11Dumas Walker |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 16:02:00|03.

    I once had to change the javascript source to get the news program to do something that IREX did. I did not submit it upstream because I did not
    kn
    how at the time. I also didn't now how to code javascript but was able
    to
    figure it out.

    well i dont know if you can count changing the javascript as modifying
    source.
    is it? i'm sure nick will say the opposite of whatever my opinion is.

    I would look at it this way... it was javascript that controlled one of th features of the system (the newserver) that likely would not have been there to change if the project was closed source. If it had turned out to be part of the C source, I could have tried to modify it there also.


    yeah i edited that one to just filter out certain usenet spammers.

    but now there's filters that work so well in a way i didn't even realize.
    i probably didn't even need to do that and could have blocked the ip and it would have looked for the ip when importing. i had no idea it worked that way. i thought the ip blocking was for when people connected to your servers. it extends to ips listed in newsgroups and emails.

    ... We're entering the Bond-Age, in more ways than one.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:43:36
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 17:36|03.

    if you want to talk about the original conversation, whats wrong with payi for something and having the author drop it. did you buy a subscription? you expect someone to kiss your ass because you paid a few bucks?

    Nick did buy it ... then he donated it to me after he wasn't using it. I lucky enough to get ahold of the author and gave him Nick's key and he sen one in my name.

    are you sure that was the author and just not a dude handling registrations?
    i think that's what was happening with that.
    it's been so long so can't remember.

    i dont want to untar my webs and look.

    ... And then you typed 'G=C800:5', right?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:49:20
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dan Clough
    |03on |1110 May 22 17:32:17|03.

    On 10 May 22 15:04:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

    Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

    Search by sysop name
    Enter sysop name:
    1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23

    I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...


    that one shouldnt even be there.
    then the earlier one isnt even there. maybe there are some lost nodelists.

    i never liked fidonet or the people on fidonet.
    they seem even more pathetic than bbs people.

    in tony's bbses case i just put fidonet on there because he died and i wanted to get it back to how it was. he died of MD and a lot of stuff was falling apart.

    ... We are NOT surrounded. We are in a target-rich environment.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:50:55
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dan Clough
    |03on |1110 May 22 17:34:08|03.

    On 10 May 22 15:10:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

    I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
    anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

    Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

    that just shows how pathetic you are and your moral compass.

    i'd never fake something so stupid as that.

    The fact that he took the trouble to do a screenshot, blur it out, upload sharing site means "the end" has been reached for any rational discussion.

    It might not even be his user-file...

    i blurred it out because other users are in that datafile.

    it's a backup of a user file.

    it's funny that you dont believe it. it's sad and pathetic, but i'm not surprised.

    ... Cease & Desist citizen, or I'll reduce your head to a fine mist.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 18:52:34
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1110 May 22 18:30|03.

    Yup. Porting all my code to Linux / 64-bit Windows is the current challeng
    ^^^^^^^^^

    Don't you DARE say those swear words outloud again!!

    ... It's great to do nothing and rest afterwards.


    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.
    i dont like the gui but that's just me. i've been running linux since 96

    ... Windows NT: An imaginary OS for your imaginary 686 PC.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 19:16:48
    On 10 May 22 18:24:17, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?

    no lamers allowed. gamgee calls my bbses all the time. someday i will put h ip in ip.can

    Lol, IP banning... he can use my VPN or any number of others out there.

    Its pretty hard to get flamed on Dovenet unless you *want* to be flamed...

    dont know what you mean about that.

    Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out of their way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you go.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 19:18:09
    On 10 May 22 18:33:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    For instance you are using the version of renegade i
    convinced hex luthor to release. patrick trans did screw him over about so hardware so it wasnt that hard.

    And I should care about this why....?

    my reg on my main bbs says
    martin nickell
    starfleet command bbs

    no idea where i picked that up

    Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the years.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 19:20:23
    On 10 May 22 18:49:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

    that one shouldnt even be there.
    then the earlier one isnt even there. maybe there are some lost nodelists.

    Lost/bad/weird nodelists happened with my predecessor but not on my watch.

    I politely challenge you to post this in FN-Sysop where there is more of an international audience comprising many fanatical nodelist-police types that study everything. I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

    i never liked fidonet or the people on fidonet.
    they seem even more pathetic than bbs people.

    And yet you did have a node number and...................... you're here.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 19:22:05
    On 10 May 22 18:50:55, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

    that just shows how pathetic you are and your moral compass.

    When one goes out of their way to do screenshots and editing and whatever to prove a point, one has lost the argument.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:12:49
    are you sure that was the author and just not a dude handling registration i think that's what was happening with that.
    it's been so long so can't remember.

    No, it was Charles Cruden ... I had a hell of time tracking him down too ...

    ... Divorce is not an effective deterrent to marriage.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:13:05
    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.

    Hated it in 1995, hate it now.

    ... Secret revealed: Press CONTROL-ALT-DEL for SysOp Access!

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:14:40
    study everything. I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

    HAHAHAH .. How true.

    ... Damn it Jim, I'm an Alzheimer's patient, not a...uh...uh.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 22:46:54
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

    He'd eat it out of your ass if he got a chance,

    -- Sean

    ... Friends may come and go but enemies accumulate.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to T.J. Mcmillen on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 22:50:01
    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    No, it was Charles Cruden ... I had a hell of time tracking him down
    too ...

    Charles and I got into it in IREX years ago when he started regurgitating excuses for not fixing long-known bugs in his software. He simply didn't
    want to deal with his software after he got a job in college but didn't want
    to admit that publicly.

    -- Sean

    ... To think too long about doing a thing often becomes its undoing.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:03:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Here is the result of searching Jason Hud on the nodelist search:

    Search by sysop name
    Enter sysop name:
    1:11/228 Jason Hud from Racine WI 2007.01.12 - 2007.02.23

    I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

    Yeah, for sure. We could ask him..... OH, wait. He doesn't answer
    questions like that. Yeah.


    ... Gone crazy, be back later, please leave message.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:08:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    On 10 May 22 15:10:00, Dan Clough said the following to Jas Hud:

    I have called a lot of random (and now forgotten) BBSes, like most
    anyone has. Possibly I did call yours and have no idea what it was called.

    Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game
    has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt to win whatever stupid arguments. Both these
    things can be faked.

    Yep, and knowing this doofus's history, it wouldn't surprise me.

    The fact that he took the trouble to do a screenshot, blur it
    out, upload to a sharing site means "the end" has been reached
    for any rational discussion.

    Indeed. I'm done with it. It's funny that he claims he "lives
    rent-free in my head", and yet.... he does stuff like that. LOL

    It might not even be his user-file...

    Sure, might have come from one of his "many" contacts in "the scene",
    since he's an important guy, ya know.


    ... He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:19:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Now come back and show me some other result from the node search. The above is all there is.

    You're a poser, and a liar.

    you're asking all these questions but you dont really care.

    you're trying to prove something but i dont know what.

    I *AM* proving that you're a liar and can't back up the stupid claims
    you make. You could EASILY prove me wrong by answering simple questions
    and providing simple information. But, you don't. You can't. You're
    full of shit. You're a nobody.

    damn you take the cake on stupid people.

    Well, since you're stupid, I've certainly taken your cake.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tuesday, May 10, 2022 21:55:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    On 10 May 22 18:33:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    my reg on my main bbs says
    martin nickell
    starfleet command bbs

    no idea where i picked that up

    Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the
    years.

    Figures he'd be using a pirated copy. What a lamer.



    ... What does it mean to pre-board? Do you get on before you get on?
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:27:42
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 19:16:48|03.

    On 10 May 22 18:24:17, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    But you flake out when asked for addresses. Why can't we call your board?

    no lamers allowed. gamgee calls my bbses all the time. someday i will put ip in ip.can

    Lol, IP banning... he can use my VPN or any number of others out there.


    i can always trust on his stupidity. he can't read or comprehend.
    has no memory of thing he does.

    Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out of th way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you


    usually it's just people that are jealous of me. i'm pretty well liked and i've helped people for many many years. I go out of my way to help people technically or with hardware and at times financially.

    you just live under a rock and only know the 4 guys you talk to on fidonet.

    ... Never, ever, ever attempt to learn thermodynamics.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:28:45
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 19:18:09|03.

    On 10 May 22 18:33:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    For instance you are using the version of renegade i
    convinced hex luthor to release. patrick trans did screw him over about s hardware so it wasnt that hard.

    And I should care about this why....?

    my reg on my main bbs says
    martin nickell
    starfleet command bbs

    no idea where i picked that up

    Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the years.


    oh i think reaper had it and it got cloned over some how.
    there's no reason to really even use a pirated key with irex though.


    ... Support your SysOp... Send your paycheck.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:30:52
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 19:20:23|03.

    On 10 May 22 18:49:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    I'm curious how he managed to get an RIN listing...

    that one shouldnt even be there.
    then the earlier one isnt even there. maybe there are some lost nodelists.

    Lost/bad/weird nodelists happened with my predecessor but not on my watch.

    I politely challenge you to post this in FN-Sysop where there is more of a international audience comprising many fanatical nodelist-police types tha study everything. I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.


    well if a guy wrote it down wrong years ago, are we going to call that guy up in the nursing home and grill him? or if he's dead do we contact his family to appease you? that's pretty stupid.

    i never liked fidonet or the people on fidonet.
    they seem even more pathetic than bbs people.

    And yet you did have a node number and...................... you're here.

    Nick

    you said i didnt have a node number.
    which one is it.
    i'm just playing around here. i'd never join fidonet again.
    it's full of boring people and there's only 2 good echos.

    ... Call me Ishmael. I won't ANSWER, but..

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:32:05
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 19:22:05|03.

    On 10 May 22 18:50:55, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Never admit you did, because the screenshot-game and logfile-game has been trotted out in Fido so many times over the years in some desperate attempt win whatever stupid arguments. Both these things can be faked.

    that just shows how pathetic you are and your moral compass.

    When one goes out of their way to do screenshots and editing and whatever prove a point, one has lost the argument.



    it may be hard for YOU, mr windows xp, but took like 1 minute. i use greenshot. with bluring out the other user's data i just selected the area
    and did a blur.

    not hard at all and not going out of my way.

    are you disabled?

    ... Give up, you'll only live till you die.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:33:21
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 21:12|03.


    are you sure that was the author and just not a dude handling registration i think that's what was happening with that.
    it's been so long so can't remember.

    No, it was Charles Cruden ... I had a hell of time tracking him down too .


    okay did he have like 2 registration sites?
    i'd go look it up but i'd get disconnected from your bbs.

    ... Sometimes you're a Kenworth, sometimes you're a possum.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:33:46
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1110 May 22 21:13|03.


    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.

    Hated it in 1995, hate it now.


    it's improved a lot. but i hate any gui on linux.

    ... Billy Bob's Road Kill Cafe - You kill'em, we grill'em.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:35:04
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
    |03on |1110 May 22 22:50:01|03.

    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    No, it was Charles Cruden ... I had a hell of time tracking him down too ...

    Charles and I got into it in IREX years ago when he started regurgitating excuses for not fixing long-known bugs in his software. He simply didn't want to deal with his software after he got a job in college but didn't wa to admit that publicly.



    it could be he lost the source. developers not backing up is commonplace
    with the bbs world.

    it's probably both him not wanting to work on it and not having the source.

    ... No man is free who is not master of himself.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:37:42
    Indeed. I'm done with it. It's funny that he claims he "lives
    rent-free in my head", and yet.... he does stuff like that. LOL

    It might not even be his user-file...

    Sure, might have come from one of his "many" contacts in "the scene", since he's an important guy, ya know.


    you should go to a doctor and take a cognitive test. you've exibited signs of memory loss, mood swings, and lack of a grasp on reality.

    you've even called my bbses but claim to never called them.
    how'd i get your email address? your password? did i make those up too?
    crazy.

    i'm sure your little old penis is getting hard now that i'm replying to you after all these years.

    was it worth it, gamgee?

    ... Those who live by the sword KILL those who don't.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:42:44
    you're trying to prove something but i dont know what.

    I *AM* proving that you're a liar and can't back up the stupid claims
    you make. You could EASILY prove me wrong by answering simple questions and providing simple information. But, you don't. You can't. You're full of shit. You're a nobody.


    i literally addressed all of your claims and provided proof.

    if you can't read or comprehend, i can't help ya gamgee.
    i feel like a guy playing fetch with a dog. i throw the stick out and you keep coming back with the same stick in your mouth.

    so you're like 62 years old, right? maybe you need a brain scan.

    ... I'm dangerous when I know what I'm doing.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:44:23
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1110 May 22 21:55:00|03.

    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    On 10 May 22 18:33:20, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    my reg on my main bbs says
    martin nickell
    starfleet command bbs

    no idea where i picked that up

    Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the
    years.

    Figures he'd be using a pirated copy. What a lamer.

    every bbs thing i've used is cracked except lord and planets.
    sorry grandpa, that's the sysop way.
    and i have hundreds of sysops that downloaded cracks and registered doorgames from my sites.

    i dont know how that key ever got there. probably when i was copying files off another copy i had. i never punched in a key to irex.

    ... Nothing is 100% certain, bug-free, or IBM compatible

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 05:54:04
    okay did he have like 2 registration sites?
    i'd go look it up but i'd get disconnected from your bbs.



    i got disconnected on this call actually. do you have your timeout set to 2 mins?!?!

    ... I'm really imprinted with the quality of this conference.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 06:06:03
    i got disconnected on this call actually. do you have your timeout set to mins?!?!

    ... I'm really imprinted with the quality of this conference.

    4 ... I can't stand having people just idle here for EVER (ie: LUX. <G>) .... I tried it at 20, then people just sat here doing nothing, so I put it back to default of 4. (Maybe it's 3) ....

    ... Sure, money talks. All mine ever says is goodbye.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:11:53
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Tue May 10 2022 18:52:34


    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.
    i dont like the gui but that's just me. i've been running linux since 96

    which GUI? a quick google shows there's at least 49 window managers for linux... or do you mean you don't like GUI at all? even windows?


    )\/(ark
    --- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
    * Origin: SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTAR (1:3634/12)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:13:03
    On 10 May 22 22:46:54, Sean Dennis said the following to Nick Andre:

    I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will guess what I ate.

    He'd eat it out of your ass if he got a chance,

    I'm not into "Dutch ovens"...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:18:44
    On 11 May 22 05:27:42, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out of th way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you

    usually it's just people that are jealous of me. i'm pretty well liked and i've helped people for many many years. I go out of my way to help people technically or with hardware and at times financially.

    In fantasy-land, perhaps...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:20:15
    On 11 May 22 05:28:45, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the years.

    oh i think reaper had it and it got cloned over some how.
    there's no reason to really even use a pirated key with irex though.

    Good, so you'll pay for your key or ditch it entirely then?

    Are you absolutely sure Irex doesn't crash if two identical keys are present in the handshake session?

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:24:30
    On 11 May 22 05:30:52, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    well if a guy wrote it down wrong years ago, are we going to call that guy in the nursing home and grill him? or if he's dead do we contact his family appease you? that's pretty stupid.

    Thats not what I was asking.

    Its somewhat "rare" to get a RIN listing. Doesn't matter if your info was written down wrong. There was a reason you couldn't be listed in the correct net in your region. It doesn't matter now but "wrote down wrong" is the most hilarious excuse I've read all morning.

    Moving goalposts must be great exercise for you.

    And yet you did have a node number and...................... you're here.

    you said i didnt have a node number.

    Under Jas Hud you didn't. Which real name is it? Jas? Jason? Time Warrior?

    i'm just playing around here. i'd never join fidonet again.
    it's full of boring people and there's only 2 good echos.

    This one must be on your list because you just can't help but reply...

    I'll politely offer you a node number if you change your mind, just like I do to every other troll encountered over the years. It would be a great way for you to actually show off your 35 years of skillz.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:26:42
    On 11 May 22 05:32:05, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    When one goes out of their way to do screenshots and editing and whatever prove a point, one has lost the argument.

    it may be hard for YOU, mr windows xp, but took like 1 minute. i use greenshot. with bluring out the other user's data i just selected the area and did a blur.

    If you are polite to people, screenshots are not necessary.

    If you have a sound logical answer to someone's questions, screenshots are
    not necessary.

    If you can take the hint that maybe the other person doesn't care about your screenshots, screenshots are not necessary.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:27:14
    On 11 May 22 05:33:46, Jas Hud said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.

    Hated it in 1995, hate it now.

    it's improved a lot. but i hate any gui on linux.

    You've mentioned this a few times, as if a GUI is forced upon you in Linux.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:47:23
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    it's probably both him not wanting to work on it and not having the source.

    He didn't mention losing the source code. It was a litany of excuses not to fix things.

    These days, BinkD is the way to go but if someone needs FTP, that is easy enough to write a script to do so.

    -- Sean

    ... Blessed are the young for they shall inherit the national debt.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:55:25
    Jas Hud wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

    it's improved a lot. but i hate any gui on linux.

    I use XFCE on my personal desktop and my laptop. No GUI on my servers.

    -- Sean

    ... When you cross Bounty and Viagra, you get The Quicker Pecker Upper.
    --- MultiMail/Linux
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 07:01:58
    Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out of their way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you go.

    What's weird is that he acts totally different and seems to be reasonably well-liked on Discord.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (1:154/70)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Andre Robitaille on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 08:26:33
    On 11 May 22 07:01:58, Andre Robitaille said the following to Nick Andre:

    Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out o their way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you go.

    What's weird is that he acts totally different and seems to be reasonably well-liked on Discord.

    Weird indeed but its happened that for some people, trolling BBS nets is their "thing". Thats their enjoyment.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:22:26
    On 10 May 22 22:50:01, Sean Dennis said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    Charles and I got into it in IREX years ago when he started regurgitating excuses for not fixing long-known bugs in his software. He simply didn't want to deal with his software after he got a job in college but didn't wan to admit that publicly.

    Like I said, I'm not against someone wanting to up and quit and not want to support their stuff anymore. But when its a very popular program that many people paid money for - one would think the right thing to do would be to
    at least release a keygen. Or a thank you letter...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:24:53
    On 11 May 22 07:55:25, Sean Dennis said the following to Jas Hud:

    it's improved a lot. but i hate any gui on linux.

    I use XFCE on my personal desktop and my laptop. No GUI on my servers.

    I didn't mind Mate...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:02:11
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 06:06|03.

    i got disconnected on this call actually. do you have your timeout set to mins?!?!

    ... I'm really imprinted with the quality of this conference.

    4 ... I can't stand having people just idle here for EVER (ie: LUX. <G>) . I tried it at 20, then people just sat here doing nothing, so I put it bac default of 4. (Maybe it's 3) ....


    well i'm a busy guy. i have all these ssh windows open.
    sometimes i have to take a shit.

    i live in a big house. i have to go down 3 floors to get an icecream bar out of my freezer..

    ... Does Microsoft mean "small and limp"?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Mark Lewis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:03:30
    |03Quoting message from |11Mark Lewis |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:11:53|03.

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Tue May 10 2022 18:52:34


    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.
    i dont like the gui but that's just me. i've been running linux since

    which GUI? a quick google shows there's at least 49 window managers for linux... or do you mean you don't like GUI at all? even windows?



    i can tollerate xfce a little. that's what i usually install.
    on linux i prefer the cli. on windows i LOOK at the gui. but i have ssh sessions open, cmd prompt open and other junk.

    ... Nothing like a bribe to get things rolling.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:05:09
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:20:15|03.

    On 11 May 22 05:28:45, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    Thats a common pirated key. I've seen it many times over the years.

    oh i think reaper had it and it got cloned over some how.
    there's no reason to really even use a pirated key with irex though.

    Good, so you'll pay for your key or ditch it entirely then?

    Are you absolutely sure Irex doesn't crash if two identical keys are prese in the handshake session?


    yeah i know it doesn't like that.

    hell no i'm not going to pay for it.
    i pulled all my msg networks except for dovenet.

    it's better to have local msgs and local games.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:13:45
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:24:30|03.

    On 11 May 22 05:30:52, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    well if a guy wrote it down wrong years ago, are we going to call that guy in the nursing home and grill him? or if he's dead do we contact his famil appease you? that's pretty stupid.

    Thats not what I was asking.

    Its somewhat "rare" to get a RIN listing. Doesn't matter if your info was written down wrong. There was a reason you couldn't be listed in the corre net in your region. It doesn't matter now but "wrote down wrong" is the mo hilarious excuse I've read all morning.


    obviously someone made a mistake. and several. that date is even wrong. it should be 2004 or 2005

    Like i said, i had a guy call me up and he was older than dirt.
    he had hearing problems and i asked if he wanted to talk via email and he refused to use email and only wanted to speak on the phone.

    he would also call my up at work in the day time which i told him not to.
    i dont even know how they got the eob.darkteck.org(sic)


    That entry shouldn't be there.

    ... Democracy-A catchword used by Democrats and Republicans

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:14:22
    If you are polite to people, screenshots are not necessary.

    fuck you, little canadian.

    If you have a sound logical answer to someone's questions, screenshots are not necessary.

    i did.

    ... That which can be imagined can also actually be realized.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:14:41
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:27:14|03.

    On 11 May 22 05:33:46, Jas Hud said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    i dont know why you 2 hate linux so much. it's good stuff.

    Hated it in 1995, hate it now.

    it's improved a lot. but i hate any gui on linux.

    You've mentioned this a few times, as if a GUI is forced upon you in Linux



    it's not. and that's why i don't use it.

    ... Mmmmmm! A problem with grammar have I, yes! -- Yoda

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:15:21
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:47:23|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    it's probably both him not wanting to work on it and not having the source.

    He didn't mention losing the source code. It was a litany of excuses not fix things.

    These days, BinkD is the way to go but if someone needs FTP, that is easy enough to write a script to do so.


    ah well, maybe he lost interest. also the bbs community can be very demanding.

    ... That IS a gun in my pocket, and I AM glad to see you.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:15:48
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:55:25|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

    it's improved a lot. but i hate any gui on linux.

    I use XFCE on my personal desktop and my laptop. No GUI on my servers.


    yeah me too. but then i look at it and think 'why am i using this and not windows'

    ... Demons are a Ghouls best Friend.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Andre Robitaille on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:18:09
    |03Quoting message from |11Andre Robitaille |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1111 May 22 07:01:58|03.

    Dovenet is actually not that bad in that one has to purposely go out their way to look for flamage. The common theme is you are disliked wherever you go.

    What's weird is that he acts totally different and seems to be reasonably well-liked on Discord.



    I'm actually a nice person and the best friend anybody can ever have.
    i'm not joking! haha

    it's funny

    seriously i helped people a lot and maybe too much.
    so that made me go off on people that were lazy or refused to read
    the simple docs.

    i did too much and i cared too much. I should have just eased back like i did now but i didn't know how.

    one thing that people have said to me is that i'm the same person in real life as online but it comes out differently.

    ... If you call me insane again, I'll eat your other eye too.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:24:19

    Its somewhat "rare" to get a RIN listing. Doesn't matter if your info was written down wrong. There was a reason you couldn't be listed in the corre net in your region. It doesn't matter now but "wrote down wrong" is the mo hilarious excuse I've read all morning.


    i'm region 11 and i responded to the guy who contacted me.
    we had a few phone calls and nothing came of it except this invalid entry.

    what would have been the correct net in my region?

    ... Always be smarter than the people who hire you.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:09:28
    On 11 May 22 09:14:22, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    If you are polite to people, screenshots are not necessary.

    fuck you, little canadian.

    I win.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:13:12
    On 11 May 22 09:24:19, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i'm region 11 and i responded to the guy who contacted me.
    we had a few phone calls and nothing came of it except this invalid entry.

    what would have been the correct net in my region?

    Since I don't know where you live, it would of been whatever Net is the most geographically appropriate.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 09:32:50
    I'm actually a nice person and the best friend anybody can ever have.
    i'm not joking! haha

    one thing that people have said to me is that i'm the same person in real life as online but it comes out differently.


    Well hopefully we'll get to meet up for lunch or something at some point.


    - Andre
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Radio Mentor BBS - bbs.radiomentor.org (1:154/70)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:45:59
    |03Quoting message from |11Jas Hud |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1111 May 22 09:24|03.


    Its somewhat "rare" to get a RIN listing. Doesn't matter if your info was written down wrong. There was a reason you couldn't be listed in the corre net in your region. It doesn't matter now but "wrote down wrong" is the mo hilarious excuse I've read all morning.


    i'm region 11 and i responded to the guy who contacted me.
    we had a few phone calls and nothing came of it except this invalid entry.

    what would have been the correct net in my region?

    oh, one thing i remember is i was talking to janus and i said i might be interested in getting on fidonet. she said she'd have someone in my region call me.

    that's how i got the call from mr magoo.

    ... The living world is a continuum in each and every aspect.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:47:32
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Sean Dennis
    |03on |1111 May 22 09:22:26|03.

    On 10 May 22 22:50:01, Sean Dennis said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    Charles and I got into it in IREX years ago when he started regurgitating excuses for not fixing long-known bugs in his software. He simply didn't want to deal with his software after he got a job in college but didn't wa to admit that publicly.

    Like I said, I'm not against someone wanting to up and quit and not want t support their stuff anymore. But when its a very popular program that many people paid money for - one would think the right thing to do would be to at least release a keygen. Or a thank you letter...


    yeah people are weird. there were heartless people who were just in it for the money. they dont see those years as good times of our youth.

    i think wayne bell was one of those guys. atleast in the bbs doc he didn't
    have much to say and seemed like he didnt care. i should see if he has the extended interview on there.

    ... Isn't that our pilot over there, kissing the ground?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:47:49
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 10:09:28|03.

    On 11 May 22 09:14:22, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    If you are polite to people, screenshots are not necessary.

    fuck you, little canadian.

    I win.


    YA WEE MAN!

    ... Ways to skin a cat: #27 --- Use a belt sander.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:48:10
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 10:13:12|03.

    On 11 May 22 09:24:19, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i'm region 11 and i responded to the guy who contacted me.
    we had a few phone calls and nothing came of it except this invalid entry.

    what would have been the correct net in my region?

    Since I don't know where you live, it would of been whatever Net is the mo geographically appropriate.


    i was in racine,wi

    ... I said Vulcan MIND meld, not MIME meld. Sorry, Marcel....

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:23:29
    i think wayne bell was one of those guys. atleast in the bbs doc he didn't have much to say and seemed like he didnt care. i should see if he has the extended interview on there.

    Wayne never struck me back then of being in it for the money. I think he didn't want people stealing his $50. By the time the interview happened, I suspect he was just past the WWIV point of his life.


    - Andre
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 11:28:14
    On 11 May 22 10:48:10, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    what would have been the correct net in my region?

    Since I don't know where you live, it would of been whatever Net is the mo geographically appropriate.

    i was in racine,wi

    Net 154.

    Nick

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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to Shawn Highfield on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:23:16
    Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Shawn Highfield to Juan Gonzalez on Wed May 04 2022 09:32 am

    My setup is telnet://tinysbbs.com:4323 or ssh://tinysbbs.com:4322

    Thanks for this. I will definitely be sure to check it out! Talisman BBS is not a system with which I have yet become acquainted!
    _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-
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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to Daniel Path on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:24:57
    Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Daniel Path to Juan Gonzalez on Fri May 06 2022 08:16 pm

    check out 2o fOr beeRS @ 20forbeers.com:1337
    it's a Mystic board.

    Definitely love 20forbeers. It's an incredibly unique and artistic scene! Thanks for the suggestion!
    _____
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  • From Juan Gonzalez@1:103/705 to Robert Wolfe on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 10:25:46
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Robert Wolfe to Juan Gonzalez on Sun May 08 2022 07:02 am

    Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

    OMG, Wildcat! Now there's a name that I haven't come across in decades. Does it still deliver native app / RIP graphics, like Excalibur BBS used to?
    _____
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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 15:29:09
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to Richard Falken on Tue May 10 2022 07:31 am

    if you're runing *nix you need to compile it.

    i think these guys here were talking about actually modifying the source. they're saying that synchronet is so configurable that it's not necessary. people still edit the source and have their own little versions.

    probably the one thing people weren't happy about was the file areas and how they handled LFN and listings. there were a few guys playing around with th and maybe some of their ideas or modifications made into the latest release.

    there are some things that are hard coded that i can see people wanting to change. for example some of the color settings are in attr.cfg. that's just little text file that handles SOME of the colors:
    i think it's obvious to most people that these values belong in the text.dat if i was enthusiastic enough about bbsing and we had some users, i'd probabl make this change for my own system. BUT..... if there was another release i'd just be screwed and have to work around their next changes.
    it would be better to get them to accept the changes and then submit it.


    The beauty of open source is that you don't need upstream to cooperate. It is so, so much better if they cooperate, but for most hobby programs, you can just put your fork on some sort of vercion control system that allows merging changes from upstream in an automated way. Not ideal, but serviceable for hobby projects.

    I have posted this elsewhere, but my opinion is that using open source programs is the natural path for BBSing, since BBSing is a hobby, and hobbyism is all about tweaking and looking under the hood of things. Even if you don't make many changes, it is cool to try to figure out how things work.

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 13:33:35
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to Nick Andre on Wed May 11 2022 10:47 am

    i think wayne bell was one of those guys. atleast in the bbs doc he didn't have much to say and seemed like he didnt care. i should see if he has the extended interview on there.

    https://archive.org/details/20020801-bbs-bell
    --
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  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 15:37:55
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Richard Falken on Tue May 10 2022 08:41 am

    On 10 May 22 05:17:09, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

    From the top of my head: you want the source code if you want to run the software on a
    POSIX compliant Operating System for which the original developer does n care to
    release a binary package.

    Did Rob give specific reasons as to why he wouldn't?

    Nick

    I don't know if so.

    But let's get real, even if you want to make a binary release for Linux, you can't really make a universal one. There are distributions using non-widespread C libraries (ie. they don't use GLIBC) and people is running Linux on so many platforms beyond your regular x86 and X86_64 machines. Even if you released an AppImage launcher, you would only get coverage for the popular Linux variants (which, admitedly, would be like 90% of home users).

    Then you find out users wanting to run your software on niche Operating Systems such as FreeBSD or OpenBSD or Minix or Illumos or whatever have you. It is not reasonable to ask the upstream developer to make a binary package for all of these, and since BBSing is a hobby for software tinkerers, you are guaranteed that somebody will want to run your BBS suite on some weird platform just to see what happens. If the suite is open sourced you can let them have their
    fun, fix and break things, without you having to do any extra work.


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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Andre Robitaille on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 17:06:21
    |03Quoting message from |11Andre Robitaille |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 09:32:50|03.

    I'm actually a nice person and the best friend anybody can ever have. i'm not joking! haha

    one thing that people have said to me is that i'm the same person in life as online but it comes out differently.


    Well hopefully we'll get to meet up for lunch or something at some point.


    ah yes, you're in milwaukee too, right.

    it's not likely i'll be meeting people for lunch. i'm working 2 jobs right now.

    trying to fight the build back better and also paying off credit cards .

    ... Reward for a job well done: more work

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 16:41:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I use XFCE on my personal desktop and my laptop. No GUI on my servers.

    yeah me too. but then i look at it and think 'why am i using this
    and not windows'

    That's because you're stupid.


    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 16:43:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    If you are polite to people, screenshots are not necessary.

    fuck you, little canadian.

    I win.

    Yeah, but look who you're playing against.

    Only half credit.



    ... If it weren't for Edison we'd be using computers by candlelight
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 19:49:09
    Hello Nick,

    11 May 22 07:13, you wrote to me:

    I'm not into "Dutch ovens"...

    I just spit my drink out all over my monitor...

    -- Sean

    ... Monday is a hard way to spend one-seventh of your life.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 19:49:51
    Hello Nick,

    11 May 22 07:24, you wrote to Jas Hud:

    Its somewhat "rare" to get a RIN listing. Doesn't matter if your info
    was written down wrong. There was a reason you couldn't be listed in
    the correct net in your region. It doesn't matter now but "wrote down wrong" is the most hilarious excuse I've read all morning.

    For me, where I lived in Illinois, Georgia, and now here in East Tennessee, there was/is no local net so I was allowed to be a RIN. If another BBS ever pops up locally, I'll set up a net.

    Jack Phlash lives very close to me but he is arrogant enough to consider me not worth talking to. From what I can tell, I'm not missing much.

    -- Sean

    ... Parallel lines have so much in common.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 19:52:20
    Hello Nick,

    11 May 22 09:22, you wrote to me:

    Like I said, I'm not against someone wanting to up and quit and not
    want to support their stuff anymore. But when its a very popular
    program that many people paid money for - one would think the right
    thing to do would be to at least release a keygen. Or a thank you letter...

    I agree with you.

    -- Sean

    ... Laugh and the world laughs with you...fart and you stand alone.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 19:52:54
    Hello Jas,

    11 May 22 09:14, you wrote to Nick Andre:

    fuck you, little canadian.

    Easy there.

    -- Sean

    ... "If you want to make enemies, try to change something." - Woodrow Wilson --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 20:43:29
    Jack Phlash lives very close to me but he is arrogant enough to consider m not worth talking to. From what I can tell, I'm not missing much.

    Hey .. you don't have any of those pk-rad k00lz ansiz that scroll for 600 lines for 15 different logon screens to be worth talking to. I never got the ansi scene, and still don't. Yeah, some of the pics are cool ... but once you go past 25 lines, it's NOT worth looking at. I thank the Lord that the space bar STOPS them mid scroll.

    ... The Strange are strange but to men, but familiar to God.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 21:30:42
    On 11 May 22 16:43:00, Dan Clough said the following to Nick Andre:

    I win.

    Yeah, but look who you're playing against.

    Only half credit.

    I have a bit of a personal rule here that if someone is compelled to try to shove their case down my throat by sharing a screenshot, log file or URL - especially if its passing off Wikipedia as "fact"... that person has lost.

    Only two or three people in 20 years felt the need to resort to that with
    me and all of them quietly vanished off to the sunset months later. All of them mostly trolls in Othernets as well.

    Oh well... it was getting boring anyway... EOT.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 20:59:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    > NA> I win.

    DC> Yeah, but look who you're playing against.
    DC> Only half credit.

    I have a bit of a personal rule here that if someone is compelled
    to try to shove their case down my throat by sharing a
    screenshot, log file or URL - especially if its passing off
    Wikipedia as "fact"... that person has lost.

    Sounds right. Sorta your own variation on Godwin's Law. :-)

    Only two or three people in 20 years felt the need to resort to
    that with me and all of them quietly vanished off to the sunset
    months later. All of them mostly trolls in Othernets as well.

    Hopefully the same outcome happens with this one.

    Oh well... it was getting boring anyway... EOT.

    ACK.



    ... Honk if you've never seen an Uzi fired from a car window.
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 21:05:00
    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Jack Phlash lives very close to me but he is arrogant enough to consider m not worth talking to. From what I can tell, I'm not missing much.

    Hey .. you don't have any of those pk-rad k00lz ansiz that scroll
    for 600 lines for 15 different logon screens to be worth talking
    to. I never got the ansi scene, and still don't. Yeah, some of
    the pics are cool ... but once you go past 25 lines, it's NOT
    worth looking at. I thank the Lord that the space bar STOPS them
    mid scroll.

    Agree completely.

    That may be one of the best summaries about "Synchronet vs Mystic",
    which is the subject line of this thread... ;-)


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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Richard Falken on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 23:52:43

    The beauty of open source is that you don't need upstream to cooperate. It so, so much better if they cooperate, but for most hobby programs, you can put your fork on some sort of vercion control system that allows merging changes from upstream in an automated way. Not ideal, but serviceable for projects.

    I have posted this elsewhere, but my opinion is that using open source pro is the natural path for BBSing, since BBSing is a hobby, and hobbyism is a about tweaking and looking under the hood of things. Even if you don't mak many changes, it is cool to try to figure out how things work.


    bbsing has always been strange. we have never been in this together which has been our downfall.

    i totally agree with you. i think everything in the bbs world would benefit
    if it was open source. I've seen more good than bad over the years when software has been released and worked on by various contributers.

    ... I like to leave messages *before* the beep.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Rob Swindell on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 23:54:36
    |03Quoting message from |11Rob Swindell |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 13:33:35|03.

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to Nick Andre on Wed May 11 2022 10:47 am

    i think wayne bell was one of those guys. atleast in the bbs doc he didn't have much to say and seemed like he didnt care. i should see if he has the extended interview on there.

    https://archive.org/details/20020801-bbs-bell


    oh yeah, i think he was one of the first extended interviews.

    ... Every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 23:55:31
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1111 May 22 16:41:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I use XFCE on my personal desktop and my laptop. No GUI on my server

    yeah me too. but then i look at it and think 'why am i using this
    and not windows'

    That's because you're stupid.


    no, you have that backwards, gamgee.

    ... Tell me, have you ever woken up and realized you were doomed?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 23:59:52
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1111 May 22 19:49:51|03.

    Hello Nick,

    11 May 22 07:24, you wrote to Jas Hud:

    Its somewhat "rare" to get a RIN listing. Doesn't matter if your info was written down wrong. There was a reason you couldn't be listed in the correct net in your region. It doesn't matter now but "wrote down wrong" is the most hilarious excuse I've read all morning.

    For me, where I lived in Illinois, Georgia, and now here in East Tennessee there was/is no local net so I was allowed to be a RIN. If another BBS ev pops up locally, I'll set up a net.

    Jack Phlash lives very close to me but he is arrogant enough to consider m not worth talking to. From what I can tell, I'm not missing much.


    jay is a weird guy. i used to consider him a friend but I've seen him just be weird towards people just in regards to them not having a status in the weird scene he thinks he's in. like you're not cool because you dont have 10 300 line ansis that you cant abort in your login. you're not worth talking to or associating with. and some of the people he associates with are like that too.

    he is also overly concerned with 'face'.

    i'll associate with anybody as long as they're nice and have humility.

    i told gamgee i wouldn't be his best friend despite his constant begging and he's hated me ever since. good thing i will outlive him because he'd probably dig up my body and do something strange to it.

    ... Mars Needs Bovines

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Thursday, May 12, 2022 00:02:08
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1111 May 22 19:52:20|03.

    Hello Nick,

    11 May 22 09:22, you wrote to me:

    Like I said, I'm not against someone wanting to up and quit and not want to support their stuff anymore. But when its a very popular program that many people paid money for - one would think the right thing to do would be to at least release a keygen. Or a thank you letter...

    I agree with you.


    also quitting stuff is good.
    especially when it's stressful and not fruitful. i enjoyed taking down my sites. i felt obligated to people and then it was gone. i still host for people that i made deals with, but i'm fine with that.

    one funny thing is a guy made a site about me when i shut down my sites and god damn i wish i still had that url. it was a real hoot.

    if you shut down your stuff it's good to put yourself in the people's shoes and square everything away.

    ... What does this red button do?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Richard Falken@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 07:25:39
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Dan Clough on Wed May 11 2022 09:30 pm

    I have a bit of a personal rule here that if someone is compelled to try to shove their case down my throat by sharing a screenshot, log file or URL - especially if its passing off Wikipedi
    as "fact"... that person has lost.


    Dunno... so often you see somebody make a case, and next thing you know somebody else challenges the first person to back their case with facts. If the case is controversial in the slightest,
    just the OP's word won't get accepted. Quite often, his world will be ridiculed straight away. At that point the OP needs to start sharing links or something or he won't be taken seriously.

    Wikipedia is not a primary information source, but quite often you can use it to back your claims because Wikipedia itself is backed by primary sources - however, at that point you are better
    off tracking whatever sources Wikipedia is using and linking against them if need be.

    --
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:17:14
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Sean Dennis
    |03on |1111 May 22 20:43|03.

    Jack Phlash lives very close to me but he is arrogant enough to consider m not worth talking to. From what I can tell, I'm not missing much.

    Hey .. you don't have any of those pk-rad k00lz ansiz that scroll for 600 lines for 15 different logon screens to be worth talking to. I never got ansi scene, and still don't. Yeah, some of the pics are cool ... but once go past 25 lines, it's NOT worth looking at. I thank the Lord that the sp bar STOPS them mid scroll.



    i've been on some of them lately because i'm up nights.
    some of the bbses DISABLE the freaking abort!

    what the hell.

    another thing is some of these ansis guys were mad at me for some reason.
    i wasn't sure why but then i see they had some ansis for me in ansi packs.
    one of them i knew about and he got mad because i took out a line because it was over 25 lines long. he got real mad about that.

    the other one i didnt even know about and it's some weird ugly orc. that guy i'm sure was mad because he made it for me and i didn't use it. sorry i dont follow those ansi packs. I have 2 jobs most of the time and i couldn't care less about that stuff now.

    ... Features should be discovered, not documented

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:19:07
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Dan Clough
    |03on |1111 May 22 21:30:42|03.

    On 11 May 22 16:43:00, Dan Clough said the following to Nick Andre:

    I win.

    Yeah, but look who you're playing against.

    Only half credit.

    I have a bit of a personal rule here that if someone is compelled to try t shove their case down my throat by sharing a screenshot, log file or URL - especially if its passing off Wikipedia as "fact"... that person has lost.


    well the screenshot is factual proof.

    other wise i'm saying UH HUH! and you're saying NAH UH!

    either way, i'm not out to earn your trust or acceptance.
    i was just showing gamgee what a liar he is. he's huge liar and always has been. he is a big troll who wants attention.

    dude has been on my bbses many times. he has tried to flame ME while on my bbses and posting. then claims i've never been around and i have no bbses.

    he's ridiculious.

    ... When all else fails, do something else.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to All on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:20:30
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1111 May 22 20:59:00|03.

    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    > NA> I win.

    DC> Yeah, but look who you're playing against.
    DC> Only half credit.

    I have a bit of a personal rule here that if someone is compelled
    to try to shove their case down my throat by sharing a
    screenshot, log file or URL - especially if its passing off
    Wikipedia as "fact"... that person has lost.

    Sounds right. Sorta your own variation on Godwin's Law. :-)

    Only two or three people in 20 years felt the need to resort to
    that with me and all of them quietly vanished off to the sunset
    months later. All of them mostly trolls in Othernets as well.

    Hopefully the same outcome happens with this one.

    Oh well... it was getting boring anyway... EOT.



    anybody else accepts visual evidence. i don know if nick thinks he's a mindreader and find out that way. there's nothing better than factual evidence.

    if someone can't accept the facts, that's their own fault.

    ... Professor: a textbook wired for sound.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Thursday, May 12, 2022 08:21:33
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
    |03on |1111 May 22 21:05:00|03.

    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Jack Phlash lives very close to me but he is arrogant enough to consi not worth talking to. From what I can tell, I'm not missing much.

    Hey .. you don't have any of those pk-rad k00lz ansiz that scroll
    for 600 lines for 15 different logon screens to be worth talking
    to. I never got the ansi scene, and still don't. Yeah, some of
    the pics are cool ... but once you go past 25 lines, it's NOT
    worth looking at. I thank the Lord that the space bar STOPS them
    mid scroll.

    Agree completely.

    That may be one of the best summaries about "Synchronet vs Mystic",
    which is the subject line of this thread... ;-)



    whats sad is the mystic community has become what they hated.
    they hated the stock synchronet boards and went to mystic to have something different. now it's flipped around and there's as much or MORE stock mystic bbses as there are synchronet.

    ... Cease & Desist citizen, or I'll reduce your head to a fine mist.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 06:42:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    i heard talk of y2k cobol armageddon but then i was unsure if that ever came into fruition. my friends in IT never brought it up. i know on
    the news they mentioned hiring cobol programmers for short contracts. i
    am not sure how that panned out.

    It didn't, because IT departments spent billions updating code, in
    many cases bringing people out of retirement for a nice consulting
    fee.

    I was lucky; I worked in telecom, and most telecom hardware had been
    updated when they updated to the North American Numbering Plan.

    When area codes were first implemented, they had a 0 or a 1 as the
    middle digit as part of the logic for the phone company's systems to
    determine if a call was local or long distance. As telephone usage
    grew, they began to run out of usable area codes when trying to
    overlay a code over a busy area, and had to change all sorts of code
    to support this in the early 1990s.

    By the time Y2K cam around, we were all set.

    More phone trivia, area codes were designed so that the most populous
    areas had the lowest numbers, because they were dialed on a rotary
    phone and would be dialed more often. Compare New York (212), Los
    Angeles (213), Hawaii (808) and Alaska (907).





    Some people don't change. I've seen people that worked swing shifts
    swapping tapes, printing out reports and running through maintenance
    checklists, right up until they unplugged the last AS/400 and laid
    them off. Didn't know what hit them.



    man i miss as400. i could do so much with it. we switched to jdedwards
    at my job and had a rough time in transition.

    Companies just have stupid people that dont take accountability. they
    let things fall apart. some people wouldn't even pull the fire alarm
    if the place was on fire.

    ... Carefull, we might be landing on your street

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    ... Is it finished?
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Nick Andre on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 11:01:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Jas Hud <=-

    I politely challenge you to post this in FN-Sysop where there is more
    of an international audience comprising many fanatical nodelist-police types that study everything. I can fart and Wilfred van Velzen will
    guess what I ate.

    Ok, that got a good laugh.




    ... SURELY NOT EVERYONE WAS KUNG FU FIGHTING
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 12, 2022 09:33:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    also quitting stuff is good.
    especially when it's stressful and not fruitful. i enjoyed
    taking down my sites. i felt obligated to people and then it was
    gone.

    And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So you
    do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them
    down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

    MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

    Case closed.


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Richard Falken on Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:35:44
    On 12 May 22 07:25:39, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

    Dunno... so often you see somebody make a case, and next thing you know somebody else challenges the first person to back their case with facts. If the case is controversial in the slightest,
    just the OP's word won't get accepted. Quite often, his world will be ridiculed straight away. At that point the OP needs to start sharing links

    Most of the time the ones who brag or insult others tend to be the ones
    sharing links. Its rare that I ever do so and its usually links to my stuff.

    A more simple take is, I login to my board to enjoy my board. All 80x25 of it in an MS-DOS session. I'm not launching a browser to continue some silly text based argument.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:52:21
    On 12 May 22 08:19:07, Jas Hud said the following to Nick Andre:

    i was just showing gamgee what a liar he is. he's huge liar and always has been. he is a big troll who wants attention.

    Yeah but who really cares about screenshots. Who cares if he is or isn't.
    This isn't Reddit. You say in one message you don't care, but do in another. Did anyone else agree or rally against him with this magical evidence?

    If he's flaming you on your board, what difference does it make to us - we're not worthy of being allowed access so we can read the messages ourselves.

    I really don't see him trolling anywhere. On the other hand you have $ The Millionaire $ with random non-sequitor questions almost every week, and once musing over how many replies he received to one of them - THAT is a person who loves the attention. Maybe not trolling as I think theres something mentally wrong with him... or he really can afford a good drug habit.

    You do the unoriginal lowercase combative routine like its '93 on a 133t-board all over again which is fine but you're an amateur compared to Mark Lewis.

    Nick

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 12, 2022 16:37:25
    i've been on some of them lately because i'm up nights.
    some of the bbses DISABLE the freaking abort!

    Tell me about it .... I like Danger Bay BBS ... but I HATE all of his ansis ... I just hit ALT-H on logoff ... I don't want to wait 3 minutes for your ansi animations to finish so I can logoff.

    ... SPAM - Squirrels, Possum, And Mice.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to NICK ANDRE on Thursday, May 12, 2022 16:45:00
    I have a bit of a personal rule here that if someone is compelled to try to shove their case down my throat by sharing a screenshot, log file or URL - especially if its passing off Wikipedia as "fact"... that person has lost.

    I remember you pointed that rule out to me once when someone did it to me, but...

    Only two or three people in 20 years felt the need to resort to that with
    me and all of them quietly vanished off to the sunset months later. All of them mostly trolls in Othernets as well.

    ... unfortunately he does not quitely vanish for long. :)

    Mike

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, May 12, 2022 18:44:02
    More phone trivia, area codes were designed so that the most populous
    areas had the lowest numbers, because they were dialed on a rotary
    phone and would be dialed more often. Compare New York (212), Los
    Angeles (213), Hawaii (808) and Alaska (907).

    That's interesting to know.

    ... You're twisted, perverted and sick. I like that.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Thursday, May 12, 2022 18:45:13
    And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So you
    do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them
    down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

    MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

    eob-bbs.com port 23.


    He has 3 boards run from that address. His, Graveyard BBS, and Datastream.

    ... Never send a monster to do the work of an evil scientist.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to T.J. Mcmillen on Thursday, May 12, 2022 20:06:00
    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Dan Clough <=-


    And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So you
    do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them
    down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

    MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

    eob-bbs.com port 23.

    Yeah...... when you connect to that, the prompt is: "Sysop password: "
    which is not real useful.

    He has 3 boards run from that address. His, Graveyard BBS, and Datastream.

    If you say so. Not reachable though.



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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Thursday, May 12, 2022 22:00:14
    eob-bbs.com port 23.

    Yeah...... when you connect to that, the prompt is: "Sysop password: " which is not real useful.


    HAHA ... That's funny, I was just on there yesterday and uploaded my new renegade release. Just tried now ... and you're right, it does say that.

    ... Screw the company, those first 20 minutes belong to you.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Nick Andre on Saturday, May 14, 2022 09:44:05
    To: Nick Andre
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Nick Andre to Jas Hud on Thu May 12 2022 11:52 am


    i was just showing gamgee what a liar he is. he's huge liar and always has been. he is a big troll who wants attention.

    Yeah but who really cares about screenshots. Who cares if he is or isn't. This isn't Reddit. You say in one message you don't care, but do in another.

    you asked me for proof and i provided it.
    then you stated your bullshit rule that only you on the entire planet follow.

    you know...you could just shut up instead. :D

    If he's flaming you on your board, what difference does it make to us - we're not worthy of being allowed access so we can read the messages

    that's not what's happening. you are making stuff up.

    I really don't see him trolling anywhere. On the other hand you have $ The Millionaire $ with random non-sequitor questions almost every week, and once

    i already explained.

    You do the unoriginal lowercase combative routine like its '93 on a 133t-board all over again which is fine but you're an amateur compared to Mark Lewis.

    you just have poor reading comprehension.
    sorry for not capitalizing! did i break another of your rules?
    lame little man.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Saturday, May 14, 2022 09:45:58
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Thu May 12 2022 04:37 pm

    i've been on some of them lately because i'm up nights.
    some of the bbses DISABLE the freaking abort!

    Tell me about it .... I like Danger Bay BBS ... but I HATE all of his ansis ... I just hit ALT-H on logoff ... I don't want to wait 3 minutes for your ansi animations to finish so I can logoff.

    there was another bbs i was on that had the tons of scrollers. and then it froze up on some inter-bbs bbs nodelist (why would i want to know who was on other bbses?). i had to hang up and call again.

    so i did the 'quick' login. then i got a facefull of ansi scrollers again.
    i just told him about the freezeup issue and disconnected.
    i got no email back so he probably doesn't even call his own bbs to see how annoying it is.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dumas Walker on Saturday, May 14, 2022 09:47:18
    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Dumas Walker to NICK ANDRE on Thu May 12 2022 04:45 pm

    I remember you pointed that rule out to me once when someone did it to me, but...

    and we all know i follow other people's made up rules :D

    Only two or three people in 20 years felt the need to resort to that with me and all of them quietly vanished off to the sunset months later. All of them mostly trolls in Othernets as well.

    I outlast everyone. one way or another.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Richard Falken on Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:41:06
    the case is controversial in the slightest,
    just the OP's word won't get accepted. Quite often, his world will be ridiculed straight away. At that point the OP needs to start sharing links something or he won't be taken seriously.

    Wikipedia is not a primary information source, but quite often you can use to back your claims because Wikipedia itself is backed by primary sources however, at that point you are better
    off tracking whatever sources Wikipedia is using and linking against them need be.


    yeah but anybody can edit wikipedia. you can also add bullshit sources
    that nobody can verify or look up.

    ... No, I'm not an elitist. Why do you ask, peasant?

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:44:02
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1112 May 22 09:33:00|03.

    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    also quitting stuff is good.
    especially when it's stressful and not fruitful. i enjoyed
    taking down my sites. i felt obligated to people and then it was gone.

    And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So you
    do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them
    down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

    MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

    Case closed.

    i was talking about my sites.

    i still run my own 4 bbses and i run lux's bbs on my server and dept47.
    I help out with lux and dept47 sometime.

    and you've called atleast 2 of my bbses and made accounts.

    ... Screw the company, those first 20 minutes belong to you.

    --- Renegade v1.30/DOS
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Nick Andre on Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:44:48
    |03Quoting message from |11Nick Andre |03to |11Richard Falken
    |03on |1112 May 22 11:35:44|03.

    On 12 May 22 07:25:39, Richard Falken said the following to Nick Andre:

    Dunno... so often you see somebody make a case, and next thing you know somebody else challenges the first person to back their case with facts. I the case is controversial in the slightest,
    just the OP's word won't get accepted. Quite often, his world will be ridiculed straight away. At that point the OP needs to start sharing links

    Most of the time the ones who brag or insult others tend to be the ones sharing links. Its rare that I ever do so and its usually links to my stuf

    A more simple take is, I login to my board to enjoy my board. All 80x25 of in an MS-DOS session. I'm not launching a browser to continue some silly t based argument.

    your hardware is so old it would probably crash if you launched a browser

    ... The most interesting results happen only once.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:47:10
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Dan Clough
    |03on |1112 May 22 18:45|03.


    And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So you
    do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them
    down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

    MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

    eob-bbs.com port 23.


    He has 3 boards run from that address. His, Graveyard BBS, and Datastream

    now you ruined the fucking fun.

    they dont run from that address.

    they telegate out to their real addressed.
    AND i run 4 bbses.

    what a party pooper.
    very disapointed in you.

    ... Tradition: The art of making the same mistake over and over.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Dan Clough on Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:47:50
    |03Quoting message from |11Dan Clough |03to |11T.J. Mcmillen
    |03on |1112 May 22 20:06:00|03.

    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Dan Clough <=-


    And there's the answer that you just wouldn't give when asked. So yo do *NOT* run "4 BBSes" as you have been claiming. You've shut them down. You're not a Sysop. Just as I have been saying.

    MRO's (Jason Hud) lying status = confirmed.

    eob-bbs.com port 23.

    Yeah...... when you connect to that, the prompt is: "Sysop password: " which is not real useful.


    hahahah

    If you say so. Not reachable though.


    no lamers allowed

    ... If you're trying to drive me crazy, you're too late.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to T.J. Mcmillen on Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:51:41
    |03Quoting message from |11T.J. Mcmillen |03to |11Dan Clough
    |03on |1112 May 22 22:00|03.


    eob-bbs.com port 23.

    Yeah...... when you connect to that, the prompt is: "Sysop password: " which is not real useful.


    HAHA ... That's funny, I was just on there yesterday and uploaded my new renegade release. Just tried now ... and you're right, it does say that.



    just use the system password
    works for me

    ... I Almost Saw Elvis - Then My Shovel Broke...

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:46:17
    i just told him about the freezeup issue and disconnected.
    i got no email back so he probably doesn't even call his own bbs to see ho annoying it is.

    I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

    ... Can you hold this grenade a second, I dropped the pin...

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:47:23
    what a party pooper.
    very disapointed in you.

    I was defending the honor of the RG board that is in your list. :)

    ... My opinions are not those of my employer

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Saturday, May 14, 2022 17:08:17
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Sat May 14 2022 12:47 pm


    what a party pooper.
    very disapointed in you.

    I was defending the honor of the RG board that is in your list. :)

    ... My opinions are not those of my employer

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    converting to telegard!
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to T.J. Mcmillen on Friday, May 13, 2022 07:21:00
    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    More phone trivia, area codes were designed so that the most populous
    areas had the lowest numbers, because they were dialed on a rotary
    phone and would be dialed more often. Compare New York (212), Los
    Angeles (213), Hawaii (808) and Alaska (907).

    That's interesting to know.

    I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular
    basis. No voicemail. No redial.

    Growing up, we had one desk phone in the family room and one wall
    phone in the kitchen. The kitchen phone was yellow to match the decor.

    Welcome to the 1970s.





    ... Change nothing and continue consistently
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:24:08
    Hello Kurt,

    13 May 22 07:21, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone Store looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

    -- Sean

    ... Recursive, adj.; see Recursive
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Sean Dennis on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:58:03
    On 15 May 22 08:24:08, Sean Dennis said the following to Kurt Weiske:

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone Sto looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

    Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the station wagon.

    Nick

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:58:00
    I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

    Some BBS software, like Magicka, has a setting where the sysop can supress sysop logins in the callers lists.

    Mike


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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Sunday, May 15, 2022 09:12:00
    I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular
    basis. No voicemail. No redial.

    All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and
    then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before
    you typed the next one.

    My first modem line was also pulse.


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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, May 15, 2022 07:46:04
    To: Kurt Weiske
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Kurt Weiske to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri May 13 2022 07:21 am

    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    More phone trivia, area codes were designed so that the most populous
    areas had the lowest numbers, because they were dialed on a rotary
    phone and would be dialed more often. Compare New York (212), Los
    Angeles (213), Hawaii (808) and Alaska (907).

    That's interesting to know.

    I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular
    basis. No voicemail. No redial.

    Growing up, we had one desk phone in the family room and one wall
    phone in the kitchen. The kitchen phone was yellow to match the decor.

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    my grandmother still had an old green at&t phone she RENTED from the phone company. these blood suckers were still charging her money every month for this piece of shit rotary phone. this was until 1994. my grandfather was a gadget freak so he had speakerphone before everyone else and wireless phones. they just grew attached to that big hunk of green and yellow plastic.

    dialing one of those sucked. if you made a mistake you'd have to go back to cranking away
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  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, May 15, 2022 09:26:12
    All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before you typed the next one.

    That was a setting on the phone, tone or pulse. Tone dialing was an additional monthly fee from the phone company.


    - Andre
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:52:00
    Kurt Weiske wrote to T.J. Mcmillen <=-

    I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a
    regular basis. No voicemail. No redial.

    I certainly did.

    Growing up, we had one desk phone in the family room and one wall
    phone in the kitchen. The kitchen phone was yellow to match the
    decor.

    Sweet setup. We only had the one wallphone in the kitchen. Not great
    when trying to talk with the GF's (at age 15-17) with the parents within earshot. A lot of muffled and whispered talk. :-)

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    We had great music though.


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:53:00
    Nick Andre wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone
    Sto
    looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.

    Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the
    station wagon.

    Hahahahaha, yep!!!



    ... If it walks out of your refrigerator, let it go.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:16:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push
    button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the
    number and then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before you typed the next one.

    My family has a cabin in the Lake tahoe area. For the longest time
    they ran an old crossbar switch that didn't do tone, then that hybrid
    you mention where tones would send dial pulses. They're a little more
    modern now, think they're running a DMS system now.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dan Clough on Sunday, May 15, 2022 08:17:00
    Dan Clough wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    We had great music though.

    I try to imagine being involved in the music industry in the 1970s in
    LA. Must have been crazy.



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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, May 15, 2022 13:54:30
    I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

    Some BBS software, like Magicka, has a setting where the sysop can supress sysop logins in the callers lists.

    I can too in Renegade ... but I'm talking about the date on the USER LIST, not the caller list.

    ... Spindle & Mutilate - See if I care..

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, May 15, 2022 13:55:11
    My first modem line was also pulse.

    ATDP

    ... How come pizza gets to your house faster than the police?

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Kurt Weiske on Sunday, May 15, 2022 15:34:00
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    We had great music though.

    I try to imagine being involved in the music industry in the
    1970s in LA. Must have been crazy.

    Indeed, crazy. Fun for some, not so much for others probably, the
    artists right on the edge but struggling. Lots of money to be made for
    the select few. The partying and related stuff was probably epic.



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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to ANDRE ROBITAILLE on Sunday, May 15, 2022 16:37:00
    All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before
    you typed the next one.

    That was a setting on the phone, tone or pulse. Tone dialing was an additional
    onthly fee from the phone company.

    Correct, and we had pulse dialing so the push button phones still sent the pulses.


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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, May 15, 2022 16:34:59
    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Dumas Walker to KURT WEISKE on Sun May 15 2022 09:12 am

    I wonder how many people here had dialed a rotary phone on a regular basis. No voicemail. No redial.

    All the time, until sometime in the mid-1980's. Then, we got push button phones, but they were still "pulse tone" so you typed in the number and
    then waited to hear the "rotary sound" of that number being dialed before you typed the next one.

    My first modem line was also pulse.



    i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just some dumb feature on phones.

    i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sunday, May 15, 2022 16:35:47
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Dumas Walker on Sun May 15 2022 01:54 pm

    I see that shit all the time ... I love looking at user lists and seeing the sysop hasn't logged on since 07-11-2021 .... I'm like dude, it's 2022 ...

    Some BBS software, like Magicka, has a setting where the sysop can supress sysop logins in the callers lists.

    I can too in Renegade ... but I'm talking about the date on the USER LIST, not the caller list.


    yeah that's the first thing i usually look for.
    i've seen sysops that havent logged in 1+ years.
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  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Dan Clough on Sunday, May 15, 2022 20:49:32
    Sweet setup. We only had the one wallphone in the kitchen. Not great
    when trying to talk with the GF's (at age 15-17) with the parents within earshot. A lot of muffled and whispered talk. :-)

    That's part of why I bought the 25' spiral cord. You could walk almost all the way across the house while you were talking on the phone, including into the first floor bedroom and shut the door.


    - Andre
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Andre Robitaille on Sunday, May 15, 2022 21:44:00
    Andre Robitaille wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Sweet setup. We only had the one wallphone in the kitchen. Not great
    when trying to talk with the GF's (at age 15-17) with the parents within earshot. A lot of muffled and whispered talk. :-)

    That's part of why I bought the 25' spiral cord. You could walk
    almost all the way across the house while you were talking on the
    phone, including into the first floor bedroom and shut the door.

    A very good idea. I honestly cannot fathom why I didn't do that too.


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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:0/0 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 16, 2022 08:04:19
    On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

    Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.

    ... Isn’t it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice"?

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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:0/0 to Juan Gonzalez on Monday, May 16, 2022 08:05:00
    On 11 May 2022, Juan Gonzalez said the following...

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Robert Wolfe to Juan Gonzalez on Sun May 08 2022 07:02 am

    Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

    OMG, Wildcat! Now there's a name that I haven't come across in decades. Does it still deliver native app / RIP graphics, like Excalibur BBS used to? _____

    Version 8.x does not without modification via wcBASIC.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Nick Andre on Monday, May 16, 2022 09:29:10
    Hello Nick,

    15 May 22 08:58, you wrote to me:

    Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the station
    wagon.

    That too. Don't forget the wall-mount phone in the kitchen.

    -- Sean

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Monday, May 16, 2022 09:52:43
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Kurt Weiske
    |03on |1115 May 22 08:24:08|03.

    Hello Kurt,

    13 May 22 07:21, you wrote to T.J. Mcmillen:

    Welcome to the 1970s.

    Let's not forget avocado green. I remember shopping at Ma Bell's Phone St looking at all the phones when I was a boy. Also, waiting to call someone long-distance after 8 PM because it was cheaper.


    that was the coolest color back then. i helped clear out an old house on a lake and it was avacado green and stainless steel. then wood paneling.

    ... I am Ingnio Montoya. You stole my tagline. Prepare to die.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, May 16, 2022 09:54:41
    |03Quoting message from |11Robert Wolfe |03to |11Jas Hud
    |03on |1116 May 22 08:04:19|03.

    On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

    Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.



    i have cancer so i'm allowed to joke.

    ... No uninteresting subjects, just uninterested people.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:129/305 to Sean Dennis on Monday, May 16, 2022 09:56:49
    |03Quoting message from |11Sean Dennis |03to |11Nick Andre
    |03on |1116 May 22 09:29:10|03.

    Hello Nick,

    15 May 22 08:58, you wrote to me:

    Everything had to have paneling. The basement, the den, the station wagon.

    That too. Don't forget the wall-mount phone in the kitchen.



    and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?

    why wouldn't the default location be the living room.

    was the kitchen the 'place to be?'

    ... This is another fine myth you've gotten me into.

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  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 16, 2022 13:05:13
    and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?
    why wouldn't the default location be the living room.
    was the kitchen the 'place to be?'

    Wife was home. Wife was in kitchen. Put phone in kitchen.


    - Andre
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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/17 to Jas Hud on Monday, May 16, 2022 15:43:15
    On 16 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    Quoting message from Robert Wolfe to Jas Hud
    on 16 May 22 08:04:19.

    On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

    Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.



    i have cancer so i'm allowed to joke.

    My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

    ... Some people have no idea what they're doing, and are really good at it!

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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Monday, May 16, 2022 16:32:00
    My first modem line was also pulse.


    i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just some du
    feature on phones.

    i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.

    I don't think it was really a feature. It was the standard technology that allowed you to use a push-button phone, or a modem, on a phone line meant
    for a rotary phone.

    Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra for,
    at the time, until it became the default standard.


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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Robert Wolfe on Monday, May 16, 2022 22:45:53
    To: Robert Wolfe
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Robert Wolfe to Jas Hud on Mon May 16 2022 03:43 pm

    On 09 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    man that's like having rectal cancer AND testicular cancer!

    Um, cancer jokes -- not funny. Kinda hits close to home.



    i have cancer so i'm allowed to joke.

    My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

    i thought he killed himself.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Dumas Walker on Monday, May 16, 2022 22:50:07
    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Dumas Walker to JAS HUD on Mon May 16 2022 04:32 pm

    My first modem line was also pulse.


    i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just some du
    feature on phones.

    i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.

    I don't think it was really a feature. It was the standard technology that allowed you to use a push-button phone, or a modem, on a phone line meant for a rotary phone.

    Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra for, at the time, until it became the default standard.


    i never heard from anybody that you had to pay more for tons.

    and the pulse dialing i thought was just some weird feature when i was a kid. i pushed the button on my phone to do pulse dialing.

    i'm pretty sure we've had tone dialing for 50-60 years or more.

    those charges are just part of the bullshit phone companies would pull on people. they really committed so many sins back in the day.
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 10:17:36
    Hi, Dumas Walker & JAS HUD.

    i never understood what pulse dialing was about. i thought it was just >
    some du > feature on phones.

    i was never fascinated by phone technology, though.

    I don't think it was really a feature. It was the standard technology
    that allowed you to use a push-button phone, or a modem, on a phone line
    meant for a rotary phone.

    Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra
    for, at the time, until it became the default standard.


    i never heard from anybody that you had to pay more for tons.

    and the pulse dialing i thought was just some weird feature when i was a kid. i pushed the button on my phone to do pulse dialing.

    i'm pretty sure we've had tone dialing for 50-60 years or more.

    those charges are just part of the bullshit phone companies would pull on people. they really committed so many sins back in the day.
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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to JAS HUD on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 16:07:00
    i never heard from anybody that you had to pay more for tons.

    Yes, you did. That was something that may have become less common once
    AT&T was not the only option.

    i'm pretty sure we've had tone dialing for 50-60 years or more.

    I would say at least 50, but pulse dialing was the standard because most
    people still had rotary phones in the 1970's, and rotary phones could not
    do touch tone dialing.

    Now, if you had a contraption that would make the touch tone sounds (my
    uncle had one), you could use a rotary phone by punching the number into
    the contraption, picking up the receiver, putting the contraptions speaker
    next to the receiver mic, and then hit the button that told the contraption
    to send the touch tones. So long, that is, as your line supported touch
    tone dialing.


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  • From Sam Penwright@1:123/120 to Andre Robitaille on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 19:48:58
    and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?
    why wouldn't the default location be the living room.
    was the kitchen the 'place to be?'

    Wife was home. Wife was in kitchen. Put phone in kitchen.

    - Andre
    I remember my Grand mother had one of those crank Phones int the
    Kitchen and you had to share the line, OOp did I give my age away
    Sam


    Bye for now...
    Sam

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 07:11:00
    Jas Hud wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    and why was the phone default install in the kitchen?

    Because housewives spent most of their time there.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 15:26:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-

    Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra for, at the time, until it became the default standard.

    Just like they'd charge for *not* printing your telephone number in
    the listings.



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  • From Andre Robitaille@1:154/70 to Kurt Weiske on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 09:08:55
    Just like they'd charge for *not* printing your telephone number in
    the listings.

    I forgot about that. Everyone hated people with unlisted phone numbers.


    - Andre
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 07:10:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-


    Now, if you had a contraption that would make the touch tone sounds (my uncle had one), you could use a rotary phone by punching the number
    into the contraption, picking up the receiver, putting the contraptions speaker next to the receiver mic, and then hit the button that told the contraption to send the touch tones. So long, that is, as your line supported touch tone dialing.

    Change the crystal on the contraption, and suddenly your little
    dialer box is sending 2600hz tones... :)



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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 15:47:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to JAS HUD <=-

    Touch-tone dialing was a "feature" that the phone company charged extra for, at the time, until it became the default standard.

    Just like they'd charge for *not* printing your telephone number in
    the listings.

    Exactly! Now, I think they charge you to have it printed in the phone book
    if your service does not come through the default local provider.


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 19:49:47
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to Dumas Walker on Sun May 15 2022 16:34:59


    i never understood what pulse dialing was about.
    i thought it was just some dumb feature on phones.

    pulse dialing was making and breaking the connection... the switch gear in the central office would note the circuit coming alive and dying and count the pulses of each cycle to gather the number... do you
    remember seeing in the movies seeing folks hitting the switch hook a bunch of times and then talking to the operator? the switch hook is where you placed the hand piece when you hung up the phone... that
    hitting of the switch hook was doing the same thing as dialing 0... you'd hit it 10 times and then wait for the operator to come on... it still works today, too... at least in areas that still offer pulse
    dialing and have operators...


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 19:54:23
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Dumas Walker to JAS HUD on Tue May 17 2022 16:07:00


    Now, if you had a contraption that would make the touch tone sounds (my uncle had one), you could use a rotary phone by punching the number into the contraption, picking up the receiver, putting the contraptions speaker next to the receiver mic, and then hit the button that told the contraption
    to send the touch tones. So long, that is, as your line supported touch tone dialing.

    Radio Shack sold one... it was the size of a pager and fit neatly in your pocket... some of them could even store several numbers to make it easier to dial them... they worked just as you said... enter the
    number, place the piece near the handset mic, and hit the button... beep beep boop boop ring ring! hehehe...


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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/17 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 19:44:39
    On 16 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

    i thought he killed himself.

    Why would he have done a stupid thing like that? No, unfortunately he lost a 24-year-long battle with non-Hogkins' Lymphoma.

    ... Marriage is one of the chief causes of divorce

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  • From Joe Phigan@1:124/5016 to mark lewis on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 21:37:43
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: mark lewis to Dumas Walker on Wed May 18 2022 19:54:23

    Radio Shack sold one... it was the size of a pager and fit neatly in your pocket... some of them could even store several numbers to make it easier to

    And if you opened it up and added a 6.49mhz crystal in place of the existing one (with a switch, to retain functionality), you could use the * key to make a nickle tone on a payphone.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Robert Wolfe on Wednesday, May 18, 2022 23:11:45
    To: Robert Wolfe
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Robert Wolfe to Jas Hud on Wed May 18 2022 07:44 pm

    On 16 May 2022, Jas Hud said the following...

    My late husband died from it, so that is why I said that.

    i thought he killed himself.

    Why would he have done a stupid thing like that? No, unfortunately he lost a 24-year-long battle with non-Hogkins' Lymphoma.


    i thought you said he did that. i usually have a good memory when it's something i read. maybe it was just an attempt years ago.

    anyways, didnt ask about your husband. it's too bad he died but i have some dead people in my life too. my mom died on her birthday and my friend blew his brains out and left behind 5 kids. i know 3 people that killed themselves in the past 2 years.

    don't take shit so personally. we all have shit in our lives.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dumas Walker on Thursday, May 19, 2022 07:14:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    Exactly! Now, I think they charge you to have it printed in the phone book if your service does not come through the default local provider.

    Back when I was in telecom, one of the trade mags had an April Fool's
    issue. One of the news articles was a panicked story about the phone
    companies running out of imaginary 555- numbers for Hollywood.

    The spokesperson said they were working on FXing (ed note:
    transporting foreign telephone numbers) to allow for new imaginary
    numbers to be created. They were waiting on research on how to bill
    for this imaginary service, but since they had experience billing for
    not printing phone numbers they had faith they could come up with a
    fair price.




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Kurt Weiske on Thursday, May 19, 2022 07:35:00
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Change the crystal on the contraption, and suddenly your little
    dialer box is sending 2600hz tones... :)

    Oh, my memory is fading - a redbox made coin tones with the crystal
    change, not 2600hz disco tones.



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  • From Marc Lewis@1:396/45 to Kurt Weiske on Saturday, May 21, 2022 09:14:16
    Hello Kurt.

    <On 18May2022 07:10 Kurt Weiske (1:218/700) wrote a message to Dumas Walker regarding Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic >

    Now, if you had a contraption that would make the touch tone sounds (my uncle had one), you could use a rotary phone by punching the number
    into the contraption, picking up the receiver, putting the contraptions speaker next to the receiver mic, and then hit the button that told the contraption to send the touch tones. So long, that is, as your line supported touch tone dialing.

    Change the crystal on the contraption, and suddenly your little
    dialer box is sending 2600hz tones... :)

    Umm... I seem to remember a gizmo called a RedBox or something like that, that was used to trick pay phones by imitating the sound of various coin denominations being inserted. But that's been decades ago and I might be thinking of something else, but it was illegal as all get-out.

    Best regards,
    Marc

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    * Origin: Sursum Corda! BBS-Huntsville,AL-bbs.sursum-corda.com (1:396/45)
  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Saturday, May 21, 2022 10:02:00
    Back when I was in telecom, one of the trade mags had an April Fool's
    issue. One of the news articles was a panicked story about the phone companies running out of imaginary 555- numbers for Hollywood.

    LOL, that is pretty good. I wonder how many people fell for it.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Tagline dispenser temporarily out of order.
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
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  • From Dallas Vinson@1:123/256 to Marc Lewis on Sunday, May 22, 2022 19:14:12
    Think we can maybe get a new subject lineas this thread has gone WAY off ropic.
    ---

    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet: furmenservices.net:23322

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/09/29 (Windows/64)
    * Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322) (1:123/256)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dallas Vinson on Sunday, May 22, 2022 22:25:55
    Hello Dallas,

    22 May 22 19:14, you wrote to Marc Lewis:

    Think we can maybe get a new subject lineas this thread has gone WAY
    off ropic.
    -+-

    Legends of Yesteryear (FIDO 1:123/256) - telnet:
    furmenservices.net:23322

    -+- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/09/29 (Windows/64)
    + Origin: Legends of Yesteryear (furmenservices.net:23322)
    (1:123/256)

    Any reason you have two tearlines in your messages?

    -- Sean

    ... Chemists have solutions!
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Jas Hud on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 13:19:47
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat May 14 2022 05:08 pm

    converting to telegard!

    What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

    C:\TG>telegard

    Please set the date & time, it is required for operation.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Breaking Bad quote #3:
    Please tell me: how much is enough? How big does this pile have to be? - Skyler Norco, CA WX: 79.2°F, 50.0% humidity, 9 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Rob Swindell on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 17:57:11
    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Tue May 24 2022 01:19 pm

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat May 14 2022 05:08 pm

    converting to telegard!

    What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

    C:\TG>telegard

    Please set the date & time, it is required for operation.


    dunno, i'll have to take a look at it later.
    looks like the last time i played with telegard was 2003

    so maybe i was running it on windows xp back then.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Jay Harris@1:229/664.2 to Rob Swindell on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 21:50:49
    *** Quoting Rob Swindell from a message to Jas Hud ***

    What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

    C:\TG>telegard

    Please set the date & time, it is required for operation. --

    I have it running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2 (32bit), though not sure if 32bit counts as "modern".

    https://ibb.co/R63Hysf


    Jay

    ... I shot an arrow into the air, and it stuck

    --- Telegard v3.09.g2-sp4/mL
    * Origin: Northern Realms/TG ∞ tg.nrbbs.net ∞ Binbrook, ON (1:229/664.2)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Jay Harris on Tuesday, May 24, 2022 21:55:21
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jay Harris to Rob Swindell on Tue May 24 2022 09:50 pm

    *** Quoting Rob Swindell from a message to Jas Hud ***

    What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

    C:\TG>telegard

    Please set the date & time, it is required for operation. --

    I have it running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2 (32bit), though not sure if 32bit counts as "modern".

    https://ibb.co/R63Hysf

    Thank you. I was trying v2.7; I'll give v3.09 a try now.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #43:
    I feel my role in the band is ... kind of like lukewarm water.
    Norco, CA WX: 61.2°F, 82.0% humidity, 3 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Rob Swindell on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 01:18:56
    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Tue May 24 2022 01:19 pm

    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat May 14 2022 05:08 pm

    converting to telegard!

    What version of telegard doesn't have this problem on modern Windows systems:

    C:\TG>telegard

    Please set the date & time, it is required for operation.

    oh, you dont just run telegard with that command line.

    here it is running on windows 10 32bit

    https://i.imgur.com/c3VMeIb.png

    here is what i get with just telegard with no node number

    https://i.imgur.com/oQPo6Kp.png

    what version are you running?
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Rob Swindell on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 01:20:02
    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to Jay Harris on Tue May 24 2022 09:55 pm


    https://ibb.co/R63Hysf

    Thank you. I was trying v2.7; I'll give v3.09 a try now.


    OH.. that's an oooold version.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jay Harris on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 06:04:37
    I have it running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2 (32bit), though not sure if 32bit counts as "modern".

    Don't bother replying to him ... Unless it's synchronet he'll find a way to make it look like stuff doesn't work.

    ... Consult with a real expert - Call your mother.

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 06:05:50
    Thank you. I was trying v2.7; I'll give v3.09 a try now.


    OH.. that's an oooold version.

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade, why not an OLD ver of Telegard as well. I've never seen someone who want to stay so out of the loop of everything else in my life and then complain it doesn't work.

    ... I may not be smart, but I can lift heavy things.

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 10:17:34
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 06:05 am


    Thank you. I was trying v2.7; I'll give v3.09 a try now.


    OH.. that's an oooold version.

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

    I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.

    , why not an OLD ver of Telegard as well.

    I'm just testing my virtual modem/UART/FOSSIL driver and would like to have it be compatible with "OLD" stuff. Why not?

    I've never seen someone who want to stay so out of the loop of
    everything else in my life and then complain it doesn't work.

    Where exactly was I complaining?
    --
    digital man (rob)

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #31:
    Viv Savage: Quite exciting, this computer magic!
    Norco, CA WX: 73.1°F, 62.0% humidity, 5 mph ESE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 13:41:52
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jay Harris on Wed May 25 2022 06:04 am


    I have it running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2 (32bit), though not sure if 32bit counts as "modern".

    Don't bother replying to him ... Unless it's synchronet he'll find a way to make it look like stuff doesn't work.



    well telegard is old software so some issues are to be expected.
    i know a sysop who's been running it for over 30 years with little issues.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 13:58:24
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 06:05 am


    Thank you. I was trying v2.7; I'll give v3.09 a try now.


    OH.. that's an oooold version.

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade, why not an OLD ver of Telegard as well. I've never seen someone who want to stay so out of the loop of everything else in my life and then complain it doesn't work.



    well it's pretty hard to keep up with everything when we dont even have a bbsnews site anymore.

    regarding that old version of rg, that's what i have on the renegadebbs.info site, and that's what people are going to find if they search for renegade bbs probably. my unoffical version is also very user friendly and comes with doorgames setup.

    y2k got released, you released your source copy, rick parrish worked on both a bit, other people made forks.

    Once you gave it up you, you left for a while and came back. You then said you were the official site again making the official renegade. I don't think you can do that.

    You should just say it's YOUR copy of renegade. Just let people run what they want and leave behind the stress of being the official renegade developer. it's just not worth it.

    Renegade BBS has had a long ridiculous history of developers. I'm not sure if they tried pushing through and failing because they wanted the recognition or what.

    That's good that you still have the drive to update it and make changes.
    If you are in it for the recognition you would do just as well making what you call your own version of renegade instead of stressing it's the official version.

    The reason I have renegadebbs.info up is There was a need for a stable source of renegade files and information. I grabbed the telegard.net domain for the same reason.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Rob Swindell on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 14:00:32
    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to T.J. Mcmillen on Wed May 25 2022 10:17 am

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

    I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.



    he's talking about that video you made where you were demonstrating using various softwares with the virtual dos modem.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 12:56:57
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to Rob Swindell on Wed May 25 2022 02:00 pm

    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to T.J. Mcmillen on Wed May 25 2022 10:17 am

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

    I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.



    he's talking about that video you made where you were demonstrating using various softwares with the virtual dos modem.

    I am aware of that.
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Sling Blade quote #2:
    Karl (re: killing Doyle): I hit him two good whacks in the head with it.
    Norco, CA WX: 77.8°F, 55.0% humidity, 15 mph SW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Dumas Walker@1:2320/105 to ROB SWINDELL on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 17:49:00
    , why not an OLD ver of Telegard as well.

    I'm just testing my virtual modem/UART/FOSSIL driver and would like to have it
    e compatible with "OLD" stuff. Why not?

    Makes sense to me. I saw your first video about it. It sounds very interesting.


    * SLMR 2.1a * Overdrawn? No way! I still have checks left!
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: capitolcityonline.net * Telnet/SSH:2022/HTTP (1:2320/105)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 18:12:31
    Once you gave it up you, you left for a while and came back. You then sai you were the official site again making the official renegade. I don't th you can do that.

    You should just say it's YOUR copy of renegade. Just let people run what want and leave behind the stress of being the official renegade developer.

    That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard come out of your mouth. Thats like saying Mystic isn't made by James Coyle because he put the source out and then left for awhile, and then started up again.

    There is no stress for being an RG delevoper. I have just contiunued the path I made since 2003. No one stepped up to do anything. And the old site saying Renegade isn't in development is the dumbest thing I ever saw. I've released 3 updates in 3 years and we are STILL working on it. So, I have no idea why you'd advertise that. You can't say it's been there, because you updated
    the site within the last few months after I removed all the old 1.19a source code from Github. I just don't get you sometimes.

    That's good that you still have the drive to update it and make changes.
    If you are in it for the recognition you would do just as well making what call your own version of renegade instead of stressing it's the official version.

    I happen to like RG. And yes, it is the official version as I was passed the code from Patrick and continued from it. There is nothing released inbetween what I've done since 2003, so yes, it is the official version. Maybe for all 10 boards that run Renegade, maybe 3 update and stay updated, but it's still inline for the official title.

    The reason I have renegadebbs.info up is There was a need for a stable sou of renegade files and information. I grabbed the telegard.net domain for

    www.rgbbs.info has everything you need for RG. From 11-26.3 (2003) up until v1.30 of this month. So,I don't know why you need to try and promote old versions and have the latest as a footnote on the bottom as a link to RG's site.

    I dunno, like I said, sometimes I just don't get you.

    ... CMOS: Commonly Misunderstood Option Switches

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 16:13:47
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jay Harris on Wed May 25 2022 06:04 am


    I have it running on Windows 10 Pro 21H2 (32bit), though not sure if 32bit counts as "modern".

    Don't bother replying to him ... Unless it's synchronet he'll find a way to make it look like stuff doesn't work.

    What are you even talking about?
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #28:
    Rob Swindell's first computer was a Commodore VIC-20 (circa 1981)
    Norco, CA WX: 78.8°F, 52.0% humidity, 8 mph SSW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Rob Swindell on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 23:30:52
    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 12:56 pm

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

    I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.



    he's talking about that video you made where you were demonstrating using various softwares with the virtual dos modem.

    I am aware of that.

    but you weren't running his last release of renegade, you were running the one i put together for the renegadebbs.info site. that's what i'm getting at.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Wednesday, May 25, 2022 23:56:00
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 06:12 pm


    You should just say it's YOUR copy of renegade. Just let people run what want and leave behind the stress of being the official renegade developer.

    That's the dumbest thing I think I ever heard come out of your mouth.

    Thats
    like saying Mystic isn't made by James Coyle because he put the source out and then left for awhile, and then started up again.

    There is no stress for being an RG delevoper. I have just contiunued the
    well you arent the original author of renegade;it's not your baby. you are one of a long line of contributers.

    There is no stress for being an RG delevoper. I have just contiunued the path I made since 2003. No one stepped up to do anything. And the old site saying Renegade isn't in development is the dumbest thing I ever saw. I've released

    Well that's not the 'old site'; that IS the Renegade site.
    Renegadebbs.info has been around for 10 years and that's the site that renegadebbs.net directs to.

    It's the site that comes up when you search for renegade.
    It's on a rented server and it's up all the time and has been around a long time.

    you were gone for a while and then came back. i'm not sure how long you were gone but it seemed like quite a stretch.

    i have links to github and your releases.
    I think i'm pretty honest about the current state of renegade.

    you'd advertise that. You can't say it's been there, because you updated the site within the last few months after I removed all the old 1.19a source code from Github. I just don't get you sometimes.

    i didnt even know you took it off of github? why did you do that?
    i updated the rg site when i was playing around with the telgard site.
    there's no ulterior motive.

    I happen to like RG. And yes, it is the official version as I was passed the code from Patrick and continued from it. There is nothing released inbetween what I've done since 2003, so yes, it is the official version. Maybe for all 10 boards that run Renegade, maybe 3 update and stay updated, but it's still inline for the official title.


    I used to like renegade. that was until people took it and fucked with it and SHIT ON IT. Now i don't like it at all. Jesse and I have that site up incase people need files and want help. I think i've done a pretty good job and you certainly have dropped the fucking ball in that department.

    You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a domain up long, long ago.

    Instead you were doing this visit my bbs and download it shit. that's didnt cut it. i believe before then you had bbsfiles's doug doing stuff for you. that was poor judgement too. now you will never have renegadebbs.net

    I'm spending my money on hosting this stuff and getting nothing in return.
    I link to your site. I have links to github. There's nothing wrong with what i'm doing.

    But again, renegade isnt your baby. And cott lang giving out the code out was a big mistake because look at what happened with renegade all those years.
    There's very little interest in our hobby so you shouldn't expect people to take the source code and run with it.


    www.rgbbs.info has everything you need for RG. From 11-26.3 (2003) up until v1.30 of this month. So,I don't know why you need to try and promote old versions and have the latest as a footnote on the bottom as a link to RG's site.

    it's a file archive. renegade is more than just about your contributions.
    I did the same with all my bbs related websites. Sometimes people want to see the old version and try them out. You can read the documentation and find
    things the author added that you didnt know about sometimes. On my bbses i still host all those old renegade mods that don't work anymore because you guys borked the datafiles and menu files. should i just delete all that?

    I dunno, like I said, sometimes I just don't get you.

    if you have any questions just ask. i just don't like things getting lost. There's some things I'm just great at doing. I am good at sticking around and i'm good at being organized and i try to give people what they want. I've outlasted many people that tried to copy what i did in the bbs community. I never wanted to even do this shit. i always just wanted to be a user.

    i'm not mad at you and i don't think you're an asshole. i just think you need to relax a bit. i'm not sure if this is about ego or your love of the software. I loved renegade too until it got taken over and changed. then i went to iniquity and the same shit happened.

    If i were you i'd really make renegade your own and change it a lot more if you are able. another guy made renegade/x and maybe that's something you need to do to give your version more exposure and to really own it as your own.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Jas Hud on Thursday, May 26, 2022 08:50:54
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Jas Hud to Rob Swindell on Wed May 25 2022 11:30 pm

    To: Rob Swindell
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Rob Swindell to Jas Hud on Wed May 25 2022 12:56 pm

    Well, he's running an OLD ver of Renegade

    I'm not running Renegade. I was testing purposely old 16-bit DOS comm software and that BBS hack/program just happened to be one.



    he's talking about that video you made where you were demonstrating using various softwares with the virtual dos modem.

    I am aware of that.

    but you weren't running his last release of renegade, you were running the one i put together for the renegadebbs.info site. that's what i'm getting at.

    Yes, I'm aware of that too. And I was also aware of that when I made the video. --
    digital man (rob)

    Rush quote #46:
    One day I feel I'm on top of the world, and the next it's falling in on me Norco, CA WX: 60.7°F, 92.0% humidity, 2 mph SE wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Thursday, May 26, 2022 14:12:13
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: MRO to T.J. Mcmillen on Wed May 25 2022 11:56 pm


    Thats
    like saying Mystic isn't made by James Coyle because he put the source out and then left for awhile, and then started up again.

    another thing you did which reminds me of g00r00 is you took that source off github and then say to get the compiled version from your site.

    that is absolutely NOT what github is about. AND you're using github to host your website. that's totally wrong.

    just leave it out there. only the strong survive. you don't have to keep working hard to establish yourself as the one and only renegade developer. there's some losers on github who forked it and made stupid changes.
    that lee woodridge guy is making moderate changes but atleast he's doing something with it. OH... is that your ghost coder?


    honestly i think working on the 32bit version of renegade that rick ported would be better.

    and again, only the strong survived. when i had those 3+ dickheads copying my sites and using the same scripts and making it like it was all their code i
    beat them by being the man. they couldnt get the people that i got and they couldnt put in the hard work i put in.
    --- SBBSecho 3.15-Linux
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Thursday, May 26, 2022 14:34:53
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: MRO to T.J. Mcmillen on Thu May 26 2022 02:12 pm


    another thing you did which reminds me of g00r00 is you took that source off github and then say to get the compiled version from your site.

    that is absolutely NOT what github is about. AND you're using github to host your website. that's totally wrong.

    just leave it out there. only the strong survive. you don't have to keep working hard to establish yourself as the one and only renegade developer. there's some losers on github who forked it and made stupid changes.


    so now i look on the wiki and you have been trying to rewrite history here.

    you are being very childish.

    you removed the links to rick parrish's 119 32bit port and the y2k port.
    what gives you the right to do that? very childish behavior.

    you are no better than patrick spence. you are not a programmer. you get someone else to do that work (lee palmer, lee woodridge) and act like it's yours. you need to really examine your behavior. really tacky behavior.

    I'm taking your links off the official renegade bbs site.
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:52:07
    You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a doma up long, long ago.

    I did ... Chris Hoppman bought renegadebbs.net back in 2004, then when he went nuts gave it to bbsfiles guy to run. Then when I couldn't get it back, I bought renegadebbs.info and asked bbsfiles guy to redirect to renegadebbs.info.

    Then I gave it to Lux when I was tired of running it, and somehow you come up with it.

    Maybe you should learn history before you spout off. Just sayin'.

    ... If users can't read the manual, give them the source code

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sunday, May 29, 2022 17:10:55
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Sun May 29 2022 12:52 pm

    You should have had a website up long long ago. you should have had a doma up long, long ago.

    I did ... Chris Hoppman bought renegadebbs.net back in 2004, then when he went nuts gave it to bbsfiles guy to run. Then when I couldn't get it back, I bought renegadebbs.info and asked bbsfiles guy to redirect to renegadebbs.info.

    Then I gave it to Lux when I was tired of running it, and somehow you

    come
    up with it.

    Maybe you should learn history before you spout off. Just sayin'.

    oh i thought lux registered it when you let it expire.
    You should have him give it back to you.
    I forgot that you ran it and i now see emails from us talking in 2010 about it.

    Jesse and I just wanted to have a home for renegade. If people did a web search and came up empty that did nobody any good.

    Lux has full control of the renegade site, so he can give you the domain, redirect it to you or modify the site. Right now he's real busy with school
    and work. He's had a lot of life problems and changes so we really did not accomplish what we intended to do with renegade and I've done the site and those unofficial packs where doorgames and other things are setup. People have said they like them.

    Regardless, what you mentioned are all bad decisions. You should have kept the domain and kept something up for renegade.
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sunday, May 29, 2022 23:03:05
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: MRO to T.J. Mcmillen on Sun May 29 2022 05:10 pm


    oh i thought lux registered it when you let it expire.
    You should have him give it back to you.
    I forgot that you ran it and i now see emails from us talking in 2010 about it.


    So we (lux and i) were talking today and i've been drinking and now i remembered that I had the domain and i gave it to lux. so maybe you let it expire and i just registered it.

    or i registered it and directed it to you? dunno. reading email chains and it's mostly talking about my bbsbanner site.
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Sunday, May 29, 2022 22:03:50
    Lux has full control of the renegade site, so he can give you the domain, redirect it to you or modify the site. Right now he's real busy with scho

    Doesn't really matter ... if they want it, they'll find it.

    have said they like them.

    That's cool ... you can do a 1.30 one as well if you like.

    Regardless, what you mentioned are all bad decisions. You should have kept domain and kept something up for renegade.

    Yeah I know ... but I was just tired of paying for it. <G> Child support
    was killing me back then. Every couple dollars counted.

    ... We want peaceful relations, or we'll blow up your planet.

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
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  • From Robert Wolfe@1:116/18 to Juan Gonzalez on Friday, July 22, 2022 20:57:22
    Re: Re: Synchronet vs. Mystic
    By: Robert Wolfe to Juan Gonzalez on Sun May 08 2022 07:02 am

    Actually, I run both Mystic and Wildcat! Interactive Net Server 8.0 :)

    OMG, Wildcat! Now there's a name that I haven't come across in decades. Do
    it still deliver native app / RIP graphics, like Excalibur BBS used to? _____
    -=: Kaelon :=-
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    Only if you have custom WCXs in place it will.

    ... Copyright (C) @YEAR@, The Myra I Fox School of Tagline Research.
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